I'm definitely gonna wait for the Magewell one, just hope it doesn't take too long. It may be crazy expensive compared to gaming brands but it's much more versatile and reliable. By the way, I was able to passthrough G-Sync in my Magewell 4K LT Plus, all I had to do is load the LG TV EDID into the card. I ran multiple tests including the G-Sync Pendulum software and it seems it's working, I am missing something here?
@@EposVox I thought that as well, there's always a catch when trying to use VRR in older cards. But this one is working, I even used the green button on the LG remote and turned Nvidia Inspector G-Sync overlays on to confirm. Really weird, there's gotta be a catch somewhere lol. Try doing this too if you still have these hardwares, just load the LG Edid into the card
Dude. I've been watching you for 3 years already. I remember seeing your partner in videos holding him in the back as a small infant. To see him as grown up as he now is make me feel old... And I'm way younger then you! Honestly, With this in mind, Consider that a testament of my faith in your good doing as a content creator. You content has consistently evolved over the last 3 years to a stage where I consider you a role model to my active development of slowly *hopefully* become a content creator myself. Jolly good show as always!
Maybe they're planning to launch 8K 60FPS recorder that is able to record 8K 60FPS & 4K 120FPS both at once. Maybe promoting a higher resolution recorder sells better than just a higher frame rate recorder. And since 8K is still kind of new on the market it feels too early for them to launch it now, especially that there are no or only few video games that support 8K resolution. Also 8K TV's are still expensive and the majority of people recently bought a 4K TV. No one thinks of buying and upgrading his TV to 8K resolution since there is no much content to watch in 8K! I hope Elgato does not follow AverMedia's footsteps. As launching a new HDMI 2.1 capture card that only passes through 4K at 120 FPS without actually recording it is worthless.
I am looking forward to this! Now I can use my monitor at its full potential without having to change which input I use depending on whether I am streaming/recording or just playing. I mean, if it supports 1440p 240Hz pass-through. Edit: Apparently they don't support 240 Hz 1440p pass-through. That's very disappointing. But I'm moving to 4K soon hopefully, so 120 Hz there at least will be good. I'll wait to see what Elgato comes out with. Got their 4K60 Pro Mk2 now.
Does the HDMI 2.1 pass through still work at full refresh rate, though? There are 300 Hz displays with HDMI 2.1 like the Acer Nitro XV2 XV272UKFbmiipruzx, would it be possible to play at the full 1440p 300 Hz and capture at 1440p 120? Or is the pass through somehow limiting the refresh rate of the display?
I suggested to Elgato that they come out with a new generation of the 4K60 Pro with the Successor to the 4K60Pro Mk.II (aptly named - the 4K144 Pro) 4K144 Pro Can do the following: 4K 144Hz PT 1440p 240/360Hz PT and 1080p 360Hz PT HDMI 2.1
Whoh. You mentioned that Twitch supports 120fps, if you stream 120fps, and select source. It is 120 fps. Glorious smooth. Bitrate is a bit limiting (AV1 could maybe help), but it does work. Thanks for mentioning that.
Considering I'm having issues with my Elgato 4k60 Pro Mk2 (and customer support just not being able to do anything but suggest the same three fixes) I think it's time I start looking at the alternatives out there.
I mean, I never stopped posting lol. This video is months old now. Course is still available for purchase here: glitch.mov/products/the-definitive-guide-to-obs-studio
@EposVox lol, I just realized that after I posted... this is over seven months old! But for some reason, I haven't been getting your videos! All of a sudden today, this video popped into my feed. So, I thought it was recent like today, till I looked afterwards. Either way, I enjoy your content and thinking about the class. Will check out the link this weekend. Thanks Vox!
NV12 is fine and all, but I've been using my avermedia card to play my PS5 games via passthrough using RGB24, which is supposed to be(?) 4:4:4. At the very least these new cards should support that too at the higher refresh rates. Fingers crossed...
Passthrough would (unless something went horribly wrong) still be 4:4:4. Was talking about the capture formats. If they limited passthrough to 4:2:0, that would be a massive step backwards
@@EposVox Oh absolutely, though I imagine powerful enough PCs could theoretically power through that by recording with non hardware-accelerated encoders... Unless something new came in with hardware 4K120 recording capabilities?
@@EposVox Wait, you can't use software like OBS to record using a 4:4:4 codec of choice whatever you're displaying on your computer, like that 4:4:4 passthrough stream?
If the capture card only provides NV12 as a format and doesn’t supply a 444 mode, you cannot record such a mode. That is what that whole discussion was about, yes
Any thoughts on which you'd recommend to try pre-ordering first? Thus far both units seem to offer the same specs and features I'd need. I do however prefer ASUS' chassis and lower profile RGB light. Probably doesn't mean much, but having the OBS certification might appeal to some as well. Ultimately, which one would we predict to be more reliable and which has better customer service?
12:00 100% 240 1440p pass through is a must. Otherwise you can just duplicate screens with the last gen… At least it’s a start into 2.1, but still going to suck for some early adopters that don’t know better. Fishy.
@@EposVox Have you actually operated such an adapter at 2160p/120 Hz/Full-Range RGB/10 bit colors/HDR? Have tested the ones claiming such specs from Club 3D and Sabrent, none of them actually do this but max out at HDMI 2.0b. Used RTX 3000 dGPUs for testing that support DSC.
@@EposVox Then I’d be very thankful for the specific model name of the adapter you used, I also used a CX during my testing with the latest firmware on it and a cable that does 48 Gbps just fine (obviously A/B tested with the dGPUs’ native HDMI 2.1 ports).
