Love the fact that they didn’t put any connectors on the sides - only back and front. Should make squashing these into a rack MUCH easier than it is with RPi.
Typically RPis in a rack do not use the side connectors. Power can be drawn via GPIO. So technically, the RPIs can be mounted side by side very snugly.
I would LOVE to see how a Plex Server would perform on this. Specifically, the level of transcode it can handle (1080p>480p? 2160p>1080p?), and the number of concurrent streams. My guess is max 4-6 1080p>X transcodes, no 4k except direct play.
I'm interested to know how close to fully open-source this board can be made. Raspberry Pi's GPU is proprietary and uses a custom closed-source kernel blob. On the other hand, this looks like it uses a standard Valhall GPU, which would work with the panfrost driver.
Panfrost is on dev already for valhall gpus. For the blob side of things, bc rpi also runs mesa, so it doesnt matter here that much; unlike rpi having threadx OS running as a true boss all the time, rockchip blobs on rk3399 are far more simple and let more control for linux. Furthermore rockchip provided full documentation and you can run then blobless if you want. We dont know if rockchip is planning the same openness with rk3588. Probably yes.
@@microlinux in starting to question my rpi 4 purchase before the shortage and want a pi 0 2w for htpc kodi machine and crypto alert box thinkng some Chinese sbc woild be better? Any good machine thst.csn do decent video payback, usb 3, and best of all would be m.2 Svtislly found one ywayrfay that has a x4 pcie slot. I'm buying one when btc recovers to mine on with kodi top at rhw tv 😻
I think once they get more support for it and can guarantee that all Gamecube and PS2 games are running effectively, I could see myself getting this SBC, or at least the next version of it.
You can adjust grid autosport files to any resolution and refresh rate you want,it is the best benchmark because of that because you can do PC like benchmarks with controlled resolution and FPS presets
Wow, SBCs are really getting good in 2022. And for reasonable prices. Clearly this would work well as a desktop PC for most people. Can't wait to see the Linux performance!
The RK3588 is certainly going to be the way to go for SBC, TV box and handhelds this year on ARM but Firefly need to come up with a price for their more end user version to hope to compete with Radxa and their Rock 5b, which has a known value. The AMLogic space is likely to be decimated for the foreseeable future.
Nice video! I wanted to suggest a new kind of video: emulator updates. Basically just a monthly crunch on the changelogs of the most common emulators, such as PCSX2, RPCS3, Yuzu, CEMU and so on, including tests of the new features.
I bought 2 Pi 4s w/ the motive of making 2 little retro emulation PCs. When I saw all the problems ppl were having w ROMs or ISO packs, whatever they're called and given the ok performance, I was out. This, this is NICE 😎
@@zerocal76 - I was so disillusioned when I bought a Pi for emulation and know EXACTLY what you mean. I was so shocked to find out people tolerate that crap.
I know it's not something you normally cover, but I'm especially interested to see how DAWs run on these SBCs. I would love to build a minimal audio workstation and if you would be willing to try a simple DAW like Reaper that would be incredibly insightful!
Have you had a look as Elk Audio OS? I've used it as a standalone PI based VST host, but that is really just scratching the surface. It might be a good starting point for you.
Love your videos! Since I build a windows 10 handheld Prototype I watch all your videos to be up-to-date! Perhaps the next project will be an amd apu. Or I use one of these SBC you show us. Love your videos
I can't wait to see how Linux runs on this lil beastie!!! I'm not too happy with the price, being that it's about the same as that larger board with more IO but that still remains to be seen EXACTLY what it'll cost :)
preorder for rock 5 b are 80 for 4 gb and 100 for 8 gb , 150 16gb I want to preorder the 8gig but will it run android 12 like this firefly board? the i/o specs are better and it is cheaper but no built in wireless, but I have an m.2 ax201 with e key just sitting here, I wonder if it is compatible with the rock 5b
Its good to see rockchip back making some decent arm socs using big cpu cores & good graphics again. Had a couple of cheap performing android tablets using rockchip back in the day.
I would love to see a cheap android tablet than can run GC ad WII at full speed with near full compatibility PS2 was just icing on the cake nobody even seen aether coming and that was for phones seeing that it can now run on A SBC is really amazing and a really unexpected development
@@andreamitchell4758 you can see my cheap android tablet run armbian instead of the terribly worthless Android Go. It does well for a little media storage server; dlna, smb, USB hdd, and accoutrements. Not bad for a free tablet. Oh and I reused the screen for video wall of 7" screens lol!
