Matt: are the endings good enough? mat: thats subjective. Matt: ok as someone I trust- mat: that's subjective. Matt: fine, as a friend- mat: thats subjective. Matt: AS YOUR FUCKING BOSS-
@@alexanderking8336 "Something to that effect" sounds like the best way to put it because this game seems to be more interested in being shocking and obtuse than painting a coherent picture.
Actually makes sense that some sort of entity that has the consciousness of the father trying to end the marriage of brother and sister, and constantly resetting the timeline when It doesn't go his way
Its actually not that complicated: Everything that happened in the appartment with the wife and the "cop" is just in his mind, because of the hypnotic session with his dad, who tries to make him realise, that he can't have a future with his sister and have to forget her. That's why he goes through every possible scenario, in his mind, why the pocked watch is the same as in the room with the dad, why the dad and the "cop" are the same and so on. There is actually only two real endings, that lead to the full credits. Both of them breaking the loop and end with the hypnotic session. So that's the real ending and the rest is just in his mind, during the hypnotic.
@@justebob well, thats my point. MatPat is overthinking it because he thought that this couldnt be as simple as "Yeah its just inside of his mind" Which in my opinion, is pretty much the same as "its all just a dream"
40:00 Mindfulness is THE ending. If you got the ending yourself by playing the game, you will discover that the Mindfulness ending breaks you out of the loop; there is no Continue at the title screen after this ending because you "woke up". There is no time travel, the husband never married his half-sister, the father was never killed, the cop is the husband's projection of the father (during the apartment sequence) who is there to sabotage the marriage, everything that happened in the game takes place in the husband's mind during some kind of therapy or meditation session with his father to deal with his obsession with his half-sister that his father was trying to stop (the wife reading the red book about meditation and humming Frère Jacques hints that the husband is in a meditative/sleeping state the entire time).
I am so glad that I wasn’t the only one who thought of this! I mean, to be fair, the gameplay is confusing, but I believe that that’s kind of the point. Especially if the man in the study actually uses hypnotism. The whole thing is the main character (the husband) trying to break loose of the fake narrative he has created t aid him with the realisation that he married his sister and murdered their father. -It’s important to keep in mind that the few consistent points of this story are the wife, and the therapist/hypnocist/cop, and the murder 8 years earlier. It did strike me as odd that the models for the father in the flashback (that played once) was different than the one consistently shown in the study. -I agree that the therepy sessions are the most likely reality of the situation, but I also believe that there must have been a trigger to them, which I believe to be the final realisation that they are related. The murdering part I get that he could block out (and effectively forget), but intentionally marrying his sister, that is too far fetched, thaking into consideration the way in which the husband reacted when he found out. The shock of that revelation must have finally triggered his memory of the murder, leading up to him confessing to a cop and going to jail, through which he has gained access to therapy. It’s still just a theory, though that’s how I’d interpret the story based on what we got.
@@Creation_kitchen it’s all a dream, he’s imagining what his life with his sister could be like but his father (the cop) always comes and ruins it, showing him it’s just not possible.
I think the story is that the mindfulness ending tells us the story is about the husband “bargaining” with the dad on the affair in that room. The part that they are brother and sister and about the mom is real, but he never got past the point from which he is “caught” by the dad. He probably learns about the truth from the dad that he is in love with his own sister, and he tries and tries to find the perfect solution to this endeavour. He plays thousands and thousands of scenarios, but none of them is truly setting him free. The past (manifest as the cop, and hence why the cop and the father is actually the same person) keeps coming back and haunts him. The only three actual endings are either choose to break up (and be miserable), to forget, or to accept this is all in his head.
Reminds me of the story of Achilles and Pericles. At the end of the day, there is truly no happy ending. The moment he fell in love he was fated to live or die in misery.
@@darckeflex9782 given how Undertale fans historically treated him, I wouldn’t be surprised or disappointed if Matpat has a hard NO to Undertale/Deltarune. That might also be why they didn’t continue Omori.
Alright I am not Undertale fan or any thing I just mean it was released and said maybe Matpat will do a live about it or not some day or not so I know.
I heard that the true ending in the game is the book ending and that the events of the game "in the future" don't actually happen, it's metaphorical for the hypnosis the main character goes through and the therapy that makes him forget being attracted to his sister. The Cop isn't actually the father but represents the father within this hypnosis, which is why they're both voiced by Willem Dafoe. Although I'm unsure of how much of this I've explained properly or how much of it is true in general.
I've only watched MatPat's playthrough of this game, and if they did get everything, then it's really not explained well at all in game. Its seems like the writers fell into the trap of knowing their narrative too well and expecting the audience to understand the subtleties most wouldn't notice.
@@MrMaorn I think that it's a little of that, but also a little of them wanting to not give a clwar answer and letting the players what, if anything, the whole means. One last meta-ending after all the in-game endings. Even that's not clearly obvious, but I think that that was part of the intent.
@@MrMaorn nah the only confusing part is the time jumping and figuring out its hypnosis, literally everything else can be attributed to mat simply not listening to the information given to him amd even then the hypnosis os honter at throughout the story
Exactly! And then when he got the watch on the next run, he chose to leave the conversation instead of telling the cop about the watch. And then he blamed the game🤦🏻♂️ He does this with most games when he doesn't think of the most obvious solution; he just blames the games for his inadequacies And it's even more annoying when even background Mat doesn't notice the mistakes Mat makes... Steph was much better at noticing such things
To answer Mat's question about the twelve minutes, you have to rewind the clock 2 minutes from the 12, and the time loop ends at 10 minutes. You basically unlock the 2 minutes to get the 12 minutes.