I watched your video over at Nebula. That said, I think they aren't offering the maximum ability of the HDMI 2.1 spec because they know the end is nigh. 8k gaming will probably never be a thing. If it ever becomes a thing, it's probably easily a decade away. 4k is basically the top of what pixel screen gaming will be. So they have to have an upgrade to make people buy an upgrade product. After that it's just failure replacements.
odd question...is it a big deal to not have gsync passthrough? i usually just clone my screen and one goes to the capture card and one to the gsync screen and that works only some games act up, like the forza games, which seem to default to the lowest common denominator, which means in my case it locked the max frame rate to 60, but the gsync still worked. is there a benefit to passing gsync through that im not seeing?
GSync generally doesn’t actually work with cloning. And the whole point of getting VRR passthrough on a card is so you don’t have tearing on your capture feed. Cloning will always have tearing, far more if you’re forcing GSync to the main display
Hello as hard as i try i cannot use HLS servers to stream hdr content with obs to you tube without the bitrate going from selected bit rate down to 0 then back to selected bit rate causing glitchy stream with lags. :( Any ideas on how to fix that or should i just not try until rmtps is allowed hdr and when do you think that time will be. TY
On the Avermedia 5.1 audio recording is kind of a big new feature. But they don't mention it in the specs for the new usb card so I'm assuming still 2.0 audio over usb. Bummer.
@@EposVox Just an idea for consideration (pls dont think im being pushy the only reason i bring this up is because no one has done it yet anywhere online, i understand you're a busy man and im not making any demands). If you ever find the time and interest: could you make a video trying Intel Arc gpus on a CRT? the reason im proposing this is because intel said they support interlaced scanning through HDMI 2.1 , and for most people from poorer countries or just...unlucky, Interlaced resolutions are a godsent to be able to push higher resolutions at good refresh rates on otherwise weak spec'd models, if any Alchemist gpu would support this, it would mean a great deal for people stuck on the 980Ti to finally be able to upgrade.
Wouldve loved more info on 1440p240. However, I found out yesterday that I can still play in 1440p240 and send a 1440p120 feed over display cloning onto an elgato 4k60 pro in another pc. Thought you needed an hdmi 2.1 capture card for that.
@@rudiruessel9816 Didnt experience any changes on the gaming monitor at all. However, Adam is right about the screen tearing. Also somehow the quality looks slightly worse than using NDI, but that might be placebo.
going to move back to 2 PC stream with this release. I like having my UW 1440p but having to cap my frames to 60fps because OBS's GPU usage shoots up is no good :(
I actually would say the limitation maby could be comeing from the broadcast sector keeping prices high on such chips/protecting their investment, also encoding 120fps would be quite hot (remember most company's struggle with 4k multiple encoder chips with out a rack unit/being cheep, passthrough is easier), when bmd can do it the walls should fall tho but waiting you shall because of such reasons 🤔, I want HDMI 2.1 on a bmd device not just for this reason but also because someone will have to convince Dolby to do more vision tunneling, their are multiple people blocking this & possibly patent protections in place too, consumers are not the priority at the current time clearly 🤔
It's not cost prohibitive. They need a future product improvement to sell. So, what we get as consumers are incremental updates that we get to pay full price over and over. Once they come out with 120/144 capture cards there's not much more to go for beyond that besides support of future formats like HDR spec updates etc and they'll have to compete on the software side.
Hello do u know card that can process input hdmi 1080@50 deep color 12 bit rec 2020 as output raw 4:4:4 RGB 10/12? Yuv2 or P010 is too loose pixel formats. Same I need to process old s-video or component, 4:2:2 or 8 bit processors on cards and yuv2 output also mess where in best cases weave deinterlacing present, maybe there something more color resolution and bit depth capable cards with motion adaptive or 3D motion based cards u can suggest?
Was really looking forward on seeing a good HDMI 2.1 capture card, yet from what it was shown, I guess its better just to wait a while longer. Dunno why Avermedia ALWAYS does something to screw themselves over, either due of the software or the "not viable" thing with having better 4K specs for capturing...urgh....
Yo bro, i'm new for recording a gameplay on pc, my friend told me u must record with dual pc for smooth and better look, can u tell me minimum cpu and gpu to record a gameplay with no lag using evgax1r? And can ddr3 pc with 2cores and 2 thread capture 4k60fps with gtx 1650,i think 1650 supports enough 4k60 fps for capturing only? His 1650 just free for me and i can use it, can i blend a dual core cpu and 1650 to record 4k60fps with evga x1?
On ASUS website it says that is supports VRR. Still cannot buy it anywhere from my quick searches. The lack of 4K 120/144Hz capture, is just milking users, so they can provide a new product next year or so. It would maybe add extra 10$ to the price. There are chips that can do it, just not for cheap stuff yet.
I stopped streaming because of this with my new wqhd 270hz monitor. Its realy sad that their comes nothing. With different hz with cloning i always feel a different to how it feels ingame without streaming.
It seems the El Gato HD60x is the best option until something is better, 4k 60fp yes, variable frame rate yes, 120hz yes, usb 3.0 yes, cheaper than all of the other cards yes. Right now there's a 240hz glitch in windows 11 settings available to HD60x cards in settings. Probably doesn't work but its there
I mean, you can record 4K 120 and 8K 30 on an Atomos Ninja V+ since 2021. So there is hardware for it. The only thing is that there is no direct connection to the PC via this form, because you record from the Ninja V to an SSD directly. They could do a capture card based on it, even if its PCIE only. What a waste to not have "real" HDMI 2.1 cards :/
Is there any way you could do a video on how to get OBS to match ACX audiobook settings....? I've been looking everywhere for this and have found literally nothing for OBS Studio. It's all Audacity or Adobe Auditions----one of which I don't want to pay for, the other which is crap. I already have Davinci Resolve and OBS Studio on my laptop and main computer, so I should be able to just make the most of those two. The first thing I haven't been able to figure out is getting stats on a full track's RMS levels. Or how to set a dB range of -23dB to -18dB. So frustrated. These are the ACX specs. ⏹measure between -23dB and -18dB RMS ⏹have -3dB peak values ⏹ max -60dB noise floor ⏹be a 192kbps or higher ⏹MP3 ⏹Constant Bit Rate (CBR) ⏹44.1 kHz I figured out half of it, and some can't be done until being edited in Davinci, like MP3 export. I found 44.1 kHz, CBR, and 192 or higher kbps settings and did those. It's the 1st three that are driving me insane, lol.
