Hi, it was pleasure to see ski racers to ski, very beautiful precise movement. I am practicing my legs synchronous at low speed now, it very difficult to stay very parallel during initiation of the turn. So I have a question, do weight transfer to the new outside ski happens before rolling to the downhill edge? Or Rolling first and transfer weight later? Or synchronous?
Excellent question. In the wedge both skis are on their Big Toe Ede's. Your weight transfer is from your old outside ski BTE to the new outside ski BTE. Therefore switching over to parallel turning this needs to change. You should go from your old outside ski BTE to you new outside ski Little Toe Edge. One of my favorite drills, you can find it in many of my videos, is the "Javelin Turn". In this drill you pick up the inside ski and slightly rotate it so that the tip aligns over the tip of the outside ski while you at the same time press the inside boot against the outside and tip your inside leg knee into the turn. Now, the important part relating to this discussion, as you come to the transition where you put your lifted inside ski back on the snow be sure to lay it down on its LTE side of the ski while at the same time you pick your old outside ski up off the snow. This is commonly nowadays called the "release". This is also the traditional weight transfer that so many nowadays try to avoid to mention in modern teaching. In the good old days the word weight transfer was very important. It is at the weight transfer for example that we make the pole plant. In wedging we do not use a pole plant but in the next step, the stem turn we use the pole plant at this very moment. Same in parallel turns and when carving even if its popular not to use pole plant when carving. An other interesting thing is that kids today learn to carve straight from wedging. They skip the basic parallel turn entirely. This is because wedging and carving are closely related as they need no up-unweighting movement to go from one turn to the next. In wedging you only use a weight transfer from one ski to the other while in carving you only tip your skis on edge and let them make the turn for you. So no need to go up and then down again through leg extension. However, now we come to the important part relating to your question. In carving, as you may well be referring to in your question, stepping onto the LTE of the old inside ski after releasing the old outside ski from its BTE, it takes a while for your new outside ski to roll over from the LTE to the BTE compared to a normal skidded parallel turn where the weight transfer is quite instant. As a result your pole plant, that should be timed to the weight transfer comes early in the turn compared to a normal parallel turn. So, I always get the question "when" to make the pole plant in carving and the answer is "at weight transfer". Or, the "release" if you prefer that kind of expression better. Anyway, very early, at transition so to speak. Not when your skis are starting to turn. Then its too late. Hope this helps. Cheers, Tom
@@Triggerboy62Thank you so much for your detailed answer. So you suggest to transfer weight as early as possible to the new out ski on LTE, then begin to rolling both skis, right ? One more question, do advanced skier need to still practice both methods? as I can see some drills such as white pass turn, with which you can only rolling before transfer weight, but these are the drills only for practicing but not for competition right ?
Awesome exercise. I use it too with the kids I coach but I put it just below the knee so that the legs remain parallel. The risk to have it too low is that the legs are not parallel like in the video.
I try to do for my 2 boots always just touching to have the illusion of the skis parallel. I feel doing this is more secure than to attach boots with band which is more problematic in case of lost of control, I don't have a so good level as the very good skiers.
我是一个来自中国北京的滑雪爱好者，稍微能听懂一点英文。我没有用BOOTY BAND来练习这个动作，只是试着让双脚并拢得窄一些，我觉得速度慢的时候很难转弯，就像在视频第15秒左右开始的那样，我加上引身（起身）的动作也无法完成转弯，why？您可不可以具体讲一下如何做到“using upper body and leg movements momentum and reaction forces”？很喜欢您的视频，很多的练习动作，在中国教练不会讲这么多的练习方法，非常感谢
Thank you for watching. Greetings to Beijing. I've been there many times but never skiing. Hope to ski one day in China. I'm not really sure if I understand you correctly but skiing at slow speeds is difficult. Because you need momentum to turn and when you are skiing slowly there are not many ways of creating momentum other than by extending your legs and making a small pivot. Check out my video 3 Levels of Parallel Skiing. And many other as well. Check my playlist for easy tutorials. In your case using a booty band would make it very difficult. Try without. reg. Tom
@@JB91710 Hey JB: you must be a lonely guy!!! There is not need to be so aggressive! Truth is that there is a coded language that save to that understand it a lot of time. We are not talking to students here, or picking up clients, (at least me), so the way each of us translates this, that for you is "jabber" to our students, has nothing to do with the way we talk to each other. I could give you many triggering inputs I give to my pupils, that arte a lot more correct that the but BS you post, but this is a Pro group, or so I thought, and you are not paying me.