@@andreamitchell4758 it's a no-name Amazon special for kids from China (of course). I lucked out and found an odd entry in some random buildroot on GitHub one day for an allwinner device with a chip I recognized as a touch controller. After some research, I was running armbian on the little board with a 60pin dsi output. I have another revision with a 50pin but I'm actively trying to turn that one into a homemade Ubuntu-touch like system or better, debian with the touch addin from the Ubuntu!
this looks like an outstanding little board, i'm definatly going to check it out. How warm does it get? i'd love a little aluminium heatsink case.. Can't fault the coverage here ETA, you hit all the beats ;-) looks great :)
As far as emulation goes, I couldn't care less about the newer devices because they already handle everything I would care to emulate on something less than a gaming PC anyway.. but, there are other things I am considered arm-based single board computers for... I'll probably end up buying something from Khadas though since I already have their Tone Board, and their form factor places all the I/O ports on a single side of the board making it even more perfect for consolizing.
Is hobbiest level support better now for Rockchip? Back when I was playing around with an Odroid XU4 the community consensus was to stay away from RK based boards.
RK3326 has been great. Used in a million handhelds. I hope this gains tracktion or HardKernel releases more good sbcs. I really dont want raspberry pi. Everyone seems to make more powerful boards but every gets excited for Raspberry pis and makes awesome cases for them. Radxa zero is far better than the new pi zero2 that came out after the Radxa zero
@@retroman-- RK3326 used in a million handhelds is not a good example, they're still stucked with a 4.9 kernel, some RK SoCs got mainline kernel support but not all features IIRC.
@@codemonkey6173 its a soc, not a cpu. And it's arm system ready level 1, higher than rpi4 level 0. It's certificated hw. Probably you didn't use mainline or you just dont know anything about linux.
Dude when you get it on Linux give it a blast on saga Saturn for me because I've been waiting for a good SBC to make a mini Saturn with before I chop up my official wireless charger and I'm loving the layout of this lil board and honestly I think this chip could be a cracker for it
If PCIE3.0 is important to you, an alternative will the the Radxa Rock 5 with the 3588 (non-S) which comes out in a few months. A compute module based on this will be something to look forward to.
Most people don't need most powerful SBC, but most reliable SBC... and that is by far RPi 3. I've used few hundreds of them for a project. All kind of other SBC comes and goes... some might be good but it's not possible to rely on them for long term projects. Those who want to play games can buy gaming PC.
I got into Raspberry Pi this year with the aim of putting all the arcade games I loved as a kid on one device. Unfortunately upon nearing completion I released Sega Model 2 & 3 games (Scud Racer, Daytona etc) & Capcom CPS3 games won't play on a Raspberry Pi. So if this plays those and the other systems I am down.
I would love to see how it does as a mini server for something like 7days to die. The raspberry pi struggles a bit with that and I’ve been considering trying with a different sbc instead of a old itx pc.
If you're interested in testing out FOSS gaming on this machine with Linux, I would like to see you run Veloren. It's a voxel-based RPG that is still in pre-alpha, so it's not fully optimized, but I think it could still be a pretty good benchmark. I would recommend using the flatpak version.
they really jacked the price up on all rk3588 boards, nothing is really affordable in the sbc area these days. you are usually better off buying a used pc on ebay
Actually if you flash gapps, all you have to do is enable your device for google play verification on the android developer page if you want that. But it isn't a requirement for everything.
Some power consumption numbers for reference: Power off with fan - 1.5 Watts Power off without fan - 0.6 Watts Ilde with fan - 5 Watts Idle without fan - 4.2 Watts Stress test on all 8 cores with fan, NVMe SSD connected - 11.3 Watts
Linux on this platform will have 2 different paths, exactly like on RK3399. you always tested RK3399 over just one path, legacy vendor kernel, so a fork of rockchip with blob vpu and gpu drives. the gpu drivers were terrible but t least some vpu worked there. I will come up with the other path soon. on rk3588 linux you tested it on a forked 5.10 kernel by rockchip, with again, mali gpu blobs and rockchip vpu blobs. the mali gpu blobs will not perform even close to what mesa panfrost with mainline kernel (so not the rockchip fork) will be able to deliver on this soc, the same way that you never tested rk3399 on mainline kernel with panfrost. with panfrost RK3399 deliver very nice performance, and the vpu, while complex to achieve working on current arm linux distros, its there. I mean they are open source vpu drivers. rk3399 was extremely expensive at launch and had terrible android and linux gpu blobs by arm, not by rockchip.. the rest are misconceptions about it.
