I've never heard this on Ham Radio bands | Horror on 3Y0J Bouvet Dxpedition frequency
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- I muted the callsigns of those who did not follow the SPLIT rule. Maybe they just didn't understand the situation. But the main thing - let's not swear on the air. Amateur radio is the oldest and friendliest social network in the world. The Bouvet DX expedition has just begun.
I ask all MEN, please don't do this on the frequency.
Remember what DX Code of Conduct says.
Please listen first!
73 and 88!
Raisa
#r1big
#oh7bg
"please listen, and listen, and listen again" Great advice from YL Raisa.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Hopefully some people will listen to you and learn something. If they continue to do this then we know they did not listen to Raisa :( :(
Thank you for being the BEST Amateur Radio Ambassador to the World!
😂😂😂 I hope they will read the code of conduct and will be just polite to each other.
it was a very big Pileup. Maybe few % of all hams were not polite. And 97% were calm. So, just pay attention to the proportions ;-) Ham Radio is a very polite "social media" unlike all others !
Thanks for the polite reminder for us all to be polite on the amateur bands, Raisa. Nicely stated.
It's very disappointing to see so many bad operators. I get the excitement and wanting to make the rare contact, but there needs to be some civility. Please follow the DX Code of Conduct. It makes it better for all.
Yes, many of us are now very excited and determined to contact Bouvet, but this does not mean that they need to swear on the band. You are right. 🤫
Eh, the problem is that the folks over at 7055 KHz LSB don't care about that.
anarchy
In my 55 years as an Amateur radio operator , I have never heard a fight on CW ....
There is rarely a good reason to read the comments, but this one was well worth it! Thanks for the laugh... And the truth :)
I suppose it's because emotions and egos are not exhibited so easily. Just a brief QRL. Also misunderstandings can occur as we all speak different languages. These matter less on CW
Pffft, you have not listened much to major top ten expeditions then? In Europe there are tremendous DQRM and trolls on CW and SSB.
I just QRX 5 minutes when it gets too bad, and usually they stop, unless the policemen are not feeding the trolls even more reasons to continue.
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80 meters a real joy after midnight in NA it is 11m crap.
this is the type of thing that is turning me off from HAM radio, I barely turn my radio on anymore because people are just acting like children.
I don't like it too
I use CW & QRP, you find more grown up radio amateurs that way.
I feel the same, but I just listen, I have yet to get my ticket. I do have to say that there are a lot of operators out there that seem to be more than willing to encourage the hobby to die with them than there are that are trying to recruit new blood. It really is a shame.
Chris.. this is not a regular thing, don't worry - just these extreme DXpeditions..
Just children bringing their internet manners to amateur radio.. dont quit.. consider the source.. and continue..
Hi Raisa,
Well Said. I agree with you whole heartedly dear Raisa.
Kindest Regards,
Ray, M0RAY, South East England.
Thank you for raising this issue, Raisa. I heard it myself and couldn't believe what was going on... Thanks to the crew of the Bouvet DXpedition and keep up the good work!
It was awful...
Thank you Raisa for Posting.
I really love my hobby.
I’ve made so many friends all over the world who are good, kind and decent.
But! As in this awful world we now live in, it only takes a few bad people to effect the many good ones.
After hearing this disgusting behaviour over the past few days, I seriously considered just selling my Station and giving up.
But why should I?
If I do then those bad people have won and I lose out on something I truly enjoy..
So I’m staying here to spread the friendship and compassion which is the true blessing of Amateur Radio.
No matter what the politicians and power crazy freaks in this world try to manipulate for their own gain, Radio Amateurs will always be the hand of friendship over borders, countries and cultures that no one can destroy!
73 & Thank you
Nick
G0HFL
I agree 100% !! TNX for your comment.
it was a very big Pileup. Maybe 3% of all hams were not polite. And 97% were calm. So, no reason to give up !
Very well said indeed! Thank you for deciding to keep working to improve amateur radio! 73, KO4AZY
Thanks for this reminder, Raisa, about the split frequency and basic ham behaviour! Some forget, in their excitement, that the first rule of ham radio operation, is LISTEN !
Very sad to see this happening on our bands. Thank you sis for posting this video. Yes people.... listen and respect others. **Hugs from your bro**
Patrick, thanks!
Raisa, there are many words in Russian as well as in other languages to describe what is happening with Bouvet in the pileups. In America we use the word " lid " or " lids " to describe poor operators. Thank you for posting and expressing your disapproval with this type of conduct. Take care!
why this word LID? could you explain please? 73! Raisa
@@YLRaisa lid is a poor amateur radio operator..one who grossly does not follow the rules
@@YLRaisa Licenced IDiot
@@pierrebordeleau5188 it was also used back in the day to describe people operating without a license wasnt it?