Please expand on the new school narrow racing look, comparing the old school narrow ski instructor look to todays racers a la Shriferrin or Hirscher does not compute. there may be some value to this exercise but I fail to see what you say is connected. I'm PSIA level 3 and USSA level 3/ National level. coach.
@@Triggerboy62 I guess it depends on how you define "wide" I never advocated the old ultra wide stance promoted in the late 80s early 90s, I always thought it was artifical . To me a wide stance is a natural feet under hips stance ala the WC today being able to double carve and they can get pretty wide at times of course situation determines this. I still look to Ms Shifferin as the best hard snow skier in the world bar none. I think her stance moderately wide is perfect. I think sometimes a skier like Reilly McGlashin is too narrow some of the time a little too stylish and losing some function.
@@Triggerboy62 High Triggerboy for those who don't know this, I am not speaking to you, as I'm sure you figured it out. One way to fix the micro stem and wedge is to practice focusing on the inside ski. Focus on turning/tipping/edging the inside ski first not with just foot steering but by moving the inside knee as well, at slow speed, gradually doing it at higher speeds then proceed once it's ingrained move to initiation with both feet at the same time. The inside foot tends to become "lazy" for lack of a better term, think lazy foot first. I found I was doing it off and on last yr at the beginning of the season and one of the National Demo team members pointed it out.
Hey Cris!!! that was good skiing!!! "Do with your feet what you want your skis to do" The natural stance of legs should be, at the most, hip width, and feet separation is determined by edge angle. Very good comments by....Triggerboy 62?
I thought having your ski’s too close together was considered bad form these days? My ski instructor said it would make balance difficult? I’m so confused :(
Thank you for watching. I feel for you. Very confusing. But we are coaching ski racers and we do not worry about fashion. We do what is best for what we do. I can give you all the advice you want. Just ask :)
You're welcome 😊. Note that on most of my videos you can request the script by email at tdk.skiracing@gmail.com. Its funny that you thank me for the text on the screen because the reason I started doing voice overs is that it was requested instead of the text on the screen. I guess different people have different needs. Trying my best to reach out to all of you. Thanks for watching by the way. Cheers, Tom
Is this suggestion for skiers who can make parallel turns already? Advanced level? In that case it is OK even though I don´t really see the point. With carving this disturbs the edging, inclination. So I think this does not give any improvement. But never try this with beginners. A-frame is a life saving skill for them. All beginners should refuse trying this.
@@Triggerboy62 I understand what you mean. Open parallel turns are skidded turns to some degree. You don´t need the same degree of edging and inclination for this. However if you have a small distance between the skis this will make it much more complicated to get a high degree of edging-inclination. But for racers it is not a big deal.
@@Triggerboy62 I don´t agree. Separation has a clear definition. This happens only horizontally. You turn the skis a independently to some degree from the turn of the body. Please give me a definition of vertical separation. For me this is not possible. I think that you cannot move the body up and down without the direct movements of the legs that moves the body. Basically you flex your knees and the body moves downwards and the opposite happens with a knee extension.
@@Triggerboy62 What you say is all right, the problem is only that this doesn´t fit the definition of separation. By the term we mean the separation of the movement of the body from the movements of the skis. Not the separation of the two skis and legs from each other.
@@Triggerboy62 No, separation as a term has a clear definition. It is not what I mean, it is what it is. It is the separation between the movements of the legs and the body at the level of the hip joints. Separation between the two legs is not called separation. This is because we always use our legs separated even when we walk or run, this is our natural behavior. You could never be able to walk if you did not separated the movement of your legs. About the separation of upper and lower body. We don´t use the term separation for this. We use the terms angulation and inclination to describe this.
