I hope people will really start thinking of long term goals. I read a book from simon sinek on long term thinking and my mentality has totally changed towards short term gratitude. and being an ancestor pov was another thing that gave the starter to grind gears in my head.
I was thinking about this the other day and haven’t seen it talked about anywhere until I saw this. I realised a lot of industrial decisions have been made with the mindset of when it goes wrong, resources run out, waste piles up etc it’s for the ‘next’ generation to worry about. Its a big factor in why we’re in the situation we are now. No one was thinking or concerned about the build up of waste from, for example, when Coca-Cola switched from glass bottles to plastic bottles or Pampers created cheap single use nappies as an alternative to reusable cloth ones. It’s like no one thinks more than 20-50 years ahead because they don’t need to. 🤷🏻♀️
The financial system in the west dictates this.. this guy is on drugs thinking democracy is going to reign over the couple of thousand people that control everything in society.
To improve we need change. Change creates instability. Instability reduces trust in the individual that their needs will continue to be met by the system. Here the marshmallow brain thrives. The original marshmallow test was partly about willpower, but also very much about trusting that the adult would indeed come back, and that when they did the child would receive an extra marshmallow rather than losing the one in front of them.
It is a really good thinking that I believe most people are aware of, but don't do anything about. Majority of people just wake up, eat, work or study, be with friends and family, then BOM end of the day on nothing accomplished.
I can think of a bunch of reasons why that might be the case. To name a few: doing is difficult, change is difficult and/or frightening, trade-offs, etc... Also, some would argue there is something to gain from living in the present and experiencing the present moment.
I thought of myself as an idiot of sorts for thinking like this...if I could have found someone in my age range who thought the same maybe I could have thought of my self as less of an idiot but now that I see this video I have hope....Thank you Roman Krznaric.
If you really care about the future, about the future people, the best thing you can do is not to have them in the first place. By not making children you guarantee they will not suffer in any way. You can extend your kindness and love toward future generations by not bringing them into existence. You can spare them the gashing wounds of existence. Read more about Antinatalism.
@@Hashslingingslasher- No they won't. We're on a crash course for disaster with climate change and there's no one technology, nascent or advanced, which is magically going to reverse that trend. We already have the solutions, and most of them aren't fancy new technologies, but implementing them at a global scale requires systems geared towards long-term sustainability and circularity, which need to be built by people adopting long-term thinking.
Taking a planetocratic view of our future is one obvious sustainable path. If we put the interests of the planet first, humanity will be a co- beneficiary.
Doing the best for present is best for future! and to be a lovely ancestor ever!❤️❤️❤️❤️we are not only going to be human ancestors,we should be a good ancestor being!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@Hashslingingslasher- I think they should have done 3 different experiments at once, one of 5 minutes one for 10 minutes one for 15 minutes So it would be comparable to adult for long term planning for 10 years 20 years and 30 years.
@@Cat_in_Spacetime Yeah exactly. Obviously the correlation between minutes and years would be off by a margin but even a 5 y/o knows its not worth waiting 15 mins for a marshmallow
T’Robert, hope you are feeling less sad. Roman here is a philosopher , with little knowledge about the function of our emotions within our thought process. May I recommend for your consideration, the rational insights of Dr.Gabor Mate into the stress, trauma and depression of our emotions. He can help us understand how and why our emotions have developed over our lifetime. He teaches what he calls compassionate inquiry . I hope this helps you.With empathy,Pete.
We struggle to live in the present moment , yet love pleasures of the present moment. *Think long term by closing my eyes & imagining the outcomes of my present actions in coming yrs*
Yes one can tap into altruism but it's driven by love and joy, not duty. Delayed gratification only works if the reward is delayed, instead you should do something you find rewarding.
One could almost say it’s like going from water to wine... (Ego mind to a Spiritual mind)... Marshmallow mind to a Acorn mind just seems to work for me... Thank you
Yeah my exact thoughts.. we’re living through collapse now.. 260 years ago at the start of the industrial revolution they changed the debt system to outside the natural laws of the universe. Before then the mental disease split in the western psyche was not there.. now it’s spread throughout humanity. We’re going extinct because of the malignant narcissism it created.
