Prof. Goldman seemed like he wasn't worried so much about the security of the institution of social science as he was worried about the security of his job. McLuhan was, as always, sincere, aware, credible and clear. One enlightened analyst ahead of his time!
I personally don't think he was being intellectually dishonest. I think he was probing McLuhan simply because he was interested in what McLuhan had to say. He's trying to understand, and that's just about what everyone was trying to do when speaking to McLuhan. He does mention at the 15:36 mark that he's "just playing the devil's advocate."
I remember shortly after some neighbors gave me an antique Zenith Transoceanic shortwave radio, I wasn't more than 11 or 12 years of age then in 1966, as I began tuning in across the world of amazing broadcasts. So many in foreign languages I couldn't understand, but I came across some astute British speaking gentleman talking about what was wrong with the Americans, and they're hippie generation. I later learned that it was the BBC. I was so fascinated with their better journalism than our watered-down infotainment style of our American television journalism. I stopped watching television, after discovering these great radio shows, such as this one, I also discovered from The Voice of America. I vaguely remember hearing this actual broadcast at about eleven years of age. It influenced me to never go back to watching the banal and useless American programming, on our televisions.
@@BabeTheAstrologer The medium is the message? Medium(s) - 'books' 'television' 'videos games' 'internet' 'social networks' 'music' 'people'. Message - what is the message? The medium is the message. [That's the best I can do with language] --- looking at the word medium, we must break it to begin understanding. Define Medium: "The intervening substance through which impressions are conveyed to the senses or a force acts on objects at a distance." "radio communication needs no physical medium between the two stations" Mediums talks with spirit, or spirit speaks through mediums. Why spirit? Because I don't have the correct language.
The world today is a 'specialist' world. Knowing the most about a narrow subject brings wealth. But McLuhan was a 'generalist' his intellectual appetite was always awake. His kind of men are the bane of academia. For starter, they generally know as much as the 'specialist' about his field of expertise. But the generalist knows cumulatively more than the specialist on balance. McLuhan was destroyed by a mob of academics who try to exert their will to power on their students, other professors and the general public who usually are more courageous. Lesson, even great men can be brought down by Lilliputians in a mob. US citizens vote the progressive mob politicians out. If you don't they'll destroy you. They are small and weak and that's the reason why they must destroy YOU. It's them or us. ~
James Poulos has used McLuhan's ideas as the best way to understand what digital's usurpation of the televisual has done/is doing to humanity. That is to destroy the concept of the self in favor of the digital swarm.
Almost everyone who interviews McLuhan has no idea what he is speaking of as illustrated by the lines of questioning. Of course he is aware of this and dances through the interview with a sense of humor and by coming at things from varying angles and anecdotal references to help keep things moving along.
"...the TV viewer is the Lord of the Flies, a pig surrounded by the image, it's tactile, not visual, like the movie goer". Why did Mcluen characterize the viewer as a dead pig that feral children pray to?
He also used the Finnigan's Wake quote "TV viewers are as the charge of the light brigade". I think he means that TV viewers do not think for themselves, rather taking everything media has to offer on TV as "gospel" and not using their own wits preferring the "lazy way" never questioning what they are being fed after all there are no disclaimers of truth in media they abide by. The moviegoer on the other hand is ready to be entertained already of the mindset to put reality on pause and to ponder the experience and its meaning after watching, people are generally better behaved when in a public cinema as well.
My feeling is that the internet is pushing us more and more toward the "tribal" though this view point may be made in present time because of the rise of populism in politics. The internet breaks homogeneity, it allows people who are largely raised as visual to categorize each other and 'otherize' in ways that were previously unthought of. So while our friends lists grow the groupings by which we understand them also expand. The internet itself is giving rise to fascistic ideas. I agree, it is pushing inwardness and dismantling linearity. It is also giving rise to anxiety both socially and intellectually.
The effect of film and tv is the viewer becomes a vanishing point, with internet, there is a supposed self cultivated medium of content being served to you at the temperature of a room. Look for patterns.
More so. You can't talk to a person without his smartphone stuck in front of their eyes. They (Musk, Blackstone,etc.) want to inject chips in our brains (also using sunglasses now) in order to CONTROL us. Hitler would be gleeful. Transhumanism is the goal (Huxley's SOMO comes to mind), that's why I am a proud LUDDITE.
I've been decrypting McLuhan's message and I found a small key in this interview: 19:45 - "People don't study the media". General social media observations made in October, 2018: Snapchat - GenX Instagram - Millennials TikTok - GenZ This information is already incorrect, but the message shines through; faster than light-speed.
I listened to this at least 30x, already. And will likely listen another 30x by the end of 2023, alone. Whew! So, glad I found McLuhan.
Prof. Goldman seemed like he wasn't worried so much about the security of the institution of social science as he was worried about the security of his job. McLuhan was, as always, sincere, aware, credible and clear. One enlightened analyst ahead of his time!
I personally don't think he was being intellectually dishonest. I think he was probing McLuhan simply because he was interested in what McLuhan had to say. He's trying to understand, and that's just about what everyone was trying to do when speaking to McLuhan. He does mention at the 15:36 mark that he's "just playing the devil's advocate."
