@@SplitSeoultbf this vid showed multiple times that it’s not always easy to do that. if ur playing spidey and the supports sit in the nest u legit just have to rely on your shooter guys to kill it, which isn’t always possible if they have to get out of position for it. also necros died multiple times/ got denied by peni’s web
They nerf spiderman but doesnt fix the free 2 headshots with the stun Edit: all i did was say mantis stun is also broken its not that serious and none of you even brung it up 😭😭
@@marcovazquez-ou2pv animation cancels are used on many heroes to attack faster. meleeing inbetween shots on chars like groot and strange double their damage output close range, but spiderman's cancel had to be perfectly executed just to deal double damage to someone who HAD TO be on the ground for it to work somewhat consistently. imo, unnecessary change when many other heroes also animation cancel. magiks animation cancels are absurdly good, yet she sees buffs in s1. just an unexpected nerf to spidermans skill ceiling, imo
He’s the best for sure but he’s EXTREMELY skill based. He’s extremely unforgiving, requires great positioning, timing, reflexes, and overall game sense to be successful. On top of all that he’s very counterable you force a lot of ccs yeah but dying over and over again only for you team to get rolled anyway isn’t fun. He can be a blender in the right scenarios but he’s very punishing to learn.
Well you either have: Tickle Monster (Panther) Get one kill and die (spider man) Somehow worse than the last 2 (Magik) Tank kidnapper (Wolverine) Does negative damage (iron fist)
Panther and Wolverine on par then Magik is a close second believe it or not Spiderman is third needs more health or some health regen as a melee character And fourth is iron fist who needs a rework
I think Mantis sleep needs to be easy to land because of the mobility available in this game. They should just increase the cooldown to make it more punishing to use.
@@mochaman29 funny how you didn't mention the fact that Mantis had 275 health and a passive that makes her run faster and she can damage boost herself, not only that but Luna needs to actually aim hers. And Squirrel Girls leap only helps her against melee threats, you are basically initiating a PGTI scenario by doing the leap and any competent aimer can gun you down.
Am i the only one who felt his resets were worse recently, I'm plat 1 and have 10 clips on my pc of the Dashes not resetting, i feel like he needs a quality of life patch
I can't believe they actually nerfed black panther to the ground but didn't touch mantis or Luna snow and they added a unkillable dps and a unkillable healer to the game as well. And buffed Black Panthers counters.
Honestly, as Panther main myself, the nerf affected him badly, only in one area though, escaping already engaged fights. Yes, the drawback to 75 bonus health is big, but if your team is confident (supports mainly) you should be able to get out alive with a little bit of map knowledge. Health packs are your best friend in most cases though, mainly if you dive backline looking for picks.
The nerf is mainly 10 less shield, when were you truly getting up to 425 hp off just panther dashes, The 375 change isn’t as crazy as people make it out to be. Still a nerf but not nearly as bad as it seems. Panther had too much survivability against supports so they nerfed it a bit. Keep playing him if you find him fun because he is still top 3 melee duelists at least probably (2nd best melee duelist behind Wolverine or on par with Wolverine)
You have to hit the marked person with a dash to get the reset but the spear and utilmate is an AOE ability which is why you can get multiple dash resets sometimes
@ with the addition of reed, brawl comps are definitely strong as shit rn which you dont need tp be fast for, plus who needs to be fast when u have invincibility frames
@@caylanterry3565 you need to be fast because there's so much counterplay against melee heroes with burst healing and cc that's why black panther is better he does more damage at a faster rate than magik does
Bruh there's no way he's still milking his subathon vods a WHOLE MONTH after it, even game's 1st season started yet vids are from month old streams. Like current highlights from games he gets now will be on this channel when there's what, season 3 starting?
defintely see how this is a 5 star difficulty mechanicaly advanced very much skill dependend fun champ to play, and yes I hate her from the bottom of my heart.