The start of the game is 11:58 when you step out of the elevator, it takes the main character 2 minutes to get inside his home, and the loop is 10 minutes long. 10+2=12.
Basically, the Mc is in therapy. He found out he loved his sister and his mind broke. He imagined a world where he lived with her, but subconsciously recognized that it can't ever work, with his therapist (the "cop") representing the voice of reason that always ruins this happy place. We can see this in the fact the pictures and paintings in the house keep changing based on how much of the story the player finds out (there's two trees and a baby tree between them, but eventually they all wither, and further on only the broken taller tree representing the husband is the only one left, for example). The endings are mostly how his mind interprets all of this. The one with the empty apartment is him recognizing that it's all an illusion, BUT he still retreats to it, it's just now an empty one instead of a happy one. The forgetfulness one is where he gives up on getting help and regresses back to how he was at the start of his therapy sessions. The mindfulness one is where he realizes he never actually married his sister, that he was living in a fantasy, and that he needs to be aware of all of these and move on.
Does he ever learn that the majority of this game is set in a hypothetical dreamscape? That it’s not real and his father is trying to convince him it’s a bad idea to pursue his sister?
56:35 Steph: "You definitely killed your wife and kid!" MatPat: "I'll tell you about it at some point. Let's have some chocolate cake" 56:53 MatPat: "I'm gonna have some chocolate cake with my wife, who's definitely not my sister" Steph: "Say what?!" It looks like that "at some point" was just a few seconds later (that was the perfect wrap-up for the series) 😂 🎂
The ending to this video is better then any ending in the game “I’m going to go have chocolate cake with my wife now, who is definitely not my sister” steph: “WHAT?!?” 😂
Okay, this whole series has been one giant mess, but that last minute and a half? Uncharacteristic vulnerability, wholesomeness, and a couple of lines of comedic gold? Worth it.
I was waiting for that joke at the end from Mat about Steph after all of this. I wish we got Steph’s facial reaction to it outside of her vocal reaction and the aftermath with Mat explaining to her all of this.
Am I the only one who found it amusing that Mat and Steph who used to be mistaken as sibling are partners while two characters in the games who are partners are actually siblings? No? Okay.
@Jonathan Williams that's how you say that they're husband and wife? Partners is gender neutral, and could be a long term relationship or marriage. In this case what matters more is them being together in general regardless of if they're married or just dating, and their genders don't matter. (besides the pregnancy thing, but it doesn't apply to this joke.)
I want to go back to a conversation matpat had on, if the dad was a hypnotist. I say he is not because what is really happening is that you are having the conversation with the dad, but your character during this conversation is trying to make these scenarios with his sister/wife, if he were to keep loving her which is where this game takes place... in his mind. The reason you are in the time loop is because you are playing the scenarios your character is making in his head. That also explains why the dad says "hey you where in a shock" when you go back to the "book room", because the dad knocks you out of those scenarios. I hope this comment helps you and hopefully makes it into your theory video.
There are several hints that you aren't in a time loop and that the titular 12 Minutes is his therapy session with the bulk of the loop you play being his imagination. Various items progress despite the loop from the flower continuing to grow as you water it to pictures morphing from his happy fantasy into a lonely demon.
I’m not gonna lie the fact that Matt didn’t realize he never grabbed the watch and kept blaming the game was SO INFURIATING. I was screaming at my screen like it’s a horror movie
It definitely looked like he grabbed it tho, I didn't even notice till I read the comments lol.. Knowing this game, I thought he just missed one minuscule detail or the game bugged or something
Going on Matt’s theory about the Dad being a time traveller, what if the “cop” is actually the Dad who couldn’t find travel anymore without the pocket watch, and he’s on a search for the pocket watch not to sell, but in order to go back in time again to stop their kids from marrying each other.
My theory about this whole shebang is that the character that Willem Dafoe plays in the flashback is indeed both the characters and the sister-wife’s father, that they are half-siblings. Dafoe is only credited as “Father” in the credits. However, the whole apartment scenario is imaginary. Dafoe’s character is a hypnotist or a therapist that uses hypnotism of some kind, and is attempting to help his son (the “Monster”) to stop having these daydreams about his half-sister and about making a life with her. In the “Coward” ending, the sister refers to her father being “really into that kind of thing” [meditation], implying that he’s some kind of mental specialist. I think that the “Monster” killing his father is real, as it’s placed in the father’s office, and that the he is making up these scenarios to attempt to escape the daydream he’s locked himself into and figure out what he did. The cop is his conscience in the form of his father coming back to punish him for it, and so he’s racing against the clock to figure out what he did and why, in order to remember the truth. Thus why the only scenes hat truly end and restart the game are him remembering his father’s office. But hey, that’s just a theory. 😂
"So this is a purgatory state." You're so close! Like right there! Why is being in a time loop more believable as reality than sitting in front of a psychiatrist and being hypnotized?!
I'm so glad I watched this to the end. This game was paaaaaaainful to sit through. And those first two extra endings were the worst. but boy howdy, was that last minute the best pay off! XD Steph is a treasure
8:07 The general word for "sui--de" in Japanese is "jisatsu/自殺" (literally meaning "self k--l"); "sep--ku/切腹" and "ha--kiri/腹切" both refer to disembowelment (their literal translation is "belly cut").