That kind of loudnesss normalization is really something you should be doing post-recording. But there’s no way in OBS to specifically lock you to such a range. Could gain it up and limit to -3 but it’s cleaner to do in post
I think the reason why they want to keep with last gen framerates is to purely cater to as many people as possible with slower PCIe lanes. Motherboards haven't been easy to get during the pandemic, at RRP prices. So the lack of 4k120hz/144hz capture as with the cost of it, might be reflecting this.
That is what I am thinking. I tried to use NDI at a high resolution/framerate and the M.2 SSD probably just isn't fast enough to keep the stutters away. A lot of people don't want to upgrade to PCI-E 4.0 and get a PCI-E SSD that can transfer the data. One of the current capture cards is an easier solution for me. I will probably just use the switch for the camera(s).
I'm not sure how many games even run at 120fps on console. I feel like they often struggle to get them to 60, so having a passthrough for 120 doesn't seem so useful, not yet anyway.
120hz sync is still useful for VRR for games that can run above 60, keeping the lowest latency on your TV, and the competitive games that do run at 120. It’s useful.
Ok so maybe you guys can help me, I have a 4k/165Hz monitor and i want to play my PS5 on my PC at 4k/120hz in a smaller window, is this possible? And what would i need?
Less about the buggy ness and more that those are some of the most time-intensive projects I ever do on the channel, and I have had barely any work time for months. Plus, the general conclusion is “don’t worry about it” lol
I'm curious why HDMI 2.1 is so expensive that it took companies 3 years to give us something we should have already had not to mention that a lot of TV manufacturers have downgraded their HDMI 2.1 ports from 4 & 5 to 2 & 3 ports due to cost. Fortunately I bought my OLED's before the downgrades so I have the full hdmi ports.
I was thinking of getting one of these just to test it out. Any word on release dates? Does anyone support streaming in such high rates yet? HLS in h.265 or AV1? Prices seem cheap compared to "pro" stuff.
So given that the yuan card you are talking about that does 4K 120 is $1400. i know someone that special ordered one. I think them saying it being prohibitively expensive isn't a lie
What happened to EVGA XR1 PRO? it says it supports HDMI 2.1 officially now, but I cannot use it with an OLED TV, it works with some monitors but only with HDMI 2.0
@@EposVox I understand now, I tried to reach support multiple times but no response, yours was helpful, at least to know why it won't work. Still not getting why it pass-through doesn't work with any TV
Personally i don't care too much for 4K120 capture cause I don't believe most content creators are recording or streaming 120fps anyway. But i have been BEGGING Elgato for 4K120 passthrough 1080p capture HDR capture cards for YEARS since the new consoles were even announced in the first place. The HD60 X was such a disappointment cause what's the point of VRR if you're not actually using your console to it's full potential.
I want to see display port capture cards for PC capture I'm not into consoles at all I hate controllers been on kbm since Wolfenstein 3D I will never change lol
@@EposVox Do Capture Cards need to be HDMI? Honest Question, because i dont understand why you wouldnt want high performance FPS players to stream on your best Monitors.
@@GameTalkEddie They don't HAVE to, but very few DP cards have ever existed and both AVerMedia & Elgato reps have told me that the manufacturing cost of DP is too prohibitive for it being a more niche market compared to HDMI cards (which would work with cameras/consoles/etc). DP can be converted to HDMI, but converting HDMI back up to DP is very problematic.
@@EposVox At least i dont have to look forward to using a capture card again in the next few years with a monitor like that. I was already starting to get exited. Now i know i will be stuck with obs cloning as it seems. Thanks for clearing that up. Still sucks. :D
Avermedia trying to sandbag another generation so people upgrade and buy the hot new. And just release the real 4K120 next years so people upgrade again. Some phones can literally record in 8K60 on battery power, as in we already have chips that can handle 4K120 streams.
I would like to see networks like Fox for watching football go to 4k/120 it would be amazing but they are still stuck at 720p hard to watch but a network worth billions you would think would not have a problem upgrading hardware.
They're likely filming most of the sports events at 4k/4k120 already (they do a lot of slowmo anyway w/ higher rates than 120) but the TV broadcast protocol is limited to 720. You're more waiting on TV providers to roll out better infrastructure or 4k120 streaming to become more common (aka AV1 rolling out more)
@@stevenanderson3205 That's what ATSC 3.0 is - 4K and 1080p finally! (at 120 Hz, too) That being said, a big part of why ATSC 3.0's adoption has been slow is because...well, linear TV ain't exactly what it used to be, to say the least.
At this stage, capturecards are more and more nishe. With 10gbit lan soon getting to be standard, you might as well pipeline NDI between two pc's. Videocard manufacturers could also play a role if they wanted to. I can't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to use one of the outputs on a videocard and turn it to an input and vice versa. Being able to pipe a stream from a card to the other and bypass things like HAGS, framegen, reflex and VRR should be a possibility at this stage. Even though the 4060 is the worst card in the history, i'd buy it in a heartbeat if this was possible.
10gbit is still FAR more niche than capture cards, and will be for a very long time. Capture cards are primarily for consoles, cameras, etc., not dual PC. Dual PC has always been niche. But yes, for dual PC, NDI is generally the way to go.
