Moab is Closing (Help Fight It)
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Moab Utah, a mecca for offroad enthusiasts is closing. The BLM is closing 317 miles of trail to motorized use. Please support the Blue Ribbon Coalition in their fight to appeal this decision. www.sharetrail...
"closure is not management"
Also remember to support your local clubs that keep our riding areas open!
/ pnwenduro
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I live an hour away from Moab. I lived in Moab in the early 80's. I will say that the very "community" that is trying to stop the closure is the same community that is causing the closures. The Jeep/UTV/motorcycle users have violated so many rules, so many closures, so many illegals trail that this was bound to happen and I'm very glad it is. I have seen people absolutely trash Moab. There are piles of poop, trash, and illegal trails all over the damn place! It's the very community that now is crying about closures that have a very large part in the closures. I shed not a single tear for the very people that have played a large role in this closure.
The Kane Springs campground was closed because the owners can make more revenue by changing the campground into something else. It's private land and they can do what ever they want with it. I'm all for it...good for them. It's their land.
As someone that lives close to Moab and rides White Rim, Chicken Corners, Lockhart Canyon, Top of the World and so many other fantastic places in this area, I look forward to less people, less vehicles, less chaos and stupid behavior. Moab has become a trash dump. Many people disrespect the land, disrespect the Indian rock art, disrespect the very land they say they want to remain open.
Good riddance to those that have brought this upon themselves......
The amount of people that I see go off trails and not care about really anyone or anything was pretty disgusting last time I was there so I actually get why all the closures are/is happening. Majority were SxS drivers, I still think they are the worst in the offroad community by far, but not all are bad so it kind of sucks for the good majority.
💯 agree.
Don't wanna damage that dirt! Or hurt some rocks!
@@garnet4846 they have trail boundaries for a reason and open OHV areas for a reason. People with the mindset like you are the reason why these laws are getting passed. Stay on trail and maintain the trails so they will stay open, pretty simple. If you want to ride anywhere, go to an open OHV area.
@@RideWithJosh696 newsflash guy, the people who restrict your use of land cause way more environmental damage than you could ever cause in 10 lifetimes. It's always a "sensitive environmental blah blah blah" until TPTB want to mine, log, develop, etc. that land, then it's full steam ahead. If you think these closures are about protecting land, you're lost.
@@garnet4846 Well if you read into it, it is exactly that, protected land. Therefore nothing can go on on it. Just like the land right by little Sahara sand dunes. Well not exactly like it but you get the point. Its different when a company buys off the land. You cannot buy protected land. If we would just maintain trails that we have in restrictive areas we could get more and more but nope people just don't care so they have to do this kind of crap lol.
Living in the northeast this has been a common situation. The long term effect whether intentional or not is to consolidate the ohv crowd into ever smaller areas that become overused to the point of complete closure. We lost our local recreational area when the hiking crowd collaborated with the MTB crowd to have the OHV group removed, the hiking crowd then hd the MTB group removed and finally the hiking people lost their own access when the corrupt politicians who "helped" them through this process procured the properties at artificially low prices and them sold them to developers. We now have mostly empty strip malls and chain restaurants. This is called progress in a corrupt and failing society.
The enemy of your enemy may be useful but is not your friend and political types are little more than prostitutes.
Thank you for spreading awareness! Utah is my home. I just purchased a membership with the blueribbon coalition and made my donation. We all need to work together on these issues and I appreciate you doing your part
-Dominic
Thanks. Yes, we definitely need to stick together on this. Honestly I’m surprised none of the other channels have said anything about this yet.
@@PNWEnduro agreed. We are heading out this weekend for some dessert racing. Ill do what i can to spread word.
Thanks again
SxS's seem to be the biggest contributing factor. They draw a certain type of crowd that ends up being far more destructive than dirtbikes and ATVs are/were. Michigan is facing the same issues - and they've floated the idea of having speed limits on the trails because of how dangerous the SxS's have become for everybody... Which of course screws dirtbikes, whom can safely operate at higher speeds.
some people are just idiots 😮
Mountain bikes straying off the trails causes bigger ruts in the rain, get your facts straight.. Not one video I have watched on this subject has shown any proof of the reasons the BLM site for closure
Keep this up! This is so crazy they are closing down these beautiful trails!