@@microlinux I was talking about the community support that Raspberry Pis enjoy over any other SBC. I really like SBCs, and Raspberry Pi is too underpowered for me. I hope this board succeeds.
If it has m.2, it would be crazy if you could use the little m.2 to pci-e connector to use a gpu when using Linux. Not sure if it would work, but would be neat if it did.
Wouldn't mind seeing the one you had with the pcie slot hooked to the rx 6400 running steam on unbuntu. Wonder how it performs with some triple a titles.
Id love to see some windows steam games running in linus, and some OC with a larger copper cooler. Doesnt have to be race car games or fps.. try sins of solar empire/ ashes of singularity strategy ect :)
Once they hit GameCube and PS2, I believe this will blow up. But at that cost, it has to run for me. The 4 can handle all I need at that price. (In the before times.)
Love these videos. I would like to see how it performs running windows. Cheers man. Keep it up! I’m waiting on my 3D printer. I’m gonna build a N64 imulator/gaming pc. Prob gonna wait for a AM5 next gen APU but these are def an option I’m looking at. 👌🏼✌🏼
Awesome board, I'd like to see network and nvme benchmarks as well as finding out if it runs alpine linux and K3s för kuberentes. Thanks for great reviews.
Honestly, I really, really want to see what people can run on this board through box64 / 86. I can't shake the feeling that a person could use this for low end PC gaming, if you focused on titles that were 2-3 years old and set settings to a medium-low mix at 720p-1080p. Btw, is there any hope of getting a direct link to this product in its official store? I can't seem to find it listed in Firefly's site
i would love to have an afordable and well supported sbc that will be able to run things like a 1.18 minecraft server smoothly. Ive tried on a rpi4 and that doesnt run even 1.15 or 1.16 well at all with any more than 1 person at like 8-10 chuncks render distance.
would like to see some more emulators and then some plex /jellyfin testing with transcoding etc. some linux services maybe something using pytorch since the chip offers tensor flow
I can tear down my One Plus 8T put some thermal paste, heatsink. ROOT it, overclock GPU and CPU and it's gonna absolutely decimated this Firefly SOC with more than double performance...
Holly-molly bytes! It's a half of the desktop Intel Haswell performance per core!!!! Huge! Well haswell gives about 900-1000 in geekBench, and 3500+ per multicore ( 4cores + HT enabled in bios)
Looks good! I decided to go with the Pi4B thanks to better connectivity and support as I'm a newbie, but I do think I'll sorely miss the potential performance benefits of the rockchip SOC. Raspberry Pi need to get a model 5 out there !
It looks like somebody looked at the wish list on the Raspberry Pi discussion forums and decided to fulfil it. These are going to be tough to get for a while though, and a while longer before the OS is solid.
It may differ a lot on the short term. ETA will probably only review it on the forked rockchip kernel with the gpu blobs. So, take it with a grain of salt.
In my opinion all of sbc is basically phone without screen and port. If i was a sbc manufacture i will make an android phone but smaller, remove screen, add IO pin, add usb and hdmi port and that's it.
Sounds GREAT.... hold on... it has an old fashioned power connector?! That small flaw is a total deal breaker for me! This device needs a USB power supply, otherwise it's a pain to use. You need to look after that special PSU, not lose it or have it break, otherwise you're gonna have to do some investigation into volts/current/regulation/polarity/connector-size before you can use an alternative. Or you'll have to find an original PSU (over-expensive, and could become hard to find original ones.) With a RPi you just grab any USB plug with the appropriate connector that outputs enough Amps and that's it.