Why has the capture card industry moved so slow? Is it like they are worried that.. literally at any moment.. their products would just be made obsolete? (by that I mean suddenly PC gamers would be flushed with strong PCs that can just spend 5% of CPU/GPU to capture directly to disk+stream to RUclips)? I think it's breathtaking that companies like Elgato can charge scalper-level MSRP prices in- and out- of pandemic and we as consumers never see any of that R&D moneys go back into making EposVox's most basic requests happen in the past four years. I guess we consumers are truly a "captured market" kekekeke. I guess the only things we should use these captures cards to do are to capture the footage from DSLRs, like that dude on Twitch who doesn't game and just trains some web cam on a platter of petrified ducklings--and just get with the program--spec out and buy a slightly beefier PC so that we can do internal capturing all inside the same gaming PC. One of the things I noticed, having done a life time of flying and travelling just for work, is that I had to shed things before every flight. Countless beautiful coffee table books and collectables and vintage things had to be left behind just so I can get on the flight without insane carry-on or checked-in baggage fees. So for me, in theory it would be nice to have these dedicated capture cards and the accompanying well shielded cables--but in practice I'd have to go without such an professional set up--I'd force to do it all internally inside the PC anyway. So basically whatever we can fit into a somewhat-travel-friendly SFF PC is all we are allowed. Anyway, keep rock'n on and rock'n hard EpoxVox, I really appreciated the work you did covering those white box $20 capture cards from three years ago, I bought a pile from Aliexpress and had been limping along with that for far too long, and I think going forward it makes--for me at least, YMMV--far more sense to just let the PC do both the capturing and the streaming. The current state of things in video capture? All I can say is it reminds me of what tech youtuber MKBHD asked in a new video about 24 hours ago--"is it the negative reviews that kill the terrible product (and the parent company) orr is it the terrible product that killed the company?"
The only feature I really want from these new capture cards right now is cec passthrough for my htpc setup. Having said that making them uvc devices is amazing, native Linux support is something I've been wanting for way too long, so even if they don't support cec passthrough, I'm still getting one for my desktop.
I'm definitely gonna wait for the Magewell one, just hope it doesn't take too long. It may be crazy expensive compared to gaming brands but it's much more versatile and reliable. By the way, I was able to passthrough G-Sync in my Magewell 4K LT Plus, all I had to do is load the LG TV EDID into the card. I ran multiple tests including the G-Sync Pendulum software and it seems it's working, I am missing something here?
That card isn’t supposed to support VRR in any way, so I’m thinking a fluke? No clue
@@EposVox I thought that as well, there's always a catch when trying to use VRR in older cards. But this one is working, I even used the green button on the LG remote and turned Nvidia Inspector G-Sync overlays on to confirm. Really weird, there's gotta be a catch somewhere lol. Try doing this too if you still have these hardwares, just load the LG Edid into the card
@@funkyblackcat Ó o Funky aí, bicho! :)
@funkyblackcat voce por aqui kkkkk
Caraca, achei você aqui @funkyblackcat?
Dude. I've been watching you for 3 years already. I remember seeing your partner in videos holding him in the back as a small infant. To see him as grown up as he now is make me feel old... And I'm way younger then you! Honestly, With this in mind, Consider that a testament of my faith in your good doing as a content creator. You content has consistently evolved over the last 3 years to a stage where I consider you a role model to my active development of slowly *hopefully* become a content creator myself. Jolly good show as always!
The aspect ratio of the video threw me off a little but I think I like it.
It's very good on phones.
I'm loving it on my Fold, it's taking up almost the whole screen lol
I was freaking out cause I thought something was wrong with my phone haha
I love having only half the screen filled with massive black bars
Il like it cause while watching on large screen you keep your neck straight & at same time having a little more displayed vertically on screen. 👍
I can't wait for your reviews... I know they are a lot of work, but they are the best and most thorough. Love your work.
I love that you took the risk making this in 4:3. Thanks. I need new capture cards and this just showed up in my feed!
thank you for keeping us up to date
Thanks for watching!
Maybe they're planning to launch 8K 60FPS recorder that is able to record 8K 60FPS & 4K 120FPS both at once. Maybe promoting a higher resolution recorder sells better than just a higher frame rate recorder. And since 8K is still kind of new on the market it feels too early for them to launch it now, especially that there are no or only few video games that support 8K resolution. Also 8K TV's are still expensive and the majority of people recently bought a 4K TV. No one thinks of buying and upgrading his TV to 8K resolution since there is no much content to watch in 8K! I hope Elgato does not follow AverMedia's footsteps. As launching a new HDMI 2.1 capture card that only passes through 4K at 120 FPS without actually recording it is worthless.
I am looking forward to this! Now I can use my monitor at its full potential without having to change which input I use depending on whether I am streaming/recording or just playing. I mean, if it supports 1440p 240Hz pass-through.
Edit: Apparently they don't support 240 Hz 1440p pass-through. That's very disappointing. But I'm moving to 4K soon hopefully, so 120 Hz there at least will be good. I'll wait to see what Elgato comes out with. Got their 4K60 Pro Mk2 now.
Yeah they don't support 240hz 1440p i want to kms
Welcome back Addie! Just bought my Master Class guide this morning! :D
Thank you!!
I'm waiting for reviews. But I'm pumped we're finally getting HDMI 2.1 capture cards. It feels like it just took forever.
Oh wait what.... they're finally comming!? :D
I would love for these to have more than 1 input
Does the HDMI 2.1 pass through still work at full refresh rate, though?
There are 300 Hz displays with HDMI 2.1 like the Acer Nitro XV2 XV272UKFbmiipruzx, would it be possible to play at the full 1440p 300 Hz and capture at 1440p 120? Or is the pass through somehow limiting the refresh rate of the display?
Is there any ultra wide capture card ?
