Something that they didn't talk about but keralis mentioned is that he has his keyboard sideways and right next to his.mouse.....that to me qualifies his for a weirder vote
@@hiddenunderhatse8094 I think he means he uses a lefthanded mouse and the keyboard is just slightly tilted to be more comfortable. Not like 90 degrees lol. If you try using WASD with the right hand that makes sense (and is honestly more comfortable than lefthanded WASD imo) The main issue is he has to move his whole setup to type I guess
Joe's reasoning behind keybinding throw item to - is that he kept accidentally throwing stuff when he got jumpscared and stuff, so he specifically made the throw item key so far away from his hands, that he can no longer accidentally throw stuff.
and the foot pedal is just kinda streamer tech. one pedal mutes, one sprints and i can't remember what (if anything) the third pedal does but i think it was something streamery.
You really have to watch Mumbo's actual video, because many of them expand on what is in the poll... for example, Cleo's thing says that she sits on the couch, that's fine, but because of that, her mouse is on soda cans (?) and her mic hangs from the wall of the stairs behind her. Update: Cleo made a community post with a picture of her setup, and I gotta say it makes more sense now that I see how it actually looks.
At first when she mentioned the soda I was picturing those 24-pack rectangular enclosed boxes that you'd typically get if you're buying soda from any grocery store (which are long and narrow, because inside the box the cans are packed in a 2x12 grid, which would make for a flat but very narrow surface to work with), but the wording she used was "a flat of soda cans" which makes it sound like maybe some sort of Costco / Sam's Club bulk packaging more like you might expect bottles of Snapple or whatever else to be sold in (I have no idea if they sell soda cans this way or how big they would make the package, but I'm picturing a shallow (like 1/3 the height of a can) open-ended box with maybe a 6x4 grid of cans and with plastic wrap encasing the whole thing to keep them from falling out, which so long as it's unopened she could maybe turn it upside down to use the bottom of the box as a flat and reasonably sized surface). You'd improvise with whatever you've got if there's nothing better to work with. But still... Something about that, whichever way it was meant, does sound like an awkward choice. EDIT: It's been a long time since I last bought those long box packs of soda, actually. Are they 24 or 12 in a pack? 24 seems wrong, thinking about it again after I wrote it.
@@MuljoStpho You can buy soda cans in lots of sizes. 4, 6, 8, 12, 16, 20, etc. Cleo lives in the UK so I'm imagining a relatively small number, not the huge packs you typically see in the US. They could also be large soda cans for more height
cleo drew a picture and it makes way more sense than you think it does, she just sat on a sofa in front of a staircase (which the arm of the microphone is on) and had the keyboard on her knee and the mouse on the flat top of a box of soda, with the monitor(s) on the table in front
There was one moment in the video where Grian said something that no one reacted to. He said that each headset last him about 1 year, meaning, the headset he is so invested in that he wants to make sure he's got a lifetime supply of is so crap quality that they fall apart after just 1 year of regular use.
but you also have to consider a degree of separation. How often does a "normal" person use a headset, compared to a "youtuber" who spends their entire day at the computer needing "quality" sound for proper editing? Plus the hardware details of the setup that means more cords to tangle, and potentially pets who can be disruptive in their own right. And then comes the argument of not knowing the most common form of breaks, coming from someone who is growing increasingly convinced the shape of my head doesnt get along with headphones well, with the most common breaks being a snap between one speaker and the "headband" that holds them together...
You do realize that saying regular use to a person that plays minecraft for a living is an odd phrase right? He probably spends more hours than we can even comprehend using those headsets so they probably breakdown sooner than they would for everybody else. Besides that obviously they aren't crap quality since he said that they're very comfortable for him to use
As a lefty: anyone who uses a mouse with their left hand is an utter freak. You're making things much more difficult for yourself for every game that doesn't support control remapping and when using any computer you use that isn't your own. Just learn the normal way. It's as bizarre and impractical as using a DVORAK keyboard layout. It doesn't matter if it's slightly more efficient, NOTHING is built to support it.
Nah fam I have much better accuracy with my left. Why would I want to to have worse aim? Also no one taught me how to play on keyboard, the game just said use WASD so I did, it felt natural to use WASD with my right hand @@glassbirdfeather
@@YannickBo I still hit "I" for inventory every once in awhile on accident, burned into memory even though it's been a whole lotta years since it worked
@@cschepers I still tend to go to the arrow keys from time to time. Before I played Minecraft I only played racing games and back then almost all used arrow keys. So I wasn't used to WASD and just changed the bindings to what I was used to.
@@cschepers you could put ‘I’ as your throw key so that there is something else to associate with it and maybe it’ll annoy you so much you will stop pressing it lol
See, I was with you on Cleo being way down at the bottom cuz I used to play minecraft on my couch too... Buuut then Cleo explained more about the soda cans and the mic behind her, and then it got weird. Meanwhile, Keralis is just left handed.
"Inverted controls right in the bin - " Hey! I play with inver.... "You might be pushing 40 or whatever" Oh. I'm 42. You can pry my inverted-Y from my cold dead hands.
