Holy shit, an actual adult explaining how to play a Warlock spec without rambling or mumbling through everything at 1,000mph as if everyone has played the class for 20 years and doesn't need a nice, concise, slow breakdown of why things happen the way they do and how to take advantage of the various talent procs.
@@TwoAngryFrogshonestly though, I’ve been playing since BC first came out and just never had any interest in playing a lock😂 well now as I’m on my 6th 80 I figured why not! And they are a different beast then every class
@@smg7244 They are for sure. For me the hardest thing to get used to as compared the Hunter was having to stand still to cast almost anything. So the timing of spells is a lot more critical so you are not constantly interrupting your spell casts.
I just started a warlock alt and found your video while trying to learn. Let me say I absolutely love that you show different playstyles that while they may not maximize DPS, offer viable alternative playstyles to help keep things fun!
You don't need to cast cataclysm to maintain wither. It's an instant cast spell and havoc can apply it to save a global. The opposite talent to cataclysm is inferno which reduces the cost of rain of fire to 2 shards which makes it better for Aoe so you can keep building stacks of wither.
@justinmccray5014 Thanks for the comment! Agreed you can go either way. Inferno drives a lot more Rain of Fire casts. For AoE, Cataclysm is just an easier way to apply Wither to all enemies at once. Otherwise you need to individually DoT them outside of any Havocs.
I love the playstyle of Hellcaller - I find using the Cataclysm + Malevolence + Channel Hellfire combo on a pack of mobs so visually sarisfying and intuitive - but Diabolist does so much more damage, so quickly and so easily, that I don't feel I can play Hellcaller. I miss Channel Demonfire. 💔
@ricknose Thanks for the comment! You can also play Channel Demonfire with Diabolist. For my Warlock it is about 2% DPS loss if I take Channel Demonfire over Shadowburn. For open world content and just running around the world, that is not really a big difference.
@jayjackson3836 Thanks for the comment! In the following video (ruclips.net/video/TUbCumFFpPs/видео.html) I talk about keybindings and at the 9:00 mark there is an overlay that shows the actual keys. I use the same setup for all characters as far as where the keys are mapped into the actions bars.
@Leo.witchere That is a Details plugin that shows what I am casting that we use in some of the class videos. There is an addon called Hekili that shows you what to cast in a similar manner to that. I have never used it but I know a lot of people like it when they are learning a new class and spec.
@vonweaveygaming Thanks for the question! You are more or less weaving them in. You will want to fire one if you are sitting on 2 charges or if the action button lights up indicating it will be a critical hit. Shadowburn does damage on par with Chaos Bolt but only costs 1 Shard instead of the 2 for Chaos Bolt. But it comes with the cooldown so unlike Chaos Bolt you will sometimes have to wait to cast it.
great vid - with big aoe packs using M+ Diabolist build without Cataclysm, when would I cast / weave in immolates on additional targets as opposed to using shard aoe spenders / builders?
@thegreekgeek7113 Thanks! It is a lot more difficult in AoE just because it requires multiple casts in between looking to spam Rain of Fire as much as possible. In the video starting at 10:18 and 10:40 you'll see I am weaving them in by Tab targeting to spread across as many enemies as possible. So it really is a timing thing when you are in the process of trying to build Soul Shards for more Rain of Fire. Hope that helps!
I love the simplicity of destruction. I don’t think specs needs a two page rotation to be fun. The new visuals is a perfect example of “simple” yet fun gameplay in my opinion.
@michaelkjr3415 100% agree. I love the visuals of Destro (especially Diabolist) and it changes things up just enough to feel a bit different from Dragonflight.
Good guide overall, but I'd really like see a comparison of the two bottom-spec-tree talents "Chaos Incarnate" vs "Power Overwhelming". Both buff your Mastery but in different ways, and seem to be the only two optional nodes in the lower spec tree. Which is better? You've taken PO in your builds, but what's the math/theorycraft there?
