I've owned my Talaria MX4 for a little over a month and I'm fine with my stock brakes. However, I think I'll take Lance at his word and buy upgraded brake shoes when my old ones wear thin. It seems to me my 220 mm rotors are big enough for good stopping power.
Yeah I’d upgrade after the first change. That way you know they work and haven’t been beaten up in case something happens to the new ones you aren’t waiting weeks to ride.
Ktm 85 fork brakes are top tier when people do those forks. Idc about the extra weight. Im interested to see you do a video on moto brakes. What conversions are out.
Great info here. I don't want to upgrade anything on my sting r but im burning the rear brake after 3 days from all the trail braking technique I do. One side my rear pad is thin the other side is thicker.
Have you guys tried the Hope Teck 4 E4 and V4 brakes? they can support a 3.2mm rotor and have a slotted dual front rotor that fits as well. They also use dot 5.1 fluid not mineral oil like most mountain bike brakes. Love your videos keep them coming boys!
I love your Sharon x and I don’t know why wow you explain everything on brakes the hundreds of thousands riding you do straight up a mountain and down the other other side you need brakes
You guys interested in larger front forks? Maybe a seat riser? If it goes 72v I wanna get one and make it bigger and put some plastic fairings on would look like a nice enduro 💪🏽
very helpful video keep up the well job. im going all in on the entire brake system with my sting. would i need anything to make the change like an adapter spacer kit? or will i be ok with all the 5 parts listed in the link for the brake kit?
Nice! Order up the TRP's and then the rotors and then youll just need the rear brake adapter from rippin moto and which ever front fork you have youll need a rotor adapter to match for the new 250mm rotors.
definitely, the TRPs we feel they are the best option and they can be used with thicker rotors. if you are interested in getting them we have a discount code at charged cycle works. "TalariaBoys"
The thing about thicker rotors cooling faster doesn’t really make sense. The surface area is the same and the mass is more so it will cool down slower. If you got aluminum foil red hot (idk if you can do that) but if you could it would be silver again as soon as you took the flame of it. But it you had a 4 inch cube of steel red hot it would stay red for a few minutes at least
I get your point but it is technically wrong. Its very easy to make very thin aluminum foil red hot but its very difficult and takes so much longer to get a 4 inch cude red hot. Without going in specifics a larger rotor takes way longer and a lot more heat to reach the point where it stops working well as a brake. That's the main point is to lengthen the time before your brakes overheat and stop working.
Hi…you guys are pretty awesome in responses. Wondering which brand pads you would recommend for stock Surron (Galfer Pro, Kool Stop, Shimano, or the MTX)?
Hi, I'm a big fan of your channel, and I'm thinking of getting an mx3 soon. What upgrades do I need to do to be able to customize my throttle settings so that I can control my torque output?
How long has your pads lasted? So far I have 500 miles on my xXx and they squeak so much. Even after bedding them and re aligned them, it would seem that they are wearing quickly.
Just because they are loud doesnt mean they are worn out, Brake pads just get loud sometimes or get contaminated with chain lube or other oils around and need to be taken out of the caliper and lightly sanded down and re bed in.
Great vids guys! Question, is the tire you put on the front of your Sting R's a Kendal K785 Millville II tire front -70/100-19 and if so what do you put on rear if you ride strictly dirt (same tire?) Thanks in advance, keep up the good work!
Do braided cables make a difference? I was told it helps dissipate brake line boil? I am experiencing extreme brake fade on the descent. Sometimes resulting in total loss of brake lever travel. It is a String R with 500 miles. Any thoughts? Thanks for your great video on brakes. Lots of work to put this content out.
Braided theoretically is better but getting some high end brakes makes a massive difference and our trps are not braked and I don't feel like I need any better brakes.
No seat upgrades yet, We wired up some amazon light pods that we had laying around from our side by side. They are working pretty well but are not plug and play by any means.
I’m about to order the TRP DH-R EVO brakes but I’m running the stock MX4 rotors i’ve heard a few people have had to bleed them is that true? And what other 220 2.3 rotor would you recommend for this brake set up?