Too narrow is never too good . That’s very old style way , if look at the World Cup and design of the new skis , you should never do a super narrow stance
Agree about narrow stance. It’s spectacular for other people. But, it doesn’t bring more balance while skiing on higher speed and steeper slopes. A bit wider stance is absolutely ok
It's not about good or not good. These are different techniques for different uses. For Slalom, mogul, tree, freeride you need to stay narrow, it will turn easily. And for super g and downhill, you need to stay wide to be more stable. Anyway it's not a problem for professional skier to ski very fast comparing to normal people, I think even with one leg they can ski faster than normal people.😂
There is probably no right or wrong. However, a more closed stance is aceptable these days. And, point here is to stop moving your feet and find your balance.
Hi, it was pleasure to see ski racers to ski, very beautiful precise movement. I am practicing my legs synchronous at low speed now, it very difficult to stay very parallel during initiation of the turn. So I have a question, do weight transfer to the new outside ski happens before rolling to the downhill edge? Or Rolling first and transfer weight later? Or synchronous?
Excellent question.
In the wedge both skis are on their Big Toe Ede's. Your weight transfer is from your old outside ski BTE to the new outside ski BTE. Therefore switching over to parallel turning this needs to change. You should go from your old outside ski BTE to you new outside ski Little Toe Edge. One of my favorite drills, you can find it in many of my videos, is the "Javelin Turn". In this drill you pick up the inside ski and slightly rotate it so that the tip aligns over the tip of the outside ski while you at the same time press the inside boot against the outside and tip your inside leg knee into the turn. Now, the important part relating to this discussion, as you come to the transition where you put your lifted inside ski back on the snow be sure to lay it down on its LTE side of the ski while at the same time you pick your old outside ski up off the snow. This is commonly nowadays called the "release". This is also the traditional weight transfer that so many nowadays try to avoid to mention in modern teaching. In the good old days the word weight transfer was very important. It is at the weight transfer for example that we make the pole plant. In wedging we do not use a pole plant but in the next step, the stem turn we use the pole plant at this very moment. Same in parallel turns and when carving even if its popular not to use pole plant when carving.
An other interesting thing is that kids today learn to carve straight from wedging. They skip the basic parallel turn entirely. This is because wedging and carving are closely related as they need no up-unweighting movement to go from one turn to the next. In wedging you only use a weight transfer from one ski to the other while in carving you only tip your skis on edge and let them make the turn for you. So no need to go up and then down again through leg extension. However, now we come to the important part relating to your question. In carving, as you may well be referring to in your question, stepping onto the LTE of the old inside ski after releasing the old outside ski from its BTE, it takes a while for your new outside ski to roll over from the LTE to the BTE compared to a normal skidded parallel turn where the weight transfer is quite instant. As a result your pole plant, that should be timed to the weight transfer comes early in the turn compared to a normal parallel turn. So, I always get the question "when" to make the pole plant in carving and the answer is "at weight transfer". Or, the "release" if you prefer that kind of expression better. Anyway, very early, at transition so to speak. Not when your skis are starting to turn. Then its too late.
Hope this helps. Cheers, Tom
@@Triggerboy62Thank you so much for your detailed answer. So you suggest to transfer weight as early as possible to the new out ski on LTE, then begin to rolling both skis, right ? One more question, do advanced skier need to still practice both methods? as I can see some drills such as white pass turn, with which you can only rolling before transfer weight, but these are the drills only for practicing but not for competition right ?
Took a Warren Smith course and this was one of the drills. We used the power straps velcroed together. Very intimidating at first!
What is the length / strength of the bands used in this video? Thanks.
Cant remember. But it should be a softer one. That particular one was not very good. Better with the wider bands.
I see the same length in shops all the time. These are probably the shortest ones.
Tom
You bring very important point comparing old school skiing with the new one with parabolic ski. Thanks!