@@chrisloh745 "Lid" is the label for a poor operator. "Pirate" is a common description of an unlicensed station.
I would much rather talk to someone who wants to ragchew instead of spending time fighting over getting through on a contest. However, I am new to the hobby, so maybe I am missing something. The nice thing about radio (or RUclips or television) is that if it upsets you, then it is easy to change what you are listening to or turn it off and walk away. Problem solved. 😀 I enjoy your videos. I'd love to see more about your shack setup, attennas and gear. Thanks so much for sharing.
Good day om, this station, 3Y0J is what we call "A Rare one" it is nr 2 on the DXCC most wanted, North Korea being nr 1. out of around 350 total
So everyone wants to get a contact :)
See you on the bands.
OY1R
@@Dreamlgider Regin, thanks a lot for the good explanation
thanks my friend. As Regin say there is the best AWARD in a Ham Radio World - it is DXCC. Google it. :)
been in and out of the hobby for over 30 years and have zero interest in the fake 59 contests or stepping over people for 'rare dx'. people turn into such unrelenting a******* in pursuit of a contact.
@@VirtualLunacy I got into ham radio because I like the science side of it. This fighting over and through pile ups just doesn’t seem fun to me. If I’m going to go that hard after something I’ll work the floor on Wall Street and pocket a lot of money for it. The last thing I want to do in my limited free time is to be stressed. I get plenty of that already. Everyone has their own interests, so do what you like! I joined a local club and 9 folks out of 10 in the hobby are very friendly, helpful people. There is always that one in any group. 😂
Thanks for posting this. This ALWAYS happens during a big DXpidition. The last time was Heard island. The two biggest problems are well meaning people who dont know what they are doing and second.. licensed hams who have personality disorders and just want to make people angry for there amusement. Never transmit on the same frequency that you hear the dxpidition calling. They always work SPLIT frequencies. Look in your manual and see how to work split. The people who are jamming HAVE NO shame. You cannot make them ashamed of what they are doing. If you try to call them out on the air..you are just making things worse.
this is who we are, even if we hide behind masks of beautiful words and beautiful ideals, without exception.
I disagree, I'm sure there are a lot more good and smart people in the hobby. They just do not make themselves felt, where it is not needed.
The nice thing about SDR receivers (with waterfall) is that you can so easily see what is going on.
Even better on QO-100 where everyone is about the same strength and everyone can hear everyone.
Now of course it still requires the proper operating practice to make use of that.
Thanks for taking the time to speak about this.
Maybe it will be useful for someone 🤗
wow, i am Speechless, i am agree code of conduct must be followd. It is not difficult to behave.
Dear Raissa, thank you very much for your videos. I like your videos because you also convey a soulful and sympathetic Ham-Radio culture that some have unfortunately lost. One can learn a lot from you. Best regards from Munich! vy 73! de DK1RL Stefan (Steve)
Stefan, thanks a lot for your kind words!
Well said Raisa. There are times like this when I'm convinced that the code of conduct doesn't exist in many shacks. My shack is only a small 100w max station and so many times have I tried to reach a DX pedition station only to find others coming over the top of them who are not interested in the DX ped station. You can start to understand why so many are getting away from SSB Phone and going to digital modes when this sort of thing is going on.
Thank you for bringing this up on your channel. Please, fellow operators, listen and respect the code of conduct.
This kind of behavior is what has driven me to local VHF and UHF stuff, and I've been a HAM since I was 10 years old (1960). A lot of really bad actors have taken over amateur radio, many just rude, others with world domination agendas. A very different hobby these days than when I would run phone patches from otherwise unreachable places in the world. Anyway, thanks for speaking honestly about the bad guys.
Well in North America the FCC is just a Toothless Lion and they could care less about the Amateur Bands unless someone is causing an issue with business or Law enforcement.I believe they would rather just sell the band space and put more money into their own pockets.They are pretty much Useless and have been for many years.
@gm4dhj more like animal nature.
Congrats to all who keep Ham Radio dignified and cordial. I remember fondly when CB radio had some integrity.....NO one sweared. Now look what has happened to CB radio channels. You cant even monitor them in the car with children. Is Ham Radio going in that direction??
There are chunks of the bands you definitely would want to avoid if wanting to demonstrate the professional side of ham radio. 7200 comes to mind. The first time I listened to the clowns on 7200 I thought it was going to be the norm for all of HF, but luckily it's not.