They aren't closed. They are simply not allowing motorized travel in some Backcountry areas for the purposes of maintaining habitat and water quality.
@@EricGrossisanomad Yet they provide no proof of it.. The ADA is being ignored as usual..
The issue is government has not 1 single rule, guide line, statute or bylaw to give more freedom to people. Every law, rule and statute is solely and completely to take freedom from people and that isn't going to change. New laws new rules new guidelines keep being made every single year because if the politicians said I did nothing this year, no one would vote for them.😂
Yessir. Contact your Rep or Senator and ask them if they have ever voted to repeal a law. 99.9999% they haven’t.
That is why they keep calling our representatives "law makers"
😂😂😂😂 Now just imagine them taking your wife's health care away. Oops! Too late! I'm more concerned with human rights, than where you can ride your precious motorcycle.
If you think closures have any relation to land erosion from o/b riders your brainwashed. These are excuses that they think justify. Removing our freedoms. Like a parent disciplining a child. The real issue is the decision they think is theirs to make.
Democracy is not a real thing.
The side by side crowd is fully responsible for this crap.
Libtard politicians and their green energy/money laundering scams are to blame.
I have seen the same destruction of trails in Arizona as well. The problem is no one reports them so they continue to destroy the land until the area is closed. Then they ignore the closed area signs and still no one reports them. Until you fight them, you are part of the problem. Why won't you fight the idiots that ruin your riding areas? I saw a great 3' wide flowing twisted trail near Bartlett get ruined by quads. It is now over 30 feet wide and straight as a freeway.
The reason for the closures is that too many riders do not stay on the trails. I organized a group ride there a few years ago. More than 1/3 of the guys immediately broke the rules and road parallel to the trails instead of on the trails. We stopped and repeatedly told them why they needed to stay on the trails, yet they continued to tear up the natural landscape. The next day, they got caught and were ticketed. We told them that they were to never join our group rides again. Too many groups do not police their riders. As a result, more trails will be shut down. Better to shut the trails for a couple years and open them after nature has a chance to recover. If you want to stop closures, then start reporting the people who break the rules. If you don't report them, then don't cry when the trail is closed.
100%. We all need to ride responsibility and not take these places for granted. A little different where I live and ride in the rainforest but I won’t tolerate riders braiding trails or tearing up the trail.
Like turning in people who were not wearing masks during covid. Or attending the Trump rally. No that's not the answer. Just lead by example.
@@hoosiertrailrider You have never been to Moab, so you do not understand the importance of not tearing up the native soil. There are many Informational signs posted explaining the importance of not hurting the land. Being a desert, it literally takes decades to recover. Unlike Indiana where your tracks are grown over in a few days or a week. Turning in lawbreakers on the trail is no worse than calling 911 during a robbery.
Is this about potential lithium mining? Read something about BLM doing land leases.
I have a feeling this is a factor. I wonder what's worse for the environment, OHV's or digging giant holes in the earth to extract Lithium?
Too many people damaging the resource, not you guys, the SxS's
Speaking for the area I ride, it’s a private property with membership. I started there in 2017. It was 85% bikes and ATVs, and 15% jeeps and some side by sides. (Roughly). Now it’s completely blown out in many places. I’ve seen a dramatic increase in SxS traffic.
Big ole trailers pulling in with multiples on them. A convoy into the parking areas some mornings. I want everyone to have fun on the ride of their choice, but I do notice a lot of formerly cool trails are garbage now.
I'm aware SXS are a big problem in some areas but Moab seems like a good place for them. It's all rock and sand so I don't know what they are damaging. I'm not there to see it so I just don't know.
@@PNWEnduro the issue with SXS tends to be an attitude thing, last time I was riding MTB in Moab I used some shared trails to go Portal and you can notice the difference across user types. Jeeps and Moto no issues, SXS had some weird encounters. As with everything, this isn't a blanket statement, but the boom in popularity without a growth in education puts the rest of OHV users in a bad place. The place I ride Moto the most nowadays is private land with membership, they had to remove access to SXS because of the above concerns.
The shutdown is still not justified just to be clear. Removing access isn't the correct approach.
They've destroyed the jeep trails in my part of Idaho and have caused a lot of closures.@@lostinpa-dadenduro7555
@@PNWEnduroThat is the problem. People come here thinking it's all rocks and sand. Look up the biological soil crust. The Moab desert shouldn't have the blowing sand that you find in sand dune deserts. The crust that you find here is vital to the ecosystem.