I'm assuming she's more bothered about the fact that he married and impregnated his sister/ persued the daughter of his murder victim in order to date her without her knowing anything
The amount of times I see Mat make a mistake and blame the game for it is baffling, because he in fact did not grab the pocket watch in the first run. However, I still had fun watching.
@@twilightvulpine As someone that has seen nearly every stream from this channels start (not assuming you are or are not as well), the games that GTLive decides to stream tend to be games in which specific steps are necessary, however, since most creator's mindsets are mostly /content/ focused, and because of MatPat's detail-oriented mindset (which contradicts the /content/ mindset), he gets frustrated easily by missing out on a detail he missed, but viewers can point out and rake him over, much to his chagrin.
@@TheSummerChu Other games tend to have more of a leeway for correcting mistakes, instead of locking them into a failed route because a character just doesn't feel like letting the player fetch what they wanted. A viewer can easily notice the issue but this is a kind of mistake many people would make, if we even can call it a mistake, not predicting that the game expects a specific order of actions to deliver the item you know how to retrieve at any time.
I can’t believe they’re still trying to uncover the mysteries of this game it’s been like a whole month lmaoo Edit: Matpat the game is rlly finicky the failed runs are not your fault
The best ending of them all was the punchline we got in the witty wrap-up. The chocolate cake reference, the Stephanie's YOUR WHAT, it was really the most satisfying and funniest ending of them all~
Only just stumbled onto this. But my thoughts: Everything is in his mind. The hallway, the apartment...everything. That is why there is a painting of a daliah and one of the bookshelf in the dad's office. It is the memories he is trying to suppress. The cop is really the dad's memory trying to break through. The real discussion with the dad revealed he was the brother so he really knew about it and suppressed it. This is the memories all coming out and tormenting the protagonist. His brain is making up all these stories because of his coping.
I KIND of suffered through this whole playthrough, there have been rough moments where I got mad at them playing and all of that... But the ending with Steph? The ending with Steph was the perfect mix of wholesome and funny and it made the whole thing worth it. Thanks Mat and GT Live!!!
30:53 what i think happened was, he hypnotized him and thought that he would forget about his sister and not be in love with her, but he just forgot that they were related and still loved her and thats when the father attacked him because he didnt want his daughter dating her brother and thats when father was killed
I'll be honest I think the last ending you watched is probably my favorite. Simultaneously emotionally satisfying and dark when you remember that the guy is fully aware of how messed up his relationship is but is at the point where he simply doesn't care and will do anything to be happy again.
35:04 No, the game was not reset, only the husband's memory of the previous loops was erased. The things you did to the plant in the bedroom and the paintings you saw in the previous loops carries into this loop, just like any other loop.
Wow, this was honestly so entertaining to watch Matthew play. With you guys wrapping up a relatively big series here on GTLive, I thought I might make a humble playthrough suggestion if you're interested. Seeing you guys play Witch's House and dipping your toes into the RPGmaker scene was so exciting, and a game of the same genre recently released on Steam on the 8th. "Space Yandere," despite the generic sounding name it's a well polished game developed and produced by a small but skilled studio "Horror Shop Games." It's a small 45 minute game that doesn't promise anything too ambitious, but delivers its short and sweet story with excellency. I think it would be especially nice to give the studio some well deserved traffic if I can, and I think it's right up your guys' alley if you're interested. The characters are loveable, the horror is unnerving, the art is cute, and the gameplay is intuitive. I will admit that it's a personal request, but I genuinely think you guys will love it!
It's also another multiple endings scenario, so there is a Bad Ending, Neutral Ending, Good Ending, and Best Ending. I don't expect you to do game at all, but I thought it was worth mentioning in case you do...
Im pretty sure the whole father/library scene is a mindscape representation. It comes from interacting with a reversing watch and changes or unlocks his memory.
I’m surprised that Matpat hasn’t played or even mentioned deltarune ch2; since it came out almost a month ago and that it’s also one of his favorite franchises. I am looking forward to hearing his thoughts on it though. The new update definitely answered but also raised a few questions about the overall plot.
27:30 And that's why there was that painting at the beginning with the red book! Edit: 34:20 And there it is! 40:15 Anyone else getting never ending nightmare vibes? 45:05 So. Did she have an affair? IS the baby not actually an insest baby? 57:05 MatPat: "I'm going to go have chocolate with my wife who is definitely not my sister!" Stephanie: "WAIT. WHAT?!" Me: "I remember when people didn't think they were married and legitimately thought they were siblings."
Matt needs to look at the paintings in each stage more. Also, I think the dad was never dead. I think the son went to the dad for help and everything is in his head. Also, I think the other 2 minutes are the two minutes the dad is hypnotizing you before all of this.
The first person to find out you need to stare at the pocket watch for a while to get one of the endings was probably afk and then came back to an old man yelling at them
Matt: my wife that is definitely not my sister.
Steph: wait WHAT
@@hikarirose1826 no
NGL that was the PERFECT way to end the video XD
I laughed at that a lot XD
Every body gangsta ‘till Matt gets stuck in a time loop
The funniest part is people used to think Steph was his sister because they look so similar lol
First instruction: grab the pocket watch
Mat: doesn't grab the pocket watch
Twice or three times after that
i thought he'd grabbed it lol did he just open it up and not grab it? XD
@@Chronicler9 He barely missed the watch location when he clicked which apparently just backs you out of the vent.