I'd love to get your advice on choosing a SBC.... I want to attach a camera, and stream it's footage over the internet to a receiving device (Android running a Unity game/app). I've tested my project with a "Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W" and it's not too bad... However, I'd like something more powerful, because right now, the quality of the stream is not that good, despite the camera being very good. My 1st priority..... Low latency.... That is incredibly important for my project to work! When I increase the quality setting with my RPi project, the latency climbs up exponentially. So I'd like to try out something more powerful, maybe something with a chip that is good at handling this kind of task? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, since I see you cover lot of these boards, and a video on this subject might be very popular since people are doing Racing Drone projects, which are heavily reliant on low latency... I hope you get this, thanks for everything!!
Love the fact that they didn’t put any connectors on the sides - only back and front. Should make squashing these into a rack MUCH easier than it is with RPi.
The side connectors on these boards drive me crazy. Wish more cases moved them all to the back because it is a dealbreaker for me.
Same. Now if only I could find one with just 1 M.2 sata connection and just 1 M.2 E-key. Very very hard to find.
Typically RPis in a rack do not use the side connectors. Power can be drawn via GPIO. So technically, the RPIs can be mounted side by side very snugly.
I would like to see Batocera running this exclusively as an emulation machine. This seems perfect to mod an Arcade 1 up machine.
Also something fun, emulate old 90’s windows, classic CRT screen and all that, old retro pc sort of thing.
I would LOVE to see how a Plex Server would perform on this. Specifically, the level of transcode it can handle (1080p>480p? 2160p>1080p?), and the number of concurrent streams. My guess is max 4-6 1080p>X transcodes, no 4k except direct play.
I'm interested to know how close to fully open-source this board can be made.
Raspberry Pi's GPU is proprietary and uses a custom closed-source kernel blob. On the other hand, this looks like it uses a standard Valhall GPU, which would work with the panfrost driver.
Panfrost is on dev already for valhall gpus. For the blob side of things, bc rpi also runs mesa, so it doesnt matter here that much; unlike rpi having threadx OS running as a true boss all the time, rockchip blobs on rk3399 are far more simple and let more control for linux. Furthermore rockchip provided full documentation and you can run then blobless if you want. We dont know if rockchip is planning the same openness with rk3588. Probably yes.
@@microlinux in starting to question my rpi 4 purchase before the shortage and want a pi 0 2w for htpc kodi machine and crypto alert box thinkng some Chinese sbc woild be better? Any good machine thst.csn do decent video payback, usb 3, and best of all would be m.2
Svtislly found one ywayrfay that has a x4 pcie slot. I'm buying one when btc recovers to mine on with kodi top at rhw tv 😻
Might have to pick one up. Been wanting an SBC with an M.2 slot on it.
I think once they get more support for it and can guarantee that all Gamecube and PS2 games are running effectively, I could see myself getting this SBC, or at least the next version of it.
You can adjust grid autosport files to any resolution and refresh rate you want,it is the best benchmark because of that because you can do PC like benchmarks with controlled resolution and FPS presets
Finally the arm sbc that as fast as smartphone
That is some exciting news 👹 !
Wow, SBCs are really getting good in 2022. And for reasonable prices. Clearly this would work well as a desktop PC for most people. Can't wait to see the Linux performance!
+1 for linux performance
Starting at $220... That's reasonable?
Reasonable?
@@kkazakov he said others with the same soc will be closer to $100. I'm down to wait for competition.
@@Ben-ry1py there is rock pi 5 for 130 dollars and if you buy a 50 dollar off coupon for 5 dollars it will be 85 dollar
More videos on emulation with this SBC? Please 😊
What a beast!! I hope we see some Piboy-like handhelds for this chip
The RK3588 is certainly going to be the way to go for SBC, TV box and handhelds this year on ARM but Firefly need to come up with a price for their more end user version to hope to compete with Radxa and their Rock 5b, which has a known value. The AMLogic space is likely to be decimated for the foreseeable future.
Looks interesting for sure. I'd like to see a build of EmuElec come out for this...would definitely replace my Pi4 if there was one.
Nice video! I wanted to suggest a new kind of video: emulator updates. Basically just a monthly crunch on the changelogs of the most common emulators, such as PCSX2, RPCS3, Yuzu, CEMU and so on, including tests of the new features.
Finally some good performance on SBC boards! Sick of getting mid to low tier performance on these boards.