Until we live in a world where people can simply change their diet to help the planet what chance do future generations have. None. Progress is to slow and hope is not enough anymore. People will defend their right to choose the marshmallow till the painfully bitter end.
Doubt this is the best argument to convince those skeptical about the value of sustainable living and respect for the environment. They can tell that, say, progress will enable humans to replace their flawed bodies with something much better much sooner than many believe. Therefore, it is not a given that future humans will require air to breath or water to drink. And if they will, this forward thinking person may rationalize that they will have technologies allowing for complete reversal of whatever harm we've caused. They can also say that population will not be growing indefinitely and, in fact, will start shrinking, as some projections show, as soon as 2050. What we should do, is convince people that it is them who will suffer the consequences, not their ancestors. Modern young people are likely to live for much longer than at any time before in the human history due to the inevitable breakthroughs in medicine and technology. Therefore, it is us who will suffer the effects of climate change. We should worry about it because of our own, personal interest. On the other hand, we should try and popularize the notion that sustainability and preservation of the environment is simply the right thing to do, while doing the opposite is just ethically wrong. Unfortunately, this is hard to do, especially in the light of the Western traditions that never really had a lot of respect for the environment.
You addressed everything you'd have to convince me of to give a shit about environmentalism. I don't even doubt climate change or that it is man-made, but I don't care for the reasons you've given and others.
@@fatpotatoe6039 So just to rephrase, you don't care, despite the fact that not caring is morally wrong and it is almost certainly bound to have a tangible negative impact on your own life.
@@uncutfishing I think the benefits of continued economic growth and market-based transition to alternatives based on their lower cost (such as solar) will outweigh the drawbacks to living standards from ongoing climate change. I don't care about going on a crusade to prevent the developing world from lifting billions out of poverty and into our opulent Western lifestyle.
@@fatpotatoe6039 I wasn't arguing against the economic growth, especially in the developing world. That would be insane, imho. Maybe there's been some sort of miscommunication, don't know. However, the level of sustainability of the growth is what we are talking about. Trade-offs are inevitable, but we must acknowledge them, instead of living in the state of denial. Even more specifically, I was skeptical of the argument presented in this particular video, when the speaker tried to change the listeners beliefs by appealing to his/her care for the future generations. I disagree. Think this problem will affect the quality of life of current generation of young-middle age adults, maybe even more so than that of the future generations.
@@uncutfishing I agree it will affect us. I don't see the need for "trade-offs" as you have put it. Just cut all subsidies to the energy industry and let low cost solar win in the competition of the market. The government doesn't have to nor ought to limit people's consumption or regulate this and that. That will make us poorer and less able to deal with the inevitable costs of climate change like bushfires. That is my opinion. I know you never explicitly said anything about economic growth in the developing world, but I just wanted to use it to get you to accept on principle that the benefits of continued "growth" outweigh the costs, which I believe is the case in the developed world as much as the developing.
You sound like a stupid person, full offence. Give specifics and one of the most glaring specifics is China's over-fishing and dumping of rubbish. I'ts incomparable
I would trade cities and medicine for natural pairing in relationships. We have chemical birth control now, we don't need to rely on archaic moral structures for population control anymore.
@@RichLuciano1 A kind of crab mentality you mentioned, or rather, more so a logical passive resistance to the upfront explanations in the video by Mr. Krznaric about timelines, contributions and futures predicted.
@@RichLuciano1 Tu quoque, among other informal fallacies you have already mentioned, let alone other language regarding the term prophecy, whereas prediction would be more suitable and accurate. As well as, your deductive reasoning regarding climate change is false, which philosophers would regard as a formal fallacy...?
Colonialism was important for the success we have today. It's a necessarily evil. Just like survival of the fittest means that a lot of animals and people had to die or suffer but resulted in the evolutionary progress that made everything possible. Colonialism facilitated the establishment of a lingua franca and large economies that propelled innovation (granted at the cost of stifling colonized countries). I would say it also lead to more stability throughout the world when power is concentrated on a smaller number of countries.
No. Colonies were a net drain on the British Empire. The value of upkeep exceeded the value of new trade, and the empire violated the rights of many who would've eventually adopted modern technologies anyway and wouldn't have any impetus to adopt leftist / Marxist anti-Western ideologies that have continually impeded the creation of Western style institutions that work, all because demagogues can blame other countries rather than themselves for their relative poverty.