Awesome exercise. I use it too with the kids I coach but I put it just below the knee so that the legs remain parallel. The risk to have it too low is that the legs are not parallel like in the video.
Nice! I rly love narrow stance on slalom 165 skis :)
What a good idea! thank you.
You are so welcome!
You have nice cut , expert, well done teacher 🙋♂️
Thank you! Cheers!
Ich bin sehr krank, ich wünsche Ihnen einen schönen Abend, Sir!
Love the voiceover, great idea!
very nice art of trainings i think i need to try this out😄🥇👍
You are a rock star 👨🎤
Thanks a million :)
I try to do for my 2 boots always just touching to have the illusion of the skis parallel. I feel doing this is more secure than to attach boots with band which is more problematic in case of lost of control, I don't have a so good level as the very good skiers.
I read you sir, you really like GS !!!
Because of the wide turns?
My god, wouldn't have thought or dare doing such a thing, bravo 👏🏻👍🏻
我是一个来自中国北京的滑雪爱好者，稍微能听懂一点英文。我没有用BOOTY BAND来练习这个动作，只是试着让双脚并拢得窄一些，我觉得速度慢的时候很难转弯，就像在视频第15秒左右开始的那样，我加上引身（起身）的动作也无法完成转弯，why？您可不可以具体讲一下如何做到“using upper body and leg movements momentum and reaction forces”？很喜欢您的视频，很多的练习动作，在中国教练不会讲这么多的练习方法，非常感谢
Thank you for watching. Greetings to Beijing. I've been there many times but never skiing. Hope to ski one day in China.
I'm not really sure if I understand you correctly but skiing at slow speeds is difficult. Because you need momentum to turn and when you are skiing slowly there are not many ways of creating momentum other than by extending your legs and making a small pivot. Check out my video 3 Levels of Parallel Skiing. And many other as well. Check my playlist for easy tutorials.
In your case using a booty band would make it very difficult. Try without.
reg. Tom
@@Triggerboy62 非常感谢您的回复，我每天都在看您的视频。有机会来北京，这里有很多很多的好吃的，您肯定会感到非常惊讶！
Спасибо большое. Была эта идея, но не был уверен.
Great drill, not sure about the excessive counter. Would like to see more active inside ski steering
actually, there is rather insufficient countering. look at hips!
By the way,... if you "release the downside ski, before engaging the upside ski, the cross will happend effortlessly and fluidly.
@@JB91710 Hey JB: you must be a lonely guy!!! There is not need to be so aggressive! Truth is that there is a coded language that save to that understand it a lot of time. We are not talking to students here, or picking up clients, (at least me), so the way each of us translates this, that for you is "jabber" to our students, has nothing to do with the way we talk to each other. I could give you many triggering inputs I give to my pupils, that arte a lot more correct that the but BS you post, but this is a Pro group, or so I thought, and you are not paying me.
Please expand on the new school narrow racing look, comparing the old school narrow ski instructor look to todays racers a la Shriferrin or Hirscher does not compute. there may be some value to this exercise but I fail to see what you say is connected. I'm PSIA level 3 and USSA level 3/ National level. coach.
@@Triggerboy62 I guess it depends on how you define "wide" I never advocated the old ultra wide stance promoted in the late 80s early 90s, I always thought it was artifical
. To me a wide stance is a natural feet under hips stance ala the WC today being able to double carve and they can get pretty wide at times of course situation determines this. I still look to Ms Shifferin as the best hard snow skier in the world bar none. I think her stance moderately wide is perfect. I think sometimes a skier like Reilly McGlashin is too narrow some of the time a little too stylish and losing some function.
@@Triggerboy62 sounds good, nice clear explanation.
@@Triggerboy62 High Triggerboy for those who don't know this, I am not speaking to you, as I'm sure you figured it out. One way to fix the micro stem and wedge is to practice focusing on the inside ski. Focus on turning/tipping/edging the inside ski first not with just foot steering but by moving the inside knee as well, at slow speed, gradually doing it at higher speeds then proceed once it's ingrained move to initiation with both feet at the same time. The inside foot tends to become "lazy" for lack of a better term, think lazy foot first. I found I was doing it off and on last yr at the beginning of the season and one of the National Demo team members pointed it out.