I’ve had both Avermedia and Elgato. Kind of curious to see if Elgato has something coming. They’ve been very quiet on cards for hdmi 2.1 and all
I suggested to Elgato that they come out with a new generation of the 4K60 Pro with the Successor to the 4K60Pro Mk.II (aptly named - the 4K144 Pro)
4K144 Pro Can do the following:
4K 144Hz PT
1440p 240/360Hz PT
and 1080p 360Hz PT HDMI 2.1
We can dream
Live gamer ultra 2.1, pre orders are live! $299 w/ a preorder discount $275… delivers next month, Mac support Dec 23’! Let’s go!!!
Link to that? Can't see any pre order information so far
Ok I saw it. Seems as it currently only works in the US. No preorder in Europe so far :(
In other words, wait for the ElGato version. Gotcha!
looking forward to the avermedia one
Yay for new products, nay for the standstill in some areas
Exciting times! Thanks for the great video! 😄
Whoh. You mentioned that Twitch supports 120fps, if you stream 120fps, and select source. It is 120 fps. Glorious smooth. Bitrate is a bit limiting (AV1 could maybe help), but it does work. Thanks for mentioning that.
Considering I'm having issues with my Elgato 4k60 Pro Mk2 (and customer support just not being able to do anything but suggest the same three fixes) I think it's time I start looking at the alternatives out there.
Good to see you again Vox, missed your content. Are you going to be offering the classes again?
I mean, I never stopped posting lol. This video is months old now.
Course is still available for purchase here: glitch.mov/products/the-definitive-guide-to-obs-studio
@EposVox lol, I just realized that after I posted... this is over seven months old! But for some reason, I haven't been getting your videos! All of a sudden today, this video popped into my feed. So, I thought it was recent like today, till I looked afterwards. Either way, I enjoy your content and thinking about the class. Will check out the link this weekend. Thanks Vox!
Glad to be back! Haha
NV12 is fine and all, but I've been using my avermedia card to play my PS5 games via passthrough using RGB24, which is supposed to be(?) 4:4:4. At the very least these new cards should support that too at the higher refresh rates. Fingers crossed...
Passthrough would (unless something went horribly wrong) still be 4:4:4. Was talking about the capture formats. If they limited passthrough to 4:2:0, that would be a massive step backwards
@@EposVox Oh absolutely, though I imagine powerful enough PCs could theoretically power through that by recording with non hardware-accelerated encoders... Unless something new came in with hardware 4K120 recording capabilities?
If the capture card doesn't provide a 4:4:4 format to record, there's nothing the PC can do to change that
@@EposVox Wait, you can't use software like OBS to record using a 4:4:4 codec of choice whatever you're displaying on your computer, like that 4:4:4 passthrough stream?
If the capture card only provides NV12 as a format and doesn’t supply a 444 mode, you cannot record such a mode. That is what that whole discussion was about, yes
Any thoughts on which you'd recommend to try pre-ordering first?
Thus far both units seem to offer the same specs and features I'd need. I do however prefer ASUS' chassis and lower profile RGB light.
Probably doesn't mean much, but having the OBS certification might appeal to some as well.
Ultimately, which one would we predict to be more reliable and which has better customer service?
12:00 100% 240 1440p pass through is a must. Otherwise you can just duplicate screens with the last gen…
At least it’s a start into 2.1, but still going to suck for some early adopters that don’t know better. Fishy.
Just t bought the maxsquare hdmi 2. 1 4k 120 hz 4k60 4k2k...amazing...its the leader right now for sure in capturw
Have you thought about making a video on "mouse without borders"? That thing is INSANE for multi pc stream setups.
Related topic: Any chance for actually reliable active DisplayPort 1.4 (DSC)-to-HDMI 2.1 adapters finally coming to market?
DisplayPort to HDMI hasn't been a problem. It's the other way around that is an issue. I have one I'm testing soon tho
@@EposVox Have you actually operated such an adapter at 2160p/120 Hz/Full-Range RGB/10 bit colors/HDR?
Have tested the ones claiming such specs from Club 3D and Sabrent, none of them actually do this but max out at HDMI 2.0b. Used RTX 3000 dGPUs for testing that support DSC.
I used a DP to HDMI for running my LG CX in full 4k120 10-bit for a year w/ no issue. DSC is probably the compatibility breaker there
@@EposVox Then I’d be very thankful for the specific model name of the adapter you used, I also used a CX during my testing with the latest firmware on it and a cable that does 48 Gbps just fine (obviously A/B tested with the dGPUs’ native HDMI 2.1 ports).
Did you maybe misremember in the heat of the moment and actually used a native HDMI 2.1 port back then?
I'll stick with my AverMedia LG 4K OG capture card. Still works to this day after over a year of usage.
I watched your video over at Nebula. That said, I think they aren't offering the maximum ability of the HDMI 2.1 spec because they know the end is nigh. 8k gaming will probably never be a thing. If it ever becomes a thing, it's probably easily a decade away. 4k is basically the top of what pixel screen gaming will be. So they have to have an upgrade to make people buy an upgrade product. After that it's just failure replacements.
odd question...is it a big deal to not have gsync passthrough?
i usually just clone my screen and one goes to the capture card and one to the gsync screen and that works
only some games act up, like the forza games, which seem to default to the lowest common denominator, which means in my case it locked the max frame rate to 60, but the gsync still worked.
is there a benefit to passing gsync through that im not seeing?
GSync generally doesn’t actually work with cloning. And the whole point of getting VRR passthrough on a card is so you don’t have tearing on your capture feed. Cloning will always have tearing, far more if you’re forcing GSync to the main display
Hello as hard as i try i cannot use HLS servers to stream hdr content with obs to you tube without the bitrate going from selected bit rate down to 0 then back to selected bit rate causing glitchy stream with lags. :( Any ideas on how to fix that or should i just not try until rmtps is allowed hdr and when do you think that time will be. TY
I’d just wait for RTMPS, very few viewers care about HDR anywY
@@EposVox Ty Aver media internal looks like a winner! Ty great explanations!
