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EckhartsLadder nothing against you I love your video as always its excellent but mace would struggle against grevious as he uses the lightsaber form 7 juyo or more accurately vapaad which relies on using a person's darkside (force) against them as grevious is a machine mace would not be able to do this and as vapaad is a purely aggressive form he lacks defence to the same level as obi wan
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Really. Even before Eck gets to the feats prescribed to the character I'm sitting there wondering how reliable the novelization is as a source when it omits one of his most distinctive mannerisms. With most of, if not all of the General's feats being taken from that one source it really hurts the assessment Eck lays down. Now Chief on the other hand, a lot of his feats from the novels have been echoed elsewhere.
@Matthew O'Rosco It's actually show in the Clone Wars Cartoon. When Grievous was escaping with Palpatine, Mace Windu used the force and crushed Grievous' chest. After this Grievous develops the coughing fits. Here is a link to the video. ruclips.net/video/M0gnwyYRHu8/видео.html
@@Dawleyllama That's literally what he said, "when they found out at the last minute they shoe horned in Mace windu crushing him in the final episode."
@@plzletmebefrank he would only need a very small amount of oxygen to survive for a long time because he only has a couple of the essential organs so he would be able to hold his breath for a very long time since he has no muscles that need oxygen to operate
@@caseyhall2320 here I got you. General Grevious in canon is a push over and a pansy. In George Lucas's own words "he is more of a 'mwahaha' twirls his mustache and barely gets away kind of villain." Canon Grevious can not even beat padawans and is rarely if ever shown to be a competent fighter or person. He has a terrible win loss ratio and most of the time the only way he wins is with utter bs or by not fighting himself in the first place. His body is fragile, getting broken often, and he is a complete idiot with a lack of any sense of strategic value. General Grevious in Legends (like how he is in 2003) is a nigh unstoppable murdering machine. He is a genuis assassin who killed dozens to hundreds of jedi with their clone companies on his own. He is a strategic genius as well, having fairly earned the rank of general after proving himself to be a tactical genius who managed to turn the tide of the war so hard in favor of the Confederacy that he almost won a war that he was never supposed to be able to win. His armor was almost unbreakable, taking blaster shots from star ships and even grabbing lightsaber blades with his bare hands at one point. He has moved so quickly and so silently on multiple occasions to where to others it appeared as though he teleported. He is confident in his abilities but not cocky, he never underestimates his opponents and has a near 100% accuracy rating when it comes to judging how powerful a foe might be. There was even a time he kept up with, and pushed back, mace winder in combat even though the general was heavily weighed down by magnets. He was also a powerful warrior who lived for combat nearly his entire life before becoming a cyborg. During training sessions, Count Dooku even found it difficult to win the duels, often having to pull out secret techniques to end the battle quickly. There was even one point where the general spun his lightsabers so quickly and in such a way he created a bubble of pulsing light around him. The only thing both General Grevious have in common is the fact they are easily annoyed by droids, just for vary different reasons.
doom slayer: General Grievous, i've come to bargain. (dead) General Grievous, i've come to bargain.. (dead) General Grievous, i've come to bargain! (dead) General Grievous, i've co- (dead) General- (dead) ok this is BS- (dead) General Grievous- ok stop or i'll annihilate you!!! (dead) i'm so gonna kill yo- (dead) would you stop!!! (dead) ok this is enough (takes out BFG 9000) (kicks the remains of Grievous for 20 minutes straight)
First impressions: Grievous: A big human in advanced armor, but why is he carrying a slugthrower? Master Chief: It looks like a Sanghelli cyborg with four arms. WTF?
I would also like them in MK. My friend always said how there is no Star Wars character in MK and that made me feel sad. He wasn't really into SW but I was and even he knew that something was missing
@@thisisntfine6729 yes they can. Bullets exist in star wars but they are called slug throwers. Jedi have trouble blocking them as the saber will melt the metal and send it flying into the Jedi but armored Jedi or those with strong force powers and strong bodies can power through it. Previously, however, can tank hits from starfighters, missile launchers, force attacks and one attack that tore apart his army or b2 battle droids (which are known to be tough among anyone but force users.) However grevious simply walked through all of it. The Jedi shown in the clip was caught off guard and fired upon from a large force that knew how he fought. Besides Jedi can react to bullets, lasers, missiles, etc. He, in fact, fought 2 council members along with 3 other Jedi and beat them with such ease he didn't have to deploy his extra arms. The only time he did was either when he was on a schedule and didn't want to waste time or when he faced a real challenge. Grevious could easily stand there and wait for chief to run out of ammo before slicing him to bits.
wafflegamer 251 and use a force shield to block ur grenade,use the force to explode the grenade before u can even trow it,and finally if manage to throw a grenade,use the force to return it before it even touch the ground.finally use the force to absorb(lol I know grevios never use the force).greivos armor is to THICC.
The thing about blasters though and it's roughly like playing baseball they don't move much faster than a baseball does as far as I know I could be wrong but if we're judging based off of a visual representation you don't need precognition to block them you can see him coming a mile away there Bright and glowy and they move really slow relatively speaking
We see grievous casually walk in space many times. The cough is probably something he requested as if you lay really close attention GREVIOUS DOESNT HAVE A MOUTH. The laugh is the sound of a laugh. Grevious himself isn't laughing
probably the same reason they call all the other spartans demon too, they look similar to them but they are always faceless and emotionless killing machines
It is also possible that Grievous was disadvantaged in Revenge of the Sith. In Clone Wars (2003) Grievous suffers a major chest injury from Mace, using the force to partially crush Grievous' rib cage. The injury takes place right immediately before the Battle of Coruscant. This if I remember correctly is the reason he had his cough.
Grevious was badly injured in that. The only reason I could give it the Master Chief i because he's master chief and willing to kill himself to win (multiple times).
Brian Wallace starships are laser based weapons. Lasers are light based. Projectile weapons use physical projectiles. Not only are they way way faster moving, they bring in physical force on impact. And if chief has a plasma weapon, it’ll short circuit grevious whole system and burn his remaining protected organs
No that's when the marines all died to the flood when you see Jenkins helmet cam silly did you not memorise everything in every halo game or something?
Kingx Kai117 issue is the scorpion is mainly anti infantry with an anti infantry turret and a light cannon maybe the grizzly would be a better fight as that is meant to be anti vehicle.
Bobsbestfriend sorry I'm confused but how is the unsc MBT solely a anti infantry vehicle??? That doesn't make a lot of sense unless your going off of lore references then I think your wildly mistaken
Chiefs luck is not factored into arguments because its not a valid point. Thats his gimmick but its not something can be used to instantly win. Look at Saitama His gimmick is he can one shot anyone. Chiefs gimmick is that he's lucky. So Saitama would win because he one shots Chief, but Chief wins because he's super lucky right? Yeah, not how it works.
@@crusader7eth163 AT-AT's are highly shielded and armored and while they put out starfighter grade firepower, i dont know how long it'll last against a focused beam of plasma on it. An AT-M6 though will bombard if before it even gets in range.
I don’t think luck counts, but I suppose it could be translated over to Star Wars as Chief being favored by the force? Not force sensitive, but someone the force sorta favors.
When the separatists are losing in ep 3 killing Grievous is literally their win condition. Jedi don't fear him because they are idiots, watch lair of Grievous clone wars ep and you will see how scared the Clones are of him. Also those exposed organs take 3 blaster shots point blank before he dies.
i'll be honest, i hate the novelized versions of both characters writers are quick to throw around measurements like "20ms" without any understanding of what that would mean/look like.
@@joshuahadams It would, if you weren't using augmentation and the Mjolnir power armor. The suit isn't just something he puts on, it's linked to his brain and neural system. What he thinks and reacts to the suit does automatically, the suit kills anyone who isn't a spartan 2. They tested it with normal marines in one book and it crushed all of his bones because of those sudden movements. You have to remember Chief isn't just a normal man but has insanely dangerous augments that killed a fuck ton of other candidates in the Spartan 2 program, he was also one of if not the best Spartans in that program. They can run on average 70 KMPH, and yes have the reaction times as fast as 20ms because of what I said earlier. They are also more accurate with their weapons because the suit links to their brain and their optics, add an AI like cortana and it becomes even better.
@@HurtboxTV "They can run on average 70 KMPH" lmao, no. We've all played the games, we've seen the cutscenes, we all know this is bullshit. I couldn't give less of a shit what some writer _thinks_ would be 'cool' on the written page. And on the topic of grievous, _his_ movement is described as "an imitation quantum-event" that's a yikes from me my dude. Halo/Star Wars honestly don't even get the worst of this type of stuff. (though it _is_ frankly horrible here too) the worst I've seen so far tend to come from comic books where writers accidentally have characters going multiple times the speed of light because they don't know the terms they're using. And I'm not talking about Superman, I'm talking Tony Stark and co.
@@nonya_bidness The novels, which _are_ canon, state that he ran at a speed of 60kph. It's a canonical feat, regardless of what you think is "cool" or not. And the games are known to break away from established canon for sake of gameplay. Which is why you're marine buddies don't get their chests blown out by a single plasma bolt, or why you don't get completely vaporized by errant Wraith shots.
I think Chief is one of the few non-force-sensitive humans out there who actually could and would be able to topple Grievous for one very simple reason. Dooku taught and trained the general that: "-you must have fear, surprise, and intimidation on your side. But if any one element is lacking, it would be best for you to retreat." But against Sierra-117 he would be lucky to even secure one of these advantages.
Darth Vanquish agreed skip this was probably run after multiple accurate shots to vital points besides precognition Grievous nah man Master Chief got upgraded by the librarian remember he can do more stuff we just haven't seen it yet
It was specifically stated that Grevious would need those three elements to take on the finest that the Jedi Order could throw at him. I don't think that MC could take on Obi-Wan, and I doubt he would be able to do much against Grevious.
Speaking canonically, John-117 fears nothing, is surprised by nothing, and dosn't cowl to intimidation, either by higher ranking officers or the deadliest of adversaries. Besides this, a well aimed "sticky" (plasma grenade) can take out anybody, and Grievous gets easily distracted when he thinks he's got the upper hand. Even the laughably inaccurate M16 assault rifle (I'd take a plasma pistol and DMR any day) can fire far faster than any blaster, and will pepper Grievous with such spread that he'd be unable to "catch" much of anything. His armour being depleted, Chief would then "pop" Grievous in the head with his Magnum, resulting in a shower of confetti to the sound of ecstatic gungan children. Chief would probably loose to Obi-wan, but I don't see them having any need to fight one another, other than a simple competition duel to gauge one another's abilities and learn from the other's fighting styles. Although if they kept it to strictly lightsaber vs energy sword, that could be interesting.
Darth Vanquish what you need to understand is that in the Star Wars Galaxy shit gets all fucked up the moment Master Chief appearance in the Star Wars Galaxies there will be a disturbance in the force One powerful enough for both Sith and Jedi to feel it what you need to understand this Master Chief's massive amount of luck could actually be in the force when brought to the Star Wars universe his natural abilities as a child shows this as much for the machine part nothing was taken out of Master Chief just added on metal was grafted two stones to make him stronger a perfect Target for both Sith and Jedi and an already trained and lethal Warrior now able to tap into the force because of his presence in the Star Wars universe although unknowingly one would simply need to train them how to wield the blade and wield his abilities with the force as good as Master Chief is I see him siding with the Sith but for his goal of protecting Humanity mainly because of his distrust of aliens dude this would be an awesome fanfiction
BlackEpyon Grievous has superior speed to most sentient beings but I'm assuming Chief is using UNSC weapons. Grievous has dodged bullets easily in legends and Vader has in cannon. I think Grievous is meant to be faster than Vader, even in cannon.
I legit thought this said general grievous versus master chef, and I was like " Why in the heck am I getting a notification about general grievous on a cooking show?"
I think Chief has another edge that's overlooked a lot. During the Mandalorian war with the old republic the Mandalorians were able to find a fatal in the lightsaber in that while it could deflect blaster bolts it couldn't deflect ballistic munitions (slug throwers) and they'd pass straight through and shred a Jedi at range. If Chief could get off a shot, rounds might slip between gaps in Grievous's armor.
Yeah grievous’ speed is in leaping motions as well as his “quantum” blade spinning, but I think cheif could definitely “headshot” him and blind him easily… really don’t know how eck didn’t think of this
@@DrBusiness9 You kinda answered your own question. the sheer speed that Grievous moves means that unless he's standing still, even Chief's reaction time and reflexes would not get an aimed shot at the general. Spray and pray is the only real option.