I wanted to upgrade to the shimano saints with the xtr ice-tech rotors, but they only come in 203mm. I don't mind going from 220mm to 203mm, but I'm worried the rear rotor on the mx4 will rub since the stock is 2.2mm thick. Is there a way to upgrade/replace the rear rotor on the MX4? Luna cycle told me you cannot replace the rear rotor. This is the only thing holding me back or I'd get an entire brake set and both new rotors. Now since the stock rotor is 2.2mm, the only option would be the TRPs since they are made for 2.3mm rotors. Everything else would rub, like you mentioned its almost impossible to keep from rubbing. What rear rotor do you have currently on your MX4? or what do you plan on upgrading to? Any links? :) You mentioned TRP makes 220mm rotors as well? All I can find is 203mm
The brake pads on the MX4 are horrible. I have replaced them on the first day by Shimano ones. When you compare a motorbike to the MX4 the brakes at the Talaria are so bad, you wouldn’t go faster than 10 mp/h with them 🤣
I need a new rear brake on my talaria xxx. I’m not sure how to know what hydraulic disk brakes fit my bike so what are some brakes that will fit and aren’t more than like 150 for just one brake? Thanks
Id say the TRP DHR Evos like we talk about with upgraded MTX Brake PAds, For rotors you could do 250mm or just do some 2.3mm thick 220mm warp 9 rotors since the xxx is smaller and has smaller wheels with less rotational mass.
Not immediately unfortunately, Reed is planning to get a set of warp 9 wheels in 16/19 but isn't ready to spend the money yet. A 18/21 video is coming soon though!
How did you fit front 250s on talaria ? I have trps and cannot fit the caliper on it even with the attachment that comes for talaria, the back 250 fit fine. The front doesn’t fit
Does any of your guys talaria make a clunking noise on the right side of the motor by the chain when going over bumpy roads or off-road? And notice it go away when throttling?
Yes that is normal, some bikes are a little louder than others but they all make those noises to a certain extent, I think almost all dirt bikes and moto's make similar sounds you just don't ever hear them on a gas bike since the engine is loud, once you go electric everyone always complains about suspension sounds and chain rattle. Hope this helped, thanks for watching!
Two questions Lance do you guys have or know where i can find all the torque specs for all the stuff on the taliaria like for the rotor bolts and all the other micelanoues nuts and books on this bike. And the other question is where do you find brake pads for the TRP brakes. Thanks great video
Here are upgraded trp pads,mtxbraking.com/product/gold-label-brake-pads/ and then select Shimano 4 piston all / TRP version in the dropdown box. I am not sure about all the torque specs, we are all pretty handy and just go by feel most of the time.
Hey boys, i've run my stock brake pads all the way down and need to replace them. What kind should i buy? Metallic or resin? And do you have any brands to recommend? Thanks so much
That means you've been riding! Nice! Here is the best we've found, be sure and select in the drop down box the (Shimano 4-Piston All -TRP) as the specific size. mtxbraking.com/product/gold-label-brake-pads/
Great question, Yes that is the fork Reed is running the rotors on but you just need to make sure to get the right adaptor, we had trouble picking the right one at first too.
Having the same issue with my front rotor too. Running Magura Mt7 pros and tried both bracket options for the 250mm rotors and still don’t fit.. please help… thanks!!!
Hey boys, do you happen to know the inner and outer diameters of the stock talaria XXX rear spring? I’m a bigger rider and want to upgrade it to a stiffer spring but I’m not sure if the KKE Surron light bee 450/550lb springs are compatible. Please help a fellow talaria boy out lol or do a video on it better yet! Thank you guys
Hey sorry it took us so long to respond, I believe the xxx spring is only a 250lb so putting on a 450-500 would make it extremely stiff, unless you are far exceeding the weight limit I wouldn’t go very much heavier spring, I don’t know the dimensions unfortunately.
Yes all plug and play you just need to make sure to get the right rotors for your wheels and the brake caliper adapters for whatever fork your running.
That's really weird that they didn't fit, all three of us are running them on ours and they fit great, I wonder if your bike frame has a slight issue or maybe its the axle block.
