Inovelli Red Series Dimmer (LZW31-SN) Z-Wave Plus Review
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2019
- Review and setup of the Inovelli Red Series LZW31-SN Z-Wave Smart Dimmer.The video discusses neutral and non-neutral installations, three-way installations with dumb (toggle) switches, smart add-on (aux) switches, and three-way with dual Inovelli dimmers.
The video focuses on Hubitat Elevation and SmartThings, however it is compatible with Vera Secure, Vera Edge, Wink Hub 2 and other Z-Wave capable hubs.
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== Notes ==
Inovelli Switches in Hubitat : Custom Device Handler required. Child Device Handler required.
Inovelli Switches in SmartThings : Custom Device Handler required. Child Device Handler required. At the time I made this video you can only use the Classic SmartThings app.
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== Useful Websites ==
GitHub Inovelli SmartThings : bit.ly/2LfUubo
GitHub Inovelli Hubitat : bit.ly/2ZHX8uG
Inovelli Wiring Guide - LZW31 Dimmer : bit.ly/33dCYdx
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Thanks for the great review friend!
So much information on one video! I'm going to keep coming back to this as I build my smart home in the coming month 🙏🏻👍🏻
Thanks for the feedback! I had a lot of fun making this video. Cheers
Just bought a pair of the Red Series Dimmers from Inovelli's website, open box, FOR LESS THAN $30 EACH!!!! They arrived in pristine condition.
Very nice review, thanks!
great review as always!
How are firmware updates done? I believe they are usually done in the HA hub but I do not see that in hubitat..
Appreciate the review.. looks very cool. On the notifications.. can you cycle multiple notifications? for example on my homeseer the top two LEDs will blink red if the front door is unlocked The bottom two will blink red if the back door is unlocked and the middle one will blink red if the garage door is left open after a certain time. It would appear that the inovelli is just one pulsing or Knight Rider type effect .. but is it possible to cycle notifications?
Hey mate, thanks for your videos.
I've tried to message you privately but I have no clue where to start with that. at the 8:01 minute mark installing the bypass behind the switch didn't work for me. I've asked in the Inovelli forum and confirmed the information isn't correct. My light wouldn't turn off and my voltage tester was spazing out around my whole switch. As Inovelli and Aeotec diagrams say ... its got to be installed at one of the lights behind the housing for the switch to work.
Hi hey I have one of this switch my question is how can I change the toggle switch to turn on when hit up because is coming off when hit up right now I think I did by mistake, do you have a clue
The Aeotec nypass can be connected directly to the Inovelli switch in a non-neutral configuration? That's what I was hoping to be able to do. But the Inovelli manual shows the installation of the Aeotec bypass at the light itself.
@@DIYSmartHomeGuy1 Great video! Was really helpful for someone who is new to this. I have low W LEDs, When I try and install the bypass on the switch side the light always stays on and the switch doesn't work. Do you know what I am doing wrong?
Why cant i find this switch?Is there a better one out?
Please do a video about the new Inovelli Fan & Light switch. I'm very curious about it.
@@DIYSmartHomeGuy1 No problem! I totally understand. 😊 After doing more research I pulled the plug. Have one on its way.
So with the non natural set up u just need a 60 watt bulb?
I'm hoping to use one of these in a room with 3 switches... not the typical 3-way. I have a neutral wire installation and plan to leave the other 2 as dumb switches. Will this work? 1 smart switch and 2 dumbs?
@@DIYSmartHomeGuy1 thanks very much! I've done a lot of diy myself and started going through your videos wishing I'd found your channel sooner! Saved a few headaches
Doors it work with Google assistant?
i have an old house with old wiring my understanding i can use this switch without a neutral and its an easy diy change a switch project
Yeah I have a house from the 40s I just installed this switch Works amazing
Hi DIY Guy John, I have a question for you. I used your videos as a great tutorial to set up my kitchen ceiling recessed lights with 4 Sylvania Lightify Color LED’s 5-6inch, along with this Inovelli Red Series Dimmer. I’ve been having problems with dimming and flickering, is it a low-load problem? Should I add the additional load resistor that you recommended in the links? The Sylvania lights are connected through the OSRAM Lightify Gateway and then to my Samsung SmartThings hub, so any other setup suggestions would be great! Love your videos please keep it up! Thanks.