WAIT! One: light sabres cant fully stop metal based ammunition which is what chief would be using. Two: durosteel is also susceptible to metal rounds and i think the gun or pistol chief would be using hold armour piercing rounds as well. How i see it the General starts out by sprinting at Chief pulling out his sabers, meanwhile Chief stars walking backwards pulling out his pistol and empties the clip aimed at the General's head. He manages to avoid a few rounds but either one cracks his skull, or once he is within a few dozen feet Chief takes out his rifle and unloads into him filling him full of lead. The General could try zig-zagging or jumping over or into cover, but even though the General has a lifetime's experience sword fighting, the Chief has a lifetime's experience shooting. No matter what he does he will be taking hits the whole time, either he takes too much damage and is disabled, or he is outright killed. The only way i could see him winning is if he can close the ground
Syd R oh also most of the guns the UNSC uses are amor piercing, they even have “shredder rounds” which are stronger than armor piercing if I’m not mistaken
I’d like to mention grievous was actually a marksmen. Before he became a cybord grievous was the greatest markmens in Star Wars lore, also carrying a blaster on him. If need be he isn’t unfamiliar at fighting at range. I also find it a bit hard to believe chief could track him well enough to land consistent shots on him. As even Jedi can barley track grievous when he’s moving at full speed.
i still laugh at that fight between chief and locke. locke's fighting his heart out and chief is honestly just toying with him considering he could punch straight through his chest
@@pooroldman5089 with the actual strength/power differences between spartan 2 and later gens, absolutely just toying with him. It's not an exaggeration that he could punch clean through locke armor and all.
I think you doubt the damage that Chief could do with that rifle. His aim is effectively perfect, and i don't think Grievous is able to see individual bullets. He wouldn't be able to deflect them (even if he could see them) and if he hits them before they hit him then he's only going to superheat each shot before he's hit. I also don't see Grievous getting out of the way of Chief shooting at him. Chief is, effectively, a perfect shot. - and Grievous' chest is quite open. Assuming Chief or cortana spot the rather obvious weakness, i think the General is doomed. I agree that if Grievous gets close then Chief is basically done. I think he'd probably be stronger and his reactions at least close enough to fight back if Grievous was only using two arms - but even then, having range in a melee is extremely effective, so only having a knife or his fists isn't going to cut it. And of course, Grievous isn't going to settle using just two of his arms. I think Chief takes it maybe 7/10. Perhaps Grievous finds a way to protect his vulnerable organs and get close.
@@hazart8909 I have to disagree though Spartans in lore have more abilitys that would make Grevious jealous Spartan time, OP Strength, Perfect shot placement, Running up to 60mph, jumping 30+ feet, and that's just the Spartan 2 abilitys Chieg has the best AI to ever exist plus his suit is legit better than most star ships... Chief wins 8/10 times once Cortana finds out a week point its over
Neither Chief nor Grievous have pre-cognition. Bullets travel a lot faster than plasma bolts. Chief could definitely target different vulnerable parts of Grievous with what is essentially a 7.62x51mm rifle and a 60rd magazine and hit SOMETHING vital. Especially the wrists. If Chief can land a couple shots on Grievous’s wrists and disarm him, the fight is over at that point but Chief will outmaniever Grievous, get a light saber, and win easily.
I, General Grievous, the Knight-Slayer, the pique of physical ability, who has slain hundreds of Jedi *for sport*, or some guy who can hardly even walk if you just destroy one chip in his armour.
thanks eck!!! that revenge of the sith novelization is absolutely fantastic, i have read it several times the first death star battle is also so interesting
i feel that you forgot the fact that Spartans are able to go into spartan time which slows the world around him up to 3X so he has even more reaction time
Pro Gaming i agree. If my enemy took my lightsaber and added to his collection id feel quite honoured. Thats a good feeling to have before being impaled by electrostaffs
Grievous: "Ha! Your puny recoil weapons are no match for-" Master Chief quick draws a Needler and empties it, all needles home in on Grevious' exposed eyes. End Scene.
@@evilmidnightbomberwhatbomb799 sticky grenades are covenant weapons. If he used human weapons as he uses on average than grevious would take cover. But grevious trying to give witty banter with a cold stoned soldier would be silly as it gets akward for him.
Do "What if Master Chief was in the Star Wars Universe" Assuming he immediatly doesn't go ballistic and has no idea what's happening,(went through a portal or something) i wonder what he would do. Would he join the Empire? The Rebellion? I would love to see your take on it!
Jackson L. Austin he will probably join the empire because the covenant are aliens and the rebellion let aliens join them plus the empire has better technology
He probably wouldn't just go with them because of ant alien prejuduce and better tech though, but I wonder how him joining would look like, a 7ft giant in armor strolling in and setting down a recruitment slip? It would probably be more interesting.
Jackson L. Austin also if anyone from the rebellion see's him they will think he is an imperial special forces unit and fire at him making master cheif labelling all rebellion soldiers as enemys
I feel like you're heavily underestimating chief. It appears grievous still relies on his normal senses and his eyes are never shown to be protected. Chief has never shown reluctance to use dirty tactics to win fights, not to mention that bullets are much faster than the lazers in star wars not has grievous ever encountered a weapon that fires as fast as an ar. Chief knows his armors limitations so I highly doubt he'd go anywhere near the lightsabers, as he'd treat them more like energy swords. I can't see grievous win against the demon. Also just want to point out fighting styles differ tremendously, grievous twirls his lightsabers trying to be flashy while chief doesn't try doing anything flashy canonically. The flashiest thing he's ever done was jump onto the prophets chair and start pummeling him.
I think Grievous is so Flashy in his style to prevent jedi From concentrate and use the force, because he knows in this case he has no chance to deflect The attack, but the legends/2003 grieveus moves even fastet then the force as Seen in hin Introduktion in the 2003 series. I think he would cange His Style because against jedi its necessary to confuse an be flashy, against Chief this is Not The case, and he will very fast recognice that and Most likly adapt
I completely agree, but for different reasons. It's mentioned that Chief is able to SOMETIMES dodge bullets, and assuming Grievous is only slightly faster, I'm not sure he'd be up against the rapid-fire MA5B. However, ONE lightsaber strike would likely take out Chief, since lightsabers are (as mentioned) equitable to an Energy Sword which can cut through any Spartan in a single strike, energy shields or no. I think it boils down to stealth: whoever gets the first shot wins. And though Grievous is stealthy, Chief's training and tactics are far superior. Eck mentioned that Chief outstrips Grievous in tactics, and this situation is pitting skill against skill.
I think Chief has the strength advantage here, Fireteam Osiris was breaking through boulders like they weren't even there in the opening cutscene of H5, and Chief was beat Locke in H2H, although that was most likely through skill considering it looked like they were somewhat evenly matched in brawn. Plus, if the sidearm John has is the Halo 1 Magnum, then all bets are off.
Toa-Banshee Chief went against a Spartan-IV. He would have won anyways if his anger didn’t cloud his perception of who he’s really fighting. Spartan-IIs are much more stronger than Spartan-IVs. Spartan-IVs are volunteers and adults - they have other emotions besides killing the Covenant (post-war). Spartan-IIs have been trained to kill at all costs with no remorse or sympathy. They have no connections to other people in their lives other than the other Spartan-IIs (e.g. John’s [117] relation and brotherhood to Sam-034 in Fall Of Reach) EDIT: Spartan IIs were trained at the age of 6, otherwise childhood, to kill.
Now this is the perfect match up between two universes. You have both sides using the best mechanics and Cyborg technology of their Universe to fight each other. Granted Grievous does have his lightsabers but in reality lightsabers do nothing against bullets so it seems even though one weapon is far more powerful they are pretty evenly matched in that scale. Loved this video!
And when you watch the battle with Obi-Wan and Grievous on the landing platform it shows that even though his armor is complete it still has holes. That means that those bullets which is 60 rounds coming down range within about a 10 second period of time, that much molten lead going through the lightsaber regardless if he's stopping them or not is going to get him eventually. Plus his eyes are still organic so the molten metal could get in his eyes and that would definitely take him down a notch.
I would assume a lightsaber can boil/vaporize a bullet because their are bullets in star wars called slug throwers and if they could get past lightsabers then cis troops would have had them.
I think Chief would notice this automatically and he would immediately start to shoot at Grievous's face to make the molten metal getting his eyes. And also another thing Grievous is not a force sensitive and we honestly don't know if he calculates his deflection with the color of the Blaster bolt or if he's actually calculating the object flying through the air. Because if he needs actual color to be able to distinguish the Blaster bolt to deflected it could possibly mean that he can't see bullets flying through the air. If that question never gets answered then it still would be unknown but as it stands a lightsaber would actually hurt Grievous more than help him. And that would actually be the way to defeat him is with the melted bullets. But with legends, Chief wouldn't have time to make a plan because he would be dead. 1v 1 no previous intel would be in favor of grievous
I don't think he gave the assault rifle enough credit in the video blaster bolts are easy to deflect slugs? solid metal? not so much especially since the assault rifle fires carbon reinforced titanium that has a melting point just below diamond a lightsabers temperature ranges from 1800 to 20000 if those sabers fall at the lower end then because of the limits of thermal conduction chief could potentially deflect a light saber strike with his arm unshielded if it came down to it. also master chief deflected a tank shell with his fist i just put that there because it sounds cool...
Honestly though I would argue that anyone with a normal gun could kill general grievous because you can't block the metal bullets with a lightsaber. I'm pretty sure the mandalorians did that to stop normal Jedi.
@@doge_sevens yeah, it did. you cant block nor deflect bullets. the only thing grievous has going for him is his durasteel armour. Chief could take any non force user, as the force is literally his only weakness
The lightsabers are extremely hot so it doesn't parry or block them instead it instantly melts them, still though chiefs insane precision and his extremely quick movement of the hands to point the gun somewhere else would be so fast grievous would have a hard time noticing he changed his position let alone see the path of the bullets to block them, grievous is fucked 11/10
I have decided to move to my own thread "With 4 sabers and doing 20 swings per second equals 5 swings per saber. That is a single swing every .2 seconds. Chief have .02 reaction speed without cortana, armor and this was right after augmentation at age 14 so by now it's a lot shorter. Melee combat, chief may combat grievous just as good, if not better, as kenobi. Chief can react to ballistic and maybe even beam rifles. www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/a-functional-analysis-of-spartan-reflexes/972355ff-60e0-46a9-a834-db7518992bb3/posts That gives "some" insight of a spartan's reaction time. Let's decipher GG's armor, Ceramic armorplast: ("Armorplast was an advanced, light weight, ceramic version of the popular metal durasteel"). So a stronger version of durasteel but not stronger than titanium and if so, slightly stronger. Durasteel: (Durasteel was a type of metal alloy used for a variety of purposes, ranging from combat armor to buildings. More resistant than standard steel but weaker than the common alloys of titanium, durasteel was able to protect against kinetic damage) Duranium: (Duranium was a tough alloy used in military-grade plating. It was stronger than titanium but less resilient than impervium) "The ceramic armorplast plates protecting limbs and torso and face can stop a burst from a starfighter's laser cannon" (duranium is not present in limbs, torse, and face) Honestly cant explain how just durasteel/armorplast can protect against several 128-500 tw unless titanium in sw can protect more against this and Chief can tank the same and more against these starfighter's laser cannons. BTW durasteel have been made canon in halo verse from the book warfleet as orbital defensive platforms, as many of u may know, Cairo station from halo 2. Continuing, Chief's armor is made of titanium-A: (The outer shell of the Mjolnir armor is composed of a fairly thick titanium alloy. This plating covers the chest, arms, hip, legs, calves, feet and hands. This alloy is very resilient, can take significant punishment, and is nearly impervious to small arms fire. While enough shots from armor piercing rounds will breach the outer shell, the suit can take a few glancing blows from them without compromising the armor) We all know a MA5Broken rifle can take down chief in a number of shots after shield breaks and if Grevious limbs, torso, and face armor is only of an upgraded version of durasteel, which is weaker than titanium, we can now assume bullets in Halo can pierce through a majority of Star wars main durasteel armor after a number of shots, thus making their statement of impervious to ballistics false when they go against halo ballistics even though there is controversy of halo balistics. And if not impied, pierce through GG's limbs, torso, and face with a number of shots. This took a lot of going back and forth through a multitude of forums and wikis. This is through simple logic as we are given material hierarchy. Titanium is univerally accepted through many sci-fi so we have that to back up on. Unless stars wars in just complete fiction/fantasy (and titanium is a separate entity from IRL) compared to sci fi that is halo then we can go by this. .Depending on traction will depend on how much more time ill put into looking into lore
Even if the bullet's melted, if Grievous is spinning his lightsaber, wouldn't that apply force and effect to where the molten bullet shrapnel flies off to?
One significant problem is that you aren't accounting for the fact that Grievous can't block bullets. They're orders of magnitude faster than the blaster bolts, and Chief's supreme accuracy can certainly allow him to hit the heart or eyes of the general. We also don't even know if you can cut through shielded Mjolnir armor with a lightsaber, at least with a strike or two. Also, with Chief's run speed, how is Grievous supposed to close the distance?
Grievous is able to dodge force pushes in the heat of battle and he can strike 20 times a second going all out so i think he'd be able to close the distance quite easily.
@@arkhamasylum8972 that would classify as reaction speed, which is MUCH different than running speed. I.e you can react leagues faster than you can run.
@Kaiserland111 Bullets are nowhere near as fast as blaster-bolts: "It was true that it had been developed originally as a response to blasterfire and other projectile weapons, but over the centuries it had developed into much more. "Of all the seven forms," her Master had told her, "Form Three, with *its emphasis on anticipating and blocking lightspeed energy blasts,* requires the greatest connection to the Force. The road is long, but it is worth the journey, for a true master of Form Three is invincible." - Medstar 2: Jedi Healer Also, Chief is slow as fuck compared to Grevious - Grevious has cybernetic-legs that are designed to be far faster than heavy armored-humans.