Mine didn’t fit either. You gotta shave the swingarm a little. Warp9s fitment sucks from my experience, customer service is even worse lol they couldn’t care less if stuff doesn’t fit
I bought a front and rear hays dominion break kit do I need a spacer with the stag aura floating disk rotors? Im copying Lances part list. If anyone knows please let me know
@@Talariaboys I have the talaria sting mx3 and I ordered the same break kits as Lances list so I have the Stag AURA'22 Floating Disc Rotor (Front & Rear Set) and a front and rear HAYES Dominion A4 brake kit I have default wheels and rotors and everything, I just ordered the Shinko SR 241 Trials Tires and Im unsure of what spacers to get because im very new to this ebike scene but I am very invested. Thank you :)
Also do I need an upgraded chain? I got these break upgrades because I just got the chi titan max 72v battery and I have a ko pro controller so I want a fast stopping speed considering I have alot more power
this is exactly what i needed right now! upgrading my talaria xxx brakes today, wish me luck!
Nice! hope it turns out well!
About to do the same thing to my xxx. Which upgrades are you going with? I think my brakes were rubbing a lot and I've worn them down quite a bit.
Absolutely great video boys, lance you did a fantastic job explaining everything!
I really appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
Gritshift has a big break kit with a 260mm rotor and an adapter to use Brembo P2 or P4 calipers. The same used on Ducati motorcycles.
Just ordered the xxx super excitedddd omg
From where
@@shaveddaveluna cycle.
great video! loved all the info! You guys are like the only ones with a video about this!
Glad it was helpful!
I've owned my Talaria MX4 for a little over a month and I'm fine with my stock brakes. However, I think I'll take Lance at his word and buy upgraded brake shoes when my old ones wear thin. It seems to me my 220 mm rotors are big enough for good stopping power.
Yeah I’d upgrade after the first change. That way you know they work and haven’t been beaten up in case something happens to the new ones you aren’t waiting weeks to ride.
Good plan my friend!
Just the video I was hoping for, going to throw away my stock R pads as they're pretty awful.
Thanks for a very helpful overview of the different options available.
Just the info I was looking for! Thanks guys!! 👍
Ktm 85 fork brakes are top tier when people do those forks. Idc about the extra weight. Im interested to see you do a video on moto brakes. What conversions are out.
Been watching yalls videos and I just ordered a XXX. I'm psyched!
nice where did your order it from?
Luna?
Yea I keep seeing people buying them but the website still says out of stock and I put my email for the restocking alert. Are they going in order? Lol
They will be instock soon with lots of inventory, Just a little longer and theyll be ready!
@@Talariaboys Same price hopefully?! lol
Great review of the different options and brakes for a future video. I’d love to see you cover suspension set ups for a stock talaria sting MX four.
Yes hopefully we can go in more depth soon, We will be going to visit EXT and will be making a suspension video with them.
Great info here. I don't want to upgrade anything on my sting r but im burning the rear brake after 3 days from all the trail braking technique I do. One side my rear pad is thin the other side is thicker.
Got my sting r ordered😊
Have you guys tried the Hope Teck 4 E4 and V4 brakes? they can support a 3.2mm rotor and have a slotted dual front rotor that fits as well. They also use dot 5.1 fluid not mineral oil like most mountain bike brakes. Love your videos keep them coming boys!
That’s the one brake set we haven’t tried, maybe someday but so far we are very happy with the TRPs and larger rotors!
This is what I want to see. If we can get 3mm rotors with high end dual piston calipers we will have nearly motorcycle level brakes without the weight
@@Talariaboyshave you tried the hope brakes yet?
I love your Sharon x and I don’t know why wow you explain everything on brakes the hundreds of thousands riding you do straight up a mountain and down the other other side you need brakes
This isn’t making much sense? Can you explain your question again?
I'm really liking this bike. Xxx
You guys interested in larger front forks? Maybe a seat riser? If it goes 72v I wanna get one and make it bigger and put some plastic fairings on would look like a nice enduro 💪🏽
I'd double the front disk...
Super informative, thanks :)
Glad it was helpful!
very helpful video keep up the well job. im going all in on the entire brake system with my sting. would i need anything to make the change like an adapter spacer kit? or will i be ok with all the 5 parts listed in the link for the brake kit?
