I often wondered why I never saw any shots in the show where trains are really moving with speed. Almost all of the train shots are of the train just pulling into a station almost to stop or leaving a station at a snail's pace. This explains it...
Let alone the Leviathan or York 17 which has just started running. But there were workhorse locomotives that looked like this. Not everyone was kept up to the degree the 119 or Jupiter was.
1:00 *Holds up three truck logging shay* "you gonna build that?" "yes" LOL. For those non-train people, three truck shays didn't exist until 1885 and were used strictly for hauling logs slowly over relatively short distances. You can tell the guys talking are not the guys who did any research or actually told the builders what to build. Very glad someone else cared enough to make it accurate.
I like what the guys behind the Wild Wild West movie did and resurrected period locomotives that were pretty damaged, one of them was severely scorched in a fire even. The before and after pictures of the restoration are amazing. The William Mason or The Wanderer as it’s known in the movie has been retired to a museum, it was up and running for a while until an issue with the boiler saw it moved to a static position in display. Still it was amazing they were able to get three locomotives in total.
The only thing about the "Hell on Wheels" locomotive that bothers me is that trains (locomotives) of that period were polished and clean with lots of brass and glossy paint. They were ALWAYS well kept because they were the pride of the railroads and the crews that ran them.
There also was a coal fired engine in several scenes. Was that built also. By 1869-70 most Union Pacific trains were coal fired, yet Hell on Wheels chose to mostly show the wood fired ones.
I have not seen the show but after watching this I agree with your statement about the grimy appearance. Back then as you might be aware, engines were assigned to a specific crew so of course they would want it looking nice (unlike today where UPs locos are disgusting, I should know, I work for them). The UP#119 and the Jupiter locomotive are functioning replicas but I'm guessing that the cost of renting them would exceed there budget.
Not every locomotive was, there quite a bit of documentation of "working" class locomotives that where not painted colorfully, especially if used in construction. The colorful locomotives where used for passenger and express freight services.
Learn the difference between "train" and "locomotive". A "locomotive" pulls a "train". The locomotive plus cars is a "train". A locomotive on it's own is a "locomotive" but it can also be a "train" if it is running under train orders. Not complicated, is it?
During this time period locomotive engineers and firemen took pride in the beauty and shine of their locomotives. No railroad man would be caught dead around a locomotive this dirty and grimy; they'd spend all of their free time wiping cinders from the boiler jacket and polishing the brass fittings that don't exist on these reproductions. Has no one seen the actual replicas at promontory? Also, why is there no ballast on the track?
@@Designandrew Yes they did, all engines were extremely well kept, cleaned, and maintained. Back the , the engines were used by the same crew everyday, and NO engine would wear something like "Thomas Durant" on the tender, maybe as a name on the cab, but not the tender, that's where a company name would go.
@@sudriansignalman9387 yeah the fact that Union Pacific isn't shown anywhere on any train annoys me. Could it be copyright, even if the show is about the UPRR?
I noticed that to, but I think they may have dine it intentionally to possibly make it fit with the "darker" theme, im not really sure. I didn't like it at first either but ive grown to appreciate it. lol
There is one thing that bothered be in a few episodes on HoW: The main rods are sometimes at wonky angles, which would make it impossible for the locomotive to move, unless you wanted to shear apart the con-rod.
It looks surprisingly decent for a prop made of wood and styrofoam, but there are some real, period correct locomotives out there that they could have used. Virginia & Truckee #22 "Inyo", which lives at the Nevada State Railroad Museum, would have been perfect (it's from 1875 but looks close enough to 1860s-era locomotives). I'm thinking they probably went with a custom prop so that they would have full control over it and be able to take it on location, but still, there's a lot they could have done with a real locomotive that they couldn't do with a fake one. Especially for a show where the railroad is literally the entire point of it, I think they should have put a little more attention into making the trains look good, rather than it being a last-minute rush job.
While on a time crunch it bothers me that the trains always looked dingy and dirty. Locomotives of the time were the pride of the railroad and were kept extraordinarily clean, a good except from this article here cs.trains.com/trn/b/staff/archive/2012/01/05/beware-of-styrofoam-and-plywood-locomotives-bearing-history.aspx I still love the series however and it makes for great TV as long as you aren't hanging on to it for anything historical lol
The locomotive sticks out like a sore thumb to me. the search that brought me here literaly was : the train on hell on wheels is crap. But considering the team only had 3 weeks to finish it, I'll give it a pass. Otherwise I'm liking the show for the most part.
