I woke up this morning reading that blue, had to double check it was real. Thanks for pushing this! It feels like the right thing to do. We're pushed into this niche corner where we need to jump through the strangest hoops to get mediocre damage output. We can now at least cross flower weaving of our to-do list and hope this will make bear weaving trivial enough so we can focus on our already complex enough fight mechanic as it is. Cheers!
THis is a good change, I see a few things that will change imo:- 1- We will be using Ferocious Bite more, and so our spec will change to put 5/5 into Feral Aggression. 2- Our Aoe will be massive with this new change 3- Kinda worried that our rotation on bosses with adds now will change to just putting dots on boss and replacing shred with swipe spam
I could see swipe becoming huge especially as with current phase (Yogg adds for example) we are constantly needed for AOE... If I want parses I want to swipe
I take back all I said griftin, I'm actually rly excited about the class again, ty for all your hard work man I feel like youve had a massive impact in making this possible
Hey Griftin and feral friends, Can you help me understand what they've changed with bear weaving? Is the OoC procs being so consistent what changes the need to bear weave? I'm excited to hop on and try this out! Thanks for being a voice for positive changes friend!!
I'll try to do a quick summary but I'm using voice to chat so you'll have to kind of guess what I'm talking about because they never get world of Warcraft words right. The whole point of bear weaving was to give you something to do while you were low on energy. You can shift into bare form and do whatever abilities you wanted to do and come back into cat with a full or close to full energy bar. With this change you no longer have nothing to do because in between your regular abilities you'll be using feral fairy fire to keep your energy up essentially. Because you now have so many clear casting cracks you just don't need to shift. It may come out that bear weaving is still superior but we don't have enough data to determine that yet
Dude my DPS is already up because of this. So cool! It procs every time I use it. I just added to to a macro with feral charge macro and I have a proc as soon as a charge. Might be a good opener?
@@johndoe-qo8cy lol you are respectfully wrong good sir. Many ferals have eaten up pushing the boundaries of complexity and pushing limits of skill, play feral for that reason, and in the feral discord you can see some people down/worried about the change. Just sucked our dps wasnt strongly rewarded enough for it (until hopefully now). Sorry you weren't able to get the hang of it, getting there was a blast for me. I'm excited for the dmg buff but im hoping the change still feels as fun for me/doesn't feel too easy. Managing to keep up lacerate for an entire fight and refreshing it just barely in time at times was such a dopamine rush, and I always felt so engaged
@@bumbo_stiltskin I dont like the idea of bearweaving, so I never even tried to attempt it. It was not meant to be played that way, still got into the 90s on my parses so wasnt too fussed about it.
i wander if this is gonna be 5% dps increase as said on blue post. feels like its gonna be more than that cuz we gettin a guaranteed free shred every 6 seconds, not even to mention dps increase on aoe.
Woah. I heard about this on private servers and thought it was a pipedream they cooked up because druids whined a lot. And now it's coming to Wrath. I won't lie - this stupid bear weaving thing is part of why I stopped playing Wrath and now I'm thinking of coming back.
Turtle wow has improved feral druid's so much better than this fix - tigre's fury buffed to increase attack speed by 20% for 12 seconds while also increasing the duration for 12 seconds also. It's so much fun to play, the buff doesn't stop if you stop to heal and the attack speed buff applies for bear enrage. Talents got tweaked and it's so much more intuitive and better across all classes. Turtle wow has done so much of a better job than official classic servers and it's free and it's fresh content and there're constant raids and new instances and zones and quests, and it has more players... why anyone would continue to pay for WOTLK is dumbfounding. it's old content that has been tweaked, we consumed it once already and if turtle wow wasn't an alternative id probably play it, but given that it is, it's not even a close competition.