Nice! Order up the TRP's and then the rotors and then youll just need the rear brake adapter from rippin moto and which ever front fork you have youll need a rotor adapter to match for the new 250mm rotors.
Do you recommend the trps or the Hayes better
definitely, the TRPs we feel they are the best option and they can be used with thicker rotors. if you are interested in getting them we have a discount code at charged cycle works. "TalariaBoys"
The thing about thicker rotors cooling faster doesn’t really make sense. The surface area is the same and the mass is more so it will cool down slower. If you got aluminum foil red hot (idk if you can do that) but if you could it would be silver again as soon as you took the flame of it. But it you had a 4 inch cube of steel red hot it would stay red for a few minutes at least
Correct me if im wrong
I get your point but it is technically wrong. Its very easy to make very thin aluminum foil red hot but its very difficult and takes so much longer to get a 4 inch cude red hot. Without going in specifics a larger rotor takes way longer and a lot more heat to reach the point where it stops working well as a brake. That's the main point is to lengthen the time before your brakes overheat and stop working.
Graphics look mint
Ya boy! They are always turning heads
Any recommendations on security. Locking up with chain or u lock to prevent theft? Thank you
Can you show us noobs how to change the brake pads? I love my sting R but im very new to the bike world
Sure we will post a short showing how to do it soon
@@Talariaboys awesome!!!! Cant wait!!
Hi…you guys are pretty awesome in responses. Wondering which brand pads you would recommend for stock Surron (Galfer Pro, Kool Stop, Shimano, or the MTX)?
MTX is the way to go tbelectricmoto.com/products/mtx-upgraded-brake-pads
@@Talariaboys thanks…you guys recommended the trp brakes. They also make pads. What’s better combo? Trp with the trp pads or the mtx pads?
The TRP pads are worth using until you need to upgrade to the MTX both are great brake pads
Hi, I'm a big fan of your channel, and I'm thinking of getting an mx3 soon. What upgrades do I need to do to be able to customize my throttle settings so that I can control my torque output?
The KO nano would be a good option and it’s the cheapest one too!
@@Talariaboys welp $750 down the drain! thanks a lot 🙏
How long has your pads lasted? So far I have 500 miles on my xXx and they squeak so much. Even after bedding them and re aligned them, it would seem that they are wearing quickly.
Just because they are loud doesnt mean they are worn out, Brake pads just get loud sometimes or get contaminated with chain lube or other oils around and need to be taken out of the caliper and lightly sanded down and re bed in.
Great vids guys! Question, is the tire you put on the front of your Sting R's a Kendal K785 Millville II tire front -70/100-19 and if so what do you put on rear if you ride strictly dirt (same tire?) Thanks in advance, keep up the good work!
Yes that’s correct. And yes we recommend the same tire on the back. That’s what Reed and alex are running.
Do braided cables make a difference? I was told it helps dissipate brake line boil? I am experiencing extreme brake fade on the descent. Sometimes resulting in total loss of brake lever travel. It is a String R with 500 miles. Any thoughts? Thanks for your great video on brakes. Lots of work to put this content out.
Braided theoretically is better but getting some high end brakes makes a massive difference and our trps are not braked and I don't feel like I need any better brakes.
How long will it take for a person riding a Talaria MX4 to have a sore butt when driving for a long time on a flat road?
If you ride a lot you don't get sore.. if you are new you'll get sore while building up a tolerance to it just like riding a bicycle
If you are upgrading to the Rippin Moto 250 set, do you still recommend going with the TRP caliper set, or is the talaria set fine on a mx4?
i gotta convince my parents to let me cop one
Can you do a install tutorial on the 250 rippin moto rotors when u get yours please!!
Will do!
Any seat upgrade for the XXX? Also what headlights do u have on yours?
No seat upgrades yet, We wired up some amazon light pods that we had laying around from our side by side. They are working pretty well but are not plug and play by any means.
I’m about to order the TRP DH-R EVO brakes but I’m running the stock MX4 rotors i’ve heard a few people have had to bleed them is that true? And what other 220 2.3 rotor would you recommend for this brake set up?
Sorry for the delay, did you get it sorted?