2:14 "idk if penni is S tier" followed by him getting his ult shut down by a skill she has every 3 seconds is poetic ngl
Against divers maybe. He meant this for awhile a good hitscan pick will make penni bad to pick. Best to pick shields
Ermmm it was 18 seconds 🤓
"i don't think Peni is S tier"
*gets fucking deleted multiple times by her on an S tier hero*
Just need team to delete spider trap and it’s free af
@@SplitSeoultbf this vid showed multiple times that it’s not always easy to do that. if ur playing spidey and the supports sit in the nest u legit just have to rely on your shooter guys to kill it, which isn’t always possible if they have to get out of position for it. also necros died multiple times/ got denied by peni’s web
@@winky4375 becuase penni is exactly a counter to most melee dps, get a ranged dps and she does get nearly as much damage
They nerf spiderman but doesnt fix the free 2 headshots with the stun
Edit: all i did was say mantis stun is also broken its not that serious and none of you even brung it up 😭😭
What nerfs did spidey get? Didn't see anything about him in the patch notes
@@sirdapperdan2209 can’t animations cancel
It wasn't a nerf, it was a fix. An exploit that people abused and now it's patched. What nerf did he get?
@@marcovazquez-ou2pv you are dumb or ragebaiting, both are very sad
@@marcovazquez-ou2pv animation cancels are used on many heroes to attack faster. meleeing inbetween shots on chars like groot and strange double their damage output close range, but spiderman's cancel had to be perfectly executed just to deal double damage to someone who HAD TO be on the ground for it to work somewhat consistently. imo, unnecessary change when many other heroes also animation cancel. magiks animation cancels are absurdly good, yet she sees buffs in s1. just an unexpected nerf to spidermans skill ceiling, imo
He’s the best for sure but he’s EXTREMELY skill based. He’s extremely unforgiving, requires great positioning, timing, reflexes, and overall game sense to be successful. On top of all that he’s very counterable you force a lot of ccs yeah but dying over and over again only for you team to get rolled anyway isn’t fun. He can be a blender in the right scenarios but he’s very punishing to learn.
Nah he's super easy to play. I've been abusing him and I get free mvp every game, im ass on anything else
I cant believe they didnt address the mantis ult charge rate
Whats up with her Ult?
@@Ananomosit charges pretty fast can even activate twice in a long enough battle
@@dekyne3227Shit, that thing charges like, five times in a 10 minute battle
Lol bruh that's an Strategist thing not just a Mantis thing. All Strategist earn there ult fast than dps and tanks.
You did not put the tickle monster as the number one melee- dualist
Bro forgot fr fr
Well you either have:
Tickle Monster (Panther)
Get one kill and die (spider man)
Somehow worse than the last 2 (Magik)
Tank kidnapper (Wolverine)
Does negative damage (iron fist)
Panther and Wolverine on par then Magik is a close second believe it or not
Spiderman is third needs more health or some health regen as a melee character
And fourth is iron fist who needs a rework
BP might be the best melee duelist..
But Psylocke got the cheeks 🔥
Pixels on a screen lil bro, they aren't real
@marcovazquez-ou2pv ngas doing anything to believe bro 😭
Psylocke ain’t really melee tho also, psylocke is better than panther imo
And Magik has a great cake
@@marcovazquez-ou2pv hot women aren't real either
Spiderman spiderman does whatever a spider can
I think Mantis sleep needs to be easy to land because of the mobility available in this game. They should just increase the cooldown to make it more punishing to use.
7:16.
Squirrel Girls and Lunas Stun needs to be aimed but not Hela's and Mantis'. It needs to be consistent
@@marcovazquez-ou2pv Mantis is a strategist with no escape tools. Squirrel Girl has her leap and Hela has her crow form.
@@mochaman29 funny how you didn't mention the fact that Mantis had 275 health and a passive that makes her run faster and she can damage boost herself, not only that but Luna needs to actually aim hers. And Squirrel Girls leap only helps her against melee threats, you are basically initiating a PGTI scenario by doing the leap and any competent aimer can gun you down.