I’m sorry but watching this, almost half the video is pure “general grievous this and that” but only drops a few minutes talking about the chief. He pulls all of this info about legends grievous that honestly sounds ridiculous even for Star Wars but it legends so that’s a thing but barely scratches at info about master chief. I’m not saying I entirely disagree with the outcome but a fair explanation for both sides should have been there and I don’t feel it was. And I’m sorry but as good as many of the legends books are, I think we can all agree that most of them are pretty far fetched when it comes to statistical information
I mean grievous has more lore to him than master chief does. What master chief is and what he can do is pretty well established. People dont know about grievous as much as cheif so he spent more time explaining him.
@@shsltrash820 there is tons of info in the halo novels. Eck sold chief short in many things. I think this match is 4/10 chief maybe including chiefs godlike luck 6/10. So average of 50% is more like it.
Does anyone else feel like Eckhart is always super biased towards the Star Wars universe? He always seems to do far more research into why they are great and never properly looks into their weakness' like he does for their opponents
@@hotsauce8780 While playing the games yes, outside the games in other official canon it's not remotely weak at all. The armor of warships and vehicles melt from just a few shots . Fully charged plasma pistol shots can actually kill a Spartan with full shields and armor if it's a direct hit.
Well generally speaking the EU just has more info as someone who ones a litteral star wars encyclopedia which is like six Webster's dictionarys and then some cuz its a multi set it's usually easier to research
I think in Legends Dooku gave Grievous Master Sifo Dyas's lightsaber as his first. I remember seeing a comic panel with it. Dooku makes some inciting comment about the honor of bestowing such a treasured item to a 'droid', and the good General immediately throws a tantrum and destroys a whole room full of magnaguards with it.
lol first of all what says said bullets can't be deflected? Secondly the ammo only travels so fast, and Grevious is MUCH faster than both Chief, and any of his ammo. he would never hit Grevious, especially at range. His only chance if he had one is up close and that is pretty much suicide.
zephiro l you can’t deflect bullets, if you block a bullet with a lightsaber it becomes melted metal moving at the same speed as the bullet. And with chief’s speed and accuracy as well as the aid of cortana he could easily hit grievous’ eyes and blind him, making the kill easy.
Like you said, Chief is basically a genius. A genius with a genius, even for an AI, companion. Cortona would analyze Grievous and detect his weak innards. Even a human, all be it a Jedi, was able to pull his chest apart before he could react. So Chief's best, and most likely course, would be to sprint tword Grievous and throw his weapon at him distracting him. Tackling him and shoving his sidearm in his chest and opening fire. This move would not at all be out of character for Chief and would throw off Grievous who would expect a rifleman to run.
To be fair, Obi-Wan had the force with him. And Star Wars humans are actually VERY strong. Commander Bacara (I think it was him) and his entire clone legion was able to beat an army of battle droids just by tearing them apart. Edit: Also, in what instance would Grievous just stand there while someone runs up at him? Canon Grievous, maybe, but Legends Grievous is a tactician, and he was able to keep himself from being sensed in the force from 6 Jedi. Grievous would most likely ambush Chief. Chief may be fast enough to move out of the way, but Grievous's legs are completely robotic. He'd just leap right at him and chop his head off.
Dr. Boring 100 km/hr say at 50 feet would be pretty fast sepcially if grevous is distracted an the avg human runs about 8 to 12 mph which can run 50 yards in 5 to 7 seconds chief can run 5to 7 times of an olympic athlete in full armour with cortanas help.
100 km or mph is still visible. eckharts mentioned that legends grevious could move fast enough at full speed that he couldnt even be seen. since people can still perceive nascar vehicle traveling at 200mph it must be faster.... we can all perceive a low flying jet even traveling over the sound barrier. so how fast do you think this guy can move at "full speed"? 2000, 3000, 5000mph?! were basically at dbz kinda instant transmission numbers at that point, but thats probably around what it would take to avoid complete detection from the average human eye. and eckharts made it clear he moved faster than even jedi could track. jedi, people who can see a few seconds into the future. now you dont have to just move faster than the eye can see; you have to move faster than the eye could possibly see in a multi-second period.
I don't really understand why Chief only ever gets an MA-5 and an M6 in VS. Why not a Spartan Laser, Sniper Rifle, Rocket Launcher, Shotgun, Battle Rifle, or anything else?
Mason scottfree what about an Energy Sword like Leon-011 or a Railgun like August-099? Or what about (REQs) SPNKr Prime, Jorge’s Chaingun, Nornfang, Oathsworn, Prophet’s Bane, Halo 2 Beam Rifle Delta, Void’s Tear (yeah I’m including that), Flamethrower (Not a REQ) Grinder, Pool Of Radiance, Arclight, The Answer, Typhon, or Tartarus’ Gavel if we’re looking at Legends continuity?
Grievous: so fast he can appear as if he's teleporting, durable enough to survive a point blank explosion that threatens a planet's durability, has the ability to fly thanks to a repulsor lift allowing him to wield 6 sabers at once, can avoid Force pushes, can nearly instantly adapt to Windu's style which he's never seen before, can effortlessly rip through Mandalorian armor barehanded, Took down entire companies (120 clones each) and Jedi Generals barehanded in the catacombs of Geonosis, leaving none to tell of his existence, gets tossed out a window before proceeding to get right back up and fucking stroll through Mother Talzin's Force Barrier before killing her. Sweet fucking christ this guy is broken.
Eckharts: “Master chief, a spartan that is not only from the best era of spartans ever, but may be the best spartan ever” Halo 2 Jackal Sniper: “Allow me to introduce myself”
Ok here's how I see it, Grievous has speed over Cheif, but Cheif has one thing Grievous doesn't, he's a one-man planetary defense system. Cheif can master ANY weapon near instantly, as well as adapt to any situation almost as quick. Yes Grievous can out speed Cheif, but he can't overpower Chief in Physical combat, at least not easily. Chief also has a multitude of weapons at his disposal. If Chief got ahold of a Droid blaster rifle or ANY kind of explosive he could easily take off one of Grievous' arms and steal away a lightsaber. Couple Cheif's adaptabilty with an extremely intelligent AI and cloaking Grievous would die to his own lightsaber. As we see in Halo Reach, Noble 6 and Emile both take SEVERAL Energy Sword wounds before they go down, they were Spartan 3's, not nearly as tough or durable as Spartan 2's. Chief could easily take a stab or 2 from the general. Plus if Chief has plasma grenades on him, which after Halo 3 he usually would considering the alliance between the Sangheli and UNSC, one sticky nade to Grievous' chest and it's bye-bye internal organs. Pretty uncivilized but an effective method nonetheless. Keep in mind this is only speaking in a 1v1 scenario, no outside help for either one aside from weapon pickups for Chief as that's what he's known for. Then there's the Spartan Laser, I'm pretty sure that if Chief got hold of an Endgame or Selene's Lance Spartan Laser, Grievous would go down real quick. It's all a matter of how the situation plays out.
megaman37456 one thing that everyone else forgets is chief is a master swords men. He took on a zealot because the zealot gave him a sword to fight while Linda blew up a ship. Wtf why doesn’t anyone remember
Honestly even if Chief were to be downed by Grievous, doesn't the Spartan I MK VI armor also contain a self-destruct equivalent to a nuke? Sure it's being a sore loser, but when has Grievous ever had honor to be repayed with? However I do think that ESPECIALLY with Halo 5's weaponry Cheif would wipe the floor with Grievous.
Nah bro, with Grievous's acrobatic skills he shows in the 2003 cartoon, he could probably perform a lightsaber cartwheel of death holding a lightsaber in every hand and foot, killing absolutely everything thay tries to stand in his way. XD
You see he forgot one thing one huge factor that will change the fight Plot shield chief is the main character in like 4 games hes meant to win while grievous is meant to lose
Master Chief against Grievous is a good matchup because grievous doesn’t use the force. I don’t think Chief could stand up against A force sensitive individual such as Vader
@@kgbcommitteeforstatesecuri3315 As much as i hate to say it, chief was getting his ass handed to him by the didact, only thing that saved him was cortana strangling him using the hardlight from the bridge he was on and cortana also uses that same hardlight to form a bubble around chief protecting him from the nuke he detonates. Vader, unless somehow chief can sneak up on him, would just ragdoll chief around sadly. If somehow chief did sneak up on vader, vader is toast as the MA5B has such a high fire rate on top of lightsabers not melting slugs he would be turned into swiss cheese.
I personally think that the Legends version of Grievous could possibly beat Chief. Because honestly Canon Grievous could be defeated by a 4 year old with a broomstick.
Technically Canon version is limited. How the hell do you show speed that's in the Quantum level? In Canon he was portrayed weaker but in lore he's cosmological. We go by lore.
The Legends books have a terrible habit of exaggerating the abilities of droids or artificial limbs beyond anything shown in the movies. If it were possible to make droids that moved that fast, then battle droids would slaughter non-droid combatants. If it's a suprise drop in arena fight with Chief having the weapons you listed, I think he would still win. He's a good enough marksman that he could probably shoot and destroy the lightsabers in grevious's hands, especially if Grevious aproaches like he did with Obi-Wan. Then while Grevious might have a speed advantage, we see Obi-Wan pry open Grevious's armor with his bare hands. So Grevious's armor might have great anti-blaster properties, but it's physical durability is shit. I think in hand to hand, Grevious wouldn't have the strength or toughness to damage Chief's armor before Chief ripped Grevious apart.
Yeah... I dislike how the books tend to make everything ridiculously overpowered compared to what's on film. Just doesn't make sense that the empire wouldn't use droid armies if they were capable of being that far above stormtroopers.
The exaggerated droid capabilities don't even matter. 20 strikes a second means each strike takes 50ms. Chief is stated as having 20ms or faster reaction time. Even cutting the strike time in half to account for the recovery after each strike, MCs reaction time is still faster than grievous can attack.
I know this was 3 years ago, but if 117 had a sniper, DMR/BR or the zoom capable pistol, he could quickly shoot out General's eyes, to render him blind, the clean up the rest after
Then again, Chief is using a ballistic assault rifle (whose shots can't be deflected by a lightsaber) with the targeting assistance of Cortana (and his own luck). No matter how quickly Grievous can close the distance, he will still be blinded/killed by rifle fire first.
Why does he bother talking about the weapons if he essentially just talks about hand to hand combat. Of course the guy with 4 lightsabers is gonna win there. This videos would probably be one of the best he has (one of many amazing ones) if it had been more middle ground. Also, if chief managed to dodge just a couple of strikes, he could just crush the cyborg with his hand, after all he regularly rips open tanks with his hands.
@@dr.vanilla9017 He reacts to and kills beings that are way faster than Spartans, can block Jedi's who can react to and have hypersonic speeds, and can react to blaster fire based on advanced computers in his brain. Essentially yes, he can, compared to regular humans.
Cortana has precognition, did you forget how fast she can calculate???? Also I think it’s unfair to take the most powerful form of grievous and not allow Spartan lasers Rocket launchers Shotgun And all the other weapons chief has
One thing that I should mention is that kinetic weapons are really affective against light sabers seeing ass it doesn’t deflect the bullet but creates shards of lead. And if he uses a shot gun than there’s no way that greves could deflect all the bullets
The master chief can use the sniper rifle and Magnum pistol to knock down the cyborg at a long distance. The master chief can easily smash the opponent’s armor in close combat.
I, unfortunately agree with this. However, I would still prefer Chief than Grievous in my army because Chief has a better tactical mind that Grievous...Plus, Chief has shielding and an AI, Grievous only has armor and speed. Edit: I did not expect this to get such a strong argument in its comment/reply section.
+BigThicc and +Factao An army of those droids doesn't sell grievous to me. And you can have 50 and I wouldn't care. Gun beats Melee weapon in most situations. Besides, I could just craft the Chief a katana or knife if I wanted. He would be my super soldier, I'd be more than willing to spend a million more bucks to cover a possible weakspot, especially if he has already expensive armor.
Skypeon Yes, of course guns beat melee weapon. Yes John is a super soldiers, but unfortunately, you cannot win a war with only one guy ( we must recognise that some marines had helped chief 😂). I don't think that John is strong enough to defend a planet alone ( noble 6 tried, you know what happened), but an army can. The master chief will be efficient to destroy a specific target, like a clanker factory, but it will be useless if there is no army to benefit of this. Yes John is strong, he will probably kill a hundred of thousand separatist droïd on a battle, but he is going to loose because he isn't an army ( yes ,he is an one man army, but you understand what I mean).
if you use science, lightsabers cant deflect metal bullets, it would melt them but they would still go through the saber except well ya, I saw this in a video somewhere doing the math, so I think chief has a better chance than you think Eckharts
Grievous wouldn't be able to deflect Chief's bullets, he'll have to rely on his body armour to tank the shots (never a good idea). The general would still be at an advantage, but it wouldn't be a one-sided 9/10 victory.