Yup, there's something in there about age, and whatever your first few "3D" games with view/aim tilt had as default. My first was Ocarina of Time on the N64 and I'm 99% sure the aiming was inverted because that's intuitive for me. 😅 My weird obsession with fringe use-cases is very curious what a person used to puppeting marionettes (and, in an ideal testing environment, without prior experience with video games) would find intuitive, as the "control stick" for a marionette is held horizontally at neutral (like a mouse or thumbstick)(versus a vertical joystick/flightstick) and tilted to mechanically lift/lower the head. Anyone using a mouse on a horizontal surface to move a pointer on a vertical screen (or holding a controller at any reasonably comfortable angle) is already remapping gestures to a different plane (forward->up, backward->down) in their brain even if they aren't inverting controls, but the basic marionette controller is attached to its puppet at a fixed distance via gravity--the mechanism for movement is very 1:1. The gesture to tilt a simple marionette is a bend at the wrist (more like a joystick/flightstick) as opposed to a push-pull (mouse), if the puppet is more complex, the general mechanics to lift something involve shortening a string...but how does a marionette pilot think of that motion? As tilting the front of the stick up like a pointer (regular y-axis), or pressing the back of the stick down/away from the desired movement (inverted y-axis)? If they shorten a string, are they lifting the head (regular), or pulling back on the string away from the puppet (inverted)? If asked, do they imagine the puppet and decide on movements from a first-person (inhabiting the puppet) or 3rd-person (external god controlling the puppet) view? Does that correlate with how they "default" on the y-axis intuition debate? These are questions I doubt will ever be answered, that probably don't need to be answered, and yet I shall marinate in them alllllll day....
@@bsidethebox I think that's a very apt analogy because I think of it as "if my mouse hand were on top of my character's head, how do I control it?" And for me, Goldeneye was the most formative as a kid, then Max Payne, Alice, Halfife - all defaulted to inverted back in the day.
it’s so funny to me that you said impulse and skizz must have played flight simulators because of their inverted controls, because they said they did indeed play flight sims a lot as teenagers (source: the podcast)
I just find it hilarious that people are saying inverted controls are so weird, yet it’s the only thing on the list that two of them do, and it’s a preset option in the game. Maybe I’m just defensive because I use inverted controls as well. My son plays inverted as well, because he started out playing on my account.
@@joemcdonough8318see me and my dad share games and pcs but he can never get me to use inverted controls even thought he does. It’s not weird at all for that age group, not even jsut flight some but anything you might have used a joystick for
Joe started using the foot petal 5 months ago, starting with his 80th episode of Hermitcraft 9. (You can tell because "Foot pedal" are the first two words of the title)
More information was needed. Keralis is left handed. Ren has big hands like mumbo. Cleo’s mouse pad is on soda cans and ethos description is different to mumbos.
@@RobertJW no lol, it's still very unconventional. A thin cardboard box will be bumpy which is bad for a mousepad. There are much better options, like a big wooden cutting board which is sturdy and actually flat. A 1mm piece of carboard placed on a bumpy surface is not good for a mousepad by any means
@@dinghe6948its just (probably) a cardboard box full of soda cans, and its the wall end of the mic that was on the stairs behind the sofa at head height sticking out, she drew a picture its really not that weird
For Etho's mouse, you have all the same movement availability as you do holding it the normal way. I have to say, I tried it and it's not bad. It's kind of comfortable, in a weird way.
I myself have always played like Etho does as well. I have a lower chair than most, so my desk sits higher. Maybe it is because I have trained myself to like it but it's actually much more difficult for me to play in the generic way
As a lot of people has stated, you have to go and watch Mumbo's video as everyone expands upon what was stated in the poll and Cleo's definitely puts her up there.
i dont thank so i thank she just did what she needed to do for the time being and she has sayed that was how she played in the past not how she plays now
I've always been judged for thumb shifting,knowing that mumbi also presses shuft with his thumb is so funny,whats even funnier is,that he is 6,5 and i am 5,1😭
The explanation for Imp and Skizz using inverted mouse is because back in the day they used to play battlefield 2 and the inverted mouse just stuck with them
We apparently missed some details for Cleo’s entry. I don’t remember them all, but it was something like she had her keyboard sitting on her knees and used full soda cans and a mouse pad somehow. Idk but the description in the ranking lists didn’t fully describe it
i actually decided to test ren's keybinds by doing a quick speedrun to get to the nether and it tripped me up the whole time, nearly died in the lava pool too. it is horrendous
So, if you want to talk about games that use 'I' for inventory...you do have to include Minecraft as one of the games that shipped with that key bind. It swapped to E sometime in 2011.
It switched in Beta 1.4 for anyone wanting to know the exact time. Also when the creative inventory was added (that was before the survival inventory) it was bound to B
Especially with the discovery that he not only thumb shifts, but also PRESSES WASD KEYS ONE AT A TIME USING ONE FINGER, I think mumbo is unimpeachably the weirdest. With him, it's not a comfortability or a "I play better like this" thing, he's just an oaf and never learned to play with a keyboard. His gameplay is only made worse by it, and could probably be improved tenfold if he just learned to do it properly.
@@dragonrider7649but False’s is changed to a bit of an inconvenient place just making it slightly weirder than Gem’s (as her controls are just in convenient places)
Even for left-handed, he mostly tries to play right-handed. True left, like me, will mirror the commands to the right side and leave the common keys on the left. Still we both use our mouse with the left hand. I draw, and with most drawing programs, one uses the dominant hand. It messes up drawing if changed for gaming. So, the mouse is left hand, and most keyboard use is with the right.
“Inverted” controls are the original controls for 3D, not just flight sims. Then some *really* weird people inverted it and started calling the OG “inverted”.
@L_ightninng You aren’t moving your mouse “up”, you’re moving it *forward*. In a 3D game the thing being controlled is your head, if tilt/push your head forward, you look down. If you tilt/pull it back, you look up.
@@plynx3765 youre just visualizing it differently than its intended. never have I ever thought about the camera movement as physically moving the top of my head. You just move the camera around like you would the normal mouse on a webpage. Unless you have that inverted too which would be even more weird. If I want the curser to move up, I move the mouse up. If I want the center of my camera to move up, I move the mouse up
@@mrfahrenheit677 3D controls existed long before the 2D desktop (or even computers). In pretty much every scenario, from cranes to planes, backwards = up, and forwards = down. And in all early computer games this intuitive pattern held as well, from Ultima Underworld to System Shock and many other DOS games. It’s only when computer users began computing primarily from windowed operating systems with 2D desktops that the intuition that forward = up developed, which makes sense in a 2D environment meant to mimic a physical desktop in front of you that you move a pointer around. *Those* computer users took their desktop intuition into 3D gaming and got confused. But enough of them existed that by 1996 developers started matching their intuition by default and calling the previously normal scheme “inverted”.