@5133937 Thanks for the comment! For me I could probably go either way. There is only about a 3K DPS difference (less than 0.5%) between the two for my current gear, enchants, and so on. Chaos Incarnate only affects Chaos Bolt, Shadowburn, and Rain of Fire, whereas Power Overwhelming affects all spells cast. I would say of you are running Channel Demonfire over Shadowburn, that may definitely lean toward PO since you would not be getting anything from CI for Shadowburn. Honestly, there are so many variables in sims that I consider all talent recommendations as guidelines. They are definitely not hard in concrete "you have to do this". There are some talents like that just because they are so much better than others, but like you point out, PO and CI can be interchanged at times depending on the character.
@blacksunaccounts Thanks for the question. I personally do not since losing the and having to resummon is more DPS loss than you gain from sacrificing.
@SabinAlbei Thanks for the comment! Yeah you want to keep these from sitting on 2 charges. if you know you are going to need to move some you can hold on to a charge of Shadowburn so you have another instant cast while moving. For Conflagrate you get the Soul Shard generation when cast to help in keeping all of your other abilities going. It is also an instant cast you can use while on the move.
@@TwoAngryFrogs hello, thank you very much for the reply, but do I cast both of them? both charges? or do I only cast one charge, and leave one remaining? maybe now I am clearer in the question, so play with one standing, or cast both 2 Shadowburn , 2 Conflagrate into cooldown? I am trying to learn what procs backdraft and what procs eradication also to keep them up as much as possible I installed WeakAuras and imported the most used "best" HUD, it don't think it is optimal for me, I just want basic information on procs not too much clutter besides my Hekili, but i fell I will learn it anyway, and I know I was missing a lot maybe in the rotation, because I had a raid and underperformed, but now I got my gear up, and now I am doing as much research as possible.
@@TwoAngryFrogs hello, thank you very much for the reply, but do I cast both of them? both charges? or do I only cast one charge, and leave one remaining? maybe now I am clearer in the question, so play with one standing, or cast both 2 Shadowburn , 2 Conflagrate into cooldown? I am trying to learn what procs backdraft and what procs eradication also to keep them up as much as possible I installed WeakAuras and imported the most used "best" HUD, it don't think it is optimal for me, I just want basic information on procs not too much clutter besides my Hekili, but i fell I will learn it anyway, and I know I was missing a lot maybe in the rotation, because I had a raid and underperformed, but now I got my gear up, and now I am doing as much research as possible.
@@SabinAlbei For Shadowburn I will typically cast one and keep one available so if Conflagration of Chaos (Row 6 talent) procs I have one available for the critical strike for Shadowburn. Conflagrate procs Backdraft which we will most of the time use for Chaos Bolt to reduce the cast time. Then Chaos Bolt and Shadowburn both proc Eradication for 7 seconds. So you have some time before you need to hit that Next Shadowburn or Chaos Bolt to keep Eradication up. We have a video for Wekauras in which I used Destro as the example. That may help. Let me know for sure. Really cool that you are digging into this. That will 100% make you a better player.
@Tommyllamadingdong With the nerfs they just made this week it sounds like it may be a bit easier. I know they did improve the Taunt for the Voidwalker so hopefully that helps because as a Tank it was pretty useless at times. Good luck!
@HampusNilssonUlvan It took me a bit to get used to it but I definitely like having the additional instant cast, which we severely lack for Destro. After playing it enough, I have gotten better at fitting it into the rotation.
@Michaelkayslay We are considering more Class and Spec type videos. For us, those seem to do pretty well so we must be doing something right with those. I think ... 😂
Thank you both so much for this guide, as well as for all your content! Any chance you have a recommended spec for Delve diving? :) Please keep up the great work! 💜
@Desdemonique Thank you so much! We really appreciate the support. I go Diabolist for Delves and that is also what I have seen recommended by several people.
@sirsaxon7039 I am definitely a Diabolist fan. Love how reactive the play style is. Also Hellcaller just got stealth nerfed so not sure how bad it got hurt.
@@anthonyzarfati3579 It looks like Hellcaller tends to be the more bursty build while Diabolist is a flatter damage profile. The one minute burst window for Hellcaller definitely drives up the damage.