Ahhh yes. The self righteous: “‘Kindly let me help you or you’ll drown,’ says the monkey to the fish as he takes him out of the water and places him in a tree.” Dream on...
The problem is, as I see it (and there are always problems), how are we supposed to solve the classic game-theory case of the prisoners dilemma? We live in a state of information overload where our confirmation biases run amok. It seems that the solutions that have evolved on a governmental level is autoritarianism in the way that Chinas economy has risen out of the current climate. I am not sure the western model of individualism will hold much longer because we are constantly inundated in attentional deficits. Language itself is full to the brim of possible interpretations in our ever growing technological connections. But we have to believe in something. Belief, then, or social imagination, may be the single most pressing issue today.
This reminds me of those campaigns from oil and plastic companies "do your part to save the earth"...The problem of a bleak future will not be solved by individuals because the bleak future is created systematically. The bright future will be a bi-product of a system which cares for its citizens' well being first, while putting the growth and prosperity of the system second. A restructure of the system is required. The choice of leadership via a popularity contest has to go.
I hope people will really start thinking of long term goals. I read a book from simon sinek on long term thinking and my mentality has totally changed towards short term gratitude. and being an ancestor pov was another thing that gave the starter to grind gears in my head.
@Bikash Rai It was the infinite game or leader eats last
Even if a single person has changed his mind after watching this video. This video has served its purpose.
What's the purpose? Did he just pretty much say remember not to go for short term rewards and go for smart long term goals?
@@rsALEX Purpose to save the planet?
A single person can't do that much. Especially a mere ordinary person. If it a highly influancial person ya he can do something
Also fulfill his purpose if someone who deviated from his path due to pessimism, get optimistic again. e.g. Me
I thought its purpose was to make revenue for the creators.
I was thinking about this the other day and haven’t seen it talked about anywhere until I saw this.
I realised a lot of industrial decisions have been made with the mindset of when it goes wrong, resources run out, waste piles up etc it’s for the ‘next’ generation to worry about.
Its a big factor in why we’re in the situation we are now. No one was thinking or concerned about the build up of waste from, for example, when Coca-Cola switched from glass bottles to plastic bottles or Pampers created cheap single use nappies as an alternative to reusable cloth ones.
It’s like no one thinks more than 20-50 years ahead because they don’t need to.
🤷🏻♀️
@@LifeBehindHandlebars absolutely, they’re like the scientist no one listens to in any sci-fi disaster movie
@x Of course I have, I'm referring to the context of this video.
The financial system in the west dictates this.. this guy is on drugs thinking democracy is going to reign over the couple of thousand people that control everything in society.
Free markets, STONKS, unlimited growth, hyper-capitalisim
What's gonna happen?
To improve we need change.
Change creates instability.
Instability reduces trust in the individual that their needs will continue to be met by the system.
Here the marshmallow brain thrives.
The original marshmallow test was partly about willpower, but also very much about trusting that the adult would indeed come back, and that when they did the child would receive an extra marshmallow rather than losing the one in front of them.
It is a really good thinking that I believe most people are aware of, but don't do anything about. Majority of people just wake up, eat, work or study, be with friends and family, then BOM end of the day on nothing accomplished.
@@X9523-z3v Thinking without doing is meaningless!
I can think of a bunch of reasons why that might be the case. To name a few: doing is difficult, change is difficult and/or frightening, trade-offs, etc... Also, some would argue there is something to gain from living in the present and experiencing the present moment.
You and channel "however" it's just a mind blowing
nice clip. I was naïve enough to expect finding ways to retrain my brain for longer term thinking...
Love this
I thought of myself as an idiot of sorts for thinking like this...if I could have found someone in my age range who thought the same maybe I could have thought of my self as less of an idiot but now that I see this video I have hope....Thank you Roman Krznaric.
Wow, this is one of the most profound videos I have ever seen!
You guys are making me smarter each day. Thanks for making these videos
Yes! Learn, educate, organize! NOW, please❤️
What kind of things are long term?
Love this! Thank you Roman! Helping me put my career in focus!
One of the greatest dangers is not other people or natural disasters but lazy thinking.
Agreed!