I shift with my thumb, but when I want to shift and jump, my hand just curls up a bit more and my index finger presses the space bar. And if I want to sprint with ctrl, my thumb just shifts pressure from shift to ctrl. The fact that Mumbo shift jumps with his pinky on shift and thumb on space instead of keeping consistent with the thumbshifting is unnerving
I don’t think Cleo’s is that weird. This was not their full time job for those 5 years. Why would they spend money on desk and boom arm and mousepad? Maybe she lived in a very cramped apartment or maybe she didn’t have money for anything extra. Their setup screams frugal to me, not weird.
I'm with False. Inventory used to be on *I* back in the alpha/beta days. At some point they changed it to *E* to be more inline with other games but I switched it back and have kept it that way ever since
0:59 I have a feeling that’s because she used to be a teacher and teachers over here in the uk get paid nothing, I probably get paid more them and I’m only an apprentice software engineer
As far as I know, Joe double-tapped W for sprint up until he switched to the pedal. And I may be hallucinating, but I recall it being because he has other recording/streaming related actions bound to the usual sprint keys.
The thing is I would put mumbo as least weird because I press shift with my thumb (i also got itle hand so the hand size doesn’t play any part) and I use a Apple Mac
Inventory set to "I" is the most normal thing on the list haha. That is the default key for inventory for the majority of games, the fact that minecraft defaults it to "e" is weird
2:45 Ok seriously what is this idea people have about it being wierd, am I missing something? Ive played TONS of games where "i" is inventory. Its objectively the most logical key for it, you always use the first letter if possible. "M" is map in a lot of games. "H" is "HUD". I play with a controller on my computer, (which would probably get me on the list, but its for RA cause its much more ergonomic/easy on my hands Ive found) but I still changed a bunch of the keybinds around cause they were wierd. I use the xbox "y" button to open my inventory though like on the xbox itself, so ive never bothered changing that specific one, but if I ever did Id definitely do that one.
I was raised with 2 left handed people in my family, so they swapped the buttons on the mouse, and have it on the left-hand side, which i got use to with it being the only way i ever used it I also move with arrow keys My crouch is the right hand side shift, and my sprint is right hand side ctrl and space bar. (sprinting is a bit crampy, pointer moves from left arrow to control and thumb to space) To throw things I use backspace, which I feel makes sense To pick a block i use enter
Unbelievable as it is, I will have to defend Etho on his setup choices (except the tissue box mic, someone get this man a boom arm so he can SEE). I have mild scoliosis and use the same configuration of table height and mouse&keyboard location whenever my upper back is being especially disagreeable but I still want to be able to play (or use my pc at all). It keeps your back straight and shoulders aligned really well.
I have a pair of headphones from like... idk... 15 years ago at this stage. Best pair I ever... well actually I still have it. Yea they still work. Taped to crap but they work! I gotta wear a hoodie if I wanna use em BUT THEY WORK! And the soundquality is better than some new ones I got nowadays. I completely get why Grian swears by the oldies in gaming. Based.
To defend one of Etho's quirks. I tried holding the mouse on the sideways angle and it solved a problem for me. I always struggled with where to put the rest of my arm when holding the mouse on a comfortable length, but doing it sideways solves that! Plus it is genuinely comfy- And it's not weird for the brain bc you're still hardwired to how the mouse works, even if it's sideways now.
I did what grian did with a specific pair of flip flops I really like. I have 4 brand new pair in box. They are canvas with nice rubber outsoles on them so they last for years.
I want Martyn to react to Mumbo’s video and rerank them since we learn Keralis is left handed (And Ren, but it’s not as important for him), why Joe has his throw to minus, how much worse Cleo’s set up is, Gem has smol hands, why Grian needed to buy multiple, Skizz and Impluse inverted is only their mouse I THINK, False played back in beta
My friends added me in the mix and put me 4th weirdest bc i number my inventory slots backwards. 9 is the leftmost slot. Also i use C to place/interact, Q to sprint, and ~ to throw
Etho and Mumbo are both very tall people, with Ren coming up next. Etho sits on the floor because sitting at his desk would make using the keyboard impossible. Then again, there was an interesting talk about a moose knocking over his fence. You should listen to that one and the one with Tango.
I find it a little funny that the I for inventory is considered so weird. I did that for quite some time. I played since the first beta version so I was used to it. And when I changed to something else it was only when I changed it to match Subnautica's inventory button (tab) since I played the hell out of that game.
It was fun hearing your perspective of this. It all came about on Tango's stream. That was really fun. We all learned something new about the Hermits. LOL You didn't share anything you do weird for MC sake? LOL
I don't know if anything I do is weird tbh. Perspective swap is left alt, run on R and aside from that my 8th and 9th hotbar slot are bound to a mouse thumb button each as they're hard to reach correctly without looking away from the screen. I think mine are pretty chill? Idk
Used to have keyboard trays but then my desk was replaced for the cheapest option available and it no longer fits/works - so now that it's proper desktop, and my hands are bent up at the elbows to fit because my chairs to low. I'm seriously thinking of replacing my computer chair with a barstool.
This survey failed to say that Cleo has her keyboard on her knees while she sits cross legged on ger couch with her mouse pad on some soda cans and her mic handing off the stairs behind her
Some old head phone is actually better than the newer one due to restriction of some component or material that make it better, which mean it cannot be made in the same quality again.