+Bg Labelle I'm trying to figure out if you're serious. Try searching google images for "Leviathan 63" or "York 17". Yes the crew did a good job on a tight schedule, but they are far from accurate for the time period.
Bg Labelle Look on the behind the scenes on The Lone Ranger movie. Sure its not steam but the locomotives could run on their own and they were scaled and standard gauge.
@@FerrousEquusEng the Leviathan 63 wasn't made until Sept 1868, its sibling, the Jupiter 60, was involved in the Golden Spike Ceremony May 1869 (along with the Union Pacific's No. 119)...so it actually was designed more with passengers/pr in mind and saw limited use in the construction of the first transcontinental. The Central Pacific's *Gov. Stanford* is a model 4-4-0 built in 1862 and was used extensively in building the railroad. Pictures of it line up with the HoW styrofoam model - granted its a TV show, not an accurate historical representation...but that being said they did a decent job! In my quick research, I couldn't find a similar period built Union Pacific train so if someone finds one, that would be awesome to share!
I know. I immediately thought of "The General" which had been in service since before the civil war... it would not have been hard to copy, and there's one on display in Georgia (I believe)
That is the Reno #11 from the Virginia & Truckee Railroad. That would be a nice locomotive to use, but I am part of a project to try to acquire and restore it, and my God does it need work.
I want one. In my basement man cave. Seriously. Bill...come down and I'll feed you and get you drunk enough not to miss Calgary and I'll introduce you to New York hockey players that you can talk trash with.
4:05 what the hell is that? . a 0-3-1???? pretty sure no country ever built a loco like that..... it must be 100% CGI, and the CGI guys thought the small 2nd pilot wheel was a driving wheel..... . like the 0-2-2 that you built is realistic...... but a 0-3-1....heck no
0-3-1? You mean a 2-6-0 Mogul? Yes, there were thousands of them. You can’t have odd numbers when they’re pairs of wheels on rails. Read up on the Whyte notation sometime.
Show set during the building of the transcontinental railroad and you didn't do your homework and cheaped out on the locomotive. You had tons of resources from the real life replicas of the Jupiter and UP119, national parks service, the Union Pacific archives, ANY railfan would have volunteered to help out. The paint scheme is all wrong and why on earth would you look at trains from the 50's, the end of the steam era, what were you guys smoking? Lazy effort, especially for a centerpiece. You can't get away with this with HD tv it's painfully obvious it's made of wood and nothing looks remotely convincing.
I started watching the show but couldn't understand the actors. They mumbled or talked with the words almost too close together to make any sense, I had to use closed captioned most of the time which I hate because I can't enjoy the show. So I never watched more than that one show. I am sure the show was good, but not being able to understand the actors, not worth my time.
Being British, yes, I can understand that. Some people over here are hard for me to understand, and some friends have to ask me 2 or 3 times what I said, so it goes both ways. I ask my wife all the time "what did he say?" on some TV shows. Or I put closed captioning on.
One of the most underrated shows Iv ever seen
Awesome show, so underrated. Hard to believe something of this quality is not topping the lists of everyone's must watch list.
The train really is the main character, and they did a wonderful job recreating it.
I often wondered why I never saw any shots in the show where trains are really moving with speed. Almost all of the train shots are of the train just pulling into a station almost to stop or leaving a station at a snail's pace. This explains it...
HDDynamicFilms makes you wonder about the episode they race the Indian with the train
One word. CGI.
You didn't see the race with the indian on the horse?
The locomotives really are characters in and of themselves, particularly this one. It's very distinctive and seems to have it's own personality.
Let alone the Leviathan or York 17 which has just started running. But there were workhorse locomotives that looked like this. Not everyone was kept up to the degree the 119 or Jupiter was.
1:00 *Holds up three truck logging shay* "you gonna build that?" "yes" LOL. For those non-train people, three truck shays didn't exist until 1885 and were used strictly for hauling logs slowly over relatively short distances. You can tell the guys talking are not the guys who did any research or actually told the builders what to build. Very glad someone else cared enough to make it accurate.
I like what the guys behind the Wild Wild West movie did and resurrected period locomotives that were pretty damaged, one of them was severely scorched in a fire even. The before and after pictures of the restoration are amazing. The William Mason or The Wanderer as it’s known in the movie has been retired to a museum, it was up and running for a while until an issue with the boiler saw it moved to a static position in display. Still it was amazing they were able to get three locomotives in total.