Amen
I bought 2 Pi 4s w/ the motive of making 2 little retro emulation PCs. When I saw all the problems ppl were having w ROMs or ISO packs, whatever they're called and given the ok performance, I was out. This, this is NICE 😎
@@zerocal76 - I was so disillusioned when I bought a Pi for emulation and know EXACTLY what you mean.
I was so shocked to find out people tolerate that crap.
I know it's not something you normally cover, but I'm especially interested to see how DAWs run on these SBCs. I would love to build a minimal audio workstation and if you would be willing to try a simple DAW like Reaper that would be incredibly insightful!
There is an arm version of reaper?
@@namesurname4666 It's open source so presumably you could compile into ARM (no guarantee on stability tho)
Have you had a look as Elk Audio OS? I've used it as a standalone PI based VST host, but that is really just scratching the surface. It might be a good starting point for you.
I don't think they will, especially if you want to use an audio interface. If I recall ones that do suffer from dropouts and bad latency.
Love your videos! Since I build a windows 10 handheld Prototype I watch all your videos to be up-to-date! Perhaps the next project will be an amd apu. Or I use one of these SBC you show us. Love your videos
Can't wait to see Linux and power consumption info
I can't wait to see how Linux runs on this lil beastie!!! I'm not too happy with the price, being that it's about the same as that larger board with more IO but that still remains to be seen EXACTLY what it'll cost :)
preorder for rock 5 b are 80 for 4 gb and 100 for 8 gb , 150 16gb
I want to preorder the 8gig but will it run android 12 like this firefly board?
the i/o specs are better and it is cheaper but no built in wireless, but I have an m.2 ax201 with e key just sitting here, I wonder if it is compatible with the rock 5b
In an older video I already explained how to run Grid Autosport at 60 FPS, not going to repeat myself if my comments don't even get read...
Its good to see rockchip back making some decent arm socs using big cpu cores & good graphics again.
Had a couple of cheap performing android tablets using rockchip back in the day.
I would love to see a cheap android tablet than can run GC ad WII at full speed with near full compatibility
PS2 was just icing on the cake nobody even seen aether coming and that was for phones
seeing that it can now run on A SBC is really amazing and a really unexpected development
@@andreamitchell4758 you can see my cheap android tablet run armbian instead of the terribly worthless Android Go. It does well for a little media storage server; dlna, smb, USB hdd, and accoutrements. Not bad for a free tablet. Oh and I reused the screen for video wall of 7" screens lol!
@@PBRichfield nice, which tablet is it?
@@andreamitchell4758 it's a no-name Amazon special for kids from China (of course). I lucked out and found an odd entry in some random buildroot on GitHub one day for an allwinner device with a chip I recognized as a touch controller. After some research, I was running armbian on the little board with a 60pin dsi output. I have another revision with a 50pin but I'm actively trying to turn that one into a homemade Ubuntu-touch like system or better, debian with the touch addin from the Ubuntu!
this looks like an outstanding little board, i'm definatly going to check it out. How warm does it get? i'd love a little aluminium heatsink case..
Can't fault the coverage here ETA, you hit all the beats ;-) looks great :)
Ooooo u finally got one
Been eyeing this soc for a while
It's about time Rockchip upped their game. I'm looking forward to the Ubuntu video.
As far as emulation goes, I couldn't care less about the newer devices because they already handle everything I would care to emulate on something less than a gaming PC anyway.. but, there are other things I am considered arm-based single board computers for... I'll probably end up buying something from Khadas though since I already have their Tone Board, and their form factor places all the I/O ports on a single side of the board making it even more perfect for consolizing.
Is hobbiest level support better now for Rockchip? Back when I was playing around with an Odroid XU4 the community consensus was to stay away from RK based boards.
RK3326 has been great. Used in a million handhelds. I hope this gains tracktion or HardKernel releases more good sbcs. I really dont want raspberry pi. Everyone seems to make more powerful boards but every gets excited for Raspberry pis and makes awesome cases for them. Radxa zero is far better than the new pi zero2 that came out after the Radxa zero
@@retroman-- RK3326 used in a million handhelds is not a good example, they're still stucked with a 4.9 kernel, some RK SoCs got mainline kernel support but not all features IIRC.
@@JimmyZeng panfrost support his gpu on mainline since long time ago
I have the pine rockpro64 and the support for that rockchip cpu has been pretty lackluster
@@codemonkey6173 its a soc, not a cpu. And it's arm system ready level 1, higher than rpi4 level 0. It's certificated hw. Probably you didn't use mainline or you just dont know anything about linux.
gool lee! Who woulda thought that Porsche was so much better than my VW!?