10:23
Interviewer: "But how far can we push this?"
McLuhan: "Push it all the way"
McLuhan thinks three seconds ahead of himself.
Many thanks.
Great stuff
I remember shortly after some neighbors gave me an antique Zenith Transoceanic shortwave radio, I wasn't more than 11 or 12 years of age then in 1966, as I began tuning in across the world of amazing broadcasts. So many in foreign languages I couldn't understand, but I came across some astute British speaking gentleman talking about what was wrong with the Americans, and they're hippie generation. I later learned that it was the BBC. I was so fascinated with their better journalism than our watered-down infotainment style of our American television journalism. I stopped watching television, after discovering these great radio shows, such as this one, I also discovered from The Voice of America.
I vaguely remember hearing this actual broadcast at about eleven years of age.
It influenced me to never go back to watching the banal and useless American programming, on our televisions.
I had one of those, at the same time, my dad would take it camping with us, it had a flip down compartment for the log.
I watched television for the girls. you can not be sexually aroused listening to sociology programs
This is a clear message; feels good.
What does that mean?
@@BabeTheAstrologer The medium is the message?
Medium(s) - 'books' 'television' 'videos games' 'internet' 'social networks' 'music' 'people'.
Message - what is the message?
The medium is the message.
[That's the best I can do with language]
--- looking at the word medium, we must break it to begin understanding.
Define Medium: "The intervening substance through which impressions are conveyed to the senses or a force acts on objects at a distance."
"radio communication needs no physical medium between the two stations"
Mediums talks with spirit, or spirit speaks through mediums.
Why spirit? Because I don't have the correct language.
That was many things, but the word “clear” didn’t come to mind…😂
The world today is a 'specialist' world. Knowing the most about a narrow subject
brings wealth. But McLuhan was a 'generalist' his intellectual appetite was always
awake. His kind of men are the bane of academia. For starter, they generally
know as much as the 'specialist' about his field of expertise. But the generalist
knows cumulatively more than the specialist on balance.
McLuhan was destroyed by a mob of academics who try to exert their will to
power on their students, other professors and the general public who usually
are more courageous. Lesson, even great men can be brought down by Lilliputians
in a mob. US citizens vote the progressive mob politicians out. If you don't
they'll destroy you. They are small and weak and that's the reason why they must
destroy YOU. It's them or us. ~
🤗
James Poulos has used McLuhan's ideas as the best way to understand what digital's usurpation of the televisual has done/is doing to humanity. That is to destroy the concept of the self in favor of the digital swarm.
Why did it cut off before the end? Where's the test of it? I must know.
isn't there more? it was just getting good then abruptly ended
Almost everyone who interviews McLuhan has no idea what he is speaking of as illustrated by the lines of questioning. Of course he is aware of this and dances through the interview with a sense of humor and by coming at things from varying angles and anecdotal references to help keep things moving along.
"...the TV viewer is the Lord of the Flies, a pig surrounded by the image, it's tactile, not visual, like the movie goer".
Why did Mcluen characterize the viewer as a dead pig that feral children pray to?
He also used the Finnigan's Wake quote "TV viewers are as the charge of the light brigade".
I think he means that TV viewers do not think for themselves, rather taking everything media has to offer on TV as "gospel" and not using their own wits preferring the "lazy way" never questioning what they are being fed after all there are no disclaimers of truth in media they abide by.
The moviegoer on the other hand is ready to be entertained already of the mindset to put reality on pause and to ponder the experience and its meaning after watching, people are generally better behaved when in a public cinema as well.
Is the internet like TV? It seems so much better. Pushing complete inwardness.
My feeling is that the internet is pushing us more and more toward the "tribal" though this view point may be made in present time because of the rise of populism in politics. The internet breaks homogeneity, it allows people who are largely raised as visual to categorize each other and 'otherize' in ways that were previously unthought of. So while our friends lists grow the groupings by which we understand them also expand. The internet itself is giving rise to fascistic ideas. I agree, it is pushing inwardness and dismantling linearity. It is also giving rise to anxiety both socially and intellectually.
The effect of film and tv is the viewer becomes a vanishing point, with internet, there is a supposed self cultivated medium of content being served to you at the temperature of a room. Look for patterns.
More so. You can't talk to a person without his smartphone stuck in front of their eyes. They (Musk, Blackstone,etc.) want to inject chips in our brains (also using sunglasses now) in order to CONTROL us. Hitler would be gleeful. Transhumanism is the goal (Huxley's SOMO comes to mind), that's why I am a proud LUDDITE.
I've been decrypting McLuhan's message and I found a small key in this interview: 19:45 - "People don't study the media".
General social media observations made in October, 2018:
Snapchat - GenX
Instagram - Millennials
TikTok - GenZ
This information is already incorrect, but the message shines through; faster than light-speed.
The title is so ironic. Mcluhan repeatedly argued that 'point of view' or certain perspectives don't exist in the electronic ages.
Doublethink
14:41 social criminals
Dumbing down.