Can't be a bad ancestor if don't leave decedents.
Ha... yeah not looking like I will get close to having a family since we’re living in collapse right now.
woah!! that hurts..... 😅😂
I don't think the ancestry he's talking about is blood related only.
I think it's more on a human level.
Biologically in theory we are all related!!
Same fam
This is absolutely true
If you really care about the future, about the future people, the best thing you can do is not to have them in the first place. By not making children you guarantee they will not suffer in any way. You can extend your kindness and love toward future generations by not bringing them into existence. You can spare them the gashing wounds of existence. Read more about Antinatalism.
Why can't people see this, I wonder?
So, why not strangle all of humanity into extinction? Life has no place for humans.
That's brilliantly st*pid
OMG!! That was too deep Message 💥
Great thought...we must act thinking it....
Thanks!
I wish for this kind of future, but I'm not sure it is achievable or not.
You can win if you want.
Spoiler: It's not. But technology advancements will bail the future generations out and all of this thinking and worrying will have been for naut.
@@Hashslingingslasher- No they won't. We're on a crash course for disaster with climate change and there's no one technology, nascent or advanced, which is magically going to reverse that trend. We already have the solutions, and most of them aren't fancy new technologies, but implementing them at a global scale requires systems geared towards long-term sustainability and circularity, which need to be built by people adopting long-term thinking.
@@Hashslingingslasher- That kind of thinking is one of the reasons we are headed towards disaster. "Put one foot in front of the other".
Taking a planetocratic view of our future is one obvious sustainable path. If we put the interests of the planet first, humanity will be a co- beneficiary.
My advice is to take what is offered to you now. Why wait for a future that is not promised for more than you want. Or need.
A Good Quote, Don't compare yourself with anyone in this world, if you do so, you are insulting yourself.
How does one learn to react in social situations?
Doing the best for present is best for future! and to be a lovely ancestor ever!❤️❤️❤️❤️we are not only going to be human ancestors,we should be a good ancestor being!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Understand you/we live in an Economy, you are judged by your monetary wealth. Alas most of us think we live in a Society.
Read Mises. There is no distinction my lad.
The marshmallow test is trash.
1. Marshmallows Suck.
2. Who's dumb enough to sit still and stare at a table for 15 minutes for a singular marshmallow?
It was in 1960's I guess
No internet or other instant gratifying things
Sure sodas candies and marshmallows for children ages with 3 - 5
@@Cat_in_Spacetime I think if they said wait 5 minutes and they get a second marshmallow would be a better test
@@Hashslingingslasher- I think they should have done 3 different experiments at once, one of 5 minutes one for 10 minutes one for 15 minutes
So it would be comparable to adult for long term planning for 10 years 20 years and 30 years.
@@Cat_in_Spacetime Yeah exactly. Obviously the correlation between minutes and years would be off by a margin but even a 5 y/o knows its not worth waiting 15 mins for a marshmallow
there are zero children in my life and there have always been zero children in my life. That meditation made me very very sad
T’Robert, hope you are feeling less sad. Roman here is a philosopher , with little knowledge about the function of our emotions within our thought process. May I recommend for your consideration, the rational insights of Dr.Gabor Mate into the stress, trauma and depression of our emotions. He can help us understand how and why our emotions have developed over our lifetime. He teaches what he calls compassionate inquiry . I hope this helps you.With empathy,Pete.
We struggle to live in the present moment , yet love pleasures of the present moment. *Think long term by closing my eyes & imagining the outcomes of my present actions in coming yrs*
Seems impossible to get there from where we are.
Yes one can tap into altruism but it's driven by love and joy, not duty. Delayed gratification only works if the reward is delayed, instead you should do something you find rewarding.
One could almost say it’s like going from water to wine... (Ego mind to a Spiritual mind)... Marshmallow mind to a Acorn mind just seems to work for me... Thank you
on the long run we are all dead.
of course, tis the way of flesh my friend. Death brings you closer to life
@x well put
@x Yeah, but you’re still dead.
3:23 Do NOT shut your eyes if you’re driving.
:v
@x 🤣
watching RUclips while driving? You need more than BigThink videos...
How to retrain?
❤❤❤❤wow!! Mind blowing
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I wish the day when we all decide to make this happen comes soon
Only overall good education can helpp
Can we get rid of Tiktok, then?