Dude when you get it on Linux give it a blast on saga Saturn for me because I've been waiting for a good SBC to make a mini Saturn with before I chop up my official wireless charger and I'm loving the layout of this lil board and honestly I think this chip could be a cracker for it
This looks awesome, would be cool if it had enough hp to run wiiu or switch. That would be amazing for an sbc
emulation ? that would be asking too much imo.
I think switch emulation would be a lot more feasible than Wii u, considering that switch emus are open source and that the switch is arm based
Спасибо за обзор. Я долго искал обзор на эту плату и этот обзор первый.
If PCIE3.0 is important to you, an alternative will the the Radxa Rock 5 with the 3588 (non-S) which comes out in a few months. A compute module based on this will be something to look forward to.
Finally a decent replacement for x86 architecture for Linux! I would like to see how vulkan perform on Mali now under linux. Thanks 🙏
that will need to wait a bit
Panfrost on mainline with panvk would be the way to go.
@@microlinuxyes, reverse engineering heh
A Neural Network processing speed comparison with the Jetson Nano would be very useful!
Most people don't need most powerful SBC, but most reliable SBC... and that is by far RPi 3. I've used few hundreds of them for a project. All kind of other SBC comes and goes... some might be good but it's not possible to rely on them for long term projects. Those who want to play games can buy gaming PC.
I got into Raspberry Pi this year with the aim of putting all the arcade games I loved as a kid on one device. Unfortunately upon nearing completion I released Sega Model 2 & 3 games (Scud Racer, Daytona etc) & Capcom CPS3 games won't play on a Raspberry Pi. So if this plays those and the other systems I am down.
If Pine64 will use this chip to make a laptop or phone with real Linux desktop mode I'll be really happy.
I would love to see how it does as a mini server for something like 7days to die. The raspberry pi struggles a bit with that and I’ve been considering trying with a different sbc instead of a old itx pc.
Or just get Intel NUC, you can get current gen quad-core for the same price as this SBC, even after you add in 8GB ram and SSD.
If you're interested in testing out FOSS gaming on this machine with Linux, I would like to see you run Veloren. It's a voxel-based RPG that is still in pre-alpha, so it's not fully optimized, but I think it could still be a pretty good benchmark. I would recommend using the flatpak version.
they really jacked the price up on all rk3588 boards, nothing is really affordable in the sbc area these days. you are usually better off buying a used pc on ebay
Damn this is outclassing a lot of the other desktop ARM offerings I didn't expect it to.
Actually if you flash gapps, all you have to do is enable your device for google play verification on the android developer page if you want that. But it isn't a requirement for everything.
Some power consumption numbers for reference:
Power off with fan - 1.5 Watts
Power off without fan - 0.6 Watts
Ilde with fan - 5 Watts
Idle without fan - 4.2 Watts
Stress test on all 8 cores with fan, NVMe SSD connected - 11.3 Watts
I don't like the soldered battery, it seems they don't think you'll use the board longer than the battery.
Well, what do you think ETA, Rock Pi 5B or this firefly? I think I'll go with the Rock Pi 5B because it has the full RK3588 with PCIe.
Linux on this platform will have 2 different paths, exactly like on RK3399. you always tested RK3399 over just one path, legacy vendor kernel, so a fork of rockchip with blob vpu and gpu drives. the gpu drivers were terrible but t least some vpu worked there. I will come up with the other path soon. on rk3588 linux you tested it on a forked 5.10 kernel by rockchip, with again, mali gpu blobs and rockchip vpu blobs. the mali gpu blobs will not perform even close to what mesa panfrost with mainline kernel (so not the rockchip fork) will be able to deliver on this soc, the same way that you never tested rk3399 on mainline kernel with panfrost. with panfrost RK3399 deliver very nice performance, and the vpu, while complex to achieve working on current arm linux distros, its there. I mean they are open source vpu drivers. rk3399 was extremely expensive at launch and had terrible android and linux gpu blobs by arm, not by rockchip.. the rest are misconceptions about it.
This is a ARM Homeserver Gamechanger! i Also hope to see some Tablets with that SoC.