I can switch on the fly from gaming controls to flight controls, so when games have inverted cameras or gaming controls on a plane, I find it weird (especially if you can't change the settings)
I also use i for inventory because that's what it starts with and I accidentally press it when trying to move if it's on E I also have my throw button on P because similarly I kept accidentally hitting Q and throwing my items so I wanted it as far away from WASD as possible
Now I feel like either people would be super weirded out or just super chill with the fact that I’ve reversed left and right click and shift and command. The mouse is bc I’m used to playing on switch where ZR is hit/mine and ZL is use/place. And then it just makes more sense to me for shift to sprint.
I'M HAPPY WITH THIS. THESE ARE MY CHOSEN OFFICIAL RESULTS.
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As Keralis said himself, “Thank you for the invite to this freak show… I’m just left handed” 💀💀💀
Something that they didn't talk about but keralis mentioned is that he has his keyboard sideways and right next to his.mouse.....that to me qualifies his for a weirder vote
When i first saw this list thats exactly what i said!!!!! Mans just left handed leave him alone!!!!!!
Crazy how there are 3 left handed people in this list
@@hiddenunderhatse8094 they're just aligned with his arms
@@hiddenunderhatse8094 I think he means he uses a lefthanded mouse and the keyboard is just slightly tilted to be more comfortable. Not like 90 degrees lol. If you try using WASD with the right hand that makes sense (and is honestly more comfortable than lefthanded WASD imo)
The main issue is he has to move his whole setup to type I guess
Joe's reasoning behind keybinding throw item to - is that he kept accidentally throwing stuff when he got jumpscared and stuff, so he specifically made the throw item key so far away from his hands, that he can no longer accidentally throw stuff.
Oh, I throw stuff ALL THE TIME just by misclicking. That's super smart, might do that.
I had the same problem so I switched my throw item to p
@@That_Woodchuckoh saaaame! P is a much better place if you don’t want to accidentally toss tools into lava lmao
and the foot pedal is just kinda streamer tech. one pedal mutes, one sprints and i can't remember what (if anything) the third pedal does but i think it was something streamery.
@@Mordraith He uses it to change obs scenes I think
I love how Mumbo just basically omitted Keralis being left handed lol
To be fair he also omitted himself being left handed lol I think he just forgets why it’s important to mention
yeah, although he probably just forgot that people might not know
While making the poll, he didn't know the reasoning was being left handed. So only people who could've figured it out would see it an not-wierd.
even I'm Left-handed But Thats just Wierd I Play Minecraft Normaly
@@altaccount----4 you are the Mumbo in this situation. Left handed but adapted to right hand system.
You really have to watch Mumbo's actual video, because many of them expand on what is in the poll... for example, Cleo's thing says that she sits on the couch, that's fine, but because of that, her mouse is on soda cans (?) and her mic hangs from the wall of the stairs behind her.
Update: Cleo made a community post with a picture of her setup, and I gotta say it makes more sense now that I see how it actually looks.
At first when she mentioned the soda I was picturing those 24-pack rectangular enclosed boxes that you'd typically get if you're buying soda from any grocery store (which are long and narrow, because inside the box the cans are packed in a 2x12 grid, which would make for a flat but very narrow surface to work with), but the wording she used was "a flat of soda cans" which makes it sound like maybe some sort of Costco / Sam's Club bulk packaging more like you might expect bottles of Snapple or whatever else to be sold in (I have no idea if they sell soda cans this way or how big they would make the package, but I'm picturing a shallow (like 1/3 the height of a can) open-ended box with maybe a 6x4 grid of cans and with plastic wrap encasing the whole thing to keep them from falling out, which so long as it's unopened she could maybe turn it upside down to use the bottom of the box as a flat and reasonably sized surface).
You'd improvise with whatever you've got if there's nothing better to work with. But still... Something about that, whichever way it was meant, does sound like an awkward choice.
EDIT: It's been a long time since I last bought those long box packs of soda, actually. Are they 24 or 12 in a pack? 24 seems wrong, thinking about it again after I wrote it.
@@MuljoStpho You can buy soda cans in lots of sizes. 4, 6, 8, 12, 16, 20, etc. Cleo lives in the UK so I'm imagining a relatively small number, not the huge packs you typically see in the US. They could also be large soda cans for more height
The microphone from the stairs makes so much sense though and so does using boxes of soda for the mouse idk maybe I'm also weird but I understand
yeah most of the descriptions were good enough in the poll, but cleo's sounded so normal...then the video came out
cleo drew a picture and it makes way more sense than you think it does, she just sat on a sofa in front of a staircase (which the arm of the microphone is on) and had the keyboard on her knee and the mouse on the flat top of a box of soda, with the monitor(s) on the table in front
There was one moment in the video where Grian said something that no one reacted to.
He said that each headset last him about 1 year, meaning, the headset he is so invested in that he wants to make sure he's got a lifetime supply of is so crap quality that they fall apart after just 1 year of regular use.
Idk maybe he's got a weird shaped head so those fit best 😂🤷🏼♀️
meanwhile my studio-quality headset used to be my dads and is about 15 years old (not sure but i would guess 15)😅
but you also have to consider a degree of separation. How often does a "normal" person use a headset, compared to a "youtuber" who spends their entire day at the computer needing "quality" sound for proper editing? Plus the hardware details of the setup that means more cords to tangle, and potentially pets who can be disruptive in their own right.
And then comes the argument of not knowing the most common form of breaks, coming from someone who is growing increasingly convinced the shape of my head doesnt get along with headphones well, with the most common breaks being a snap between one speaker and the "headband" that holds them together...
You do realize that saying regular use to a person that plays minecraft for a living is an odd phrase right? He probably spends more hours than we can even comprehend using those headsets so they probably breakdown sooner than they would for everybody else. Besides that obviously they aren't crap quality since he said that they're very comfortable for him to use
Another thing to remember : Grian's a cat whisperer. And as we know, cats tend to damage stuff.
Why did no one tell him that Keralis is left handed 😂
I'd argue because it's funnier that way.