I think you are right for the most part, however I think the fact that Chief is using projectile weapons comes more into play than you may have accounted for. In the SW universe projectile weapons are very rare. The only two races I can think of off the top of my head that use them as much or even more than blaster weapons are the Trandoshans and the Verpine (though the Verpine only exist in legends now, unless Disney wisens up and makes Republic Commando canon again). Thus I think that Grevious would have little or perhaps even zero experience in fighting foes who use ballistic weapons, which would give Chief a big initial advantage since lightsabers can't deflect bullets. If chief could get some good shots through the gaps in Grevious's armor I think Chief would stand a much better chance. That being said Grevious isn't an idiot. It would not take him long at all to realize that his lightsabers can't protect him from his enemy's weapons and use his insane speed to keep Chief from getting a clear shot and then cover the distance between them when Chief would inevitably have to reload, which would be when he's at his most vulnerable. However if Chief could get his hands one one of Grevious's lightsabers I think it would shake things up a bit. While he would not of course have the same level of competence with lightsabers as Grevious, Chief is familiar with plasma based melee weapons in the form of the plasma sword, and is at least competent enough with one to use it against the Elite guards of the Prophets, who are all very well trained with such a weapon. That being said he definitely shouldn't (and I think wouldn't) rely on the lightsaber and would instead use it when he had to, doing his best to keep his distance and using his rifle and pistol. Ultimately I think it would go to Grevious more often than the Chief, but I think Chief would do better than you give him credit for, I'd personally say legends Grevious would win 6.5-7 out of 10 times. That being said I'm a total Chief fan boy and an definitely biased, so maybe that invalidates this entire rant :D
John Doe personally I think it's closer to 50/50, the whole fight depends on what those first 60 assault rifle round hit. Given grievous's eyes are unprotected I think the master chief has a very good chance of blinding grievous right off the bat which would let him easily take the fight
You forgot to add the addition of Cortana with chief, making his reaction times much much MUCH smaller than grievous. Source: Halo Fall of Reach (book)
Noah Rush Yes! Although, Church can’t hit crap, Tucker is pretty good with a sword but Grievous is better, and Caboose is just bad. So it would come down to the freelancers . . .
Yep it was. They simply used boombas or what those shiny blue balls are called and these pretty much short-circuited poor Grievous. Count Dooku had to quickly lure and capture Anakin Skywalker and they simply exchanged prisoners so nothing really happened. Stupid epizode indeed.
Fravel Flav eeeh canon grevious cant even flank a padwan and all he's doing is trying to fight, losing and escape like a wussy.. but in legends he dosnt give a single fuck he used all his tatics and used what he learn from count dooku hell grevious is still training to be the strongest and killed 2 jedis and one padwan with one stomp and injured 3 jedi master without a sweat! and hell again thats not even his full power and successfully capture the senate.. if the show dosnt follow the plot of epsiode 3.. but i think grevious has a fast reaction.. or somthing idk i may be wrong but he couldve doge that force pull and maybe kill mace windu... idk i may be wrong... but compare to canon grevious he wouldve died or litery injured by jedi knights
Fravel Flav sorry for off topic but eeeh canon legends probably u can combine or ur opinion canon is a best fit for VS battle and ur right actually it doest fit but we arent talking about powers but we are talking about the characters ability or the character it self... but yea its ur opinion
Raving Rando your welcome actually i study canon grevious and legends grevious and see whats the difference of them.. i already know canon grevious cant do shit to masterchief but legends has no hard time beating him i mean like to legend grevious it feels like a villian of the day type of thing
Its straight up stated in star wars legends that during the mandalorian/jedi war the mandalorians used projectile weapons because when a jedi blocked the bullet it would send hot shrapnel directly into their face.
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+billy mott Tyranids leave everything lifeless
coming up on infra-red but star wars has some nonsense.
EckhartsLadder nothing against you I love your video as always its excellent but mace would struggle against grevious as he uses the lightsaber form 7 juyo or more accurately vapaad which relies on using a person's darkside (force) against them as grevious is a machine mace would not be able to do this and as vapaad is a purely aggressive form he lacks defence to the same level as obi wan
+EckhartsLadder
Here's what you should do, EckhartsLadder.
*1. Imperial II Star Destroyer (Star Wars) vs Lucrehulk-class Droid Control Ship (Star Wars)*
*2. Imperial II Star Destroyer (Star Wars) vs Romulan D'deridex-class, B-type Warbird (Star Trek)*
*3. Tempest Shadow (My Little Pony: The Movie) vs Darth Vader (Star Wars)*
*4. Darth Sidious/Palpatine (Star Wars) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon)*
Please do these ones.
I'm still kinda pissed they acted like Locke could take Chief
jcf150 _ he doesn't but MC's mind was on cortana, not on the fight against locke. also obviously locke had the armor lock thingy lol
jcf150 _ we are all 😡 at 343
Nobody can take Chief
heavenknight18 true my friend
heavenknight18 The Didact disagrees with you
excerpt: "He doesn't breathe"
*dead silence punctuated only by Grievous' hacking cough*
Really. Even before Eck gets to the feats prescribed to the character I'm sitting there wondering how reliable the novelization is as a source when it omits one of his most distinctive mannerisms. With most of, if not all of the General's feats being taken from that one source it really hurts the assessment Eck lays down. Now Chief on the other hand, a lot of his feats from the novels have been echoed elsewhere.
But here's the problem... If he has any route to his lungs He couldn't survive vacuum like he does in RotS. Possibly, he just coughs... Just cause.
@Matthew O'Rosco It's actually show in the Clone Wars Cartoon. When Grievous was escaping with Palpatine, Mace Windu used the force and crushed Grievous' chest. After this Grievous develops the coughing fits. Here is a link to the video.
ruclips.net/video/M0gnwyYRHu8/видео.html
@@Dawleyllama That's literally what he said, "when they found out at the last minute they shoe horned in Mace windu crushing him in the final episode."
@@plzletmebefrank he would only need a very small amount of oxygen to survive for a long time because he only has a couple of the essential organs so he would be able to hold his breath for a very long time since he has no muscles that need oxygen to operate
"Can take a Wraith shot"
Would've been nice when going up against every Wraith I encounter.
SpiralFox FX literally...
Easy mode
Gameplay balancing at its finest
SpiralFox FX all the shit they say in books and stuff are never true in the games lmao
@@Tywild327 well, it wouldnt be fun if you cant die, its a game, whats the point if it isnt fun lmap
Chief: Finally, a worthy opponent!
Griveous: Indee--
Chief: Not you **points to 2003 Grievous** _Him_
This would be a fun death battle
LOL
Can....you explain the difference between the two Grevouses?
@@caseyhall2320 here I got you.
General Grevious in canon is a push over and a pansy. In George Lucas's own words "he is more of a 'mwahaha' twirls his mustache and barely gets away kind of villain." Canon Grevious can not even beat padawans and is rarely if ever shown to be a competent fighter or person. He has a terrible win loss ratio and most of the time the only way he wins is with utter bs or by not fighting himself in the first place. His body is fragile, getting broken often, and he is a complete idiot with a lack of any sense of strategic value.
General Grevious in Legends (like how he is in 2003) is a nigh unstoppable murdering machine. He is a genuis assassin who killed dozens to hundreds of jedi with their clone companies on his own. He is a strategic genius as well, having fairly earned the rank of general after proving himself to be a tactical genius who managed to turn the tide of the war so hard in favor of the Confederacy that he almost won a war that he was never supposed to be able to win. His armor was almost unbreakable, taking blaster shots from star ships and even grabbing lightsaber blades with his bare hands at one point. He has moved so quickly and so silently on multiple occasions to where to others it appeared as though he teleported. He is confident in his abilities but not cocky, he never underestimates his opponents and has a near 100% accuracy rating when it comes to judging how powerful a foe might be. There was even a time he kept up with, and pushed back, mace winder in combat even though the general was heavily weighed down by magnets. He was also a powerful warrior who lived for combat nearly his entire life before becoming a cyborg. During training sessions, Count Dooku even found it difficult to win the duels, often having to pull out secret techniques to end the battle quickly. There was even one point where the general spun his lightsabers so quickly and in such a way he created a bubble of pulsing light around him.
The only thing both General Grevious have in common is the fact they are easily annoyed by droids, just for vary different reasons.
doom slayer:
General Grievous, i've come to bargain. (dead)
General Grievous, i've come to bargain.. (dead)
General Grievous, i've come to bargain! (dead)
General Grievous, i've co- (dead)
General- (dead)
ok this is BS- (dead)
General Grievous- ok stop or i'll annihilate you!!! (dead)
i'm so gonna kill yo- (dead)
would you stop!!! (dead)
ok this is enough (takes out BFG 9000)
(kicks the remains of Grievous for 20 minutes straight)
First impressions:
Grievous: A big human in advanced armor, but why is he carrying a slugthrower?
Master Chief: It looks like a Sanghelli cyborg with four arms. WTF?
I would also like them in MK. My friend always said how there is no Star Wars character in MK and that made me feel sad. He wasn't really into SW but I was and even he knew that something was missing
Um you mixed those up
@@owenobrien1351 They compare what they see to previously encountered opponents.
Grevious : Damn Republic really pimped up the clone armor huh
General Grievous: "Ha ha, no one can defeat me" Halo2 Jackal Sniper: "Hello there"
Char b312 god if that isn’t true
me: *sees a alley way full of sniper jackals*
My friend:"what is it? more brutes?"
me: "worse...."
AnD YaP YaP
@@emmadixon9134 uhh what?
Flametastic1456 yap yap the destroyer
4:10 "Jedi are able to stop and deflect blaster bolts" Shows clip of Jedi failing to stop and deflect blaster bolts.
He was too worried about the droid attack on the wookiw
They cant stop bullets
@@thisisntfine6729 yes they can. Bullets exist in star wars but they are called slug throwers. Jedi have trouble blocking them as the saber will melt the metal and send it flying into the Jedi but armored Jedi or those with strong force powers and strong bodies can power through it.
Previously, however, can tank hits from starfighters, missile launchers, force attacks and one attack that tore apart his army or b2 battle droids (which are known to be tough among anyone but force users.)
However grevious simply walked through all of it.
The Jedi shown in the clip was caught off guard and fired upon from a large force that knew how he fought.
Besides Jedi can react to bullets, lasers, missiles, etc.
He, in fact, fought 2 council members along with 3 other Jedi and beat them with such ease he didn't have to deploy his extra arms.
The only time he did was either when he was on a schedule and didn't want to waste time or when he faced a real challenge.
Grevious could easily stand there and wait for chief to run out of ammo before slicing him to bits.
wafflegamer 251 and use a force shield to block ur grenade,use the force to explode the grenade before u can even trow it,and finally if manage to throw a grenade,use the force to return it before it even touch the ground.finally use the force to absorb(lol I know grevios never use the force).greivos armor is to THICC.
The thing about blasters though and it's roughly like playing baseball they don't move much faster than a baseball does as far as I know I could be wrong but if we're judging based off of a visual representation you don't need precognition to block them you can see him coming a mile away there Bright and glowy and they move really slow relatively speaking
Grievous: *Tries to fight Master Chief*
Chief: *Laughs in cursed Halo blunderbuss*
GENERAL GREVIOUS IS BLASTING OFF AGAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIINNNNNN!!!!!
2003 Greivous laughs in super leaps and using lightsabers with his feat. XD
What about the supercharged plasma pistol
@@nitomosquito3164 I think chief wants to destroy grievous, not the planet they're fighting on.
@@kroppertites8135 Holy shit!!
"Cannot laugh" literally laughs in the movie
"Cannot breathe" guess he just loves the sound of himself coughing...
that's why it's legends grievous, not canon grievous
Did you even watch the video lol
We see grievous casually walk in space many times. The cough is probably something he requested as if you lay really close attention GREVIOUS DOESNT HAVE A MOUTH.
The laugh is the sound of a laugh. Grevious himself isn't laughing
@@benjaminchen4367 legends grievous actually coughed, after Mace crushed his chest, right before the start of episode III
@@KomandarmKnuckles true
Here's how I see the battle happening:
Master Chief: _"..."_
General Grievous: _"Hello there."_
General grievous
General Grievous: "I have killed many Jedi, but i had never thought i would get to gain a trophy from another world"
"Halo there" comon man haha
Divya Ashish I think he’d be far more likely to simply fire on site. Master chief’s not nearly as theatrical as General Grievous.
Divya Ashish *grievous activates all his lightsabers*
Master chief:”seems like a knock-off of the elites sword”
Master chief for the win for one reason only
The Halo 1 pistol
Edit: to the person who missed the joke, just stop
No
Halo 2 JACKAL SNIPER
Grievous' armor can withstand way more than a pathetic projectile from a pistol. Chief is nothing compared to the mighty General
We are referencing the fact that in Halo Combat Evolved the pistol was incredibly overpowered.
@@yuvrajshah1158 yes I'm well aware of how powerful it is.