PPSSPP Tomb Raider Anniversary is harder to run than Godd of War. Why not test it? It would show a real difference in performance for these SBCs
It's probably just what he has on hand, but if it can't run GoW at full speed it certainly wouldn't handle something harder.
@@TheRealAlpha2 all chips these days run GOW which is why its not a good game to test any longer. Thats why Im suggesting Tomb Raider. :)
These Raspberry Pi competitors fall short on one thing Software support. I hope they can work on that front.
Vpu out of the box on linux and android doesnt seems bad at all. In fact rpi4 lacks of if on android and on aarch64 it runs really bad.
@@microlinux I was talking about the community support that Raspberry Pis enjoy over any other SBC. I really like SBCs, and Raspberry Pi is too underpowered for me. I hope this board succeeds.
Would love to see SBC’s compared to the little m1 board, maybe Linux installs for m1 and all that.
there's actually a linux distro for the m1 chips called asahi linux
@@harveyhans no gpu acceleration means its ass
@@harveyhans Asahi doesn’t support all the hardware yet. When it does, though. That’ll be very interesting.
@@420247paul it's not that bad if you don't need MPEG/3D, should be glad the Asahi team have managed to save these Macs from the Apple landfill.
If it has m.2, it would be crazy if you could use the little m.2 to pci-e connector to use a gpu when using Linux. Not sure if it would work, but would be neat if it did.
It would be nice if they kept the io and form factor the same as the Pi so we can use them in Retroflag cases.
Looks awesome! Would love to see how it handles streaming video, over browser or otherwise!
If that's not cut the pcie 3.0 that's gonna be perfect
Ahh sweet! Raspberry will sweat when watching this
@n n pi4 8gb at 70 bucks?? Where hahahaha
@n n I said "raspberry" not "raspberry pi 4", so raspberry must create some big changes for 5, we need more improvement, power & speed.
You didn’t put a link on this one, very nice video.
Need some of these for my server rack!
Me too!
Wouldn't mind seeing the one you had with the pcie slot hooked to the rx 6400 running steam on unbuntu. Wonder how it performs with some triple a titles.
any word on viability?
Id love to see some windows steam games running in linus, and some OC with a larger copper cooler.
Doesnt have to be race car games or fps.. try sins of solar empire/ ashes of singularity strategy ect :)
It will never destroy raspberry pi with that price!
Well, it's just as dumb as calling the Tesla Model S a Prius destroyer. It's like, no kidding, if you're going to completely ignore the price class
I can't believe Genshin impact does not have native controller support still...
Was cooler enough ? Can you improve performance with better cooling ?
Oh yeah, the SBC scene will be the segment to watch in the future. This is getting exciting. Bring on linux !
Once they hit GameCube and PS2, I believe this will blow up. But at that cost, it has to run for me. The 4 can handle all I need at that price. (In the before times.)
Can't wait to see the Linux performance! Can you please try Debian
Great content.
Thanks.
Would love to see whether Fedora works on this monster. Tried Fedora on Raspberry Pi 400 but never got it to work…
Love these videos. I would like to see how it performs running windows. Cheers man. Keep it up! I’m waiting on my 3D printer. I’m gonna build a N64 imulator/gaming pc. Prob gonna wait for a AM5 next gen APU but these are def an option I’m looking at. 👌🏼✌🏼
Windows will run like on rpi4 without gpu/vpu drivers... so, badly.
Usually the name "Rockchip" is enough for me to discard a board. Hopefully this is changing.
That's bc you never tried mainline
Wonder what the power consumption is... if running this board from lipo is viable for handheld devices
15W
Awesome board, I'd like to see network and nvme benchmarks as well as finding out if it runs alpine linux and K3s för kuberentes. Thanks for great reviews.
Honestly, I really, really want to see what people can run on this board through box64 / 86. I can't shake the feeling that a person could use this for low end PC gaming, if you focused on titles that were 2-3 years old and set settings to a medium-low mix at 720p-1080p.
Btw, is there any hope of getting a direct link to this product in its official store? I can't seem to find it listed in Firefly's site
Yep, at least whenever we got panfrost working on it.
@@microlinux yeah but there is only one guy working on it lmao
@@ezforsaken one guy? They are a bunch of them at collabora. And also contributors like icecream95.