@mr.nobody5279 We have seen some over the last few weeks. Not sure we will see anything further until after they get some data from Mythic dungeons and raid.
@@TriggaTrey361 That I do not know. I would not trust anything yet since the only data we have is from Heroic dungeons. No Mythic+ or Raid data yet so any meta lists are purely based on sims right now, i.e. what is vest on paper.
Holy shit, an actual adult explaining how to play a Warlock spec without rambling or mumbling through everything at 1,000mph as if everyone has played the class for 20 years and doesn't need a nice, concise, slow breakdown of why things happen the way they do and how to take advantage of the various talent procs.
@DukeLetoIII My comment of the day! This one cracked me up 🤣. Glad you enjoyed the video.
couldn't agree more with this!
@@modgeman1 Thanks!
@@TwoAngryFrogshonestly though, I’ve been playing since BC first came out and just never had any interest in playing a lock😂 well now as I’m on my 6th 80 I figured why not! And they are a different beast then every class
@@smg7244 They are for sure. For me the hardest thing to get used to as compared the Hunter was having to stand still to cast almost anything. So the timing of spells is a lot more critical so you are not constantly interrupting your spell casts.
I appreciate the detail. Coming back to WoW after 10-13 years-so it’s a bit of a learning curve for me.
@MichaelPollock-c2s So glad we could help. And welcome back! 😊
I just started a warlock alt and found your video while trying to learn. Let me say I absolutely love that you show different playstyles that while they may not maximize DPS, offer viable alternative playstyles to help keep things fun!
@MSalem7777 Thank you! Really appreciate that and we'll make sure we keep that up going forward.
Awesome guide you got my sub 👍
@jamesrohling Awesome, thank you! Much appreciated.
You don't need to cast cataclysm to maintain wither. It's an instant cast spell and havoc can apply it to save a global. The opposite talent to cataclysm is inferno which reduces the cost of rain of fire to 2 shards which makes it better for Aoe so you can keep building stacks of wither.
@justinmccray5014 Thanks for the comment! Agreed you can go either way. Inferno drives a lot more Rain of Fire casts. For AoE, Cataclysm is just an easier way to apply Wither to all enemies at once. Otherwise you need to individually DoT them outside of any Havocs.
I see you with the Oblivion music 👌
@jambobrenn8171 Yeah that is all AngryFrog 2. He grabs Oblivion, Dark Souls, and other really good music.
Great guide!
@Zapijatko Thanks!
Great guide! Thanks!
@SeanHarper-q9e Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
I love the playstyle of Hellcaller - I find using the Cataclysm + Malevolence + Channel Hellfire combo on a pack of mobs so visually sarisfying and intuitive - but Diabolist does so much more damage, so quickly and so easily, that I don't feel I can play Hellcaller. I miss Channel Demonfire. 💔
@ricknose Thanks for the comment! You can also play Channel Demonfire with Diabolist. For my Warlock it is about 2% DPS loss if I take Channel Demonfire over Shadowburn. For open world content and just running around the world, that is not really a big difference.
@@TwoAngryFrogs Also, I forgot to say, the video itself is excellent and I really like your content.
@@ricknose Thank you!
I have been loving destruction while levelling so this really helps, thank you!
@jontxu978 Happy to help and thanks for the comment!
I know this a few months later but what are your keybinds. I am new to this whole mouse and keyboard thing
@jayjackson3836 Thanks for the comment! In the following video (ruclips.net/video/TUbCumFFpPs/видео.html) I talk about keybindings and at the 9:00 mark there is an overlay that shows the actual keys. I use the same setup for all characters as far as where the keys are mapped into the actions bars.
what is the add on on the side that shows you what you need to cast please sir ?
@Leo.witchere That is a Details plugin that shows what I am casting that we use in some of the class videos. There is an addon called Hekili that shows you what to cast in a similar manner to that. I have never used it but I know a lot of people like it when they are learning a new class and spec.
@@TwoAngryFrogs thanks my liege
@@leWitchereTwitch
Great video ty
@MrNodrog518 Thank you!