Honestly I am so excited for this. I play in more of a "dad" guild so we're not too worried about speed clearing and what not. But I have found as of late that my gear / dps has just completely overtaken my tanks ability to generate threat. I often found myself just staying in cat regardless because if I bearweaved anymore I would rip threat instantly. I've always preferred the monocat playstyle and this just adds more complexity to it. Excited to try it out tomorrow during our raid
@@griftin I liked how engaging it was. using all forms made me feel like a real hibrid. Doing a bit of bear, healing the group was very fun. Now we can't really get a pre-clearcasting (unless you use ff and put it on cd). I've still haven't really tested, doing right now, but you will have to prio FF now and that sucks. Will give you more info later tonight.
@@griftin can't belive they've just implemented that not test whatsoever. Wonder how they are going to balance it now. Just reducing the proc chance? increasing the cd? We are now too freaking strong that being top dps isn't even props to skill anymore. with all the things they had to fix on the game, why change that. I could keep up with other dps
I woke up this morning reading that blue, had to double check it was real. Thanks for pushing this! It feels like the right thing to do. We're pushed into this niche corner where we need to jump through the strangest hoops to get mediocre damage output. We can now at least cross flower weaving of our to-do list and hope this will make bear weaving trivial enough so we can focus on our already complex enough fight mechanic as it is. Cheers!
THis is a good change, I see a few things that will change imo:-
1- We will be using Ferocious Bite more, and so our spec will change to put 5/5 into Feral Aggression.
2- Our Aoe will be massive with this new change
3- Kinda worried that our rotation on bosses with adds now will change to just putting dots on boss and replacing shred with swipe spam
I think the actual discovery of our new meta is the best part. Rotation changes, new strats! Bring it on!
ferocious bite went up to 9-10% of total damage from 3-4% based on my dummy testings
I could see swipe becoming huge especially as with current phase (Yogg adds for example) we are constantly needed for AOE... If I want parses I want to swipe
Job Done, man! thanks for your effort on this topic.
Its working right now. Went out in the world and FFF procs Ooc on each cast.
Wow! That is great news! Thanks so much for your effort in making ferals great again! :D:D
I am so ready for this change....I'm glad to see that blizz actually listened to the feral community.
Finally! Thanks for the videos documenting it.
It’s live baby! Go try it!
This will be helpful with our CPPM (Combo Points Per Minute) as Restocats as well! #Restocat4Fite
Restocats are 4 fite also 4 heel
I take back all I said griftin, I'm actually rly excited about the class again, ty for all your hard work man I feel like youve had a massive impact in making this possible
So, what does this mean? bearweaving & floweaving is finnally gone?
bearweaving still alive. time will tell. flower shifting is dead.
@@griftin But since bearweaving will be much smaller impact, you could swap around some talents and go full cat WE FINALLY CAN BITE BROTHER
Wow GG!
EDIT: confirmed it is live ingame now
Thank you. I love my feral but refused to bearweave.
DUDE YOUR VIDEO WORKED? OK NOW PLZ FIX NATURES GRASP FOR THE PVP BOIS
I got to raid last night with the new changes, felt way more smooth. Dumbed down for sure but a nice change.
Hey Griftin and feral friends,
Can you help me understand what they've changed with bear weaving? Is the OoC procs being so consistent what changes the need to bear weave? I'm excited to hop on and try this out! Thanks for being a voice for positive changes friend!!
I'll try to do a quick summary but I'm using voice to chat so you'll have to kind of guess what I'm talking about because they never get world of Warcraft words right. The whole point of bear weaving was to give you something to do while you were low on energy. You can shift into bare form and do whatever abilities you wanted to do and come back into cat with a full or close to full energy bar. With this change you no longer have nothing to do because in between your regular abilities you'll be using feral fairy fire to keep your energy up essentially. Because you now have so many clear casting cracks you just don't need to shift. It may come out that bear weaving is still superior but we don't have enough data to determine that yet
@@griftin dooope! I really appreciate you taking the time to reply!! 💖 I'm excited to get to sit down and try it out!
i never thought id see the day
bro this went live mid freya trash and I was freaking out :D
it feels so much better now
Dude my DPS is already up because of this. So cool! It procs every time I use it. I just added to to a macro with feral charge macro and I have a proc as soon as a charge. Might be a good opener?
I'll cover it in a vid coming out tomorrow morning! Glad you're having good results!