Are you usually dishonest?
@@mavfan1 ???
This would be perfect to put batocera on and make a gamecube mini with or any other mini console
Is there a x86 this size without a huge fan or heatsink, besides the lattepanda alpha, something like a amd ryzen, im building a handheld gaming pc
Gosh, I'm gonna change my auto pilot bot with this SBC! 😍
Can't wait for your upcoming Linux test of this chip.
i would love to have an afordable and well supported sbc that will be able to run things like a 1.18 minecraft server smoothly. Ive tried on a rpi4 and that doesnt run even 1.15 or 1.16 well at all with any more than 1 person at like 8-10 chuncks render distance.
would like to see some more emulators and then some plex /jellyfin testing with transcoding etc. some linux services maybe something using pytorch since the chip offers tensor flow
Hi dude. I am a big fan of you. I really like this tiny computers. I would like you to install arm based windows 11 also. Loves from Türkiye.
Make some gpu/vpu/wifi/ethernet drivers then
I can tear down my One Plus 8T put some thermal paste, heatsink. ROOT it, overclock GPU and CPU and it's gonna absolutely decimated this Firefly SOC with more than double performance...
Holly-molly bytes! It's a half of the desktop Intel Haswell performance per core!!!! Huge! Well haswell gives about 900-1000 in geekBench, and 3500+ per multicore ( 4cores + HT enabled in bios)
Retro handheld with this is a must now!
Yes but what about TDP?
do we even know how power efficient this thing is?
If you would be so kind, could you show the linux part? Im really intrigued, I want to buy one of these, yet there seems to be no one available
Always love your videos turned on notification
I'd love to see this thing running open media vault with some docker containers!
Looks good! I decided to go with the Pi4B thanks to better connectivity and support as I'm a newbie, but I do think I'll sorely miss the potential performance benefits of the rockchip SOC. Raspberry Pi need to get a model 5 out there !
It looks like somebody looked at the wish list on the Raspberry Pi discussion forums and decided to fulfil it. These are going to be tough to get for a while though, and a while longer before the OS is solid.
Ubuntu is good choice for this, like to see that video too...
If there was something like this with a parallel port, it would be amazing for retrofitting CNC machines
Can you make a review of this processor which also includes performance of GIMP and Kdenlive, considering it can run Linux??
It may differ a lot on the short term. ETA will probably only review it on the forked rockchip kernel with the gpu blobs. So, take it with a grain of salt.
In my opinion all of sbc is basically phone without screen and port. If i was a sbc manufacture i will make an android phone but smaller, remove screen, add IO pin, add usb and hdmi port and that's it.
That board is emulator beast👍.I Wana see you run gtav n Skyrim. Keep up the good work 👍
Can"t wait this SBC performance on ubuntu
Sounds GREAT.... hold on... it has an old fashioned power connector?!
That small flaw is a total deal breaker for me!
This device needs a USB power supply, otherwise it's a pain to use.
You need to look after that special PSU, not lose it or have it break, otherwise you're gonna have to do some investigation into volts/current/regulation/polarity/connector-size before you can use an alternative. Or you'll have to find an original PSU (over-expensive, and could become hard to find original ones.)
With a RPi you just grab any USB plug with the appropriate connector that outputs enough Amps and that's it.
I have a 2015 asus chromebook flip c100pa with a rockchip that I run linux on, and even the older stuff still does good
interesting! you could run 4 screens at the same time on this bad boy :-D
I'd love to see Debian running Octoprint/Klippper on this as an alternate to a RasPi for 3D printer control.
I'd love to get your advice on choosing a SBC.... I want to attach a camera, and stream it's footage over the internet to a receiving device (Android running a Unity game/app).
I've tested my project with a "Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W" and it's not too bad...
However, I'd like something more powerful, because right now, the quality of the stream is not that good, despite the camera being very good.
My 1st priority..... Low latency....
That is incredibly important for my project to work!
When I increase the quality setting with my RPi project, the latency climbs up exponentially.
So I'd like to try out something more powerful, maybe something with a chip that is good at handling this kind of task?
I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, since I see you cover lot of these boards, and a video on this subject might be very popular since people are doing Racing Drone projects, which are heavily reliant on low latency...
I hope you get this, thanks for everything!!
Look how thin!! OMG it's beautiful!!!