@Kole North his armor can take blasts from starfighters. You do realize how pathetic a projectile pistol is correct?
there is a reason why the ELITES called him "Demon"
probably the same reason they call all the other spartans demon too, they look similar to them but they are always faceless and emotionless killing machines
@@facepalm7345 and they are unkillable killing machines
@@steeldragon5730 *laughs in reach*
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 a spartan can only be in 1 place at a time
He’s more than a demon he’s a devil
Master Chief: *"Hello There."*
General Grievous: *"Master Chief."*
Colonelo I. wan I hey that’s my line
Chief:how about Rae work tiggers
Obi wan your lack of more weapons
Scares me
Colonel Frontline lmaooo
Halo there
Excuse me, you got Grievous's line correct, but Chief would simply say "boo"
Master chief *pulls out 2 energy seords*
It is also possible that Grievous was disadvantaged in Revenge of the Sith. In Clone Wars (2003) Grievous suffers a major chest injury from Mace, using the force to partially crush Grievous' rib cage. The injury takes place right immediately before the Battle of Coruscant. This if I remember correctly is the reason he had his cough.
Still headcannon to me as well.
Mace Windu uses Force Crush towards General Grievous
@@williemherbert1456 ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE!
Grevious was badly injured in that. The only reason I could give it the Master Chief i because he's master chief and willing to kill himself to win (multiple times).
Yeah, I thought this was confirmed officially?
Indestructible arms
*Gets two cut off in the first minute of the fight*
Lightsabers kinda override metal durability
@ALSO-RAN ! Perhaps. But considering that legends confirms the armor can take shots from starships, I don't think an assault rifle will be too helpful
Obi one actually hit one of the few weakspots near his joint, if he had struck anywhere else it wouldve bounced off.
Brian Wallace starships are laser based weapons. Lasers are light based. Projectile weapons use physical projectiles. Not only are they way way faster moving, they bring in physical force on impact. And if chief has a plasma weapon, it’ll short circuit grevious whole system and burn his remaining protected organs
Hatsune miku 01 Noob combo for the win
But you FORGOT one thing.
MASTERCHIEF likes to surprise his foes.
I still remember halo 2 BOO! 😂
Master Chief true 😂😂😂
Master Chief blowing grevious ship up with his own bomb just like in Halo 2
Halo there
2003 Grievous liked to make surprises too
They have more in common than we thought lads XD
That is the equivilant to General Kenobi saying hello there.
Legends GG wins no contest.
Canon GG somehow kills himself before the fight begins...
With a plasma grenade? I've seen innumerable Ungoy take themselves out that way.
Raving Rando XD
Yes, but GG's also canonically cocky, while MC has luck on his side.
Well, after all, Han DID shoot first... But hey, it's canon in the Halo universe. Besides being badass, MC is just lucky.
I would agree with you but there is one problem
You will make Chief kill himself with your puns Yang
Grievous doesn't breath
*SMOKERS COUGH INTENSIFIES*
Oh well, at least Master Chief STILL has the most badass voice.
The Master Chief has perfect luck.
Jaeger_Bishop I've never heard him talk
dude have you played halo 3 halo reach with fireifght voice 4 or 5? but i can understand why you didnt play 4 or 5 theyre ASS
hopetown 27 0_0 look on online like one of his quotes
"I need a weapon" or "Tell that to the Covenant"
How have you never heard him talk? He speaks in every single game that he's in.
7:46 lol he killed a marine just to get a pic of the assault rifle
...or out of sheer malice
No that's when the marines all died to the flood when you see Jenkins helmet cam silly did you not memorise everything in every halo game or something?
grievous would add cortana to his collection
Touringcarton42 Cortana would destroy grevious.
for sure he would
It's here or there
another fine adition to his collection
Grevious is literally a Droid with a cybernetic brain and Cortana Is probably far more advanced than any ai in star wars she would rip his mind apart
Halo scorpion tank vs the republic AT-TE
Kingx Kai117 issue is the scorpion is mainly anti infantry with an anti infantry turret and a light cannon maybe the grizzly would be a better fight as that is meant to be anti vehicle.
Bobsbestfriend sorry I'm confused but how is the unsc MBT solely a anti infantry vehicle??? That doesn't make a lot of sense unless your going off of lore references then I think your wildly mistaken
Kingx Kai117 The BaneBlade Tank from WH40k could stomp boi without an issue
One shot to the glass canopy and its over.
Well no shit, you'd have to compare that to the Juggernaut or Mammoth for it to be fair.
You can't underestimate Chief's calculated luck. It truly makes him more likely to win ANY battle when it's considered.
Chiefs luck is not factored into arguments because its not a valid point. Thats his gimmick but its not something can be used to instantly win.
Look at Saitama
His gimmick is he can one shot anyone. Chiefs gimmick is that he's lucky.
So Saitama would win because he one shots Chief, but Chief wins because he's super lucky right? Yeah, not how it works.
@@bluekunt good point actually. I’d really wanna see a covenant scarab battle vs a empire Walker or maybe the first orders Walkers.
@@crusader7eth163 AT-AT's are highly shielded and armored and while they put out starfighter grade firepower, i dont know how long it'll last against a focused beam of plasma on it.
An AT-M6 though will bombard if before it even gets in range.
He also forgot that if he had two. All Spartan armor weight like 1ton.
I don’t think luck counts, but I suppose it could be translated over to Star Wars as Chief being favored by the force? Not force sensitive, but someone the force sorta favors.
Cheif: Literally scares an entire heavily advanced army.
Grievous: A general with gamer eyes, four hands and mostly exposed organs
And survived the major part of the Clone Wars
When the separatists are losing in ep 3 killing Grievous is literally their win condition. Jedi don't fear him because they are idiots, watch lair of Grievous clone wars ep and you will see how scared the Clones are of him.
Also those exposed organs take 3 blaster shots point blank before he dies.
Bro dont try to downplay Grievous like he isnt a trained jedi killer that moves faster than light lmao
Downplaying Greivous go brrrr
@@thataberranthalo8032 lmao fr
i'll be honest, i hate the novelized versions of both characters
writers are quick to throw around measurements like "20ms" without any understanding of what that would mean/look like.
preach
20m/s is roughly 70kph. F=MA would seriously mess up any limb reaching that speed relative to the body.
@@joshuahadams It would, if you weren't using augmentation and the Mjolnir power armor.
The suit isn't just something he puts on, it's linked to his brain and neural system. What he thinks and reacts to the suit does automatically, the suit kills anyone who isn't a spartan 2. They tested it with normal marines in one book and it crushed all of his bones because of those sudden movements.
You have to remember Chief isn't just a normal man but has insanely dangerous augments that killed a fuck ton of other candidates in the Spartan 2 program, he was also one of if not the best Spartans in that program. They can run on average 70 KMPH, and yes have the reaction times as fast as 20ms because of what I said earlier.
They are also more accurate with their weapons because the suit links to their brain and their optics, add an AI like cortana and it becomes even better.
@@HurtboxTV "They can run on average 70 KMPH"
lmao, no.
We've all played the games, we've seen the cutscenes, we all know this is bullshit.
I couldn't give less of a shit what some writer _thinks_ would be 'cool' on the written page.
And on the topic of grievous, _his_ movement is described as "an imitation quantum-event"
that's a yikes from me my dude.
Halo/Star Wars honestly don't even get the worst of this type of stuff. (though it _is_ frankly horrible here too)
the worst I've seen so far tend to come from comic books where writers accidentally have characters going multiple times the speed of light because they don't know the terms they're using. And I'm not talking about Superman, I'm talking Tony Stark and co.
@@nonya_bidness The novels, which _are_ canon, state that he ran at a speed of 60kph. It's a canonical feat, regardless of what you think is "cool" or not.
And the games are known to break away from established canon for sake of gameplay. Which is why you're marine buddies don't get their chests blown out by a single plasma bolt, or why you don't get completely vaporized by errant Wraith shots.
I think Chief is one of the few non-force-sensitive humans out there who actually could and would be able to topple Grievous for one very simple reason. Dooku taught and trained the general that: "-you must have fear, surprise, and intimidation on your side. But if any one element is lacking, it would be best for you to retreat." But against Sierra-117 he would be lucky to even secure one of these advantages.
Darth Vanquish agreed skip this was probably run after multiple accurate shots to vital points besides precognition Grievous nah man Master Chief got upgraded by the librarian remember he can do more stuff we just haven't seen it yet
It was specifically stated that Grevious would need those three elements to take on the finest that the Jedi Order could throw at him. I don't think that MC could take on Obi-Wan, and I doubt he would be able to do much against Grevious.
Speaking canonically, John-117 fears nothing, is surprised by nothing, and dosn't cowl to intimidation, either by higher ranking officers or the deadliest of adversaries. Besides this, a well aimed "sticky" (plasma grenade) can take out anybody, and Grievous gets easily distracted when he thinks he's got the upper hand. Even the laughably inaccurate M16 assault rifle (I'd take a plasma pistol and DMR any day) can fire far faster than any blaster, and will pepper Grievous with such spread that he'd be unable to "catch" much of anything. His armour being depleted, Chief would then "pop" Grievous in the head with his Magnum, resulting in a shower of confetti to the sound of ecstatic gungan children.
Chief would probably loose to Obi-wan, but I don't see them having any need to fight one another, other than a simple competition duel to gauge one another's abilities and learn from the other's fighting styles. Although if they kept it to strictly lightsaber vs energy sword, that could be interesting.
Darth Vanquish what you need to understand is that in the Star Wars Galaxy shit gets all fucked up the moment Master Chief appearance in the Star Wars Galaxies there will be a disturbance in the force One powerful enough for both Sith and Jedi to feel it what you need to understand this Master Chief's massive amount of luck could actually be in the force when brought to the Star Wars universe his natural abilities as a child shows this as much for the machine part nothing was taken out of Master Chief just added on metal was grafted two stones to make him stronger a perfect Target for both Sith and Jedi and an already trained and lethal Warrior now able to tap into the force because of his presence in the Star Wars universe although unknowingly one would simply need to train them how to wield the blade and wield his abilities with the force as good as Master Chief is I see him siding with the Sith but for his goal of protecting Humanity mainly because of his distrust of aliens dude this would be an awesome fanfiction
BlackEpyon Grievous has superior speed to most sentient beings but I'm assuming Chief is using UNSC weapons. Grievous has dodged bullets easily in legends and Vader has in cannon. I think Grievous is meant to be faster than Vader, even in cannon.
I legit thought this said general grievous versus master chef, and I was like " Why in the heck am I getting a notification about general grievous on a cooking show?"
Sir Snail ok but for real that would be pretty neat
That moment when your brain stops for a sec lmao
This is no joke the funniest thing i heard today
I think Chief has another edge that's overlooked a lot. During the Mandalorian war with the old republic the Mandalorians were able to find a fatal in the lightsaber in that while it could deflect blaster bolts it couldn't deflect ballistic munitions (slug throwers) and they'd pass straight through and shred a Jedi at range. If Chief could get off a shot, rounds might slip between gaps in Grievous's armor.
Yeah grievous’ speed is in leaping motions as well as his “quantum” blade spinning, but I think cheif could definitely “headshot” him and blind him easily… really don’t know how eck didn’t think of this
@@DrBusiness9 You kinda answered your own question.
the sheer speed that Grievous moves means that unless he's standing still, even Chief's reaction time and reflexes would not get an aimed shot at the general. Spray and pray is the only real option.
WAIT!
One: light sabres cant fully stop metal based ammunition which is what chief would be using.
Two: durosteel is also susceptible to metal rounds and i think the gun or pistol chief would be using hold armour piercing rounds as well.
How i see it the General starts out by sprinting at Chief pulling out his sabers, meanwhile Chief stars walking backwards pulling out his pistol and empties the clip aimed at the General's head. He manages to avoid a few rounds but either one cracks his skull, or once he is within a few dozen feet Chief takes out his rifle and unloads into him filling him full of lead.
The General could try zig-zagging or jumping over or into cover, but even though the General has a lifetime's experience sword fighting, the Chief has a lifetime's experience shooting. No matter what he does he will be taking hits the whole time, either he takes too much damage and is disabled, or he is outright killed. The only way i could see him winning is if he can close the ground
Syd R sounds like a boss fight to me. If chief doesn’t come up with a good tactic he could lose. Luckily it’s almost never the case. I agree with you.
Syd R oh also most of the guns the UNSC uses are amor piercing, they even have “shredder rounds” which are stronger than armor piercing if I’m not mistaken
Also bullets are way faster than blaster rounds
Space. Gangsta117 highly debatable
I’d like to mention grievous was actually a marksmen. Before he became a cybord grievous was the greatest markmens in Star Wars lore, also carrying a blaster on him. If need be he isn’t unfamiliar at fighting at range. I also find it a bit hard to believe chief could track him well enough to land consistent shots on him. As even Jedi can barley track grievous when he’s moving at full speed.
i still laugh at that fight between chief and locke. locke's fighting his heart out and chief is honestly just toying with him considering he could punch straight through his chest
Clearly wasn't toying if he got his visor broken
@@pooroldman5089 with the actual strength/power differences between spartan 2 and later gens, absolutely just toying with him. It's not an exaggeration that he could punch clean through locke armor and all.
@@pooroldman5089 I think that was more just to make the story more edgy
I think you doubt the damage that Chief could do with that rifle.