I had to back it up, but he definitely missed the watch.
Bruh fr, I was like "he didn't even pick up the watch in the first place"😭😭😭
“Eat some chocolate cake with my wife who is definitely not my sister.”
“Wait, WHAT?”
Stephanie is a gem.
Best part of the ep
Lovin' that reaction. It made the whole episode worth it. And just watching Matt's "I need a hug" moment...
10 seconds of second-hand exposure is enough to pick up on what nonsense this game is.
I wanted to see her reacting to his explanation over small chocolate cake
This is the perfect ending to this mess of a series!
Steph’s “WHAT?!?” right at the end of the video was everything.
It said everything that this game has offered to us
That poor woman probably had a heart attack!
Yeah that was far and away the best part of this whole series. Only thing even remotely close is the shanking probably. Haha
Best moment❤️
i heard that as i read this comment omg
The way Matt took forever to finish a game called "12 minutes" is almost ironic. And I always love a Steph cameo!
More like 12 episodes haha, but no, really, I liked this series
@@micky63 shut up this is a channel with children
@@scarynoise996 they've been reported
RUclips: we have reported this
Me: yeah likes that’s ever gonna happen
@@GameIdiots69 I mean fair point
Matt: are the endings good enough?
mat: thats subjective.
Matt: ok as someone I trust-
mat: that's subjective.
Matt: fine, as a friend-
mat: thats subjective.
Matt: AS YOUR FUCKING BOSS-
I love this 😂😂😂
What when was this? Timestamp? Must have missed it
@@kimberleyjaay6973 3:48
They made it funnier lol
Your*
Sorry.
MatPat: "so time travel is canonical now with that scene"
Also MatPat: has been playing a game that's central mechanic is being stuck in a timeloop.
That’s not necessarily time travel, because they never explain why it keeps looping
Afaik it's a mindscape; the father and the cop look and sound the same because they represent the dude's conscience, or something to that effect.
@@alexanderking8336 wait, so even that part isn’t real?
@@alexanderking8336 "Something to that effect" sounds like the best way to put it because this game seems to be more interested in being shocking and obtuse than painting a coherent picture.
@@MiloMurphysLaw No the loop is the guy just having a nervous breakdown as he's remembering and putting it all together.
The fact that MatPat thought the dad was a time lord shows just how he gets to such insane theories
@@hikarirose1826 no
Actually makes sense that some sort of entity that has the consciousness of the father trying to end the marriage of brother and sister, and constantly resetting the timeline when It doesn't go his way
I always thought the theories came from him deeply analysing games, turns out they come from ignoring the blatant information the game tells you
Its actually not that complicated:
Everything that happened in the appartment with the wife and the "cop" is just in his mind, because of the hypnotic session with his dad, who tries to make him realise, that he can't have a future with his sister and have to forget her. That's why he goes through every possible scenario, in his mind, why the pocked watch is the same as in the room with the dad, why the dad and the "cop" are the same and so on.
There is actually only two real endings, that lead to the full credits. Both of them breaking the loop and end with the hypnotic session. So that's the real ending and the rest is just in his mind, during the hypnotic.
Finally someone not dumn like Matt who was thinking really to far
@@justebob tbf, its almost the same as "it was all just a dream" plot, and matpat thinks that the developers are so much more smart than that.
@@NshbrVrjsn no he is just over thinking don't try to give Matt Pat some intelligent point he doesn't have
@@justebob well, thats my point. MatPat is overthinking it because he thought that this couldnt be as simple as "Yeah its just inside of his mind" Which in my opinion, is pretty much the same as "its all just a dream"
@@NshbrVrjsn yep and so it's a bit proof that is feeling and instinct are not really good too and to not trust him very well
40:00 Mindfulness is THE ending. If you got the ending yourself by playing the game, you will discover that the Mindfulness ending breaks you out of the loop; there is no Continue at the title screen after this ending because you "woke up". There is no time travel, the husband never married his half-sister, the father was never killed, the cop is the husband's projection of the father (during the apartment sequence) who is there to sabotage the marriage, everything that happened in the game takes place in the husband's mind during some kind of therapy or meditation session with his father to deal with his obsession with his half-sister that his father was trying to stop (the wife reading the red book about meditation and humming Frère Jacques hints that the husband is in a meditative/sleeping state the entire time).
Ok that makes more sense! but... I’m still confused
I am so glad that I wasn’t the only one who thought of this! I mean, to be fair, the gameplay is confusing, but I believe that that’s kind of the point. Especially if the man in the study actually uses hypnotism.
The whole thing is the main character (the husband) trying to break loose of the fake narrative he has created t aid him with the realisation that he married his sister and murdered their father.
-It’s important to keep in mind that the few consistent points of this story are the wife, and the therapist/hypnocist/cop, and the murder 8 years earlier.
It did strike me as odd that the models for the father in the flashback (that played once) was different than the one consistently shown in the study.
-I agree that the therepy sessions are the most likely reality of the situation, but I also believe that there must have been a trigger to them, which I believe to be the final realisation that they are related. The murdering part I get that he could block out (and effectively forget), but intentionally marrying his sister, that is too far fetched, thaking into consideration the way in which the husband reacted when he found out. The shock of that revelation must have finally triggered his memory of the murder, leading up to him confessing to a cop and going to jail, through which he has gained access to therapy.
It’s still just a theory, though that’s how I’d interpret the story based on what we got.