Thank you!
@sacredcow61 You're welcome!
Haste=crit means the % or the stat value? Like 5000 haste and 5000 crit, or like 30% haste and 30% crit?
@alexandervignettes9537 We are looking at it from % values and thanks for the question.
Love the video thank you.
@ricknegron Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it!
I really cannot get used to shadowburn. Like do i use that over chaos bolt or just try weave it in every so often. I just dont get it lol
@vonweaveygaming Thanks for the question! You are more or less weaving them in. You will want to fire one if you are sitting on 2 charges or if the action button lights up indicating it will be a critical hit. Shadowburn does damage on par with Chaos Bolt but only costs 1 Shard instead of the 2 for Chaos Bolt. But it comes with the cooldown so unlike Chaos Bolt you will sometimes have to wait to cast it.
@TwoAngryFrogs ahh I see. That makes a lot of sense. I've been using it past couple of days and I think im getting used to it 😂
@@vonweaveygaming Awesome!
great vid - with big aoe packs using M+ Diabolist build without Cataclysm, when would I cast / weave in immolates on additional targets as opposed to using shard aoe spenders / builders?
@thegreekgeek7113 Thanks! It is a lot more difficult in AoE just because it requires multiple casts in between looking to spam Rain of Fire as much as possible. In the video starting at 10:18 and 10:40 you'll see I am weaving them in by Tab targeting to spread across as many enemies as possible. So it really is a timing thing when you are in the process of trying to build Soul Shards for more Rain of Fire. Hope that helps!
Thanks for the vid.
@joshuasavill1874 Thanks for watching!
When you say shadowburn proc, what proc are you referring to?
@mintent Thanks for the question! Shadowburn will proc for a guaranteed critical strike. It should light up your action bar button when it procs.
@@TwoAngryFrogs Thanks!
I love the simplicity of destruction. I don’t think specs needs a two page rotation to be fun.
The new visuals is a perfect example of “simple” yet fun gameplay in my opinion.
@michaelkjr3415 100% agree. I love the visuals of Destro (especially Diabolist) and it changes things up just enough to feel a bit different from Dragonflight.
Good guide overall, but I'd really like see a comparison of the two bottom-spec-tree talents "Chaos Incarnate" vs "Power Overwhelming". Both buff your Mastery but in different ways, and seem to be the only two optional nodes in the lower spec tree. Which is better? You've taken PO in your builds, but what's the math/theorycraft there?
@5133937 Thanks for the comment! For me I could probably go either way. There is only about a 3K DPS difference (less than 0.5%) between the two for my current gear, enchants, and so on. Chaos Incarnate only affects Chaos Bolt, Shadowburn, and Rain of Fire, whereas Power Overwhelming affects all spells cast. I would say of you are running Channel Demonfire over Shadowburn, that may definitely lean toward PO since you would not be getting anything from CI for Shadowburn.
Honestly, there are so many variables in sims that I consider all talent recommendations as guidelines. They are definitely not hard in concrete "you have to do this". There are some talents like that just because they are so much better than others, but like you point out, PO and CI can be interchanged at times depending on the character.
Do you ever sacrifice pet?
@blacksunaccounts Thanks for the question. I personally do not since losing the and having to resummon is more DPS loss than you gain from sacrificing.
Cast Shadowburn Icon Shadowburn when at 2 charges and Conflagrate the same is this correct? cast them when we have 2 charges?
@SabinAlbei Thanks for the comment! Yeah you want to keep these from sitting on 2 charges. if you know you are going to need to move some you can hold on to a charge of Shadowburn so you have another instant cast while moving. For Conflagrate you get the Soul Shard generation when cast to help in keeping all of your other abilities going. It is also an instant cast you can use while on the move.