Also I’m using a standard neutral-wire single way setup!
DIY Smart Home Guy Hi, thank you so much for your response! At the moment I’m pressing the down button on the Red Series Dimmer which is turning the Switch off, cutting power to the lights. Also, when holding the down button down it triggers the built-in dimming for the switch, which is what causes the flickering. I thought about re-programming the switch so that the down button press and the down button hold would not physically shut power off but instead dim the lights to 0% and something like 30%, but I thought it was kind of frustrating that I have to pick what percentage (and only 1 option for that) I could achieve with the down button hold option. That’s why I was leaning towards trying to get away with the manual dimming (plus it’s cool to watch the led on the dimmer go down as well). Do you have any suggestions? Thanks again for your input
DIY Smart Home Guy
Got it to work, thanks so much for the help! Looking forward to future content
I’m confused about what makes this special with 3 way switches? Can j use it with 4 way?
In addition to the features listed in DIY Smart Home Guy's response, it also has an insane LED bar on the right side that can be programmed to do somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,000,000 different, very cool, things...in any color you like!
I tried to get the switch, when tapped 2 times, to close my garage using the go control controller. Couldn’t get it to work. Thanks
Did something change? On the product it says it requires a neutral wire.
If you check again there's different options such as the zigbee one doesn't need a neutral wire. The Z wave does.
You cannot install the bypass at the switch. Those who have tried ultimately determine that it will not work. Additionally, even in some cases with a neutral, the bypass is required, depending on the bulbs.
@@DIYSmartHomeGuy1 I'm not sure either. I haven't tried it, but there are a number of posts in the Inovelli forums from those who tried and we unsucessful.
Hi, thanks for the video. Which child device handler should I install. I have the ABC button child handler. Is the another one. thanks
I fond the child device handler. On the Inovelli website it says to install it after the switch is installed. Should I do it then, or before. Thanks
No problem, thanks. I got it working. Only thing, I don’t know how to set the notifications. I know how to color, brightness, etc, but not the trigger turn them on. Thanks
What is a child device handler?
Would this switch work in the uk
Unfortunately not.
Hey John, I went out and bought some of these switches based on your glowing review. After getting them, I was disappointed to find out there is a painful delay from clicking the switch until a linked light actually turns on. After doing some investigation I found a very long thread on inovell’s website complaining about the problem. Apparently, they picked a very long value for the double click timeout and made no option to programmatically change this delay value. I need my lights to go on when the switches are clicked and not have people think the lights are broken because there a 2 second delay before anything happens. This just caused them to start clicking like crazy. I appreciate what you are doing on RUclips but would have appreciated a more honest review as these switches are unusable for me.
Hey John, I'm using the hubitat. I suppose it could be an issue with the hub rather than the switch since hooking up a light to the switch’s load has a reasonable speed as opposed to the network linked light, but it seems to be a general issue based on the thread I mentioned: bit.ly/397m57X . It is pretty strange because when I control the light directly from the hubitat web interface it is lightning fast.
Check to make sure that you are using the right driver. You have to install the one from Github and not use the default one in Hubitat. Be sure to scroll ALL the way down in the driver list to get to it.
Viola?! :blank stare:
These Red Series devices are awesome, but who can get their hands on the dimmers? Everyone's out of 'em.
I know this is not original but "you know nothing John Snow"
You should check shelly dimmers (shelly.cloud), you’d be impressed
So I think i have figured out what Inovelli is doing to get a non neutral. So in a circuit, all loads need a path to ground for electrons to flow.. a load can be anything you need to power, a light bulb a small computer, a heater. there must be a path to ground for this to happen.
When you are dealing with a normal switch all you are doing is making a break in the line side or the neutral side to break that circuit to ground. Simple and self explanatory that's why its called a switch. You don't need to have power at the switch because you the human, powers it by physically moving the switch up or down. This is why some switch's don't have a neutral in them (newer code says you have to now) because it does not need it!