@@Creation_kitchen it’s all a dream, he’s imagining what his life with his sister could be like but his father (the cop) always comes and ruins it, showing him it’s just not possible.
I think the story is that the mindfulness ending tells us the story is about the husband “bargaining” with the dad on the affair in that room. The part that they are brother and sister and about the mom is real, but he never got past the point from which he is “caught” by the dad. He probably learns about the truth from the dad that he is in love with his own sister, and he tries and tries to find the perfect solution to this endeavour. He plays thousands and thousands of scenarios, but none of them is truly setting him free. The past (manifest as the cop, and hence why the cop and the father is actually the same person) keeps coming back and haunts him. The only three actual endings are either choose to break up (and be miserable), to forget, or to accept this is all in his head.
But when he gives up he is trapped in a timeless limbo, and when he forgets he is sent right back to their married life. There is no real conclusion.
Reminds me of the story of Achilles and Pericles. At the end of the day, there is truly no happy ending. The moment he fell in love he was fated to live or die in misery.
This is the most logical explanation I’ve seen yet
@@twilightvulpine there is a ending where he ends up without his sister
Him "trying to find the perfect solution", could also be part of the hypnosis that the dad is doing on him.
I’ll miss this series, they always say we’re not here for their witty banter, but I love their witty banter.
Could have a rant hour with both Matt's 😂
Can confirm. Here always for the Double Mat Witty Banter. Makes me almost want to apply for a job with them.
Wait a second someone forgot to tell Mat that Deltarune chapter 2 came ?
@@darckeflex9782 given how Undertale fans historically treated him, I wouldn’t be surprised or disappointed if Matpat has a hard NO to Undertale/Deltarune. That might also be why they didn’t continue Omori.
Alright I am not Undertale fan or any thing I just mean it was released and said maybe Matpat will do a live about it or not some day or not so I know.
I heard that the true ending in the game is the book ending and that the events of the game "in the future" don't actually happen, it's metaphorical for the hypnosis the main character goes through and the therapy that makes him forget being attracted to his sister. The Cop isn't actually the father but represents the father within this hypnosis, which is why they're both voiced by Willem Dafoe.
Although I'm unsure of how much of this I've explained properly or how much of it is true in general.
Oh this makes sense. I watched another gameplay of this that wasn't GTLive and I still didn't get that. Thanks!
I've only watched MatPat's playthrough of this game, and if they did get everything, then it's really not explained well at all in game. Its seems like the writers fell into the trap of knowing their narrative too well and expecting the audience to understand the subtleties most wouldn't notice.
@@MrMaorn I think that it's a little of that, but also a little of them wanting to not give a clwar answer and letting the players what, if anything, the whole means. One last meta-ending after all the in-game endings. Even that's not clearly obvious, but I think that that was part of the intent.
@@MrMaorn nah the only confusing part is the time jumping and figuring out its hypnosis, literally everything else can be attributed to mat simply not listening to the information given to him amd even then the hypnosis os honter at throughout the story
I'm dying about the fact that the first run he didn't grab the watch lmao
Oh, had he opened the vent but not grabbed the watch?
@@theblazingndrman6640 yeah lol
And poor Matt (not mathew pathew) suffer for mathew pathew´s poor clicking power
Omg I just rewatched it, that's hilarious ahah
Exactly! And then when he got the watch on the next run, he chose to leave the conversation instead of telling the cop about the watch.
And then he blamed the game🤦🏻♂️
He does this with most games when he doesn't think of the most obvious solution; he just blames the games for his inadequacies
And it's even more annoying when even background Mat doesn't notice the mistakes Mat makes...
Steph was much better at noticing such things
To answer Mat's question about the twelve minutes, you have to rewind the clock 2 minutes from the 12, and the time loop ends at 10 minutes. You basically unlock the 2 minutes to get the 12 minutes.
That makes a lot of sense
Pretty meta
That’s dumb.
he even said that himself and then asked about the missing minutes lol
The start of the game is 11:58 when you step out of the elevator, it takes the main character 2 minutes to get inside his home, and the loop is 10 minutes long. 10+2=12.
Steph: "Wait What?!"
This is going to be a long story to explain
No, I think you can probably explain it within 12 minutes.
@@deepsavings3126 lol •^•
@@deepsavings3126 in 10 minutes and 2 for witty banter :)
Basically, the Mc is in therapy.
He found out he loved his sister and his mind broke. He imagined a world where he lived with her, but subconsciously recognized that it can't ever work, with his therapist (the "cop") representing the voice of reason that always ruins this happy place. We can see this in the fact the pictures and paintings in the house keep changing based on how much of the story the player finds out (there's two trees and a baby tree between them, but eventually they all wither, and further on only the broken taller tree representing the husband is the only one left, for example).
The endings are mostly how his mind interprets all of this. The one with the empty apartment is him recognizing that it's all an illusion, BUT he still retreats to it, it's just now an empty one instead of a happy one. The forgetfulness one is where he gives up on getting help and regresses back to how he was at the start of his therapy sessions.
The mindfulness one is where he realizes he never actually married his sister, that he was living in a fantasy, and that he needs to be aware of all of these and move on.
Does he ever learn that the majority of this game is set in a hypothetical dreamscape? That it’s not real and his father is trying to convince him it’s a bad idea to pursue his sister?
No
WAIT WHAT
He did in the previous episode 😃
So the entire game never actually happened???