People need to learn to follow the rules and sometimes give a break to nature. So future generations can enjoy.
Stop following rules made by corrupt parasites.
I've also noticed Moab has shut down several camping sites along the Colorado River, such as Kane Creek. A big loss to the jeep and off-road community and potential revenue loss for the city.
I'm more concerned with human rights. Over dirtbikes/jeep dudes rights
@@alexandersupertramp7353nobody here is saying that's not important. Believe it or not we can care about more than one issue at a time
@@alexandersupertramp7353no one here cares, wrong comment section muppet.
@@alexandersupertramp7353 Then move to China.. Do you even care about the $$ loss to the local people / business's over these shutdowns? Or is that not a human right??
@SegoMan Humans don't have a right a destroy nature. Do some research. Did they close ALL of it? Nope! So quit your bitchin
You can thank people who have no consideration for others for this issue. You can also thank people to just run into places like this just to further their social media goals. Access will continue to shut down as long as people destroy the areas that make it possible. I don't know what the solution is. But maybe some of these areas actually NEED the break. And i say that as an avid MX and MTB rider. I enjoy all of it. But i don't enjoy the disrespect and damage to the trails. one final note.... this is pointed at the MTB community. If you CAN'T ride it, don't change it! LEARN HOW TO RIDE IT. and for the MC folks. Not EVERY problem is fixed with more throttle! Good day!
Irresponsible use by a small percentage affects all of us negatively unfortunately.
Really not to many places left unfortunately! I live on Long Island NY we have to drive 3-4 hours for trail riding in PA which welcomes riders with open arms in NY your considered a criminal if u wanna trail ride !
its hard because as a local i love the trails and what they are but i also so deeply care about the land and have seen the problems that ohv's bring to the area. i dont think closing down the trials is the out right best decision but i also think we do need some more regulation. tourist have been hurting my home and mind its not all in fact its the vast minority we just need to educate at the end of the day.
Thanks for commenting. It’s good to hear a local’s perspective.
There are plenty of signs and brochures explaining why it is important to stay on the trails. For some reason, people think that because they spent $5000 on an ATV or dirt bike that they have a right to destroy the landscape. Too many locals and tourists turn a blind eye towards the ones that ruin the trails. Everyone needs to become active in reporting those riders. If you don't report it, you are part of the problem. If you don't fight the people who ruin the trails, then you have no right to complain when the trails are closed.
YES SIR!!
@@briangc1972
Just don’t listen to them,This earth belongs to God, and he never said we could not go there.
So, by your reasoning we can also ride non-motorized trails or sxs and quads can poach single track and destroy it? Can I go ride on a golf course Because “God” owns it? Give me a break.
Out of state interests making this decision.
And those interests may be for something far more destructive than ohv vehicles.
@@PNWEnduroRight up river from some of the closed trails is a leftover uranium tailing dump, the majority of i was moved even further upstream. Let me see the BLM walk onto that site LoL
I was rode Moab back in March with five friends.... Moab was by far the best riding experience of my life
It’s definitely a unique place to ride a dirt bike.
Its SEWER.....I mean SUWA.... They proposed that part along the Green River for wilderness designation decades ago. They have been fighting it ever since....and lost. Except now through travel management plans, they have their win. Essentially EVERY trail or road that led the river or to a river overlook were the ones closed. BRC does advocate very well. They need legal funds, only way. One would think that Grand CO and Moab would be all over the revenue loss potential.....they are not, the county commission meeting I attended were all for closing even more than what the plan did. It's crazy I tell you.
I can imagine the lost tourist revenue for those areas will be significant.
First time backpacking outside of Moab was 1981. The land, city, nature did just fine. I’m there 1-2 times per year and can’t believe how many on motorized vehicles act like the are the first to discover this city. Breaking trail rules, destroying habitat, aggressive driving, and leaving trash. Y’all did this to yourselves. Maybe not this channel’s author, but many who may copy the rides. If nothing changes expect more closures.
Unfortunately I have to agree irresponsible behavior may be factor here. I do my best to show responsible riding on my channel and I believe most of us do respect nature and follow the rules. It's the few who don't that give us all a bad name.