@@marcovazquez-ou2pv She needs something when shes being dove. Try hitting BP with Ana sleep dart. Just make the cooldown longer, problem solved.
Am i the only one who felt his resets were worse recently, I'm plat 1 and have 10 clips on my pc of the Dashes not resetting, i feel like he needs a quality of life patch
I am glad I am not the only one. I thought it was skill issue but I believe it really is bugged
they have to fix the no regs
Cannot lie that shit is deserved but I’d rather he gets nerfed instead of a bug doing the job
“I don’t this Peni is S tier” my man says this about almost every character at this point
You should mention this video is from season 0 before Bp got nerfed
This your moment to get as big as Tim streamer wise. Keep going.
I hope you’re able to make a Panther guide at some point. I’m still struggling with my own Panther work despite putting a lot of time into him.
Plugs kinda chill, keeps welcoming me to Panther City though
I can't believe they actually nerfed black panther to the ground but didn't touch mantis or Luna snow and they added a unkillable dps and a unkillable healer to the game as well. And buffed Black Panthers counters.
Should I keep mailing black panther or change to someone else because of the nerf
You could mail him for sure, but he doesn't answer 😭.
Any character is playable rn bro, especially panther
Just cause they nerf your character doesn't mean you have to stop playing them. Play who you enjoy, games are meant to be fun
Honestly, as Panther main myself, the nerf affected him badly, only in one area though, escaping already engaged fights. Yes, the drawback to 75 bonus health is big, but if your team is confident (supports mainly) you should be able to get out alive with a little bit of map knowledge. Health packs are your best friend in most cases though, mainly if you dive backline looking for picks.
The nerf is mainly 10 less shield, when were you truly getting up to 425 hp off just panther dashes,
The 375 change isn’t as crazy as people make it out to be. Still a nerf but not nearly as bad as it seems.
Panther had too much survivability against supports so they nerfed it a bit.
Keep playing him if you find him fun because he is still top 3 melee duelists at least probably (2nd best melee duelist behind Wolverine or on par with Wolverine)
spiderman isnt playable in high elo really@@KOTOBOD
What's the outro music?
Necros what pc do you use?
Ain't no way bro uploaded 3 weeks old footage
ALL HAIL KING NECROS
How does the reset on Panther's second dash work ? Do i have to ASSIST on an elimination or get one ?
same question
Neither, you mark someone with the spear or the ultimate and if you hit the dash then it resets
He marks you with a spear, kick or ult. Then dashing thru someone with a mark gives you a reset that refresh the dash
You have to hit the marked person with a dash to get the reset but the spear and utilmate is an AOE ability which is why you can get multiple dash resets sometimes
If you look at necros while he is playing you will notice he always throws the spear first to get the dash reset
time to change penni on that tier list bubba
He got nerfed, Magic is the best now
wolverine is better
Jenkins wtf is this
is welcome to wakanda
Finally nerfed that op char
Black Panther
ITS MAGIK STOP CAPPINGGGGGGGG
even with the bp nerf her slow ass is nowhere near him I am afraid
@ with the addition of reed, brawl comps are definitely strong as shit rn which you dont need tp be fast for, plus who needs to be fast when u have invincibility frames
@@caylanterry3565 you need to be fast because there's so much counterplay against melee heroes with burst healing and cc that's why black panther is better he does more damage at a faster rate than magik does
@@eebbaa5560 i honestly think Magik is overrated. Good, but overrated.
Bro pls delete this video… they‘ll nerf him again😭😭😭😭
This video is before the nerfs
NAH SOLO ULT THZ LUNA IS DEVIOUS EVEN FOR YOU
Bruh there's no way he's still milking his subathon vods a WHOLE MONTH after it, even game's 1st season started yet vids are from month old streams. Like current highlights from games he gets now will be on this channel when there's what, season 3 starting?
defintely see how this is a 5 star difficulty mechanicaly advanced very much skill dependend fun champ to play, and yes I hate her from the bottom of my heart.
All the melee characters in this game are trash
First
Id gap you pather 1v1 now😤