On the Avermedia 5.1 audio recording is kind of a big new feature. But they don't mention it in the specs for the new usb card so I'm assuming still 2.0 audio over usb. Bummer.
Live Gamer 4K also supported it. And one of their others AFAIK. But they usually don’t support the encoded formats consoles use, so not super useful
Will you be doing any CRT monitors content in the future?
I don’t have any specific plans atm (tho I’m looking at playing Boltgun on one) but they always come up from time to time!
@@EposVox
Just an idea for consideration (pls dont think im being pushy the only reason i bring this up is because no one has done it yet anywhere online, i understand you're a busy man and im not making any demands).
If you ever find the time and interest: could you make a video trying Intel Arc gpus on a CRT? the reason im proposing this is because intel said they support interlaced scanning through HDMI 2.1 , and for most people from poorer countries or just...unlucky, Interlaced resolutions are a godsent to be able to push higher resolutions at good refresh rates on otherwise weak spec'd models, if any Alchemist gpu would support this, it would mean a great deal for people stuck on the 980Ti to finally be able to upgrade.
Well that’s… fascinating. I hadn’t seen it. Definitely gotta try it!
could I technically use one of these cards with internal processing to record high quality Clean HDMI out form my iPhone?
Wouldve loved more info on 1440p240. However, I found out yesterday that I can still play in 1440p240 and send a 1440p120 feed over display cloning onto an elgato 4k60 pro in another pc. Thought you needed an hdmi 2.1 capture card for that.
But it feels not so smover then on the gaming monitor and that's the problem
Display Cloning can sometimes allow you to force a clone with mismatched refresh rates, but it adds way more tearing and will stop working randomly.
@@rudiruessel9816 Didnt experience any changes on the gaming monitor at all. However, Adam is right about the screen tearing. Also somehow the quality looks slightly worse than using NDI, but that might be placebo.
Don't search for it now if you don't feel it all is good for u!
going to move back to 2 PC stream with this release. I like having my UW 1440p but having to cap my frames to 60fps because OBS's GPU usage shoots up is no good :(
I actually would say the limitation maby could be comeing from the broadcast sector keeping prices high on such chips/protecting their investment, also encoding 120fps would be quite hot (remember most company's struggle with 4k multiple encoder chips with out a rack unit/being cheep, passthrough is easier), when bmd can do it the walls should fall tho but waiting you shall because of such reasons 🤔, I want HDMI 2.1 on a bmd device not just for this reason but also because someone will have to convince Dolby to do more vision tunneling, their are multiple people blocking this & possibly patent protections in place too, consumers are not the priority at the current time clearly 🤔
I have the Live Gamer ULTRA - GC553, is there an usb upgrade worth it right now?
It's not cost prohibitive. They need a future product improvement to sell. So, what we get as consumers are incremental updates that we get to pay full price over and over. Once they come out with 120/144 capture cards there's not much more to go for beyond that besides support of future formats like HDR spec updates etc and they'll have to compete on the software side.
What I actually want is a capture card that can actually capture 4K 120hz, can be a PCIe card
Ya I was wondering why you are shooting in 4:3
Hello do u know card that can process input hdmi 1080@50 deep color 12 bit rec 2020 as output raw 4:4:4 RGB 10/12? Yuv2 or P010 is too loose pixel formats. Same I need to process old s-video or component, 4:2:2 or 8 bit processors on cards and yuv2 output also mess where in best cases weave deinterlacing present, maybe there something more color resolution and bit depth capable cards with motion adaptive or 3D motion based cards u can suggest?
great video as usual.
Thanks!
Ohh yeah, black bars left and right. What I love to see that.
How is it with an ultrawide? I have the lg with 1440p 240hz hdr10.
Will I be able to pass it through in an dual pc setup?
I must have the 4k 120hz !
Was really looking forward on seeing a good HDMI 2.1 capture card, yet from what it was shown, I guess its better just to wait a while longer. Dunno why Avermedia ALWAYS does something to screw themselves over, either due of the software or the "not viable" thing with having better 4K specs for capturing...urgh....
Any word on Launch dates?
Nope
9/18/23 🎉
Yo bro, i'm new for recording a gameplay on pc, my friend told me u must record with dual pc for smooth and better look, can u tell me minimum cpu and gpu to record a gameplay with no lag using evgax1r? And can ddr3 pc with 2cores and 2 thread capture 4k60fps with gtx 1650,i think 1650 supports enough 4k60 fps for capturing only? His 1650 just free for me and i can use it, can i blend a dual core cpu and 1650 to record 4k60fps with evga x1?
1440p-240hz live gamer ultra
Predator XB273UGX is there any way to clone or something? And will downgrading from DP to hdmi destroy performance?
On ASUS website it says that is supports VRR. Still cannot buy it anywhere from my quick searches. The lack of 4K 120/144Hz capture, is just milking users, so they can provide a new product next year or so. It would maybe add extra 10$ to the price. There are chips that can do it, just not for cheap stuff yet.
I stopped streaming because of this with my new wqhd 270hz monitor. Its realy sad that their comes nothing. With different hz with cloning i always feel a different to how it feels ingame without streaming.
For the online games like cod, yess….
@@darthlionzh8428yes, I play apex and that is no fun with different Hz cloning.
@@rudiruessel9816 jup… cod was enough fot me….
It seems the El Gato HD60x is the best option until something is better, 4k 60fp yes, variable frame rate yes, 120hz yes, usb 3.0 yes, cheaper than all of the other cards yes. Right now there's a 240hz glitch in windows 11 settings available to HD60x cards in settings. Probably doesn't work but its there
Will these upscale vhs?