I’m really hoping he does eventually lol
Wherin Matpat accidentally doesn't grab the pocketwatch and drives himself crazy for twenty minutes as a result.
"We kind of weren't paying attention to what was happening"
*Flashback to Matt stabbing himself*
56:35 Steph: "You definitely killed your wife and kid!" MatPat: "I'll tell you about it at some point. Let's have some chocolate cake"
56:53 MatPat: "I'm gonna have some chocolate cake with my wife, who's definitely not my sister" Steph: "Say what?!"
It looks like that "at some point" was just a few seconds later (that was the perfect wrap-up for the series) 😂 🎂
The ending to this video is better then any ending in the game “I’m going to go have chocolate cake with my wife now, who is definitely not my sister” steph: “WHAT?!?” 😂
Okay, this whole series has been one giant mess, but that last minute and a half? Uncharacteristic vulnerability, wholesomeness, and a couple of lines of comedic gold?
Worth it.
Regular people when they get mad at a game: *RAGEEE*
mat Pat: *flips*
LITTERLY
I was waiting for that joke at the end from Mat about Steph after all of this. I wish we got Steph’s facial reaction to it outside of her vocal reaction and the aftermath with Mat explaining to her all of this.
The barely picked up "WAIT WHAT" made this entire video worth watching
Sometimes, less is more
25:13
At 6:12 you missed the watch's hitbox and clicked the gap inside it which caused you to exit the vent without acquiring the watch
I cannot tell you how many times I did that myself without noticing until it was too late. So frustrating, LOL.
Yeah just watching him not getting the watch the second time is so annoying.
I was so glad to see Steph coming in as the normal person who knows nothing about this game.
That moment should be one of the best ooc gtlive quote lol
Am I the only one who found it amusing that Mat and Steph who used to be mistaken as sibling are partners while two characters in the games who are partners are actually siblings?
No?
Okay.
I was looking for this comment. It’s way too ironic!!
Partners? Are they starting a business together or something? They are husband and wife lol
@Jonathan Williams that's how you say that they're husband and wife? Partners is gender neutral, and could be a long term relationship or marriage. In this case what matters more is them being together in general regardless of if they're married or just dating, and their genders don't matter. (besides the pregnancy thing, but it doesn't apply to this joke.)
@@jonathanwilliams1271 Well they're partners in marriage AND in business so 😂 ("partners" is also a gender neutral way to say "husband/wife")
For those curious, Matpat's hoodie has "but that's just a theory, a game theory!" written on it.
this is the only time I can recall ever seeing pda between Mat and Steph and honestly, just adorable, made up for all the trauma of watching this game
Yeah such a good ending for this series lol
Mat: "Who is definitely not my sister"
Steph: *"WAIT WHAT?!"*
I want to go back to a conversation matpat had on, if the dad was a hypnotist. I say he is not because what is really happening is that you are having the conversation with the dad, but your character during this conversation is trying to make these scenarios with his sister/wife, if he were to keep loving her which is where this game takes place... in his mind. The reason you are in the time loop is because you are playing the scenarios your character is making in his head. That also explains why the dad says "hey you where in a shock" when you go back to the "book room", because the dad knocks you out of those scenarios.
I hope this comment helps you and hopefully makes it into your theory video.
“That time I accidentally married my sister and murdered my pet hamster” Matthew 2021. Epic!
lucky, you don't have a *** bot here
@@sethdove8847 thanks
"Ugh, I just found out that we're doing more 12 Minutes"
That's a very honest intro to today's episode, Matpat
MatPat: makes theories for a living and overanalyzes everything
Also MatPat: HOW DO PEOPLE FIGURE THESE THINGS OUT?
Ikr
"I'll tell you about it sometime, let's go have some chocolate cake"
That's the real true ending!
This game should come with an insanity meter 😂 😆
Add two more cause their gonna break it in the next 12 minutes or so
There are several hints that you aren't in a time loop and that the titular 12 Minutes is his therapy session with the bulk of the loop you play being his imagination. Various items progress despite the loop from the flower continuing to grow as you water it to pictures morphing from his happy fantasy into a lonely demon.
Mirror Matt avoiding the questions about the different endings in the witty banter made me smile through the rest of the vid without thought
I’m not gonna lie the fact that Matt didn’t realize he never grabbed the watch and kept blaming the game was SO INFURIATING. I was screaming at my screen like it’s a horror movie
It definitely looked like he grabbed it tho, I didn't even notice till I read the comments lol.. Knowing this game, I thought he just missed one minuscule detail or the game bugged or something
He’s making wrong dialogue choices I thought too
I’m going to go have chocolate cake with my wife who is definitely not my sister
Steph: WHAT??!?!?!
Going on Matt’s theory about the Dad being a time traveller, what if the “cop” is actually the Dad who couldn’t find travel anymore without the pocket watch, and he’s on a search for the pocket watch not to sell, but in order to go back in time again to stop their kids from marrying each other.
only question is, who is "bumblebees" then? This is so convoluted.
@@goldengreen8039 It could be the sister in an alternate timeline…?
@@goldengreen8039 adopted/foster kid?
I think thats cool and likely
@@goldengreen8039 Bumblebee could still be his daughter, possibly from another woman.
My theory about this whole shebang is that the character that Willem Dafoe plays in the flashback is indeed both the characters and the sister-wife’s father, that they are half-siblings. Dafoe is only credited as “Father” in the credits.