His aim is effectively perfect, and i don't think Grievous is able to see individual bullets. He wouldn't be able to deflect them (even if he could see them) and if he hits them before they hit him then he's only going to superheat each shot before he's hit.
I also don't see Grievous getting out of the way of Chief shooting at him. Chief is, effectively, a perfect shot. - and Grievous' chest is quite open.
Assuming Chief or cortana spot the rather obvious weakness, i think the General is doomed.
I agree that if Grievous gets close then Chief is basically done. I think he'd probably be stronger and his reactions at least close enough to fight back if Grievous was only using two arms - but even then, having range in a melee is extremely effective, so only having a knife or his fists isn't going to cut it. And of course, Grievous isn't going to settle using just two of his arms.
I think Chief takes it maybe 7/10. Perhaps Grievous finds a way to protect his vulnerable organs and get close.
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George Holland or even better. if chief had a shotgun, its basically over for grievous in at most, 8 shots
As much as I want chief to win grievous would demolish him with his absurd speed and damage output as well master chief is not nearly as durable
@@hazart8909 I have to disagree though Spartans in lore have more abilitys that would make Grevious jealous Spartan time, OP Strength, Perfect shot placement, Running up to 60mph, jumping 30+ feet, and that's just the Spartan 2 abilitys Chieg has the best AI to ever exist plus his suit is legit better than most star ships... Chief wins 8/10 times once Cortana finds out a week point its over
@@QuickScope771 I think chief could identify the weak points of his exposed eyes and visible lungs without Cortana fairly easily.
Chief would just shoot at his unprotected eyes/organs...with insane accuracy and speed
Eeeh, more like the General would get molten slag in his eyes, but yeah more or less.
Lightsabers vaporize metal
@@US_of_A Oh, neato. So hot gas then. That's way better.
Besides he did survive a ship exploding in his face
Neither Chief nor Grievous have pre-cognition. Bullets travel a lot faster than plasma bolts. Chief could definitely target different vulnerable parts of Grievous with what is essentially a 7.62x51mm rifle and a 60rd magazine and hit SOMETHING vital.
Especially the wrists. If Chief can land a couple shots on Grievous’s wrists and disarm him, the fight is over at that point but Chief will outmaniever Grievous, get a light saber, and win easily.
Who would win in a fight,
A highly trained and powerful super soldier who has killed hundreds of covenant soldiers,
One robo boi
TheManOfTheMemes try thousands
I, General Grievous, the Knight-Slayer, the pique of physical ability, who has slain hundreds of Jedi *for sport*, or some guy who can hardly even walk if you just destroy one chip in his armour.
Right arm of the Covenant
Only with plot armor lol
General Grievous does not even compare to the master cheif, cheif would win 10/10.
MrMcp1995 a Necron lord says hi
I asked for the first death star battle, my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
It's coming
thanks eck!!! that revenge of the sith novelization is absolutely fantastic, i have read it several times
the first death star battle is also so interesting
Depressed for life
Also voted for that. Never liked Halo so I was really sad to see this video today.
i never thought id see a report of the week reference in a star wars comment section
9/10? "Then it is an even fight."
I agree
“Grevious has a super fast reaction time”
Also Grevious: lest obiwan tear open his chest plate to expose his vital organs
i feel that you forgot the fact that Spartans are able to go into spartan time which slows the world around him up to 3X so he has even more reaction time
Ugh! That H5 fighting scene between John and Locke hurts my eyes! 🙈
Halo 5 is not cannon in my eyes.
it was like watching a drunken bar brawl, not two augmented super soldiers...
Go back, watch it at 1.25-1.5x speed and it seems at least like a fight
The real question is who has better people skills.
Hint General Greivous
Pro Gaming i agree. If my enemy took my lightsaber and added to his collection id feel quite honoured. Thats a good feeling to have before being impaled by electrostaffs
It might just be grievous he had to actually talk to people
Pro Gaming only one of the can remove their mask for a cough drop though ;)
Pro Gaming That is the most 1 sided and simply incorrect statement I've seen in a while.
Pro Gaming WOOOOOOOOOOOHH!!! roasted! Im sure even Cortana agrees
If chief throws a plasma grenade general grivus is already dead lol
Mega moist Man they have grenades in Star Wars too
Jedis don't carry grenades tho.
a gravity hammer would have worked too
@@puttputt524 Do they have sticky Nades?
He survived Padmea's ship blowing up in his face
There's one problem though SPARTANS NEVER DIE
*Laughs in Halo Reach*
@@ImperatorTrajun they're all just MIA
@@ImperatorTrajun well not cat, she dead..
Ah yes you all bought into that ONI propaganda
Yet, they did
Grievous: "Ha! Your puny recoil weapons are no match for-"
Master Chief quick draws a Needler and empties it, all needles home in on Grevious' exposed eyes.
End Scene.
Sticky grenade
@@doofus9240 Yep, exactly that too.
@@evilmidnightbomberwhatbomb799 sticky grenades are covenant weapons. If he used human weapons as he uses on average than grevious would take cover. But grevious trying to give witty banter with a cold stoned soldier would be silly as it gets akward for him.
You could literally use a flamethrower to kill grievous. He doesn't have the force so he can't deflect it
I think you forgot that lightsabers are in this battle. “20 strikes at his opponent per second”
Do "What if Master Chief was in the Star Wars Universe"
Assuming he immediatly doesn't go ballistic and has no idea what's happening,(went through a portal or something) i wonder what he would do. Would he join the Empire? The Rebellion? I would love to see your take on it!
Jackson L. Austin he will probably join the empire because the covenant are aliens and the rebellion let aliens join them plus the empire has better technology
He probably wouldn't just go with them because of ant alien prejuduce and better tech though, but I wonder how him joining would look like, a 7ft giant in armor strolling in and setting down a recruitment slip? It would probably be more interesting.
He would go on a rampage killing everything that resembles covenant
Jackson L. Austin also if anyone from the rebellion see's him they will think he is an imperial special forces unit and fire at him making master cheif labelling all rebellion soldiers as enemys
there isn't really anything resembling covenant though
I feel like you're heavily underestimating chief. It appears grievous still relies on his normal senses and his eyes are never shown to be protected. Chief has never shown reluctance to use dirty tactics to win fights, not to mention that bullets are much faster than the lazers in star wars not has grievous ever encountered a weapon that fires as fast as an ar. Chief knows his armors limitations so I highly doubt he'd go anywhere near the lightsabers, as he'd treat them more like energy swords. I can't see grievous win against the demon. Also just want to point out fighting styles differ tremendously, grievous twirls his lightsabers trying to be flashy while chief doesn't try doing anything flashy canonically. The flashiest thing he's ever done was jump onto the prophets chair and start pummeling him.
I think Grievous is so Flashy in his style to prevent jedi From concentrate and use the force, because he knows in this case he has no chance to deflect The attack, but the legends/2003 grieveus moves even fastet then the force as Seen in hin Introduktion in the 2003 series. I think he would cange His Style because against jedi its necessary to confuse an be flashy, against Chief this is Not The case, and he will very fast recognice that and Most likly adapt
@@mymax1267 I had a stroke trying to read your garbage
Not only fast. IF you were to 'block' a normal bullet, the melted parts of it would hit you with enough force to kill you.
I completely agree, but for different reasons. It's mentioned that Chief is able to SOMETIMES dodge bullets, and assuming Grievous is only slightly faster, I'm not sure he'd be up against the rapid-fire MA5B. However, ONE lightsaber strike would likely take out Chief, since lightsabers are (as mentioned) equitable to an Energy Sword which can cut through any Spartan in a single strike, energy shields or no. I think it boils down to stealth: whoever gets the first shot wins. And though Grievous is stealthy, Chief's training and tactics are far superior. Eck mentioned that Chief outstrips Grievous in tactics, and this situation is pitting skill against skill.
Blasters shots move at lightspeed, to say they are slower is crazy
I think Chief has the strength advantage here, Fireteam Osiris was breaking through boulders like they weren't even there in the opening cutscene of H5, and Chief was beat Locke in H2H, although that was most likely through skill considering it looked like they were somewhat evenly matched in brawn.
Plus, if the sidearm John has is the Halo 1 Magnum, then all bets are off.
Toa-Banshee Chief went against a Spartan-IV. He would have won anyways if his anger didn’t cloud his perception of who he’s really fighting.
Spartan-IIs are much more stronger than Spartan-IVs.
Spartan-IVs are volunteers and adults - they have other emotions besides killing the Covenant (post-war). Spartan-IIs have been trained to kill at all costs with no remorse or sympathy. They have no connections to other people in their lives other than the other Spartan-IIs (e.g. John’s [117] relation and brotherhood to Sam-034 in Fall Of Reach)
EDIT: Spartan IIs were trained at the age of 6, otherwise childhood, to kill.
Toa-Banshee Halo ce pistol just destroys everything, it was so damn broken.
Well, he gave Chief the Halo 1 AR, so I'd assume Chief would get the Halo 1 Hand Sniper as well
+Sickage [GD], you forgot that spartan 2's had their bones coated in titanium.
Thyre Radim actually, it was a type of ceramic, not titanium
Now this is the perfect match up between two universes. You have both sides using the best mechanics and Cyborg technology of their Universe to fight each other. Granted Grievous does have his lightsabers but in reality lightsabers do nothing against bullets so it seems even though one weapon is far more powerful they are pretty evenly matched in that scale. Loved this video!
Toggle Fire light sabers melt bullets upon impact
They're still in flight will full velocity, though.
And when you watch the battle with Obi-Wan and Grievous on the landing platform it shows that even though his armor is complete it still has holes. That means that those bullets which is 60 rounds coming down range within about a 10 second period of time, that much molten lead going through the lightsaber regardless if he's stopping them or not is going to get him eventually. Plus his eyes are still organic so the molten metal could get in his eyes and that would definitely take him down a notch.
I would assume a lightsaber can boil/vaporize a bullet because their are bullets in star wars called slug throwers and if they could get past lightsabers then cis troops would have had them.
I think Chief would notice this automatically and he would immediately start to shoot at Grievous's face to make the molten metal getting his eyes. And also another thing Grievous is not a force sensitive and we honestly don't know if he calculates his deflection with the color of the Blaster bolt or if he's actually calculating the object flying through the air. Because if he needs actual color to be able to distinguish the Blaster bolt to deflected it could possibly mean that he can't see bullets flying through the air. If that question never gets answered then it still would be unknown but as it stands a lightsaber would actually hurt Grievous more than help him. And that would actually be the way to defeat him is with the melted bullets. But with legends, Chief wouldn't have time to make a plan because he would be dead. 1v 1 no previous intel would be in favor of grievous
I don't think he gave the assault rifle enough credit in the video
blaster bolts are easy to deflect
slugs? solid metal? not so much
especially since the assault rifle fires carbon reinforced titanium that has a melting point just below diamond
a lightsabers temperature ranges from 1800 to 20000
if those sabers fall at the lower end then because of the limits of thermal conduction chief could potentially deflect a light saber strike with his arm unshielded if it came down to it.
also master chief deflected a tank shell with his fist
i just put that there because it sounds cool...
Yeah so many factors on cheifs side were ignored. (I think someone stacked grevious .)
It wasn't a tank shell, it was a bunker buster guided missile.... So a little more devastating hahhah.
He also punched a nuke and lived
Star Breaker to be fair Cortana did have to shied him with hardlight in order for him to survive
Punched. A. Nuke.
As long as grievous doesn’t break chiefs visor then he’s good.
Honestly though I would argue that anyone with a normal gun could kill general grievous because you can't block the metal bullets with a lightsaber. I'm pretty sure the mandalorians did that to stop normal Jedi.
Nope, all slug throwers did was remove the ability to deflect them back at enemies, meaning they'd have to focus on blocking and not deflecting.
@@bluekunt didnt it not block and just send molten shards of metal towards the face of the jedi?
@@doge_sevens yeah, it did. you cant block nor deflect bullets. the only thing grievous has going for him is his durasteel armour. Chief could take any non force user, as the force is literally his only weakness
The lightsabers are extremely hot so it doesn't parry or block them instead it instantly melts them, still though chiefs insane precision and his extremely quick movement of the hands to point the gun somewhere else would be so fast grievous would have a hard time noticing he changed his position let alone see the path of the bullets to block them, grievous is fucked 11/10
I have decided to move to my own thread
"With 4 sabers and doing 20 swings per second equals 5 swings per saber. That is a single swing every .2 seconds. Chief have .02 reaction speed without cortana, armor and this was right after augmentation at age 14 so by now it's a lot shorter. Melee combat, chief may combat grievous just as good, if not better, as kenobi. Chief can react to ballistic and maybe even beam rifles.
www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/a-functional-analysis-of-spartan-reflexes/972355ff-60e0-46a9-a834-db7518992bb3/posts
That gives "some" insight of a spartan's reaction time.
Let's decipher GG's armor,
Ceramic armorplast: ("Armorplast was an advanced, light weight, ceramic version of the popular metal durasteel"). So a stronger version of durasteel but not stronger than titanium and if so, slightly stronger.