As a lefty: anyone who uses a mouse with their left hand is an utter freak. You're making things much more difficult for yourself for every game that doesn't support control remapping and when using any computer you use that isn't your own. Just learn the normal way.
It's as bizarre and impractical as using a DVORAK keyboard layout. It doesn't matter if it's slightly more efficient, NOTHING is built to support it.
Nah fam I have much better accuracy with my left. Why would I want to to have worse aim?
Also no one taught me how to play on keyboard, the game just said use WASD so I did, it felt natural to use WASD with my right hand @@glassbirdfeather
@@mattmanncanbut.. your mouse in on the right side of the keyboard, so that means you’re like- you’ve got your arms crossed over..
@@L-ghtlessSky um....I'm left handed, so the mouse is in fact not on the right side of the keyboard
Inventory changed from I to E back in beta 1.4, its such an old holdover that it tells you exactly how long someone's played Minecraft lol
I was playing back then, I just adjusted to e.
I always reassign it to I
Was it that early? I first started playing Beta 1.7.3, and I swear that inventory was still 'I' since I still play to this day with it rebound to 'I'.
I love how Martyn thinks having inventory as 'i' is worse than someone literally shifting with his thumb xD
Also it's important to mention that i was the default keybind from Indev to Beta 1.4
@@YannickBo I still hit "I" for inventory every once in awhile on accident, burned into memory even though it's been a whole lotta years since it worked
@@cschepers I still tend to go to the arrow keys from time to time. Before I played Minecraft I only played racing games and back then almost all used arrow keys. So I wasn't used to WASD and just changed the bindings to what I was used to.
@@cschepers you could put ‘I’ as your throw key so that there is something else to associate with it and maybe it’ll annoy you so much you will stop pressing it lol
I'm a thumb shifter and even I think it's weird and impractical
See, I was with you on Cleo being way down at the bottom cuz I used to play minecraft on my couch too... Buuut then Cleo explained more about the soda cans and the mic behind her, and then it got weird.
Meanwhile, Keralis is just left handed.
"Inverted controls right in the bin - "
Hey! I play with inver....
"You might be pushing 40 or whatever"
Oh. I'm 42. You can pry my inverted-Y from my cold dead hands.
Yup, there's something in there about age, and whatever your first few "3D" games with view/aim tilt had as default. My first was Ocarina of Time on the N64 and I'm 99% sure the aiming was inverted because that's intuitive for me. 😅
My weird obsession with fringe use-cases is very curious what a person used to puppeting marionettes (and, in an ideal testing environment, without prior experience with video games) would find intuitive, as the "control stick" for a marionette is held horizontally at neutral (like a mouse or thumbstick)(versus a vertical joystick/flightstick) and tilted to mechanically lift/lower the head. Anyone using a mouse on a horizontal surface to move a pointer on a vertical screen (or holding a controller at any reasonably comfortable angle) is already remapping gestures to a different plane (forward->up, backward->down) in their brain even if they aren't inverting controls, but the basic marionette controller is attached to its puppet at a fixed distance via gravity--the mechanism for movement is very 1:1. The gesture to tilt a simple marionette is a bend at the wrist (more like a joystick/flightstick) as opposed to a push-pull (mouse), if the puppet is more complex, the general mechanics to lift something involve shortening a string...but how does a marionette pilot think of that motion? As tilting the front of the stick up like a pointer (regular y-axis), or pressing the back of the stick down/away from the desired movement (inverted y-axis)? If they shorten a string, are they lifting the head (regular), or pulling back on the string away from the puppet (inverted)? If asked, do they imagine the puppet and decide on movements from a first-person (inhabiting the puppet) or 3rd-person (external god controlling the puppet) view? Does that correlate with how they "default" on the y-axis intuition debate?
These are questions I doubt will ever be answered, that probably don't need to be answered, and yet I shall marinate in them alllllll day....
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I think that's a very apt analogy because I think of it as "if my mouse hand were on top of my character's head, how do I control it?"
And for me, Goldeneye was the most formative as a kid, then Max Payne, Alice, Halfife - all defaulted to inverted back in the day.
it’s so funny to me that you said impulse and skizz must have played flight simulators because of their inverted controls, because they said they did indeed play flight sims a lot as teenagers (source: the podcast)
not really flight sims, they played Battlefield and used Helicopters a lot. Impy was the pilot and Skizz gunner.
I just find it hilarious that people are saying inverted controls are so weird, yet it’s the only thing on the list that two of them do, and it’s a preset option in the game.
Maybe I’m just defensive because I use inverted controls as well. My son plays inverted as well, because he started out playing on my account.
@@joemcdonough8318 i mean, inverted is objectively pretty weird, only a tiny minority of people use it
@@joemcdonough8318see me and my dad share games and pcs but he can never get me to use inverted controls even thought he does. It’s not weird at all for that age group, not even jsut flight some but anything you might have used a joystick for
Also the video itself, that was their explanation for it
But to be fair, Mumbo, Ren and Keralis are left-handed 😁
ok but mumbo plays right handed but he just contorts his thumb, its different
Grian doesn’t do left-handed unless he’s showing how weird it looks
As a leftie, I love how (I think) every left-handed hermit was in the "freak show" of Hermitcraft
@@TussockyBongo57 Keralis was so annoyed /lh
@@TussockyBongo57 All the lefties were there, and all for different reasons lol
Joe started using the foot petal 5 months ago, starting with his 80th episode of Hermitcraft 9. (You can tell because "Foot pedal" are the first two words of the title)
ngl cleo is worse now that I know THEIR MOUSE WAS ON SODA CANS (i’d say below mumbo or joe)
and their mic is dangling from the staircase!
@@bprocrastthat too
i mean they were a teacher for those years, so her sich was messy
They said mousepad on top
@@sille25Yeah, Cleo's is 100% "I don't have a lot of space and this is comfortable". You do what you gotta do
More information was needed. Keralis is left handed. Ren has big hands like mumbo. Cleo’s mouse pad is on soda cans and ethos description is different to mumbos.