Its live right now!
you sure?
Can confirm, tested on mobs in icecrown and dummy in IF. This will have a great impact 😊
@@yucelcelik986 yup! In the middle of my ulduar 10 man cleanup and my dps is up lol.
I'm gonna miss bearweaving but.... HOLY SHIT LESGOOOOO
Lies, no one misses Bearweaving or flower weaving or any other fkn weaving. Kitty power all the way. :p
@@johndoe-qo8cy lol you are respectfully wrong good sir. Many ferals have eaten up pushing the boundaries of complexity and pushing limits of skill, play feral for that reason, and in the feral discord you can see some people down/worried about the change. Just sucked our dps wasnt strongly rewarded enough for it (until hopefully now). Sorry you weren't able to get the hang of it, getting there was a blast for me. I'm excited for the dmg buff but im hoping the change still feels as fun for me/doesn't feel too easy. Managing to keep up lacerate for an entire fight and refreshing it just barely in time at times was such a dopamine rush, and I always felt so engaged
@@bumbo_stiltskin I dont like the idea of bearweaving, so I never even tried to attempt it. It was not meant to be played that way, still got into the 90s on my parses so wasnt too fussed about it.
@@bumbo_stiltskin shred now go brrr
All that copium I was taking finally worked out.
isnt it a bigger problem , that Farie fire overlappes the better Balance farie fire?
It doesn't, you can see that they don't stack
i wander if this is gonna be 5% dps increase as said on blue post. feels like its gonna be more than that cuz we gettin a guaranteed free shred every 6 seconds, not even to mention dps increase on aoe.
Yeah, i wonder how they tested and what they are comparing it to.
It's probably less aoe DPS because they removed flowerweaving too
I think it'll be a raid DPS gain, but likely a self DPS loss. But we will see
hallelujah!!
Good day to be a kitty ❤
Woah. I heard about this on private servers and thought it was a pipedream they cooked up because druids whined a lot. And now it's coming to Wrath. I won't lie - this stupid bear weaving thing is part of why I stopped playing Wrath and now I'm thinking of coming back.
Turtle wow has improved feral druid's so much better than this fix - tigre's fury buffed to increase attack speed by 20% for 12 seconds while also increasing the duration for 12 seconds also. It's so much fun to play, the buff doesn't stop if you stop to heal and the attack speed buff applies for bear enrage. Talents got tweaked and it's so much more intuitive and better across all classes.
Turtle wow has done so much of a better job than official classic servers and it's free and it's fresh content and there're constant raids and new instances and zones and quests, and it has more players... why anyone would continue to pay for WOTLK is dumbfounding. it's old content that has been tweaked, we consumed it once already and if turtle wow wasn't an alternative id probably play it, but given that it is, it's not even a close competition.
#NerfFerals
Honestly I am so excited for this. I play in more of a "dad" guild so we're not too worried about speed clearing and what not. But I have found as of late that my gear / dps has just completely overtaken my tanks ability to generate threat. I often found myself just staying in cat regardless because if I bearweaved anymore I would rip threat instantly. I've always preferred the monocat playstyle and this just adds more complexity to it. Excited to try it out tomorrow during our raid
Zzzzz
feral sucks now, thanks
Sorry! What don't you like?
@@griftin I liked how engaging it was. using all forms made me feel like a real hibrid. Doing a bit of bear, healing the group was very fun. Now we can't really get a pre-clearcasting (unless you use ff and put it on cd). I've still haven't really tested, doing right now, but you will have to prio FF now and that sucks. Will give you more info later tonight.
@@griftin first imput. do you know how annoying it is to press a meaningless key like FF every 6s?
It felt fine for me. Bearweaving is still there. The only loss is the omen opener which you could proc on tranquility
@@griftin can't belive they've just implemented that not test whatsoever. Wonder how they are going to balance it now. Just reducing the proc chance? increasing the cd? We are now too freaking strong that being top dps isn't even props to skill anymore. with all the things they had to fix on the game, why change that. I could keep up with other dps