I stopped going to Moab about twenty years ago due to the overcrowded trails. I started riding in the Swell instead now it’s the same problem there. Too many people and bad behavior. Now BLM is looking at closing down the Swell also. Soon there will be nothing left to ride and we have no one to blame but our selves. Time to leave Utah altogether. RIP Utah. Ruined by A-holes
Wow it took me 20 years to get to Moab from Maryland a few years ago and loved it can’t wait to go back, I told everyone it’s like an adult playground for dirt riders, if they close the trails the towns around there will be like ghost towns
Im not 100% sure as to why at l they decided this. But I'm assuming, as i grew up there, these trails have been totally abused. The land and sand itself take years to form and have been ruined. Graffiti on petroglyphs. The amount of money it costs for locals to survive there is ridiculous. I was 16 and it was a magical place for sure, we learned how to survive the year without tourism and saved during the crazy spring months that brought in enough revenue for the year. I'm 37 now and going back is a trip.. its not the same, it's always busy, sure, that's a good thing in same cases. But watching my friends and family who stayed to raise their families there, have to work 2, sometimes 3 jobs just to keep a roof over their heads is the saddest thing ever. Rent in Moab, is relative to what i pay to live in Seattle WA. It makes no sense. But the real locals (not the transplant locals) will know exactly how to work with less tourism and less revenue. If it creates a beautiful place for them again and more reasonable price for living, I'm sure they'll love it that way!
I love your home place! But I have to agree wrt being busy all the time. Its nothing but a carnival anymore. Sorry..
You need to use the politician responsible’s name in every mention if you want change.
These past and present closures are infuriating. It keeps happening and it won't end here.
I first visited Moab in 2016, been back twice since. Each trip for one week. Since my first visit, the use of the area exploded and tourism grew and the community got swallowed up by VRBO and ABNB, making affordable living in Moab impossible for the locals. Too much of a good thing.... Fear not, there are a ton of other riding areas that are far better than Moab...Nearby Grand Junction Colorado has way better riding, and the Kanab area and Lake Powell have access to huge areas of riding. Sucks to see some of Moab get shut down but it had grown out of control. Also, I'll never understand some of my fellow riders fascination with riding the same places over, over, over and over. Find something new.... But, ok, so fight this effort to shut trails but let's not think the glass is half empty, it's indeed half full. Be positive, and braaaaappp on.
I'm aware there are many other great areas to explore and you know I'm not one to ride the same places all the time. There is more great riding than I'll ever get the chance to see just in the west alone. It still sucks to see places get taken away though.
Keep up the great work. @@PNWEnduro
This is just another step in the 30-30 project. Part of the 50-50 project. Locking up 30% and 50% of all public lands from the public by the year 2030 and 2050, respectively.
The locals of Moab have been fighting to close it down for years. All they want are hikers! There to ignorant to understand their would be nothing there if it wasn’t for the power sport/ Motorsport community spreading money there.
The locals Biz's will tell you the mtn bike crowd shows up with one pair of speedos and one $20 bill and changes neither..
Totally agree, moto use is destructive, sorry, but the environment and nature preservation is more important than moto use. Grab your mtn bike or hiking shoes and enjoy the trails, heck, might actually get into shape and get some exercise, more so than wrist twisting. brap
LOL. You obviously have no idea what riding enduro is like. The most fit people I know are high level riders. Responsible riding is no more destructive than mtb or horseback riding, often it can be less. If you want to talk about destroying nature what about the lithium mining proposed in this same area?
@ryanskinner8789 I see you have posted some wakeboarding videos. Do you think that gas guzzling boat or the truck you pull it with is good for the environment? LOL. Grab your swim trunks and leave the boat behind next time, heck, might get some exercise and actually get into shape.
Maybe motorized Backcountry travel just is negative for the environment, and you're only upset because you like to vroom vroom on public lands.
Almost everything humans do is negative to the environment. Do you drive a car? Do you eat meat? Plenty of things we do are far worse for the environment than riding motorcycles.
You realize that the phone that you're typing this on was dug out of the ground destroting the landscape for generations with slave labor, shipped here, factories built ect and you want to preach to a guy whos riding a dirt bike on a trail?
This is the snowball effect. The more areas they close down, the wors the wear on those areas that are still open. Enjoy it while you can because some day, the entire earth will be a no-fun zone.