However, the whole apartment scenario is imaginary. Dafoe’s character is a hypnotist or a therapist that uses hypnotism of some kind, and is attempting to help his son (the “Monster”) to stop having these daydreams about his half-sister and about making a life with her. In the “Coward” ending, the sister refers to her father being “really into that kind of thing” [meditation], implying that he’s some kind of mental specialist.
I think that the “Monster” killing his father is real, as it’s placed in the father’s office, and that the he is making up these scenarios to attempt to escape the daydream he’s locked himself into and figure out what he did. The cop is his conscience in the form of his father coming back to punish him for it, and so he’s racing against the clock to figure out what he did and why, in order to remember the truth.
Thus why the only scenes hat truly end and restart the game are him remembering his father’s office.
But hey, that’s just a theory. 😂
The father hypnotises the protagonist and the protagonist dreams up everything in the game, Matt: “So is he a time lord”. WTF Matt?🤦♂️😂😂
Best part of the entire game was Mat: "I'm gonna go eat chocolate cake with my wife who definitely not my sister" Steph: "Wait what?!?!?"
"So this is a purgatory state."
You're so close! Like right there! Why is being in a time loop more believable as reality than sitting in front of a psychiatrist and being hypnotized?!
OMG I accidentally skipped to the end and seeing steph genuinely made me cry
Yeah i miss seeing her. Although mirror mat is doing a good job as cohost
56:57 my fave...step learning what game her husband and not her brother has been playing
Steph's "wait what?!"
at the end is the perfect bow on this gift of insanity
Those slow zooms on Matpat as he talks about time travel, excellent editing!
This is MatPat's descent into madness.
I'm convinced there's about 50 of those by now
Matt: "I cant play more than 3 riddle school games over 2 gtnotlives because thats too much"
meanwhile matt: TWELVE MINUTES PART TWELVE
Oh my goodness Stephanie's reaction at the end!!! And that hug was so cute you two!! Yes it is a "hold me I'm scared."
Steph appearing at the end of this playthrough is so incredibly fitting, it's almost as if it were planned!
A perfect wrap up for this series lol 😂
I love the “yea I could use a hug” from mat to steph 🥺 that was such a sweet moment
yeah I loved it too😊🥰☝️
I'm so glad I watched this to the end. This game was paaaaaaainful to sit through. And those first two extra endings were the worst. but boy howdy, was that last minute the best pay off! XD Steph is a treasure
8:07 The general word for "sui--de" in Japanese is "jisatsu/自殺" (literally meaning "self k--l"); "sep--ku/切腹" and "ha--kiri/腹切" both refer to disembowelment (their literal translation is "belly cut").
56:40
Definitely a missed opportunity to not phrase it, "Let's go eat some chocolate cake, Btw, Are you thirsty?"
I feel like it’s hypocritical, she’s angry he’s saying he killed her father, because she was also ‘hiding’ it’
I'm assuming she's more bothered about the fact that he married and impregnated his sister/ persued the daughter of his murder victim in order to date her without her knowing anything
The amount of times I see Mat make a mistake and blame the game for it is baffling, because he in fact did not grab the pocket watch in the first run. However, I still had fun watching.
Let's be fair, the way this game expect an exact series of steps is pretty annoying. Can't that guy chill for one minute?
@@twilightvulpine As someone that has seen nearly every stream from this channels start (not assuming you are or are not as well), the games that GTLive decides to stream tend to be games in which specific steps are necessary, however, since most creator's mindsets are mostly /content/ focused, and because of MatPat's detail-oriented mindset (which contradicts the /content/ mindset), he gets frustrated easily by missing out on a detail he missed, but viewers can point out and rake him over, much to his chagrin.
@@TheSummerChu Other games tend to have more of a leeway for correcting mistakes, instead of locking them into a failed route because a character just doesn't feel like letting the player fetch what they wanted.
A viewer can easily notice the issue but this is a kind of mistake many people would make, if we even can call it a mistake, not predicting that the game expects a specific order of actions to deliver the item you know how to retrieve at any time.
I mean, the game has some poor design with the grab box for the watch being so small.
@@rynvail521 Yeah, that’s fair to say
I can’t believe they’re still trying to uncover the mysteries of this game it’s been like a whole month lmaoo
Edit: Matpat the game is rlly finicky the failed runs are not your fault
Agreed
It could be he has a life?
That’s GTLive for yah
Taking him a year to find out the fnaf lore, not suprised lol
@@Agagnier ? What abt my comment implies he doesn’t lmao
The “what?” At the end is priceless
56:54 The funniest moment that I've seen on GTLive in a long time!
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Definitely
Same!
The best ending of them all was the punchline we got in the witty wrap-up. The chocolate cake reference, the Stephanie's YOUR WHAT, it was really the most satisfying and funniest ending of them all~
Stef’s “WAIT WHAT” was perfect 😂
Only just stumbled onto this. But my thoughts: Everything is in his mind. The hallway, the apartment...everything. That is why there is a painting of a daliah and one of the bookshelf in the dad's office. It is the memories he is trying to suppress. The cop is really the dad's memory trying to break through. The real discussion with the dad revealed he was the brother so he really knew about it and suppressed it. This is the memories all coming out and tormenting the protagonist. His brain is making up all these stories because of his coping.
I KIND of suffered through this whole playthrough, there have been rough moments where I got mad at them playing and all of that... But the ending with Steph? The ending with Steph was the perfect mix of wholesome and funny and it made the whole thing worth it. Thanks Mat and GT Live!!!