@@TwoAngryFrogs hello, thank you very much for the reply, but do I cast both of them? both charges? or do I only cast one charge, and leave one remaining? maybe now I am clearer in the question, so play with one standing, or cast both 2 Shadowburn , 2 Conflagrate into cooldown? I am trying to learn what procs backdraft and what procs eradication also to keep them up as much as possible I installed WeakAuras and imported the most used "best" HUD, it don't think it is optimal for me, I just want basic information on procs not too much clutter besides my Hekili, but i fell I will learn it anyway, and I know I was missing a lot maybe in the rotation, because I had a raid and underperformed, but now I got my gear up, and now I am doing as much research as possible.
@@TwoAngryFrogs hello, thank you very much for the reply, but do I cast both of them? both charges? or do I only cast one charge, and leave one remaining? maybe now I am clearer in the question, so play with one standing, or cast both 2 Shadowburn , 2 Conflagrate into cooldown? I am trying to learn what procs backdraft and what procs eradication also to keep them up as much as possible I installed WeakAuras and imported the most used "best" HUD, it don't think it is optimal for me, I just want basic information on procs not too much clutter besides my Hekili, but i fell I will learn it anyway, and I know I was missing a lot maybe in the rotation, because I had a raid and underperformed, but now I got my gear up, and now I am doing as much research as possible.
@@SabinAlbei For Shadowburn I will typically cast one and keep one available so if Conflagration of Chaos (Row 6 talent) procs I have one available for the critical strike for Shadowburn. Conflagrate procs Backdraft which we will most of the time use for Chaos Bolt to reduce the cast time. Then Chaos Bolt and Shadowburn both proc Eradication for 7 seconds. So you have some time before you need to hit that Next Shadowburn or Chaos Bolt to keep Eradication up. We have a video for Wekauras in which I used Destro as the example. That may help. Let me know for sure. Really cool that you are digging into this. That will 100% make you a better player.
Very good guide, I'm following you from DF, what Weakaura are you using? I can't find it in wago
@valentincardozo3761 Thank you! That is the Luxthos weakaura. You can grab from Wago but I typically just go to his site. www.luxthos.com/
For anyone else looking for it, the WA is Luxthos warlock
Maybe this will get me through delves.
@Tommyllamadingdong With the nerfs they just made this week it sounds like it may be a bit easier. I know they did improve the Taunt for the Voidwalker so hopefully that helps because as a Tank it was pretty useless at times. Good luck!
Shadowburn really does make the entire spec so much less enjoyable
@HampusNilssonUlvan It took me a bit to get used to it but I definitely like having the additional instant cast, which we severely lack for Destro. After playing it enough, I have gotten better at fitting it into the rotation.
I love destro but I wanna learn affliction
@Michaelkayslay We are considering more Class and Spec type videos. For us, those seem to do pretty well so we must be doing something right with those. I think ... 😂
Thank you both so much for this guide, as well as for all your content! Any chance you have a recommended spec for Delve diving? :) Please keep up the great work! 💜
@Desdemonique Thank you so much! We really appreciate the support. I go Diabolist for Delves and that is also what I have seen recommended by several people.
Hellcaller is so dull and slow after playing Diabolist
@sirsaxon7039 I am definitely a Diabolist fan. Love how reactive the play style is. Also Hellcaller just got stealth nerfed so not sure how bad it got hurt.
Yeah but Malevolence and wither feel good for sure
@@anthonyzarfati3579 It looks like Hellcaller tends to be the more bursty build while Diabolist is a flatter damage profile. The one minute burst window for Hellcaller definitely drives up the damage.
Not really. The wither mechanic is extremely fulfilling when you can constantly apply wither and stacks of wither with shadowburn and rain of fire.
BUFF DESTRO
@mr.nobody5279 We have seen some over the last few weeks. Not sure we will see anything further until after they get some data from Mythic dungeons and raid.
@@TwoAngryFrogswhats the meta lock spec rn affliction?
@@TriggaTrey361 That I do not know. I would not trust anything yet since the only data we have is from Heroic dungeons. No Mythic+ or Raid data yet so any meta lists are purely based on sims right now, i.e. what is vest on paper.
You didn't just read the tooltips and beg for clips, you get a sub unlike 'the others'.
@brandonweaver5910 Thank you. Much appreciated!
Same. Most clear explanation of the hero talents and AoE/single target usage.