We drove from Tarbes to Caen a week ago. We own a 2021 Model 3 LR and a Peugeot Rifter 1.5 diesel (50+mpg easily on long runs). Overall, driving the Peugeot on exactly the same route, in the same weather, is faster (7 1/2 hours) but costs about €10 more in diesel than the Tesla (10 1/2 hours) costs in electricity. Also Diesel is much easier to find than chargers.
Thanks for sharing your experience. As it says in the video the difference does come down to the route and your driving preferences - with a petrol/diesel it's possible to drive for 3 hours, stop for 5 minutes and do a driver swap/comfort break, and carry on for another 3 hours. Plus as you say in an EV you're dependent on the location and availability of chargers which is better on some routes than others. Tesla chargers in particular can involve detours vs a quick stop and go at an Aire, this can add quite a bit to overall time - this is why we try to record the time from entering the slip road to charge started in our videos.
@ to many, these may seem trivialities and nuances but the reality of the same journey taking two or three hours longer because of leaving the autoroutes, arriving at the charger,charging,arriving back on the route again adds that much over stopping because you fancy a break or refuelling. Might be worth mentioning the forthcoming palarva over chargers having mandatory bank card rfid readers instead of the ongoing nonsense of memberships, subscription categories, rfids for every netwrok you’ll need, apps etc. vs Tesla not being required to have any of that and the possibility of Tesla refusing access to non Teslas and vice versa!
Be interested to know how you found the two different cars in terms of driving experience. I’ve definitely found EV to be a more calming driving (apart from range anxiety) than my old ICE cars I’ve had in the past.
@@johnw65uk Two different prospects. Teslas are designed for American roads. Mostly Straight with corners at junctions. Peugeots are designed for European roads which bend and curve a lot. So the model 3 feels like a skateboard by comparison to the Rifter. The Tesla eats up motorways and feels heavy on bendy local roads. The Rifter doesn’t hang about and drives like a modern turbo diesel….and has massive load space. The differences between a Model 3 (low seats mean climbing in and holding onto bodywork while rolling out of the seat) and a manual box Rifter (step in and out like an SUV), ride quality, seat height, quality of driving… is vast. The rifter is much softer to drive due to more compliant suspension, smaller tyres with higher side profile, better suspension, load carrying, is easily quieter inside than the model 3, has better all around visibility…. We have kept the model 3 because it has depreciated so much and costs so little to run, otherwise (mainly because Tesla owners are treated like stupid beta testers for an incomplete product, but also because Musk is a dangerous lunatic who has never had an original thought in his life but who can crash brand value like a bull in a china shop) we would have sold it long ago. I use both cars interchangeably. The peugeot feels more like an SUV to sit in as well as the higher all around view point. On longer journeys which require use of Autoroutes (we live in France) it has a 6th gear and apart from some inclines, rarely comes out of 6th. In terms of refuelling, the tesla is 99.9% charged at home but out on the road is a nightmare to recharge on local routes; nothing to do with the car and everything to do with crap infrastructure.
Thanks. Be interested to know how you got on with destination charging. We hired a hybrid in Provence but could have saved £100 on the hire getting a Tesla but just didn’t want to stress about finding charging at our accommodation or elsewhere.
Our first video was a destination charger - ruclips.net/video/oEw7ygzz5WA/видео.htmlsi=zmp3pmhcw7wlkIB5. We have found these quite useful but as with destination chargers in the UK I wouldn't rely on them. If there is one somewhere you're going anyway it can be worth trying a charge to save you a separate trip, we just use the Electroverse app to find them. it worked out quite well for us when we stayed somewhere quite out of the way (Saou - 30km east of Montelimar) as we parked up for a few hours while we went for a walk and explored and came back to about 40kWh added (or 65% on our car).
Other times we've successfully used destination charging is when we've stayed overnight at hotels both in the UK and France. These have tended to be 22/7kW chargers and have let us fill up while we've been sleeping all ready to set off the next day.