No
I mean, you can record 4K 120 and 8K 30 on an Atomos Ninja V+ since 2021. So there is hardware for it. The only thing is that there is no direct connection to the PC via this form, because you record from the Ninja V to an SSD directly. They could do a capture card based on it, even if its PCIE only. What a waste to not have "real" HDMI 2.1 cards :/
My video capture keep freezing how to fix sir 😢
Is there any way you could do a video on how to get OBS to match ACX audiobook settings....? I've been looking everywhere for this and have found literally nothing for OBS Studio. It's all Audacity or Adobe Auditions----one of which I don't want to pay for, the other which is crap. I already have Davinci Resolve and OBS Studio on my laptop and main computer, so I should be able to just make the most of those two. The first thing I haven't been able to figure out is getting stats on a full track's RMS levels. Or how to set a dB range of -23dB to -18dB. So frustrated.
These are the ACX specs.
⏹measure between -23dB and -18dB RMS
⏹have -3dB peak values
⏹ max -60dB noise floor
⏹be a 192kbps or higher
⏹MP3
⏹Constant Bit Rate (CBR)
⏹44.1 kHz
I figured out half of it, and some can't be done until being edited in Davinci, like MP3 export.
I found 44.1 kHz, CBR, and 192 or higher kbps settings and did those. It's the 1st three that are driving me insane, lol.
That kind of loudnesss normalization is really something you should be doing post-recording. But there’s no way in OBS to specifically lock you to such a range. Could gain it up and limit to -3 but it’s cleaner to do in post
the asus is great, been using it for 1 year now
I think the reason why they want to keep with last gen framerates is to purely cater to as many people as possible with slower PCIe lanes.
Motherboards haven't been easy to get during the pandemic, at RRP prices. So the lack of 4k120hz/144hz capture as with the cost of it, might be reflecting this.
That is what I am thinking. I tried to use NDI at a high resolution/framerate and the M.2 SSD probably just isn't fast enough to keep the stutters away. A lot of people don't want to upgrade to PCI-E 4.0 and get a PCI-E SSD that can transfer the data. One of the current capture cards is an easier solution for me. I will probably just use the switch for the camera(s).
I'm not sure how many games even run at 120fps on console. I feel like they often struggle to get them to 60, so having a passthrough for 120 doesn't seem so useful, not yet anyway.
120hz sync is still useful for VRR for games that can run above 60, keeping the lowest latency on your TV, and the competitive games that do run at 120. It’s useful.
@@EposVox Yeah, that's true. I just updated my displays to 4K 144, so having my consoles go through a 2.1 capture card makes sense, I suppose.
Ok so maybe you guys can help me, I have a 4k/165Hz monitor and i want to play my PS5 on my PC at 4k/120hz in a smaller window, is this possible? And what would i need?
Still no comparison on the new AV1 encoders. AMD's still buggy? If I need a card in the next few months, among others for AV1, I'd better get Nvidia?
Less about the buggy ness and more that those are some of the most time-intensive projects I ever do on the channel, and I have had barely any work time for months. Plus, the general conclusion is “don’t worry about it” lol
@@EposVox 'kay! Thanks!
Hello I am korean.
Waited too long for this product to come out
How much do you expect this product to cost?
I hope it doesn't go over $399. ㅠ _ ㅠ
I just want the preview latency to be very low.
I hope for better products soon, once the first products come to the market, competitors will want to release something better... soon(tm)
There is NO WAY that ELGATO DOES NOT COME THRU WITH THE PERFECT SPECS
4K 144Hz, 1440p 360Hz, 1080p 360Hz
I mean, it's completely possible lol. We'll have to wait and see
I have the tuff card and its just ok
These would really go great with a version of that displayport -> displayport + hdmi device that passes through VRR. T_T
Why would'nt you just run NDi accelerated by Nvidia GPU to capture 4K 120 FPS with Audio? Honest question....
Not completely sure but I think NDi only works with PCs, not consoles (which is where the main market for capture cards is in the first place)
240hz passthru would be nice
Hoping for 10-bit 4:2:2
I'm curious why HDMI 2.1 is so expensive that it took companies 3 years to give us something we should have already had not to mention that a lot of TV manufacturers have downgraded their HDMI 2.1 ports from 4 & 5 to 2 & 3 ports due to cost. Fortunately I bought my OLED's before the downgrades so I have the full hdmi ports.
I was thinking of getting one of these just to test it out. Any word on release dates? Does anyone support streaming in such high rates yet? HLS in h.265 or AV1? Prices seem cheap compared to "pro" stuff.
RUclips supports H265 & AV1 over RTMPs. But doesn't support 120fps
100% Correct!
So given that the yuan card you are talking about that does 4K 120 is $1400. i know someone that special ordered one. I think them saying it being prohibitively expensive isn't a lie
The yuan card equivalents of the normal cards from previous gens etc were much more expensive than the gaming versions too iirc
why we in 4:3?
Haha , gotta love over-engineering product title names XD
I know this is a video on 2.1 and 4k60+. Wondered your thoughts on Rode's new Streamer X in this lineup?
I should be getting it in soon! It's a last-gen card, tho. Same specs/chipset as all the USB cards from last summer
What happened to EVGA XR1 PRO? it says it supports HDMI 2.1 officially now, but I cannot use it with an OLED TV, it works with some monitors but only with HDMI 2.0
It supports VRR, not full HDMI 2.1. Poor labeling. It never supported actual HDMI 2.1 specs
@@EposVox I understand now, I tried to reach support multiple times but no response, yours was helpful, at least to know why it won't work. Still not getting why it pass-through doesn't work with any TV
is there even a market for capture cards still?