@@Talariaboys yeah man already on the bike
I wanted to upgrade to the shimano saints with the xtr ice-tech rotors, but they only come in 203mm. I don't mind going from 220mm to 203mm, but I'm worried the rear rotor on the mx4 will rub since the stock is 2.2mm thick. Is there a way to upgrade/replace the rear rotor on the MX4? Luna cycle told me you cannot replace the rear rotor. This is the only thing holding me back or I'd get an entire brake set and both new rotors. Now since the stock rotor is 2.2mm, the only option would be the TRPs since they are made for 2.3mm rotors. Everything else would rub, like you mentioned its almost impossible to keep from rubbing. What rear rotor do you have currently on your MX4? or what do you plan on upgrading to? Any links? :)
You mentioned TRP makes 220mm rotors as well? All I can find is 203mm
I see the link now to rippin Moto 👍
Oh must have been face book
What are you talking about?
The brake pads on the MX4 are horrible. I have replaced them on the first day by Shimano ones. When you compare a motorbike to the MX4 the brakes at the Talaria are so bad, you wouldn’t go faster than 10 mp/h with them 🤣
My 5 dollar break pads work fine, just would be ridicious paying for expensive break pads seeing how many I use
I need a new rear brake on my talaria xxx. I’m not sure how to know what hydraulic disk brakes fit my bike so what are some brakes that will fit and aren’t more than like 150 for just one brake? Thanks
You could order a replacement brake from Luna Cycle for around that price, otherwise a true upgraded brake will be more like $200-250
Can you guys compare the stock brakes on the new ErideProSS to the trp Evo?
Trp will still be a huge upgrade for the E-ride Pro SS, it has decent brakes but TRP is a lot better
what setup would be the top tier no holds barred for the xxx? full set from pad to lever
Id say the TRP DHR Evos like we talk about with upgraded MTX Brake PAds, For rotors you could do 250mm or just do some 2.3mm thick 220mm warp 9 rotors since the xxx is smaller and has smaller wheels with less rotational mass.
@@Talariaboys right on, thank you guys for all the knowledge you provide 🤙🏼
When are you guys gonna do the 19/16 setup?
Not immediately unfortunately, Reed is planning to get a set of warp 9 wheels in 16/19 but isn't ready to spend the money yet. A 18/21 video is coming soon though!
How did you fit front 250s on talaria ?
I have trps and cannot fit the caliper on it even with the attachment that comes for talaria, the back 250 fit fine. The front doesn’t fit
Sorry for the delay in responding but I know they do fit you just probably need a different front adapter.
Does any of your guys talaria make a clunking noise on the right side of the motor by the chain when going over bumpy roads or off-road? And notice it go away when throttling?
Yes that is normal, some bikes are a little louder than others but they all make those noises to a certain extent, I think almost all dirt bikes and moto's make similar sounds you just don't ever hear them on a gas bike since the engine is loud, once you go electric everyone always complains about suspension sounds and chain rattle. Hope this helped, thanks for watching!
Two questions Lance do you guys have or know where i can find all the torque specs for all the stuff on the taliaria like for the rotor bolts and all the other micelanoues nuts and books on this bike. And the other question is where do you find brake pads for the TRP brakes. Thanks great video
Here are upgraded trp pads,mtxbraking.com/product/gold-label-brake-pads/ and then select Shimano 4 piston all / TRP version in the dropdown box. I am not sure about all the torque specs, we are all pretty handy and just go by feel most of the time.
OK thanks. Do those pads fit the stock taliaria brakes to.
Yes same pads which is cool.
Nice. Thanks guys
If you only did one 250mm rotor, would you do front or rear?
Definitely go with the front. The rear has more than enough stopping power with the 220mm rotor. Also you can keep the rotor guard on the back wheel
How do i get the rear end break to be on the left side of the handle bar because usually there built to be on the right side.
some brakes are universal. just purchase a rear brake and a front brake and swap the hoses
@@Talariaboys How do you swap hoses?
Hey boys, i've run my stock brake pads all the way down and need to replace them. What kind should i buy? Metallic or resin? And do you have any brands to recommend? Thanks so much
That means you've been riding! Nice! Here is the best we've found, be sure and select in the drop down box the (Shimano 4-Piston All -TRP) as the specific size. mtxbraking.com/product/gold-label-brake-pads/
@@Talariaboys oh i've been riding! This bike is the absolute best thing to happen to me im fully hooked. Thanks so much for your help!!