Thanks for the summary. Love the spreadsheet ❤
We drove from Tarbes to Caen a week ago.
We own a 2021 Model 3 LR and a Peugeot Rifter 1.5 diesel (50+mpg easily on long runs).
Overall, driving the Peugeot on exactly the same route, in the same weather, is faster (7 1/2 hours) but costs about €10 more in diesel than the Tesla (10 1/2 hours) costs in electricity. Also Diesel is much easier to find than chargers.
Thanks for sharing your experience. As it says in the video the difference does come down to the route and your driving preferences - with a petrol/diesel it's possible to drive for 3 hours, stop for 5 minutes and do a driver swap/comfort break, and carry on for another 3 hours. Plus as you say in an EV you're dependent on the location and availability of chargers which is better on some routes than others. Tesla chargers in particular can involve detours vs a quick stop and go at an Aire, this can add quite a bit to overall time - this is why we try to record the time from entering the slip road to charge started in our videos.
@ to many, these may seem trivialities and nuances but the reality of the same journey taking two or three hours longer because of leaving the autoroutes, arriving at the charger,charging,arriving back on the route again adds that much over stopping because you fancy a break or refuelling.
Might be worth mentioning the forthcoming palarva over chargers having mandatory bank card rfid readers instead of the ongoing nonsense of memberships, subscription categories, rfids for every netwrok you’ll need, apps etc. vs Tesla not being required to have any of that and the possibility of Tesla refusing access to non Teslas and vice versa!
Be interested to know how you found the two different cars in terms of driving experience. I’ve definitely found EV to be a more calming driving (apart from range anxiety) than my old ICE cars I’ve had in the past.
@@johnw65uk Two different prospects. Teslas are designed for American roads. Mostly Straight with corners at junctions. Peugeots are designed for European roads which bend and curve a lot. So the model 3 feels like a skateboard by comparison to the Rifter. The Tesla eats up motorways and feels heavy on bendy local roads. The Rifter doesn’t hang about and drives like a modern turbo diesel….and has massive load space.
The differences between a Model 3 (low seats mean climbing in and holding onto bodywork while rolling out of the seat) and a manual box Rifter (step in and out like an SUV), ride quality, seat height, quality of driving… is vast. The rifter is much softer to drive due to more compliant suspension, smaller tyres with higher side profile, better suspension, load carrying, is easily quieter inside than the model 3, has better all around visibility…. We have kept the model 3 because it has depreciated so much and costs so little to run, otherwise (mainly because Tesla owners are treated like stupid beta testers for an incomplete product, but also because Musk is a dangerous lunatic who has never had an original thought in his life but who can crash brand value like a bull in a china shop) we would have sold it long ago.
I use both cars interchangeably. The peugeot feels more like an SUV to sit in as well as the higher all around view point. On longer journeys which require use of Autoroutes (we live in France) it has a 6th gear and apart from some inclines, rarely comes out of 6th. In terms of refuelling, the tesla is 99.9% charged at home but out on the road is a nightmare to recharge on local routes; nothing to do with the car and everything to do with crap infrastructure.
Thanks. Be interested to know how you got on with destination charging. We hired a hybrid in Provence but could have saved £100 on the hire getting a Tesla but just didn’t want to stress about finding charging at our accommodation or elsewhere.
Our first video was a destination charger - ruclips.net/video/oEw7ygzz5WA/видео.htmlsi=zmp3pmhcw7wlkIB5. We have found these quite useful but as with destination chargers in the UK I wouldn't rely on them. If there is one somewhere you're going anyway it can be worth trying a charge to save you a separate trip, we just use the Electroverse app to find them. it worked out quite well for us when we stayed somewhere quite out of the way (Saou - 30km east of Montelimar) as we parked up for a few hours while we went for a walk and explored and came back to about 40kWh added (or 65% on our car).
Other times we've successfully used destination charging is when we've stayed overnight at hotels both in the UK and France. These have tended to be 22/7kW chargers and have let us fill up while we've been sleeping all ready to set off the next day.