So with a smart switches with neutral the human is not doing the physical work the relay inside the switch is doing the work and the relay needs some smarts so it can be controlled wirelessly and toggle the relay inside it. Even when you press up or down you are not powering the relay you are just pressing a button that the switch converts to toggle the relay if required. So because of this the small brain inside the switch needs to have power running through it all the time so that even when the switch is off it can receive your commands and act on them. With out a neutral this switch cannot make a path to ground so that it is always on.
Smart Switches with non Neutral (kind of) so there is no such thing as a circuit with a non neutral, every circuit needs to have a return path. Most people don't realize If the switch was on the brains of the switch could steal power from the power running through the switch with caveats*, but if the switch is off no electricity is flowing through the switch meaning the switch brain cannot be powered so stealing power is kind of a problem when the switch is off. So how do we fix this? A neat trick or just some more smarts added to the switch. What Inovelli is doing from what I understand is using the grounding wire as a neutral only when the switch is off. So when you turn the switch off, Inovelli uses the ground screw to give itself a return path. Most people would say "You can't use ground as a neutral, that's against code!!" It seems that small amounts of load are allowed on a ground and the circuit can "Leak power to ground" but once the switch is on a larger load would be on the line and would would break that code. So to fix this Inovelli just turns off its connection to ground as a neutral when the device is powered on and uses it just as a ground. Where does the computer inside the switch get power from then? Electricity flowing through the switch! The switch steals/vampire taps the power going to the light/load. Problem is now the light/load determines the amount of power being drawn through the switch. So what happens now if you have a 8 watt light bulb and the smart switch takes 25 watts (Which Inovelli switch does) well you don't have enough power to power the smarts of the switch. So you must install on the load a bypass capacitor to force the light to draw more power then it actually needs and any extra power left over will just bypass the light and go through the capacitor to ground. This way you have enough power to run the switch and the light. now if you had a 100 watt light bulb at the other end you would think "I don't need a bypass capacitor because the light is drawing 100 watts so the smarts in the switch will have enough"!. Problem is the switch is a vampire remember, it steals that power it needs to run from the bulbs request for power. The light says i need 100 watts and gets it but the switch stole 25 watts of it and depending on your lights it could possibly flicker or just look dimmer.
So I believe this is how they are getting around the not having a neutral as ground and neutral are really the same but in electrical code its a no no to use ground in a replacement for a neutral (even though I do it in two place in my house where i have no neutral)
Really ingenious to be honest and allowing it to use ground but then flipping to line when on. Bravo guys!!
In case somebody reads this and believes it's true... The switch does not draw 25W! The "load bypass" is just a small electrical load that increases the total load current. The current must be at least 0.2 A, based on the 25W load requirement. The switch probably uses only up to 1 W of power for itself.
Actually, It does not use the ground as a neutral at all, it uses the load (light bulb) as the path the entire time. When the switch is off, it is still sending power through the bulb, just not enough power to turn the bulb on 🙂
@@michaels3003 yes if a light switch is drawing 25 watts... It's on fire lol
Awesome Video! Packed with good detail. Much appreciated!
I'm curious your take on how well this works for ELV or TRIAC. I've bought WAC Lighting Lotos www.waclighting.com/product/lotos/ Black Friday deal at $13.27/light! It sounds like on the LEDs they flicker or buzz if not using the right switch ELV or TRIAC.
I'm new to this whole home automation and want to follow your lead on using Hubitat and this Inovelli switch if you think they will work well with this light. Thanks for sharing your insight.
@@DIYSmartHomeGuy1 Awesome! Thanks for the response.
I'm curious what your take is on Gen 7 Z-wave.
aeotec.com/z-wave-home-automation/z-wave-700-series.html
I'm going to start wiring the house in Jan 2020 and just wanted to make sure I have the "right" switches. ie Inovelli vs Aeotec or other
Would this switch work with Lumary recessed smart lights to allow on/off from the wall switch without using the Lumary App or having to reprogram the lights again because you turned them "off"?? I would be able to breath again because i just bought 30 of them Lol and shudder at having to use my cellphone every time!
Well, as luck would have it, I recently purchased one. The bad news is, I haven't done any testing yet. From what I read, they are zigbee, so in theory the hub can control them. You would use a switch like this to constantly provide power and then use the button taps to turn the lights on and off. But again, I haven't done my independent testing as of yet.
Hey thank you I really appreciate you.