People are getting way too hung up on the soda cans! Soda cans come in a BOX. The top is a perfect flat plane and size for a mousepad.
@@RobertJW no lol, it's still very unconventional. A thin cardboard box will be bumpy which is bad for a mousepad. There are much better options, like a big wooden cutting board which is sturdy and actually flat. A 1mm piece of carboard placed on a bumpy surface is not good for a mousepad by any means
@@mrfahrenheit677 That depends on the mouse pad. A thick enough neoprene will settle perfectly flat above a box of cans.
i just realized i filled this form out backwards i am so sorry to cleo i diddnt mean to put them at most weird lamo
no cleo is worse. trust. Mouse was on full soda cans and mic is dangling from stairs.
Watch Mumbo's most recent video for more context
@@dinghe6948Mouse was on mousepad on sodacans (Not that weird if it's flat)
@@dinghe6948its just (probably) a cardboard box full of soda cans, and its the wall end of the mic that was on the stairs behind the sofa at head height sticking out, she drew a picture its really not that weird
@@riztiz the point is that there are better options. its very unconventional
I'd love to see you react to the actual episode Mumbo put out where they rank themselves because it gives so much more context 😂
1:00 and then you watch them discuss it and find out cleo's thing was weirder than was written in the questioniare
I cannot express how desperately I need pictures of all these set ups
For Etho's mouse, you have all the same movement availability as you do holding it the normal way. I have to say, I tried it and it's not bad. It's kind of comfortable, in a weird way.
I myself have always played like Etho does as well. I have a lower chair than most, so my desk sits higher. Maybe it is because I have trained myself to like it but it's actually much more difficult for me to play in the generic way
0:18 “that’s because mumbo is like 7’8 and his finger is the length of a regular person’s arm” MUMBO’S ALSO EITHER AN ALTERNATE OR SLENDERMAN
You need to watch Mumbos in game reveal. Cleo's is worse then it seems on here
They posted a drawn diagram of it and it’s really not as bad as it seems in the video!
@@mayvalley Nah, it still is
After seeing Mumbo’s video, more context for Etho and Cleo was needed to get the full picture in this poll.
to be fair, keralis is left handed
As a lot of people has stated, you have to go and watch Mumbo's video as everyone expands upon what was stated in the poll and Cleo's definitely puts her up there.
i dont thank so i thank she just did what she needed to do for the time being and she has sayed that was how she played in the past not how she plays now
In case someone else wasn't said it, Etho has a pic of his set up at the end of his latest hermitcraft episode
"Mumbo is like 7'8" and his fingers are the length of a person's arms" - InTheLittleWood 2024
I've always been judged for thumb shifting,knowing that mumbi also presses shuft with his thumb is so funny,whats even funnier is,that he is 6,5 and i am 5,1😭
"Mumbos seven foot eight and his fingers are the length of a normal persons arm" had me rolling on the floor
The explanation for Imp and Skizz using inverted mouse is because back in the day they used to play battlefield 2 and the inverted mouse just stuck with them
joe does the minus so he doesnt accidentally throw his key when he gets creeper jump scared so its intentionally difficult to hit without looking
I used to be the default inventory mapping in old versions of Minecraft so it totally makes sense from this perspective
4:37 OH, the "-" key for drop makes total sense, you never accidentally throw it, and its a very logical "drop" key
We apparently missed some details for Cleo’s entry. I don’t remember them all, but it was something like she had her keyboard sitting on her knees and used full soda cans and a mouse pad somehow. Idk but the description in the ranking lists didn’t fully describe it
Might have to watch Mumbos video, all of them elaborate on their entries a bit more
They/them*
@@kasity she/they, actually
@@GoldenJayTimeoh i'm sorry I didn't know
@@kasityThen don’t correct people?
"This isn't a Boeing 747 this is Minecraft"
I feel like in pretty much any other context this quote is weird as hell, and I love it for that
i actually decided to test ren's keybinds by doing a quick speedrun to get to the nether and it tripped me up the whole time, nearly died in the lava pool too. it is horrendous
So, if you want to talk about games that use 'I' for inventory...you do have to include Minecraft as one of the games that shipped with that key bind. It swapped to E sometime in 2011.
It switched in Beta 1.4 for anyone wanting to know the exact time. Also when the creative inventory was added (that was before the survival inventory) it was bound to B
@@YannickBo Thanks! I couldn't actually find any details aside from a thread in the old Minecraft forums of people asking about the change.
@@zachwillett5853 Just look on the Minecraft wiki (the new one) On the page for inventory in the history section
Especially with the discovery that he not only thumb shifts, but also PRESSES WASD KEYS ONE AT A TIME USING ONE FINGER, I think mumbo is unimpeachably the weirdest. With him, it's not a comfortability or a "I play better like this" thing, he's just an oaf and never learned to play with a keyboard. His gameplay is only made worse by it, and could probably be improved tenfold if he just learned to do it properly.
I feel like out of all of then False is the least weird, lol!
I personally think gem is the least weird, then false
@@Bengt2509 That's fair. I just said that about False because it's just her inventory that's changed lol!
@@dragonrider7649but False’s is changed to a bit of an inconvenient place just making it slightly weirder than Gem’s (as her controls are just in convenient places)
@@BananaWasTaken She just uses the old keybind - it was i in Indev and only got changed to E in Beta 1.4
Keralis setup is simply because he’s left handed… the weird part is that… he’s left handed.
Even for left-handed, he mostly tries to play right-handed. True left, like me, will mirror the commands to the right side and leave the common keys on the left. Still we both use our mouse with the left hand. I draw, and with most drawing programs, one uses the dominant hand. It messes up drawing if changed for gaming. So, the mouse is left hand, and most keyboard use is with the right.