Durasteel: (Durasteel was a type of metal alloy used for a variety of purposes, ranging from combat armor to buildings. More resistant than standard steel but weaker than the common alloys of titanium, durasteel was able to protect against kinetic damage)
Duranium: (Duranium was a tough alloy used in military-grade plating. It was stronger than titanium but less resilient than impervium)
"The ceramic armorplast plates protecting limbs and torso and face can stop a burst from a starfighter's laser cannon" (duranium is not present in limbs, torse, and face) Honestly cant explain how just durasteel/armorplast can protect against several 128-500 tw unless titanium in sw can protect more against this and Chief can tank the same and more against these starfighter's laser cannons.
BTW durasteel have been made canon in halo verse from the book warfleet as orbital defensive platforms, as many of u may know, Cairo station from halo 2.
Continuing, Chief's armor is made of titanium-A:
(The outer shell of the Mjolnir armor is composed of a fairly thick titanium alloy. This plating covers the chest, arms, hip, legs, calves, feet and hands. This alloy is very resilient, can take significant punishment, and is nearly impervious to small arms fire. While enough shots from armor piercing rounds will breach the outer shell, the suit can take a few glancing blows from them without compromising the armor)
We all know a MA5Broken rifle can take down chief in a number of shots after shield breaks and if Grevious limbs, torso, and face armor is only of an upgraded version of durasteel, which is weaker than titanium, we can now assume bullets in Halo can pierce through a majority of Star wars main durasteel armor after a number of shots, thus making their statement of impervious to ballistics false when they go against halo ballistics even though there is controversy of halo balistics. And if not impied, pierce through GG's limbs, torso, and face with a number of shots.
This took a lot of going back and forth through a multitude of forums and wikis. This is through simple logic as we are given material hierarchy. Titanium is univerally accepted through many sci-fi so we have that to back up on. Unless stars wars in just complete fiction/fantasy (and titanium is a separate entity from IRL) compared to sci fi that is halo then we can go by this.
.Depending on traction will depend on how much more time ill put into looking into lore
"we're gonna use the Legends version of Grevious" fam I love Masterchief but thats just unfair xD
Even if the bullet's melted, if Grievous is spinning his lightsaber, wouldn't that apply force and effect to where the molten bullet shrapnel flies off to?
@Davey N Crocky holy crap, you need to stop blasting this comment, you made your frickin point, jeez
Teust me, expanded universe chief is a god of destruction
One significant problem is that you aren't accounting for the fact that Grievous can't block bullets. They're orders of magnitude faster than the blaster bolts, and Chief's supreme accuracy can certainly allow him to hit the heart or eyes of the general. We also don't even know if you can cut through shielded Mjolnir armor with a lightsaber, at least with a strike or two. Also, with Chief's run speed, how is Grievous supposed to close the distance?
Also metal bullets just turn into molten metal going hundreds of miles to your face when hit by a lightsaber
Negative.
Don't pursue me about this!
Grievous is able to dodge force pushes in the heat of battle and he can strike 20 times a second going all out so i think he'd be able to close the distance quite easily.
@@arkhamasylum8972 that would classify as reaction speed, which is MUCH different than running speed. I.e you can react leagues faster than you can run.
@Kaiserland111
Bullets are nowhere near as fast as blaster-bolts:
"It was true that it had been developed originally as a response to blasterfire and other projectile weapons, but over the centuries it had developed into much more. "Of all the seven forms," her Master had told her, "Form Three, with *its emphasis on anticipating and blocking lightspeed energy blasts,* requires the greatest connection to the Force. The road is long, but it is worth the journey, for a true master of Form Three is invincible."
- Medstar 2: Jedi Healer
Also, Chief is slow as fuck compared to Grevious - Grevious has cybernetic-legs that are designed to be far faster than heavy armored-humans.
I’m sorry but watching this, almost half the video is pure “general grievous this and that” but only drops a few minutes talking about the chief. He pulls all of this info about legends grievous that honestly sounds ridiculous even for Star Wars but it legends so that’s a thing but barely scratches at info about master chief. I’m not saying I entirely disagree with the outcome but a fair explanation for both sides should have been there and I don’t feel it was. And I’m sorry but as good as many of the legends books are, I think we can all agree that most of them are pretty far fetched when it comes to statistical information
I mean grievous has more lore to him than master chief does. What master chief is and what he can do is pretty well established. People dont know about grievous as much as cheif so he spent more time explaining him.
I dony blame him for giving less info cuz I think be gave the proper information required i blame the legends numbers they are greatly exaggerated
@@shsltrash820 there is tons of info in the halo novels. Eck sold chief short in many things. I think this match is 4/10 chief maybe including chiefs godlike luck 6/10. So average of 50% is more like it.
@@johncox9575 bruh you’re going to include luck in a 1v1?
@@linewater2690 sure am. Lucky hits end fights all the time. Ive seen it ive been in it.
Does anyone else feel like Eckhart is always super biased towards the Star Wars universe? He always seems to do far more research into why they are great and never properly looks into their weakness' like he does for their opponents
Mostly because he uses legends when it isn't canon and underplays halo plasma weaponry.
Thats because halo plasma weaponry is pretty weak
@@hotsauce8780 While playing the games yes, outside the games in other official canon it's not remotely weak at all. The armor of warships and vehicles melt from just a few shots . Fully charged plasma pistol shots can actually kill a Spartan with full shields and armor if it's a direct hit.
Well generally speaking the EU just has more info as someone who ones a litteral star wars encyclopedia which is like six Webster's dictionarys and then some cuz its a multi set it's usually easier to research
@@jeremyharris2980 The EU is also non-canon as of Disney in 2014.
"Each and every lightsaber he owns was from a dead jedi"
Dam. That means he killed the first jedi with his bear hands.
I think in Legends Dooku gave Grievous Master Sifo Dyas's lightsaber as his first. I remember seeing a comic panel with it.
Dooku makes some inciting comment about the honor of bestowing such a treasured item to a 'droid', and the good General immediately throws a tantrum and destroys a whole room full of magnaguards with it.
Chief could just stay at range and fire the CE pistol as the bullets can't be deflected... along with the fact that the CE pistol is OP.
True
lol first of all what says said bullets can't be deflected? Secondly the ammo only travels so fast, and Grevious is MUCH faster than both Chief, and any of his ammo. he would never hit Grevious, especially at range. His only chance if he had one is up close and that is pretty much suicide.
zephiro l blaster bolts only travel at 70mph and where pistol bullets travel at 1,700 mph
zephiro l you can’t deflect bullets, if you block a bullet with a lightsaber it becomes melted metal moving at the same speed as the bullet. And with chief’s speed and accuracy as well as the aid of cortana he could easily hit grievous’ eyes and blind him, making the kill easy.
And the bullets are actually explosive in the novel
Like you said, Chief is basically a genius. A genius with a genius, even for an AI, companion. Cortona would analyze Grievous and detect his weak innards. Even a human, all be it a Jedi, was able to pull his chest apart before he could react. So Chief's best, and most likely course, would be to sprint tword Grievous and throw his weapon at him distracting him. Tackling him and shoving his sidearm in his chest and opening fire. This move would not at all be out of character for Chief and would throw off Grievous who would expect a rifleman to run.
To be fair, Obi-Wan had the force with him. And Star Wars humans are actually VERY strong. Commander Bacara (I think it was him) and his entire clone legion was able to beat an army of battle droids just by tearing them apart.
Edit: Also, in what instance would Grievous just stand there while someone runs up at him? Canon Grievous, maybe, but Legends Grievous is a tactician, and he was able to keep himself from being sensed in the force from 6 Jedi. Grievous would most likely ambush Chief. Chief may be fast enough to move out of the way, but Grievous's legs are completely robotic. He'd just leap right at him and chop his head off.
Gage Satariano your roght
Gage Satariano ur right
Dr. Boring 100 km/hr say at 50 feet would be pretty fast sepcially if grevous is distracted an the avg human runs about 8 to 12 mph which can run 50 yards in 5 to 7 seconds chief can run 5to 7 times of an olympic athlete in full armour with cortanas help.
100 km or mph is still visible. eckharts mentioned that legends grevious could move fast enough at full speed that he couldnt even be seen. since people can still perceive nascar vehicle traveling at 200mph it must be faster.... we can all perceive a low flying jet even traveling over the sound barrier. so how fast do you think this guy can move at "full speed"? 2000, 3000, 5000mph?! were basically at dbz kinda instant transmission numbers at that point, but thats probably around what it would take to avoid complete detection from the average human eye. and eckharts made it clear he moved faster than even jedi could track. jedi, people who can see a few seconds into the future. now you dont have to just move faster than the eye can see; you have to move faster than the eye could possibly see in a multi-second period.
I don't really understand why Chief only ever gets an MA-5 and an M6 in VS. Why not a Spartan Laser, Sniper Rifle, Rocket Launcher, Shotgun, Battle Rifle, or anything else?
John D. How about cheif with twin lightsabers.
Mason scottfree what about an Energy Sword like Leon-011 or a Railgun like August-099?
Or what about (REQs) SPNKr Prime, Jorge’s Chaingun, Nornfang, Oathsworn, Prophet’s Bane, Halo 2 Beam Rifle Delta, Void’s Tear (yeah I’m including that), Flamethrower (Not a REQ) Grinder, Pool Of Radiance, Arclight, The Answer, Typhon, or Tartarus’ Gavel if we’re looking at Legends continuity?
Too OP?
Sickage [GD] MC really only needs his bare hands, forget weapons
Probably. I love Eck's vids but he has a terrible tendency to not flesh out both sides. I don't blame him for it but sometimes it gets frustrating. >.
Grievous: so fast he can appear as if he's teleporting, durable enough to survive a point blank explosion that threatens a planet's durability, has the ability to fly thanks to a repulsor lift allowing him to wield 6 sabers at once, can avoid Force pushes, can nearly instantly adapt to Windu's style which he's never seen before, can effortlessly rip through Mandalorian armor barehanded, Took down entire companies (120 clones each) and Jedi Generals barehanded in the catacombs of Geonosis, leaving none to tell of his existence, gets tossed out a window before proceeding to get right back up and fucking stroll through Mother Talzin's Force Barrier before killing her. Sweet fucking christ this guy is broken.
The legends version is pretty broken. The actual movie version, not so much...
Chief, he's hiding Cortana
Master Chief: vaporizes everything
Eckharts: “Master chief, a spartan that is not only from the best era of spartans ever, but may be the best spartan ever”
Halo 2 Jackal Sniper: “Allow me to introduce myself”
Oh lord. If that jackal became a spartan
it wasnt a jackel
EXTREMELY RESILIENT
Chief actually wasnt the best he was just the most tenacious look at how many times he respawned to finally outsnipe that damn jackel
Ok here's how I see it, Grievous has speed over Cheif, but Cheif has one thing Grievous doesn't, he's a one-man planetary defense system. Cheif can master ANY weapon near instantly, as well as adapt to any situation almost as quick.
Yes Grievous can out speed Cheif, but he can't overpower Chief in Physical combat, at least not easily. Chief also has a multitude of weapons at his disposal. If Chief got ahold of a Droid blaster rifle or ANY kind of explosive he could easily take off one of Grievous' arms and steal away a lightsaber. Couple Cheif's adaptabilty with an extremely intelligent AI and cloaking Grievous would die to his own lightsaber.
As we see in Halo Reach, Noble 6 and Emile both take SEVERAL Energy Sword wounds before they go down, they were Spartan 3's, not nearly as tough or durable as Spartan 2's. Chief could easily take a stab or 2 from the general. Plus if Chief has plasma grenades on him, which after Halo 3 he usually would considering the alliance between the Sangheli and UNSC, one sticky nade to Grievous' chest and it's bye-bye internal organs. Pretty uncivilized but an effective method nonetheless.
Keep in mind this is only speaking in a 1v1 scenario, no outside help for either one aside from weapon pickups for Chief as that's what he's known for. Then there's the Spartan Laser, I'm pretty sure that if Chief got hold of an Endgame or Selene's Lance Spartan Laser, Grievous would go down real quick. It's all a matter of how the situation plays out.
megaman37456 one thing that everyone else forgets is chief is a master swords men. He took on a zealot because the zealot gave him a sword to fight while Linda blew up a ship. Wtf why doesn’t anyone remember
Usher of Death he also beat a far faster and stronger opponent hand to hand - the first brute he ever fought. All because of his skill
Shhh you can't say that, zephiro might appear.
Honestly even if Chief were to be downed by Grievous, doesn't the Spartan I MK VI armor also contain a self-destruct equivalent to a nuke? Sure it's being a sore loser, but when has Grievous ever had honor to be repayed with? However I do think that ESPECIALLY with Halo 5's weaponry Cheif would wipe the floor with Grievous.
Nah bro, with Grievous's acrobatic skills he shows in the 2003 cartoon, he could probably perform a lightsaber cartwheel of death holding a lightsaber in every hand and foot, killing absolutely everything thay tries to stand in his way. XD
You see he forgot one thing one huge factor that will change the fight
Plot shield chief is the main character in like 4 games hes meant to win while grievous is meant to lose
Master Chief would win because he always finishes the fight
Would win?. then explains why he almost lost to diact and almost got rekt by the flood in novels?
chayud yodchit ok then tell grivASS to fight flood
grievous had better reflex so yeah he would win against little flood but not Gravemind and army of flood chief got beat by little flood LOL
did you ever heard the tragedy of the Gravemind the wise?