@@Triggerboy62 Yes they are good ones too
Hey Cris!!! that was good skiing!!! "Do with your feet what you want your skis to do" The natural stance of legs should be, at the most, hip width, and feet separation is determined by edge angle. Very good comments by....Triggerboy 62?
Looks like at Vasjobacken, am I right? =)
I thought having your ski’s too close together was considered bad form these days? My ski instructor said it would make balance difficult? I’m so confused :(
Thank you for watching. I feel for you. Very confusing. But we are coaching ski racers and we do not worry about fashion. We do what is best for what we do. I can give you all the advice you want. Just ask :)
Thanks for text on the screen. My English isn't good enough. That text is very halpful for me.
You're welcome 😊. Note that on most of my videos you can request the script by email at tdk.skiracing@gmail.com. Its funny that you thank me for the text on the screen because the reason I started doing voice overs is that it was requested instead of the text on the screen. I guess different people have different needs. Trying my best to reach out to all of you. Thanks for watching by the way. Cheers, Tom
Is this suggestion for skiers who can make parallel turns already? Advanced level? In that case it is OK even though I don´t really see the point. With carving this disturbs the edging, inclination. So I think this does not give any improvement.
But never try this with beginners. A-frame is a life saving skill for them. All beginners should refuse trying this.
@@Triggerboy62 I understand what you mean. Open parallel turns are skidded turns to some degree. You don´t need the same degree of edging and inclination for this.
However if you have a small distance between the skis this will make it much more complicated to get a high degree of edging-inclination.
But for racers it is not a big deal.
@@Triggerboy62 I don´t agree. Separation has a clear definition. This happens only horizontally. You turn the skis a independently to some degree from the turn of the body. Please give me a definition of vertical separation. For me this is not possible. I think that you cannot move the body up and down without the direct movements of the legs that moves the body. Basically you flex your knees and the body moves downwards and the opposite happens with a knee extension.
@@Triggerboy62 What you say is all right, the problem is only that this doesn´t fit the definition of separation. By the term we mean the separation of the movement of the body from the movements of the skis. Not the separation of the two skis and legs from each other.
@@Triggerboy62 No, separation as a term has a clear definition. It is not what I mean, it is what it is. It is the separation between the movements of the legs and the body at the level of the hip joints.
Separation between the two legs is not called separation. This is because we always use our legs separated even when we walk or run, this is our natural behavior. You could never be able to walk if you did not separated the movement of your legs.
About the separation of upper and lower body. We don´t use the term separation for this. We use the terms angulation and inclination to describe this.
Good old style. Graceful, not forceful.
Thank you for your nice comment. This has improved Chris skiing a lot. Thanks for watching, Cheers :)
If Chris ever learns to use his left pole I will die happy. Until then I suffer.
哈哈哈
Too narrow is never too good . That’s very old style way , if look at the World Cup and design of the new skis , you should never do a super narrow stance
Hirscher uses it. His skis come together quite frequently. Widens stance to get edge angles.
Agree about narrow stance. It’s spectacular for other people. But, it doesn’t bring more balance while skiing on higher speed and steeper slopes. A bit wider stance is absolutely ok
how about sebastian solevaag?....... REAL extreme angles with narrow skis.
It's not about good or not good. These are different techniques for different uses. For Slalom, mogul, tree, freeride you need to stay narrow, it will turn easily. And for super g and downhill, you need to stay wide to be more stable. Anyway it's not a problem for professional skier to ski very fast comparing to normal people, I think even with one leg they can ski faster than normal people.😂
Nonsense. Hold a sponge between your ankles.... tie it to your knee 'cuz it will fall off.
"Up" unweighting, really? Circa 1990. All movement should be towards the turn or forward.
This is not the right position. feet should be slightly open.
There is probably no right or wrong. However, a more closed stance is aceptable these days. And, point here is to stop moving your feet and find your balance.
@@Triggerboy62 yea understand thanks.