In India tiktok is banned.
@@user-cv1jb9xv2p - I heard about that. We are moving in the right direction 😉
Let's build a community of long term thinkers, the delayed gratification choosers, the mental models users.
What about when long term thinking becomes so dominant you lose all joy of memories and life? This happens a lot and is not adequately addressed
Really blurry the line between hyperbole in either direction
7 trillion next 50k yrs? Optimistic if humanity survives another 100 yrs
Yeah my exact thoughts.. we’re living through collapse now.. 260 years ago at the start of the industrial revolution they changed the debt system to outside the natural laws of the universe. Before then the mental disease split in the western psyche was not there.. now it’s spread throughout humanity. We’re going extinct because of the malignant narcissism it created.
Add me for any movement related to this, maybe overthrowing big coorporations?
Channel dedicated to drawing..
"Drawing is my passion, not a gift"
We could use more public philosophers and with a department located in all world governmental office's, but urgently within the USA.
Until we live in a world where people can simply change their diet to help the planet what chance do future generations have. None.
Progress is to slow and hope is not enough anymore. People will defend their right to choose the marshmallow till the painfully bitter end.
👍👍👍. 👏👏👏 Thank you. 🙏
beautiful, but where is the mention of shifting towards a plant based diet? it's a HUGE contributor :(
Doubt this is the best argument to convince those skeptical about the value of sustainable living and respect for the environment. They can tell that, say, progress will enable humans to replace their flawed bodies with something much better much sooner than many believe. Therefore, it is not a given that future humans will require air to breath or water to drink. And if they will, this forward thinking person may rationalize that they will have technologies allowing for complete reversal of whatever harm we've caused. They can also say that population will not be growing indefinitely and, in fact, will start shrinking, as some projections show, as soon as 2050. What we should do, is convince people that it is them who will suffer the consequences, not their ancestors. Modern young people are likely to live for much longer than at any time before in the human history due to the inevitable breakthroughs in medicine and technology. Therefore, it is us who will suffer the effects of climate change. We should worry about it because of our own, personal interest.
On the other hand, we should try and popularize the notion that sustainability and preservation of the environment is simply the right thing to do, while doing the opposite is just ethically wrong. Unfortunately, this is hard to do, especially in the light of the Western traditions that never really had a lot of respect for the environment.
You addressed everything you'd have to convince me of to give a shit about environmentalism. I don't even doubt climate change or that it is man-made, but I don't care for the reasons you've given and others.
@@fatpotatoe6039 So just to rephrase, you don't care, despite the fact that not caring is morally wrong and it is almost certainly bound to have a tangible negative impact on your own life.
@@uncutfishing I think the benefits of continued economic growth and market-based transition to alternatives based on their lower cost (such as solar) will outweigh the drawbacks to living standards from ongoing climate change. I don't care about going on a crusade to prevent the developing world from lifting billions out of poverty and into our opulent Western lifestyle.
@@fatpotatoe6039 I wasn't arguing against the economic growth, especially in the developing world. That would be insane, imho. Maybe there's been some sort of miscommunication, don't know.
However, the level of sustainability of the growth is what we are talking about. Trade-offs are inevitable, but we must acknowledge them, instead of living in the state of denial. Even more specifically, I was skeptical of the argument presented in this particular video, when the speaker tried to change the listeners beliefs by appealing to his/her care for the future generations. I disagree. Think this problem will affect the quality of life of current generation of young-middle age adults, maybe even more so than that of the future generations.
@@uncutfishing I agree it will affect us. I don't see the need for "trade-offs" as you have put it. Just cut all subsidies to the energy industry and let low cost solar win in the competition of the market. The government doesn't have to nor ought to limit people's consumption or regulate this and that. That will make us poorer and less able to deal with the inevitable costs of climate change like bushfires. That is my opinion. I know you never explicitly said anything about economic growth in the developing world, but I just wanted to use it to get you to accept on principle that the benefits of continued "growth" outweigh the costs, which I believe is the case in the developed world as much as the developing.
Tell us something we don't know.
Use your brain boys.
3:30
imagine a child in your life
me who is a child :/
Captain obvious has nothing to say.