I feel like your referencing something and I dont get it and that's not fair
I can;t decide.. I'm definitely more o a halo guy but.. but... general grievous is my favorite star wars character,,,
I can help turn you to the halo side compared to eck's description of chief.
Chun kit is lying. He can’t do sh*t.
Halo 1 is good. Rest is filth.
Good video keep doing what you are doing
Canon grevious is basically just an elite with 4 arms wielding skinny energy swords
more like a forerunner knight?
Master Chief against Grievous is a good matchup because grievous doesn’t use the force. I don’t think Chief could stand up against A force sensitive individual such as Vader
Zack Rose he can. He already fought one thats 9 feet tall or taller
*Diadact has entered the chat*
@@kgbcommitteeforstatesecuri3315 As much as i hate to say it, chief was getting his ass handed to him by the didact, only thing that saved him was cortana strangling him using the hardlight from the bridge he was on and cortana also uses that same hardlight to form a bubble around chief protecting him from the nuke he detonates. Vader, unless somehow chief can sneak up on him, would just ragdoll chief around sadly. If somehow chief did sneak up on vader, vader is toast as the MA5B has such a high fire rate on top of lightsabers not melting slugs he would be turned into swiss cheese.
I personally think that the Legends version of Grievous could possibly beat Chief. Because honestly Canon Grievous could be defeated by a 4 year old with a broomstick.
I agree Grievious could beat chief, however I do not agree this battle is even close to this 1 sided
Technically Canon version is limited. How the hell do you show speed that's in the Quantum level? In Canon he was portrayed weaker but in lore he's cosmological. We go by lore.
@@renton0915 even when that lore isn't canon?
@@KTdaDon2 Lore is Legends and Canon. Because everyone knows Studios never get anything accurate. I dread the day they make real Halo Film.
@@renton0915 they made a anime/anime like cartoon version *IT IS WEIRD* but cool *DON'T WATCH HALO LEGENDS * 😫
The Legends books have a terrible habit of exaggerating the abilities of droids or artificial limbs beyond anything shown in the movies. If it were possible to make droids that moved that fast, then battle droids would slaughter non-droid combatants.
If it's a suprise drop in arena fight with Chief having the weapons you listed, I think he would still win. He's a good enough marksman that he could probably shoot and destroy the lightsabers in grevious's hands, especially if Grevious aproaches like he did with Obi-Wan.
Then while Grevious might have a speed advantage, we see Obi-Wan pry open Grevious's armor with his bare hands.
So Grevious's armor might have great anti-blaster properties, but it's physical durability is shit. I think in hand to hand, Grevious wouldn't have the strength or toughness to damage Chief's armor before Chief ripped Grevious apart.
Yeah... I dislike how the books tend to make everything ridiculously overpowered compared to what's on film. Just doesn't make sense that the empire wouldn't use droid armies if they were capable of being that far above stormtroopers.
Battle droids are cheap. Commando droids, IG droids, assassin probe droids, droidekas, and droid bounty hunters have displayed similar feats.
The exaggerated droid capabilities don't even matter.
20 strikes a second means each strike takes 50ms. Chief is stated as having 20ms or faster reaction time. Even cutting the strike time in half to account for the recovery after each strike, MCs reaction time is still faster than grievous can attack.
reads general grievous in titel INSTANT WATCH
I know this was 3 years ago, but if 117 had a sniper, DMR/BR or the zoom capable pistol, he could quickly shoot out General's eyes, to render him blind, the clean up the rest after
EU grievious xeelee stomp
"You dare challenge the mighty pistol?!"
Don’t you mean the LEGENDARY HALO COMBAT EVOLVED MAGNUM
Then again, Chief is using a ballistic assault rifle (whose shots can't be deflected by a lightsaber) with the targeting assistance of Cortana (and his own luck). No matter how quickly Grievous can close the distance, he will still be blinded/killed by rifle fire first.
Worst case scenario is that grievous attenpts to deflect the bullets. Now he has molten metal flying at him(rip original grammer... "hes")
Dr. Pootis deflecting ballistics? How?
OnyxInc agreed
He doesn't. That's the point - it just melts and continues at Grievous.
Yeah. Grievous has serious flaws in his defenses but Ecks just sort of ignored them and gave him the win. :(
Why does he bother talking about the weapons if he essentially just talks about hand to hand combat. Of course the guy with 4 lightsabers is gonna win there. This videos would probably be one of the best he has (one of many amazing ones) if it had been more middle ground. Also, if chief managed to dodge just a couple of strikes, he could just crush the cyborg with his hand, after all he regularly rips open tanks with his hands.
hes not dodging something that is way faster than him or any living organism in the halo universe.
@@2402Stevo Does General Grevious see in slow motion?
@@dr.vanilla9017 He reacts to and kills beings that are way faster than Spartans, can block Jedi's who can react to and have hypersonic speeds, and can react to blaster fire based on advanced computers in his brain. Essentially yes, he can, compared to regular humans.
@@2402Stevo Jesus do any of you research the augmentations? Greivous has how many year sof combat prowess? To chiefs enture god damn life of fighting?
Cortana has precognition, did you forget how fast she can calculate???? Also I think it’s unfair to take the most powerful form of grievous and not allow
Spartan lasers
Rocket launchers
Shotgun
And all the other weapons chief has
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (135th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
never give up!
+Spartan Abrams *I WON'T!*
I disagree your favoring him team chief all the way
Ikr
POV: you are looking for the Empire At War stream but it is over 3 years after this video was released and you still find it.
Also, you are looking for the voting tabs to tell Justin how right he is and it doesn't exist, lol
Peter Griffin vs Homer Simpson
KING of VODKA they have actually fought.
KING of VODKA already happened.
What do you mean! Give the chief a halo1 pistol and he gets the win 10/10 times
One thing that I should mention is that kinetic weapons are really affective against light sabers seeing ass it doesn’t deflect the bullet but creates shards of lead. And if he uses a shot gun than there’s no way that greves could deflect all the bullets
“Jedi are able to deflect blaster bolts” as he shows a clip of ki adi mundi getting absolutely owned by blaster bolts. Lol
Sheer power wise Legends Grievous > Master Chief >>>>>>> Cannon Grievous.
+Ravener
Took the words right out of my mouth.
True
Ravener True that !
Legends is OP
Grievous gets screwed over in canon, I think he's always been one of the strongest characters in star wars
well in ROTS he's strong as FUCK! Its just that the 3D clone wars hated him and dooku.
Dark Helmet vs Darth Vader
+Spartan Abrams This needs to happen
B-but....what'll happen if Dark Helmet goes PLAID?!?!
The master chief can use the sniper rifle and Magnum pistol to knock down the cyborg at a long distance. The master chief can easily smash the opponent’s armor in close combat.
I, unfortunately agree with this. However, I would still prefer Chief than Grievous in my army because Chief has a better tactical mind that Grievous...Plus, Chief has shielding and an AI, Grievous only has armor and speed.
Edit: I did not expect this to get such a strong argument in its comment/reply section.
Skypeon and 4 light sabers
And a droïd army
Skypeon Same
+BigThicc and +Factao
An army of those droids doesn't sell grievous to me. And you can have 50 and I wouldn't care. Gun beats Melee weapon in most situations. Besides, I could just craft the Chief a katana or knife if I wanted. He would be my super soldier, I'd be more than willing to spend a million more bucks to cover a possible weakspot, especially if he has already expensive armor.
Skypeon Yes, of course guns beat melee weapon. Yes John is a super soldiers, but unfortunately, you cannot win a war with only one guy ( we must recognise that some marines had helped chief 😂). I don't think that John is strong enough to defend a planet alone ( noble 6 tried, you know what happened), but an army can. The master chief will be efficient to destroy a specific target, like a clanker factory, but it will be useless if there is no army to benefit of this. Yes John is strong, he will probably kill a hundred of thousand separatist droïd on a battle, but he is going to loose because he isn't an army ( yes ,he is an one man army, but you understand what I mean).
if you use science, lightsabers cant deflect metal bullets, it would melt them but they would still go through the saber except well ya, I saw this in a video somewhere doing the math, so I think chief has a better chance than you think Eckharts
Grievous wouldn't be able to deflect Chief's bullets, he'll have to rely on his body armour to tank the shots (never a good idea). The general would still be at an advantage, but it wouldn't be a one-sided 9/10 victory.
*Cough Cough*
Cortana: I've heard that sound before, a smoker
Or someone with corona
Chiefs shields can take a few blows and just overpower him. The bulldozer strategy.
I think you are right for the most part, however I think the fact that Chief is using projectile weapons comes more into play than you may have accounted for. In the SW universe projectile weapons are very rare. The only two races I can think of off the top of my head that use them as much or even more than blaster weapons are the Trandoshans and the Verpine (though the Verpine only exist in legends now, unless Disney wisens up and makes Republic Commando canon again). Thus I think that Grevious would have little or perhaps even zero experience in fighting foes who use ballistic weapons, which would give Chief a big initial advantage since lightsabers can't deflect bullets. If chief could get some good shots through the gaps in Grevious's armor I think Chief would stand a much better chance. That being said Grevious isn't an idiot. It would not take him long at all to realize that his lightsabers can't protect him from his enemy's weapons and use his insane speed to keep Chief from getting a clear shot and then cover the distance between them when Chief would inevitably have to reload, which would be when he's at his most vulnerable. However if Chief could get his hands one one of Grevious's lightsabers I think it would shake things up a bit. While he would not of course have the same level of competence with lightsabers as Grevious, Chief is familiar with plasma based melee weapons in the form of the plasma sword, and is at least competent enough with one to use it against the Elite guards of the Prophets, who are all very well trained with such a weapon. That being said he definitely shouldn't (and I think wouldn't) rely on the lightsaber and would instead use it when he had to, doing his best to keep his distance and using his rifle and pistol. Ultimately I think it would go to Grevious more often than the Chief, but I think Chief would do better than you give him credit for, I'd personally say legends Grevious would win 6.5-7 out of 10 times. That being said I'm a total Chief fan boy and an definitely biased, so maybe that invalidates this entire rant :D
John Doe personally I think it's closer to 50/50, the whole fight depends on what those first 60 assault rifle round hit. Given grievous's eyes are unprotected I think the master chief has a very good chance of blinding grievous right off the bat which would let him easily take the fight
How long did it take you to write this
A made a poll about this 3 years ago on wonderpolls. Lol
Who got more votes?
Who won?
Chief won surprisingly btw.
You forgot to add the addition of Cortana with chief, making his reaction times much much MUCH smaller than grievous. Source: Halo Fall of Reach (book)
You fool, I've been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku
Master Chief: *What's that?*
Canon Grievous, gets destroyed in a couple minutes. Legends, MC puts up a good fight, but gets annihilated. . .
Agree. A better match up would be Blue Team vs Legends Grievous.
Btw remember that time in Clone Wars TV show when Grievous was beaten and captured by those Gungan hippies?
LocalHeretic 1127 no i do not, but it was probably really stupid. . .
Noah Rush Yes! Although, Church can’t hit crap, Tucker is pretty good with a sword but Grievous is better, and Caboose is just bad. So it would come down to the freelancers . . .
Yep it was. They simply used boombas or what those shiny blue balls are called and these pretty much short-circuited poor Grievous. Count Dooku had to quickly lure and capture Anakin Skywalker and they simply exchanged prisoners so nothing really happened. Stupid epizode indeed.
canon general greavious wouldnt stand a chance to master chief but i think legends general grevious would beat him
Agreed. I think you should use only canon in a versus match, but that’s just my opinion
Fravel Flav eeeh canon grevious cant even flank a padwan and all he's doing is trying to fight, losing and escape like a wussy.. but in legends he dosnt give a single fuck he used all his tatics and used what he learn from count dooku hell grevious is still training to be the strongest and killed 2 jedis and one padwan with one stomp and injured 3 jedi master without a sweat! and hell again thats not even his full power and successfully capture the senate.. if the show dosnt follow the plot of epsiode 3.. but i think grevious has a fast reaction.. or somthing idk i may be wrong but he couldve doge that force pull and maybe kill mace windu... idk i may be wrong... but compare to canon grevious he wouldve died or litery injured by jedi knights
Fravel Flav sorry for off topic but eeeh canon legends probably u can combine or ur opinion canon is a best fit for VS battle and ur right actually it doest fit but we arent talking about powers but we are talking about the characters ability or the character it self... but yea its ur opinion
Thank you Para. Finally someone that thinks like me.
Raving Rando your welcome actually i study canon grevious and legends grevious and see whats the difference of them.. i already know canon grevious cant do shit to masterchief but legends has no hard time beating him i mean like to legend grevious it feels like a villian of the day type of thing
Its straight up stated in star wars legends that during the mandalorian/jedi war the mandalorians used projectile weapons because when a jedi blocked the bullet it would send hot shrapnel directly into their face.