Of course? The same market there always was
Personally i don't care too much for 4K120 capture cause I don't believe most content creators are recording or streaming 120fps anyway. But i have been BEGGING Elgato for 4K120 passthrough 1080p capture HDR capture cards for YEARS since the new consoles were even announced in the first place. The HD60 X was such a disappointment cause what's the point of VRR if you're not actually using your console to it's full potential.
I want to see display port capture cards for PC capture I'm not into consoles at all I hate controllers been on kbm since Wolfenstein 3D I will never change lol
Asus: Gives me a 360hz 1440p Monitor... and brings a Capture Card like THAT....!? - Theyre trolling right?
1440p360 was never going to work, no HDMI spec supports it
@@EposVox Do Capture Cards need to be HDMI? Honest Question, because i dont understand why you wouldnt want high performance FPS players to stream on your best Monitors.
@@GameTalkEddie They don't HAVE to, but very few DP cards have ever existed and both AVerMedia & Elgato reps have told me that the manufacturing cost of DP is too prohibitive for it being a more niche market compared to HDMI cards (which would work with cameras/consoles/etc). DP can be converted to HDMI, but converting HDMI back up to DP is very problematic.
@@EposVox At least i dont have to look forward to using a capture card again in the next few years with a monitor like that. I was already starting to get exited. Now i know i will be stuck with obs cloning as it seems. Thanks for clearing that up. Still sucks. :D
@@GameTalkEddie OBS Projector Preview, NDI, OBS Teleport, RTC/SRT!
I want 360hz 1080p passthrough
Finally !
Woooo
WHOO!
Kinda want companies to focus on reducing latency for recording for the sake of audio sync.
Avermedia trying to sandbag another generation so people upgrade and buy the hot new.
And just release the real 4K120 next years so people upgrade again.
Some phones can literally record in 8K60 on battery power, as in we already have chips that can handle 4K120 streams.
I want a camlink pro with 4k60.
BlackMagic Decklink Quad HDMI
I would like to see networks like Fox for watching football go to 4k/120 it would be amazing but they are still stuck at 720p hard to watch but a network worth billions you would think would not have a problem upgrading hardware.
They're likely filming most of the sports events at 4k/4k120 already (they do a lot of slowmo anyway w/ higher rates than 120) but the TV broadcast protocol is limited to 720. You're more waiting on TV providers to roll out better infrastructure or 4k120 streaming to become more common (aka AV1 rolling out more)
That’s ATSC standards for ya. It’s very much a standard of 1995…
ATSC 3.0 would be better though, but that’s been slow-going.
@@solarstrike33 It would be nice to update these standards lot has changed sinc 1995 720p was big thing then not so now.
@@stevenanderson3205 That's what ATSC 3.0 is - 4K and 1080p finally! (at 120 Hz, too)
That being said, a big part of why ATSC 3.0's adoption has been slow is because...well, linear TV ain't exactly what it used to be, to say the least.
Can I ask why you use a 1:1 aspect ratio?
I don’t! It’s 4:3!
@@EposVox My bad, need to wipe my glasses lol
Finally
At this stage, capturecards are more and more nishe. With 10gbit lan soon getting to be standard, you might as well pipeline NDI between two pc's.
Videocard manufacturers could also play a role if they wanted to. I can't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to use one of the outputs on a videocard and turn it to an input and vice versa. Being able to pipe a stream from a card to the other and bypass things like HAGS, framegen, reflex and VRR should be a possibility at this stage. Even though the 4060 is the worst card in the history, i'd buy it in a heartbeat if this was possible.
10gbit is still FAR more niche than capture cards, and will be for a very long time. Capture cards are primarily for consoles, cameras, etc., not dual PC. Dual PC has always been niche. But yes, for dual PC, NDI is generally the way to go.
I need 4k120 capture so I can dump Elgato permanently.
Why has the capture card industry moved so slow? Is it like they are worried that.. literally at any moment.. their products would just be made obsolete? (by that I mean suddenly PC gamers would be flushed with strong PCs that can just spend 5% of CPU/GPU to capture directly to disk+stream to RUclips)?
I think it's breathtaking that companies like Elgato can charge scalper-level MSRP prices in- and out- of pandemic and we as consumers never see any of that R&D moneys go back into making EposVox's most basic requests happen in the past four years. I guess we consumers are truly a "captured market" kekekeke.
I guess the only things we should use these captures cards to do are to capture the footage from DSLRs, like that dude on Twitch who doesn't game and just trains some web cam on a platter of petrified ducklings--and just get with the program--spec out and buy a slightly beefier PC so that we can do internal capturing all inside the same gaming PC.
One of the things I noticed, having done a life time of flying and travelling just for work, is that I had to shed things before every flight. Countless beautiful coffee table books and collectables and vintage things had to be left behind just so I can get on the flight without insane carry-on or checked-in baggage fees. So for me, in theory it would be nice to have these dedicated capture cards and the accompanying well shielded cables--but in practice I'd have to go without such an professional set up--I'd force to do it all internally inside the PC anyway. So basically whatever we can fit into a somewhat-travel-friendly SFF PC is all we are allowed.
Anyway, keep rock'n on and rock'n hard EpoxVox, I really appreciated the work you did covering those white box $20 capture cards from three years ago, I bought a pile from Aliexpress and had been limping along with that for far too long, and I think going forward it makes--for me at least, YMMV--far more sense to just let the PC do both the capturing and the streaming.
The current state of things in video capture? All I can say is it reminds me of what tech youtuber MKBHD asked in a new video about 24 hours ago--"is it the negative reviews that kill the terrible product (and the parent company) orr is it the terrible product that killed the company?"
The only feature I really want from these new capture cards right now is cec passthrough for my htpc setup.
Having said that making them uvc devices is amazing, native Linux support is something I've been wanting for way too long, so even if they don't support cec passthrough, I'm still getting one for my desktop.
How old is this video?
Not old. Date is right there below the title lol