When the off roading stops in moab so does there revenue. 🤷♂️
The Dems don't care if you lose your income
There are still plenty of open trails to ride and honestly Moab did just fine before the off-roading got so big. There are plenty of people that would go there and spend money that stay away now because of the rat race it’s become. The locals I talk to that know what it was like before would like their quiet little town back.
All part of the plan they will give the vacant motels to the criminal invaders......
There seems to be nothing the government loves more than closing roads and trails. This country needs some kind of right to roam laws so we can have guaranteed access to public land.
Are you back on an orange or is this old footage?
Older footage and on a borrowed bike that day.
If you don't agree with the BLM closures, I,'m sure a 2024 boycott of going to Moab to spend your money where you don't feel welcome might change some minds in Moab. It's only going to get worse with more closures in the future!
Maybe visitors to the area should post their own zipcodes so people can go there and tear up the streets, and damage public spaces too. That'll show 'em! A boycott will only hurt people who are doing all they can to pay the bills. Not a good idea.
81506 Come ride the Bookcliffs north of Grand Junction. Lots of great trails. Your welcome to come join the local riders and we take care of our area with locals cleaning up when people dump their trash and the homeless abandon their campsites.
@@knshield9684 Prove all of this damage or stop sounding like the idiot you are..
Done
Can you provide the justifications that the BLM is providing for the closures? I don't find anything out there on the justifications. Thanks!
Check the link to BRC in the video description.
Thank you!@@PNWEnduro
. Iv been going there the last 3 years and plan on going every year. Im just now getting real familiar with the area. Its so frustrating that this is happening.
I've only been able to get there once for one day as a side trip. We rode slick rock. It is such a unique terrain out there; beautiful and rugged. Is there a list somewhere of the trails they closed/are closing?
Check the blue ribbon coalition website to see the map of closures.
HARD FACT FOR YA,,,,The federal government owns 66.48 percent of Utah's total land, 35,033,603 acres out of 52,696,960 total acres. Utah ranked fourth in the nation in federal land ownership. Read that again......
Government grows.... your freedom goes...
The gvt does not own anything it belongs to "We the people"
I am looking forward to floating Labyrinth canyon and hiking in and out of 10 mile canyon without having to listen the noise pollution from these machines. You are only losing a small percentage of trails and this is going to help native plants recover and preserve more areas for wilderness. I think it is a great decision to close it as you still have over 700 miles where you can use your machines on in that area.
And you can get off the machines and still hike these trails. The access is still there just more balanced now.
I think it is a good compromise. Instead of blocking all machines they identified duplicate trails and sensitive areas along the river and drainage that will benefit from less human impact. As federal land I think this a better balance for visitors and the land itself.
What is your reasoning for these ohv trails to stay as ohv trails? What would be your vision for now, 10 years, 50 and 100 years from now?
I can respect your reasoning for agreeing with the closures even though I disagree. I don’t think motorized use has a large effect on sand and rock.
The reasons for closure may have more to do with the interest of lithium mining than preserving nature which will be far far more invasive than orv’s riding In the desert.
Closer to my home some user groups want motorized access to trails restricted but they don’t realize without us clearing those trails in the mountains every spring they would not be passable for anyone.
@@PNWEnduro Thanks for replying. I appreciate and respect your views as well. Nice to agree to disagree amicably on the internet :)
Lithium mining along Labyrinth canyon would not be good, having trucks going in and out of that would certainly destroy the wilderness feel.
I wonder if we could get the BLM to designate some of these new walk in only areas as wilderness so there won't be a danger of lithium mining there in the future.
They did recently change the west side of Labyrinth canyon to wilderness so that is protected, I wonder else what could be done to extend that protection to the eastern side of Labyrinth canyon as well and balance the 700 miles of motorized trails there.
@@chickenfur We're all very much aware that we can "get off the machines and still hike the trails". Believe it or not, many of us ALSO hike, kayak, mountain bike, etc... Also, you consider 30% a small percentage? WOW... Go throw 30% of your paycheck in the garbage then.
You do realize that hikers can not only use OHV trails, but that they also have access to a ---FAR--- greater number of trails where that is the only form of recreational land use that is allowed, right? The percentage lost here is far greater to the OHV community than it is a gain to the hiking/"low impact" community. And you want to talk about "balance"?