Note: Keralis, Rendog and Mumbo are left-handed
“Inverted” controls are the original controls for 3D, not just flight sims. Then some *really* weird people inverted it and started calling the OG “inverted”.
I dunno, because the "normal" controls made more sense? Or at least it became so mainstream, calling the majority "inverter" would feel kinda weird
Because it makes infinitely more sense how it is now, you move mouse left and you move left, you move mouse up and you move up
@L_ightninng You aren’t moving your mouse “up”, you’re moving it *forward*. In a 3D game the thing being controlled is your head, if tilt/push your head forward, you look down. If you tilt/pull it back, you look up.
@@plynx3765 youre just visualizing it differently than its intended. never have I ever thought about the camera movement as physically moving the top of my head. You just move the camera around like you would the normal mouse on a webpage. Unless you have that inverted too which would be even more weird. If I want the curser to move up, I move the mouse up. If I want the center of my camera to move up, I move the mouse up
@@mrfahrenheit677 3D controls existed long before the 2D desktop (or even computers). In pretty much every scenario, from cranes to planes, backwards = up, and forwards = down. And in all early computer games this intuitive pattern held as well, from Ultima Underworld to System Shock and many other DOS games. It’s only when computer users began computing primarily from windowed operating systems with 2D desktops that the intuition that forward = up developed, which makes sense in a 2D environment meant to mimic a physical desktop in front of you that you move a pointer around. *Those* computer users took their desktop intuition into 3D gaming and got confused. But enough of them existed that by 1996 developers started matching their intuition by default and calling the previously normal scheme “inverted”.
The worst part of Etho’s position is he’s over 6 foot. A giant man sitting looking like a baby
Oh what I wouldn't give to see Etho, Doc, and Mumbo, the lumbering giants of HC, hanging out together
I shift with my thumb, but when I want to shift and jump, my hand just curls up a bit more and my index finger presses the space bar. And if I want to sprint with ctrl, my thumb just shifts pressure from shift to ctrl. The fact that Mumbo shift jumps with his pinky on shift and thumb on space instead of keeping consistent with the thumbshifting is unnerving
im so glad im not the only one. im absolutely betrayed by mumbos lack of consistency smh
So if you want to shift jump and strafe up right, what do you do? Shift your whole hand over?
@@SirDukeThe3rd index finger on space, middle finger on D, ring finger on W, thumb on shift. My hand just curls over my thumb more lol
@@ZuiVeemo you may be satan
I don’t think Cleo’s is that weird. This was not their full time job for those 5 years. Why would they spend money on desk and boom arm and mousepad? Maybe she lived in a very cramped apartment or maybe she didn’t have money for anything extra. Their setup screams frugal to me, not weird.
5:21
Joe put trow on "-" because he would keep accidentally trowing stuff, so he changed it in order to avoid that.
I'm with False. Inventory used to be on *I* back in the alpha/beta days. At some point they changed it to *E* to be more inline with other games but I switched it back and have kept it that way ever since
LOL i would love to see the reaction to Mumbo's video where everyone explains themselves (or tries to)
0:59 I have a feeling that’s because she used to be a teacher and teachers over here in the uk get paid nothing, I probably get paid more them and I’m only an apprentice software engineer
Etho has a picture of his desk (his desk!) in his last video (including the tissue box)
Now i want to see matryn react to mumbos latest video when everyone is put on the pedestal of shame and explain themselves
If I remember correctly, the first default key for inventory was "i" before it was updated around 2011.
This needs a sequel with Martyn reacting to the actual video lol
As far as I know, Joe double-tapped W for sprint up until he switched to the pedal.
And I may be hallucinating, but I recall it being because he has other recording/streaming related actions bound to the usual sprint keys.
The thing is I would put mumbo as least weird because I press shift with my thumb (i also got itle hand so the hand size doesn’t play any part) and I use a Apple Mac
Me too, thumb shifters for the win!
The headphones thing for Grian may be weird, but keep in mind that the brand of headphones he is using are discontinued.
Inventory set to "I" is the most normal thing on the list haha. That is the default key for inventory for the majority of games, the fact that minecraft defaults it to "e" is weird
If only this had included Mumbo using only his index finger to press the directional keys one at a time.
2:45 Ok seriously what is this idea people have about it being wierd, am I missing something? Ive played TONS of games where "i" is inventory. Its objectively the most logical key for it, you always use the first letter if possible. "M" is map in a lot of games. "H" is "HUD".
I play with a controller on my computer, (which would probably get me on the list, but its for RA cause its much more ergonomic/easy on my hands Ive found) but I still changed a bunch of the keybinds around cause they were wierd. I use the xbox "y" button to open my inventory though like on the xbox itself, so ive never bothered changing that specific one, but if I ever did Id definitely do that one.
I still maintain that using thumb to shift isn’t that weird because I’ve always done that
what do you do to crouch jump then, do you break your pinky?
@@Bengt2509 I'd assume the same as what Mumbo does, uses his pinky to press shift for just that one instance so his thumb can hit space.
I do too!
Oh...I thought people were freaking out about Mumbo's sprint being Shift, I do the same thing as Mumbo...and Alt is sprint.
The five year old tissue box is pretty grim lmaooooo
I was raised with 2 left handed people in my family, so they swapped the buttons on the mouse, and have it on the left-hand side, which i got use to with it being the only way i ever used it
I also move with arrow keys
My crouch is the right hand side shift, and my sprint is right hand side ctrl and space bar. (sprinting is a bit crampy, pointer moves from left arrow to control and thumb to space)
To throw things I use backspace, which I feel makes sense
To pick a block i use enter
Unbelievable as it is, I will have to defend Etho on his setup choices (except the tissue box mic, someone get this man a boom arm so he can SEE). I have mild scoliosis and use the same configuration of table height and mouse&keyboard location whenever my upper back is being especially disagreeable but I still want to be able to play (or use my pc at all). It keeps your back straight and shoulders aligned really well.