Cullen Bohannon built this Railroad
The only thing about the "Hell on Wheels" locomotive that bothers me is that trains (locomotives) of that period were polished and clean with lots of brass and glossy paint. They were ALWAYS well kept because they were the pride of the railroads and the crews that ran them.
Oh so you're 150 years old? Tell me more about the old west
superspeeed theres this thing called photography and research. You probably haven't heard of it.
Usually, on these workhorse rail systems, they'd send dirty, grimy locos, and keep the shine for the passenger runs.
guess they wanted a dirtier more rugged look
You are correct!!!! They took much pride in the cleanliness of the locomotives of that era.....
I hope both of those ingeniously created "locomotives" (and the cars, too) are being preserved, and not left to rot out in the weather!
Cullen Bohannon is one of the most badass characters I've ever seen on tv
Mans really said "Fine. I'll do it myself."
I always thought that the train must have been a real one!
The Dude its not
There also was a coal fired engine in several scenes. Was that built also. By 1869-70 most Union Pacific trains were coal fired, yet Hell on Wheels chose to mostly show the wood fired ones.
Reminds me of the Orange Blossom Cannonball in Florida.
I have not seen the show but after watching this I agree with your statement about the grimy appearance. Back then as you might be aware, engines were assigned to a specific crew so of course they would want it looking nice (unlike today where UPs locos are disgusting, I should know, I work for them). The UP#119 and the Jupiter locomotive are functioning replicas but I'm guessing that the cost of renting them would exceed there budget.
They were looking for locomotives between the 1900s and 1950s? What were they thinking? They should've looked up engines from the 1860s period
wow awesome
Not every locomotive was, there quite a bit of documentation of "working" class locomotives that where not painted colorfully, especially if used in construction. The colorful locomotives where used for passenger and express freight services.
Learn the difference between "train" and "locomotive". A "locomotive" pulls a "train". The locomotive plus cars is a "train". A locomotive on it's own is a "locomotive" but it can also be a "train" if it is running under train orders.
Not complicated, is it?
"And what do you want for christmas?"
During this time period locomotive engineers and firemen took pride in the beauty and shine of their locomotives. No railroad man would be caught dead around a locomotive this dirty and grimy; they'd spend all of their free time wiping cinders from the boiler jacket and polishing the brass fittings that don't exist on these reproductions. Has no one seen the actual replicas at promontory? Also, why is there no ballast on the track?
Maybe some engineers would, but I doubt the westward bound engineers cared for such things
@@Designandrew Yes they did, all engines were extremely well kept, cleaned, and maintained. Back the , the engines were used by the same crew everyday, and NO engine would wear something like "Thomas Durant" on the tender, maybe as a name on the cab, but not the tender, that's where a company name would go.
@@sudriansignalman9387 yeah the fact that Union Pacific isn't shown anywhere on any train annoys me. Could it be copyright, even if the show is about the UPRR?
@@aj3751 I wouldn't think so, and more than likely UP would just think of it as free publicity
I noticed that to, but I think they may have dine it intentionally to possibly make it fit with the "darker" theme, im not really sure. I didn't like it at first either but ive grown to appreciate it. lol
There is one thing that bothered be in a few episodes on HoW: The main rods are sometimes at wonky angles, which would make it impossible for the locomotive to move, unless you wanted to shear apart the con-rod.
It looks surprisingly decent for a prop made of wood and styrofoam, but there are some real, period correct locomotives out there that they could have used. Virginia & Truckee #22 "Inyo", which lives at the Nevada State Railroad Museum, would have been perfect (it's from 1875 but looks close enough to 1860s-era locomotives). I'm thinking they probably went with a custom prop so that they would have full control over it and be able to take it on location, but still, there's a lot they could have done with a real locomotive that they couldn't do with a fake one. Especially for a show where the railroad is literally the entire point of it, I think they should have put a little more attention into making the trains look good, rather than it being a last-minute rush job.
Now if we can figure out a way where the smoke machines won't set off all my fire alarm sensors.
But this is so friggin' cool.
While on a time crunch it bothers me that the trains always looked dingy and dirty. Locomotives of the time were the pride of the railroad and were kept extraordinarily clean, a good except from this article here cs.trains.com/trn/b/staff/archive/2012/01/05/beware-of-styrofoam-and-plywood-locomotives-bearing-history.aspx I still love the series however and it makes for great TV as long as you aren't hanging on to it for anything historical lol
Just not the working ones. The passenger ones were all dolled up, though.