I watched this video in 1.5x speed, am i packing in more knowledge or losing retention by doing so? Am i marshallow brain or not? Woah lol
I guess you can be a multiflavor marshmallow
too late this rides over. Time to come to terms with the fact we as a parasite have infested our host so badly that we are about to lose it all.
You sound like a stupid person, full offence. Give specifics and one of the most glaring specifics is China's over-fishing and dumping of rubbish. I'ts incomparable
@@Hashslingingslasher- ?
@@BD-lq4id Confirmed
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I would trade cities and medicine for natural pairing in relationships. We have chemical birth control now, we don't need to rely on archaic moral structures for population control anymore.
This is what Kant meant by “the public use of reason”
Tell me more I love Kant
It's solely about thinking green? C'mon, man! He probably has a beach house to stay at when he isn't flying.
What if he does? No planet, no future, right?
@@MrOtis909 no false prophets of climate change and then people will do what is needed. Do you disagree?
@@RichLuciano1 A kind of crab mentality you mentioned, or rather, more so a logical passive resistance to the upfront explanations in the video by Mr. Krznaric about timelines, contributions and futures predicted.
@@1p6t1gms how did you come to that dichotomous conclusion?
@@RichLuciano1 Tu quoque, among other informal fallacies you have already mentioned, let alone other language regarding the term prophecy, whereas prediction would be more suitable and accurate. As well as, your deductive reasoning regarding climate change is false, which philosophers would regard as a formal fallacy...?
Colonialism was important for the success we have today.
It's a necessarily evil. Just like survival of the fittest means that a lot of animals and people had to die or suffer but resulted in the evolutionary progress that made everything possible. Colonialism facilitated the establishment of a lingua franca and large economies that propelled innovation (granted at the cost of stifling colonized countries). I would say it also lead to more stability throughout the world when power is concentrated on a smaller number of countries.
No. Colonies were a net drain on the British Empire. The value of upkeep exceeded the value of new trade, and the empire violated the rights of many who would've eventually adopted modern technologies anyway and wouldn't have any impetus to adopt leftist / Marxist anti-Western ideologies that have continually impeded the creation of Western style institutions that work, all because demagogues can blame other countries rather than themselves for their relative poverty.
The answer to this is simple, the kindest thing to do is not have kids.
The best thing is to stop doing children to stop this suffering one and for all
Evolution says no
Ahhh yes. The self righteous: “‘Kindly let me help you or you’ll drown,’ says the monkey to the fish as he takes him out of the water and places him in a tree.” Dream on...
The problem is, as I see it (and there are always problems), how are we supposed to solve the classic game-theory case of the prisoners dilemma? We live in a state of information overload where our confirmation biases run amok. It seems that the solutions that have evolved on a governmental level is autoritarianism in the way that Chinas economy has risen out of the current climate. I am not sure the western model of individualism will hold much longer because we are constantly inundated in attentional deficits. Language itself is full to the brim of possible interpretations in our ever growing technological connections. But we have to believe in something. Belief, then, or social imagination, may be the single most pressing issue today.
I agree, but that was a unique way of presenting the problem. The postmodern problem...
I disliked him saying "the tyranny of the present moment."
✌😁👍
No way communism is neglected from the negative inheritances....
Wait
People NEED Earth?
That's news to me
Jargon
Acorn supports inflation. Marshmallow gets the value of the thing in the moment. Sometimes it's good to have marshmallows instead of acorns.
kansloos
This is horrible advice. Trying to use the brain to create the future never worked and never will.
„Change“ - Obama
Wanna try?
BUNK
Clickbait just a be nice speech
He pretty much said nothing. Thanks I guess?
Human genetic code dominantly says: F the rest man, I want it all n now!
This reminds me of those campaigns from oil and plastic companies "do your part to save the earth"...The problem of a bleak future will not be solved by individuals because the bleak future is created systematically. The bright future will be a bi-product of a system which cares for its citizens' well being first, while putting the growth and prosperity of the system second. A restructure of the system is required. The choice of leadership via a popularity contest has to go.
Beijing Biden Harris is here! We're saved! Because they promised!
Just remember... you asked for this.
The typical U.S.A.
You forget to mention how the right wing is doing all around the world
BLM? ja
Gross
First
I like marshmallows