This is what Harley does with every motor generation. The original smaller displacement stays around for a few years, then gets axed. Then the larger displacement engine becomes the standard engine, and the big CVO engine becomes the bigger option. Then they add a new CVO engine that's bigger yet. Maybe not this year, but I suspect we will see Harley have a 121 or 124ci in the CVO bikes.
What about the self-balancing 2020 module? The Harley-Davidson gyroscope, is not only useful for older motorcyclists but also to forget any hesitation due to weight, both when stationary and at very very low speeds, since the first purchase whatever the age. Harley-Davidson is going to open the market wide, in three wide-open ways. 1. To expand the use of customization parts catalog by building a wider and higher customer age pyramid than ever before, 2. To ensure a stronger first Harley-Davidson motorcycle purchase for any new weight-reassured customer. 3. To extend prospecting inside other bikers of all brands via this independent module. Stop tipping when stationary or crashing at very very low speed from all heavy motorcycles in the world. Harley-Davidson thought about it in 2020, leveraging its full universal rollout now for the 120th anniversary in 2023.
Imagine a 370 Pan America as an entry bike. Uni students, younger gen and ladies wanting to get into riding that don't want a big heavy bike may well be attracted. Harley folks that may want a second bike to do some off-roading/fire trail riding may well get one also. But it needs to be reasonably priced.
Do you think there will be any changes to the 2023 Pan Am 1250? I am wanting to buy one right now but wondering if I should hold off for 2023 models or just go ahead and buy a 2022.
@@hotel-delta Awesome thank you for the reply, is it software updates that 2022 owners will be able to get later? If that's all it is I'm thinking there is no reason for me to wait.
Sure their special series bikes can have cool colors, but they make an already expensive bike even more so. The regular colors suck and are a barrier to my buying one. Boring black, primer gray. Really?
Hopefully this is Satire. HD sets the pace of colors on cruisers. Black on black Street Glide and Road Glide Specials are probably the top 2 selling bikes...
Seems like Harley isn’t or doesn’t categorize their models asking the customers specifically what size engine they want. You should be able to order a specific model with a specified engine.
Finally!!! someone telling the truth about the Pan America's, Soooo many electronic issues. My 22' PanAm special only has 4k on it and has thrown so many codes, the adaptive ride height crashed, all modes went away and motor started knocking. After two months at Harley Dealership they say they are clearing codes , riding and chasing down codes so that they can get two sheets of problems before Milwaukee HD will help them fix it, what a joke. But I agree, the 3500 miles I got to ride mine before it crap out, it is one of my favorites. Just curious, if they can't figure PanAm out , how are these others gonna fair?
It seems that most issues come from one of two places. The connectors and the software. I finally got a solid code and we replaced the crank position sensor. While doing that my main Pan Am Tech went through all the connections and we also re-did the pins on my ARH. It's been bullets since then.
@@hotel-delta man I hope I get the same results. Lot of people are giving up and giving back, but I'm gonna tough it out while longer. Maybe they can get all that fixed and get it cranking right.
No, they don't need a smaller Revmax engine they need to lower the price on the current one. The MOCO has been taking things away and adding to the price since the shoe guy came aboard. Most customers are getting tired of get less for more
@@hotel-delta I get that but 15k for a starter bike? Honda has a 1100 with the same power and more standard equipment for thousands less. I have ridden the 975 and actually liked it but my funds will go to Honda on another bike
This is what Harley does with every motor generation. The original smaller displacement stays around for a few years, then gets axed. Then the larger displacement engine becomes the standard engine, and the big CVO engine becomes the bigger option. Then they add a new CVO engine that's bigger yet.
Maybe not this year, but I suspect we will see Harley have a 121 or 124ci in the CVO bikes.
What about the self-balancing 2020 module?
The Harley-Davidson gyroscope, is not only useful for older motorcyclists but also to forget any hesitation due to weight, both when stationary and at very very low speeds, since the first purchase whatever the age.
Harley-Davidson is going to open the market wide, in three wide-open ways.