But do the rippin moto 250mm rotors fit with the MX4 factory fork? I bought a set a few months back for mine and the front rotor didn't fit
Great question, Yes that is the fork Reed is running the rotors on but you just need to make sure to get the right adaptor, we had trouble picking the right one at first too.
Having the same issue with my front rotor too. Running Magura Mt7 pros and tried both bracket options for the 250mm rotors and still don’t fit.. please help… thanks!!!
@@QuantumPulse675 Damn so the adapter they sell doesn't even work with stock fork?
Damn so the adapter they sell doesn't even work with stock fork?
@@brianskies It does work he just didn't get the right one, we are obviously running it like I showed on camera.
Hey boys, do you happen to know the inner and outer diameters of the stock talaria XXX rear spring? I’m a bigger rider and want to upgrade it to a stiffer spring but I’m not sure if the KKE Surron light bee 450/550lb springs are compatible. Please help a fellow talaria boy out lol or do a video on it better yet! Thank you guys
Hey sorry it took us so long to respond, I believe the xxx spring is only a 250lb so putting on a 450-500 would make it extremely stiff, unless you are far exceeding the weight limit I wouldn’t go very much heavier spring, I don’t know the dimensions unfortunately.
I have a 450 kke on my xxx
I got shimano semi metallic brake pads do those still work? And do they work as good as the fully metallic brake pads?
Yes they will still help and work fine.
So if I bring you my Talaria will you upgrade it for me if I pay you for the work?
Possibly what are you wanting to get done?
If i get the trp dhr evos and the 250 rippin moto rotor is it plug and play for the sting r? Thanks you guys or whoever !
Yes all plug and play you just need to make sure to get the right rotors for your wheels and the brake caliper adapters for whatever fork your running.
Does anyone know if the Rippin Moto 250 rotors can work with the stock brakes and pads on the Talaria Sting R?
Yes sir they can
What front adapter do I need for ext ferro fork and trp 223 mil rotor and dhr evo for mx4
Just buy a warp 9 223mm caliper adapter! And you will need a 5mm boost spacer from warp 9 for the ferro as well.
Hey I got the warp 9 axle block for my mx4 (month old from lunacycle) and it didn’t quite fit in the grooves
That's really weird that they didn't fit, all three of us are running them on ours and they fit great, I wonder if your bike frame has a slight issue or maybe its the axle block.
Mine didn’t fit either. You gotta shave the swingarm a little. Warp9s fitment sucks from my experience, customer service is even worse lol they couldn’t care less if stuff doesn’t fit
Does anyone make rear foot brake for this bike?
How do these compare to hope vtech for Surron lbx?
The hope brakes feel great. We haven’t spent enough time using them to really know if they are better
@@Talariaboys “hope” you’re able to use them longer so we can get your opinion as to which are better
I bought a front and rear hays dominion break kit do I need a spacer with the stag aura floating disk rotors? Im copying Lances part list. If anyone knows please let me know
It just depends on what size rotors you ordered? 200? 220? Also what size rotors are currently on your bike? Sting R has 220 and mx3 has 200
@@Talariaboys I have the talaria sting mx3 and I ordered the same break kits as Lances list so I have the Stag AURA'22 Floating Disc Rotor (Front & Rear Set) and a front and rear HAYES Dominion A4 brake kit I have default wheels and rotors and everything, I just ordered the Shinko SR 241 Trials Tires and Im unsure of what spacers to get because im very new to this ebike scene but I am very invested.
Thank you :)
Also do I need an upgraded chain? I got these break upgrades because I just got the chi titan max 72v battery and I have a ko pro controller so I want a fast stopping speed considering I have alot more power
"welcome back to channel" really bugs me, ngl
I like the greeting. 🤷
They could make shirts and make bank
The * channel 😂
Welcome back to the comment section
If that bugs you, you got some issues
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i love how he has no idea why more mass helps. lol
We do know why it helps but its hard to explain on camera to those who have very little understanding, we do our best.