A thousand context is needed here
Etho can never do a face reveal ever at this point. Everytime he shares anything about himself everyone just points and goes weird 😂😂😂
I have a pair of headphones from like... idk... 15 years ago at this stage. Best pair I ever... well actually I still have it. Yea they still work. Taped to crap but they work! I gotta wear a hoodie if I wanna use em BUT THEY WORK! And the soundquality is better than some new ones I got nowadays. I completely get why Grian swears by the oldies in gaming. Based.
It’s the bulk buying that makes it weird
To defend one of Etho's quirks. I tried holding the mouse on the sideways angle and it solved a problem for me. I always struggled with where to put the rest of my arm when holding the mouse on a comfortable length, but doing it sideways solves that! Plus it is genuinely comfy- And it's not weird for the brain bc you're still hardwired to how the mouse works, even if it's sideways now.
2:20 He said they are so cheap they only last about a year a piece before they fall apart lol. How could those be comfortable??
i mean cheap doesnt mean uncomfortable lol, if anything theres lots of soft leathers that wear out faster but feel nicer than harder leathers
Now this is interesting
I did what grian did with a specific pair of flip flops I really like. I have 4 brand new pair in box. They are canvas with nice rubber outsoles on them so they last for years.
in defense of Etho's right angle mouse thing, it actually is really comfortable! i recently did it at work and i do it frequently
Joe Hills got the foot pedal thing from Impulse.
Should’ve done a video reacting to mumbos video as they explained more
I want Martyn to react to Mumbo’s video and rerank them since we learn Keralis is left handed (And Ren, but it’s not as important for him), why Joe has his throw to minus, how much worse Cleo’s set up is, Gem has smol hands, why Grian needed to buy multiple, Skizz and Impluse inverted is only their mouse I THINK, False played back in beta
My friends added me in the mix and put me 4th weirdest bc i number my inventory slots backwards. 9 is the leftmost slot. Also i use C to place/interact, Q to sprint, and ~ to throw
Im scared of you
You're #1 to me.
@@Flounder4688 well you see when you shift something from your inventory to your hotbar it goes in the rightmost slot, so that's why
Etho and Mumbo are both very tall people, with Ren coming up next. Etho sits on the floor because sitting at his desk would make using the keyboard impossible. Then again, there was an interesting talk about a moose knocking over his fence. You should listen to that one and the one with Tango.
I find it a little funny that the I for inventory is considered so weird. I did that for quite some time. I played since the first beta version so I was used to it. And when I changed to something else it was only when I changed it to match Subnautica's inventory button (tab) since I played the hell out of that game.
I used to play using arrow keys, h for hit, I for inventory, b for sneak, n for sprint, d for drop, and the trackpad to look around
i feel Martyn took the up to his armpits too seriously haha
Ethos write up did him dirty, Mumbo wrote it to sound as horrendous as possible lmao "desk up to ARMPITS microphone OBSCURING VEIW OF KEYBOARD
It was fun hearing your perspective of this. It all came about on Tango's stream. That was really fun. We all learned something new about the Hermits. LOL You didn't share anything you do weird for MC sake? LOL
I don't know if anything I do is weird tbh. Perspective swap is left alt, run on R and aside from that my 8th and 9th hotbar slot are bound to a mouse thumb button each as they're hard to reach correctly without looking away from the screen. I think mine are pretty chill? Idk
@@inthelittleshorts Ok ya. That is pretty chill. I'm a very plain MC player. I don't do anything weird at all. LOL Thanks Martyn.
OHHHHHH he doesnt have a lot of space for his mouse to move so thats why he plays on high sensitivity
i literally have perspective key mapped to R and used to have sprint mapped at caps lock... Nice Gem!!
Thumb shifting is perfectly comfortable even when you don't have big hands, I don't know what you're talking about
its not uncomfortable, just not practical cuz you are putting your entire hand away from most of the rest of the keyboard (and ofc space)
@@lolickypeepee23xdd6 it's comfort out ways it's flaws
as a thumb shifter, the injustice we face is palpable
I understand false having inventory as i since it was the original key to open inventory back in alpha until it was changed to e I dont know when
Used to have keyboard trays but then my desk was replaced for the cheapest option available and it no longer fits/works - so now that it's proper desktop, and my hands are bent up at the elbows to fit because my chairs to low. I'm seriously thinking of replacing my computer chair with a barstool.
I also have sprint mapped to caps lock, cos I kept getting confused when it was some other key.
This survey failed to say that Cleo has her keyboard on her knees while she sits cross legged on ger couch with her mouse pad on some soda cans and her mic handing off the stairs behind her
Ren's is thing is something I've thought of doing, but quickly abandoned since I'd have to rebind every single time I play a new game.
i use wasd shift control space, all the basic keybinds except: drop mapped to delete, pick block mapped to p, use item mapped to y.
Some old head phone is actually better than the newer one due to restriction of some component or material that make it better, which mean it cannot be made in the same quality again.
I can switch on the fly from gaming controls to flight controls, so when games have inverted cameras or gaming controls on a plane, I find it weird (especially if you can't change the settings)
The more I think about Joe the less weird and more genius it sounds.
Highly recommend checking out a secret life song called monster
I also use i for inventory because that's what it starts with and I accidentally press it when trying to move if it's on E
I also have my throw button on P because similarly I kept accidentally hitting Q and throwing my items so I wanted it as far away from WASD as possible
Etho uploaded a picture of his desk setup in his most recent video at the end (as of 03/19/2024) "HC S10e5"
Now I feel like either people would be super weirded out or just super chill with the fact that I’ve reversed left and right click and shift and command. The mouse is bc I’m used to playing on switch where ZR is hit/mine and ZL is use/place. And then it just makes more sense to me for shift to sprint.