I'm also tired of hearing the "noise pollution" argument. You do realize that you're welcome to use any one of your numerous alternatives to get away from OHVs, correct? Are you aware of the concept of "sharing" on a multi-use trail? I'm actually completely fine with the fact that I already have to drive at least an hour to get to any OHV spots, but the audacity to complain about noise in the relatively few multi-use areas to the tune of actually getting them shut down? Go pack sand.
Here's some SUWA logic: Let's gradually and drastically reduce the area in which OHVs can be used to the point that the only areas they're still allowed will become so blatantly OVERUSED that we can then move in and close THOSE areas too! Maybe in 10, 50, or 100 years they won't even be manufactured anymore because there's nowhere to even USE them! YAY! "Balance" has been achieved!
NOT EVERYONE CAN HIKE ..I Have medical reasons I can't enjoy many areas..but being able to use off-road vehicles allows many of us usage of those areas..shutting them down isn't fair for me and many others ...your whole point is quite selfish..you have the most access and territories you can use on a daily basis . that many can never see .. you should learn to share no body should be told they can't use it ..
You as a hiker have 1000x more trails and rivers to explore that don't allow dirt bikes and you want to support closing down more of our spots so you can enjoy it without having to listen to other people have fun? Sounds a little selfish to me, but i mean 90% of the human population thinks theyre the center of the universe. What if we decided to support turning your places into dirt bike tracks?
Probably because of littering and other things
You work for BLM? Your nose is a little brown btw
Nah, not litter, in my several visits I've never seen public land so clean in my life. The jeepers all have burlap sacks to collect wayward trash. Not all the taxpayers of Moab want a city that is a never ending party for the OHV crowd etc. It's gotten out of control, in that too much of a good thing has become too much. Moab isn't the only such case of this in the recent years...a sign of the overheated inflationary times.
@@dagsterblaster4973 you are saying locals don’t like the revenue from off-roaders? Dumb
@@dagsterblaster4973 Commiefornia residents that moved to Moab shouldn’t matter and neither the lithium mining coming in those closed trails btw
Welcome to the VA! Zero freedom here
just out of curiosity . what is the blm's issue or argument?
Check the video description for a link to BRC, they explain what’s going on in detail.
Thanks for the warning
why....?
Well this is so sad
what's the reason for closing ?
Click on the link provided to BRC for a detailed description of what’s happening.
The reason is too many people refuse to stay on the trails and give the environmentalists the excuses they need to get the trails closed.
@@briangc1972 Show us the proof!
Save Moab by shutting down these trails. Preserve the land.
Nah nothings getting closed, just be faster and better then those who don’t like us riding there. They can’t stop us and will never, if we ride in herds and don’t stop for anyone or anything they’ll get the picture that we don’t care…
Ask Ammon Bundy and Finicum what happens when you ride in herds vs BLM
@@otxilac11 🤣 I had to look them and their story’s up. Man I’m talking herds of us on our dirt bikes! If the BLM wants to play like that then we sure can play right back, and there’s thousands and thousands of us willing to do so… Catch us if you can 😂 like I’ve stated before just be faster and better then those who don’t like us riding there. Also be very wise where you park and ride out from that way they can’t find your transportation vehicles and be waiting for you or tow them. Another thing is don’t document those type of rides, no go pros or nothing because well you know why. The further we get into WokeLibtardoDation the further we will have to push back and if it’s by any means necessary, so be it.
Greg you are a really good rider, even if you have moved to FRANCE!🤣 Keep up the quality videos.
My 8 hour hike was ruined by the 30 seconds I could hear a dirt bike. It RUINED the whole trip. Serenity gone. Such tragedy. Such wow.
FINALLY you can have some peace and quiet. It’s not like there are ten times as many non motorized trails than multi use trails in the country already.
maybe try using your own legs some time
Do you think I used someone else’s legs? 😂I’m willing to bet you have driven a vehicle to the trailheads before 🤔
Not all people have leggs that work or legs at all, this is a violation of the ADA // shut it down to everyone or none at all. My 95 father likes to see the back country as well I dare you to tell him to his face he can no longer see it
I'm glad they're closing it. I've seen so many people abuse those trails and not use common sense.
And your proof is?? When ever I ride these or any other trails if I see trash I pick it up, I carry a 3' grabber so I don't have to mess with the 5 pt on my SxS