Yup and I glad I watch this series lol
Mirror mat trying to spoon feed matpat the endings is everything
Still waiting for Squid game in real life Matthew
You gotta ask mrbeast
@@crossedpawsgacha8702 I actually made a joke that the squid game was run by Mr beast with my bro. We concluded that it was true
@@cwanimations and it probably is
30:53 what i think happened was, he hypnotized him and thought that he would forget about his sister and not be in love with her, but he just forgot that they were related and still loved her and thats when the father attacked him because he didnt want his daughter dating her brother and thats when father was killed
MatPat channeling his inner 3 year-old, and Stephanie making an appearance at the end! *chef's kiss*
Mat missed a perfect opportunity too tell Steph he is trapped in a time loop that restarts every 12 minutes
I'll be honest I think the last ending you watched is probably my favorite. Simultaneously emotionally satisfying and dark when you remember that the guy is fully aware of how messed up his relationship is but is at the point where he simply doesn't care and will do anything to be happy again.
35:04 No, the game was not reset, only the husband's memory of the previous loops was erased. The things you did to the plant in the bedroom and the paintings you saw in the previous loops carries into this loop, just like any other loop.
I lost it at Steph’s “WAIT WHAT?!”
MatPat leaves the conversation and then proceeds to misremember everything.
"Arbitrarily" leaves the conversation instead of using one of the actual game choices while holding the watch.
Yay I have been waiting for this episode!!!!
To defend MirrorMatt, at the beginning he DID tell Mat to get the watch and he never did 😅
Wow, this was honestly so entertaining to watch Matthew play. With you guys wrapping up a relatively big series here on GTLive, I thought I might make a humble playthrough suggestion if you're interested. Seeing you guys play Witch's House and dipping your toes into the RPGmaker scene was so exciting, and a game of the same genre recently released on Steam on the 8th. "Space Yandere," despite the generic sounding name it's a well polished game developed and produced by a small but skilled studio "Horror Shop Games." It's a small 45 minute game that doesn't promise anything too ambitious, but delivers its short and sweet story with excellency. I think it would be especially nice to give the studio some well deserved traffic if I can, and I think it's right up your guys' alley if you're interested. The characters are loveable, the horror is unnerving, the art is cute, and the gameplay is intuitive. I will admit that it's a personal request, but I genuinely think you guys will love it!
It's also another multiple endings scenario, so there is a Bad Ending, Neutral Ending, Good Ending, and Best Ending. I don't expect you to do game at all, but I thought it was worth mentioning in case you do...
@@micky63 I apologize if I'm wrong, but that reply looks like bot spam that I don't want to look any further into...
This goes for anyone else who's interested too, it's totally worth the $3 to play it...
Im pretty sure the whole father/library scene is a mindscape representation. It comes from interacting with a reversing watch and changes or unlocks his memory.
I’m surprised that Matpat hasn’t played or even mentioned deltarune ch2; since it came out almost a month ago and that it’s also one of his favorite franchises. I am looking forward to hearing his thoughts on it though. The new update definitely answered but also raised a few questions about the overall plot.
20:13
Mat: “But the first time I had it!”
Me at my phone acting like he’s gonna hear me: “NO YOU DIDN’T!”
*Fails to pick up watch*
"THIS GAME IS IMPOSSIBLE!"
The "wait, what?!" From Stephanie is absolutely gold!
Mat never got the watch in the first run, that’s why he said he didn’t have it with him, that’s pretty funny
Yeah and kinda frustrating to watch it. But for Steph cameo and few golden comedic lines is worth it 😂
27:30
And that's why there was that painting at the beginning with the red book!
Edit:
34:20
And there it is!
40:15
Anyone else getting never ending nightmare vibes?
45:05
So. Did she have an affair? IS the baby not actually an insest baby?
57:05
MatPat: "I'm going to go have chocolate with my wife who is definitely not my sister!"
Stephanie: "WAIT. WHAT?!"
Me: "I remember when people didn't think they were married and legitimately thought they were siblings."
Matt needs to look at the paintings in each stage more. Also, I think the dad was never dead. I think the son went to the dad for help and everything is in his head.
Also, I think the other 2 minutes are the two minutes the dad is hypnotizing you before all of this.
The first person to find out you need to stare at the pocket watch for a while to get one of the endings was probably afk and then came back to an old man yelling at them
Matt: so time travel is canon in this game that’s interesting
The game: is about you being stuck in a time loop
The other 2 minutes are the 2 minutes you have with your dad in the past, Matpat.
Mat going like "Let's go have some chocolate cake!" killed me on too many different levels...
MatPat did everything out of order, came to the wrong conclusions, and got mad every step of the way and it was mildly infuriating to watch
PLEASE make a theory about the complete timeline because it is both really confusing and interesting.
Matt: "I'm gonna go have some chocolate cake with my wife, who is definitely not my sister!"
Stephanie: "Wait, WHAT?"
Me: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Stephane: You definitely killed your wife and kid.
Matt: or my sister… and uh sister.
Getting to see Steph on this show again made my day, even if it was only for a few seconds. I hope she decides to come back at some point.
Ooh, hi, Steph. Nice shirt. This game is strange and I kind of like it.
Matt is one of the smartest youtubers I know, I cant believe it took him this long to figure the game out
“You definitely killed your wife and kid!”
Well he definitely SCREWED his wife and sister 🤣
"Definitely not my sister"
"WAIT WHAAAT?!"