The locomotive sticks out like a sore thumb to me. the search that brought me here literaly was : the train on hell on wheels is crap. But considering the team only had 3 weeks to finish it, I'll give it a pass. Otherwise I'm liking the show for the most part.
+Bg Labelle I'm trying to figure out if you're serious. Try searching google images for "Leviathan 63" or "York 17". Yes the crew did a good job on a tight schedule, but they are far from accurate for the time period.
Bg Labelle Look on the behind the scenes on The Lone Ranger movie. Sure its not steam but the locomotives could run on their own and they were scaled and standard gauge.
@@FerrousEquusEng the Leviathan 63 wasn't made until Sept 1868, its sibling, the Jupiter 60, was involved in the Golden Spike Ceremony May 1869 (along with the Union Pacific's No. 119)...so it actually was designed more with passengers/pr in mind and saw limited use in the construction of the first transcontinental. The Central Pacific's *Gov. Stanford* is a model 4-4-0 built in 1862 and was used extensively in building the railroad. Pictures of it line up with the HoW styrofoam model - granted its a TV show, not an accurate historical representation...but that being said they did a decent job!
In my quick research, I couldn't find a similar period built Union Pacific train so if someone finds one, that would be awesome to share!
I know. I immediately thought of "The General" which had been in service since before the civil war... it would not have been hard to copy, and there's one on display in Georgia (I believe)
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There is a real one in "Old Tucson" Movie Studio. President Grant was once a passenger.
That is the Reno #11 from the Virginia & Truckee Railroad. That would be a nice locomotive to use, but I am part of a project to try to acquire and restore it, and my God does it need work.
if u had hired Bohannon to help ya, it would have been done in a week or so :P
I want one. In my basement man cave. Seriously. Bill...come down and I'll feed you and get you drunk enough not to miss Calgary and I'll introduce you to New York hockey players that you can talk trash with.
if that was me building it i would litarally quit within two hours but besides that this is awsome
You should of used a real steam powered locomotive, there are plenty of operateing western like locomotive all over the u.s
Way too expensive to lease or rent
A number of original as well as reproduction locomotives were available. Done to save money or just lazy
yeah except they painted it the wrong color.
Odd never quite right I did like the series though the Train well it look odd.
not every train was pretty, the standard work locomotives where simply black and grimy.
Guess reproduction engines were not available for rent
they couldnt lease one as long as they needed and by building replicas they could damage or destroy it with out wrecking a chunk of history
4:05 what the hell is that?
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a 0-3-1???? pretty sure no country ever built a loco like that..... it must be 100% CGI,
and the CGI guys thought the small 2nd pilot wheel was a driving wheel.....
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like the 0-2-2 that you built is realistic...... but a 0-3-1....heck no
Its a 2-6-0 in the End 🤔
0-3-1? You mean a 2-6-0 Mogul? Yes, there were thousands of them. You can’t have odd numbers when they’re pairs of wheels on rails. Read up on the Whyte notation sometime.
Thus made me pretty darn dissapointed
Show set during the building of the transcontinental railroad and you didn't do your homework and cheaped out on the locomotive. You had tons of resources from the real life replicas of the Jupiter and UP119, national parks service, the Union Pacific archives, ANY railfan would have volunteered to help out. The paint scheme is all wrong and why on earth would you look at trains from the 50's, the end of the steam era, what were you guys smoking? Lazy effort, especially for a centerpiece.
You can't get away with this with HD tv it's painfully obvious it's made of wood and nothing looks remotely convincing.
The people who made The Lone Ranger did better then them, they built a steam engine that moves on its own with steam power without special effects.
One word: budget
Second word: Kazoo.
They werent run on steam they used a diesel hydraulic system for the lone ranger trains, but they made theirs more realistic.
Raymond Leggs I just found that out :/
superspeeed Not an excuse for lack of detail though.
historically accurate my ass!
I started watching the show but couldn't understand the actors. They mumbled or talked with the words almost too close together to make any sense, I had to use closed captioned most of the time which I hate because I can't enjoy the show. So I never watched more than that one show. I am sure the show was good, but not being able to understand the actors, not worth my time.
lmmfao
I could understand them just fine, maybe you aren't familiar with American English?
Being British, yes, I can understand that. Some people over here are hard for me to understand, and some friends have to ask me 2 or 3 times what I said, so it goes both ways. I ask my wife all the time "what did he say?" on some TV shows. Or I put closed captioning on.