1. To expand the use of customization parts catalog by building a wider and higher customer age pyramid than ever before,
2. To ensure a stronger first Harley-Davidson motorcycle purchase for any new weight-reassured customer.
3. To extend prospecting inside other bikers of all brands via this independent module.
Stop tipping when stationary or crashing at very very low speed from all heavy motorcycles in the world. Harley-Davidson thought about it in 2020, leveraging its full universal rollout now for the 120th anniversary in 2023.
Imagine a 370 Pan America as an entry bike. Uni students, younger gen and ladies wanting to get into riding that don't want a big heavy bike may well be attracted. Harley folks that may want a second bike to do some off-roading/fire trail riding may well get one also. But it needs to be reasonably priced.
Wouldn't be surprised to see something smaller, doesn't sound like harley is targeting that market
That would be cool. I’m on a Versys-X 300. Hoping to get my Harley soon.
They must up the cvo because of the st's
The less expensive entry level model is called a Kawasaki Vulcan
Thoughts on a 2023 Road King 117ci ???
Maybe an ST version. Not sure how much demand there would be.
Do you think there will be any changes to the 2023 Pan Am 1250? I am wanting to buy one right now but wondering if I should hold off for 2023 models or just go ahead and buy a 2022.
Nothing major, color and software updates
@@hotel-delta Awesome thank you for the reply, is it software updates that 2022 owners will be able to get later? If that's all it is I'm thinking there is no reason for me to wait.
Sure their special series bikes can have cool colors, but they make an already expensive bike even more so. The regular colors suck and are a barrier to my buying one. Boring black, primer gray. Really?
Hopefully this is Satire. HD sets the pace of colors on cruisers. Black on black Street Glide and Road Glide Specials are probably the top 2 selling bikes...
I want an updated street glide fairing, it's looks basically the same as the day it came out.
Yet still looks good. Same frame since 09, same bodywork since 2014, it's gotta be coming
@@hotel-delta well, the last frame lasted 28 years and the original batwing was basically unchanged from 1968 - 2014...
Ya, that's not necessarily a good thing.
@@hotel-delta well, the FLHX is still, by far, the #1 selling bike in the US.
Is every year an anniversary year for Harley?
They make a pretty decent anniversary model every 5 years
Seems like Harley isn’t or doesn’t categorize their models asking the customers specifically what size engine they want. You should be able to order a specific model with a specified engine.
If they asked, everyone would want the biggest motor possible, and everyone would want to customize an order. You would be waiting years like Tesla
Finally!!! someone telling the truth about the Pan America's, Soooo many electronic issues. My 22' PanAm special only has 4k on it and has thrown so many codes, the adaptive ride height crashed, all modes went away and motor started knocking. After two months at Harley Dealership they say they are clearing codes , riding and chasing down codes so that they can get two sheets of problems before Milwaukee HD will help them fix it, what a joke. But I agree, the 3500 miles I got to ride mine before it crap out, it is one of my favorites. Just curious, if they can't figure PanAm out , how are these others gonna fair?
It seems that most issues come from one of two places. The connectors and the software. I finally got a solid code and we replaced the crank position sensor. While doing that my main Pan Am Tech went through all the connections and we also re-did the pins on my ARH. It's been bullets since then.
@@hotel-delta man I hope I get the same results. Lot of people are giving up and giving back, but I'm gonna tough it out while longer. Maybe they can get all that fixed and get it cranking right.
Definitely some bugs to work out, hoping for the best for you, good luck.
No, they don't need a smaller Revmax engine they need to lower the price on the current one. The MOCO has been taking things away and adding to the price since the shoe guy came aboard. Most customers are getting tired of get less for more
There isn't a big profit margin on those bikes, everything has become more expensive
@@hotel-delta I get that but 15k for a starter bike? Honda has a 1100 with the same power and more standard equipment for thousands less. I have ridden the 975 and actually liked it but my funds will go to Honda on another bike
Quaid HD told me (I was gonna make a deposit for a 23 when the time came) that the FXLRST is going away for 2023. Sounds like BS to me.
I would call total BS