I often hear ops on 27555 acting for professional than the doghouse on 80m
Well said Raisa - if people can't remember their manners & behave like normal, polite human beings, then they shouldn't be transmitting. Manners cost nothing & go a long way. Ash M7CCQ
Ash, we need talk about it, maybe someone forget 🤗
Thanks for building this video. I would hope it change with time. But it was already like that 20 years ago. That's why I left radio several time. But in the end, HAM behavior is the same as in our society. I came back thanks to FT8 mode where DQRM is much harder toi be efficient. 73's
It is nice that you came back! Because like you said: they are only few, only a part of a great hobby! 73! Raisa
A little like qso's taking place just 2khz away or sometimes directly on the SSTV calling frequency if there's an sstv net on at the time of which there are many every day here.. listen first
Dave today I have sent QSL card to you :)
Or the IARU beacon frequencies, especially on 20m.
@@YLRaisa Спасибо. моя первая первая qsl карточка, хотя у моего покойного отца было много тысяч!
I heard two different pile ups on the same frequency several times last weekend. There was 3 contests going on the same weekend. The pile ups couldn't hear each other. I was in the middle and heard them both a few times. A Canadian station was working a pileup and a Puerto Rican station was working a pileup. It was crazy and nobody complained. They weren't interfering with each other.
I had a qso with Japan, and one EA station constantly calling over our signal without listening. I could not hear my signal report while the station from Japan was very strong. I try to make contacts barefoot with experimental antennas but it is very hard with people transmitting their call 2,3 or 4 in one. Keep up the good work and 73 pd5rv
As the saying goes "Two ears, one mouth. Use in that ratio".
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Raisa, this is the most important advice, listen, 3 times! Plus, I think with a new ham one of the first things to teach them is what split means in the simplest of terms. I have been a ham for almost 40 years and I learned what split was way back in the beginning and the purpose of it. It makes it so much easier for the DX stations to manage the sea of voices! Everyone wants to have their voice heard but it is the most important to listen on the frequency before one speaks. All we can do is keep preaching to be great ambassadors of our wonderful hobby. You are an inspiration to our great life long hobby. 73, Daniel AB5VJ from Pennsylvania on the mountain top! ;-)
Hi Daniel, many TNX for your kind words, I will try my best! 73! Raisa
It’s worse than 27.555 😱
No doubt about it
Triple 5 is a madhouse too... sometimes... people who stay on the frequenty talking to each other...
I have been a ham radio operator for a long time, starting when i was 14 years old. Unfortunately this was not just an issue of listening or not, it is dQRM or deliberate QRM (interference). These people did not want this DXpedtion to be successful, they didn't want other hams to make a QSO with 2nd most rare DXCC entity. I heard language I thought I would never hear on the ham bands. Even on CW, which many old timers believe is the true gentlemen's mode, well you would never know it! On 30m CW I had he audio gain up hoping to hear Bouvet and then someone either tuning or holding the key down endlessly would blow my ears apart. I don't like getting angry but these op's took all he joy out of chasing this DXpedition. And on top of this, were horrible, selfish, bad comments on DX Summit.
I understand what you're talking about, and it's really sad that these people are deliberately getting in the way. Let's think about what can be done to fix this situation?
excellent point well raised Raisa, been stepped over for any sort of dx contact is what led me to unplug my mic many years ago, i now only operate digital modes, my personal experience that sent me this way was a american station in New York refusing to believe my signal report because he was using 1.5 kw and my signal report was not what he expected, @ the time my power output my on my M6 license of 10w ,and i was giving him 5&9, and he was giving my 5&7, the same with breaking into a VP8LP ssb pileup people NOT listening to Bob when he was asking for areas that were not Italy or America, sad so sad, now my antenna is a Ultrabeam 2 element i rarely move its position as i can work the world on 100w digital ,and even win contests with it , 73's & 88's Raisa de Kevin
Kevin, maybe you attach too much negative importance to individual special cases? come back on bands with SSB. 99% of working is normal and nice
happy to see you are on the bands, will look for you kl4gu be polite to each other first rule of amateur radio thANK YOU YL and forgive my all caps , dang button
Years ago when I was much younger and well before the internet, the lower ham bands were a battlefield. Many big stations running kilowatts would park on a frequency claiming it belongs to them. They would chase you off. You could not find a few kilohertz of open space to operate. You could monitor a frequency for hours or days thinking it’s clear. As soon as you transmit a CQ, a big gun station would blast a strong signal to you and tell you the frequency is in use. If you try to ignore them, then one of his buddies will start a QSO to step all over your signal until you got off the air. Nothing has changed.
Однажды, во время одного из пайлапов, мне даже предложили пойти на другую частоту "разобраться"😂
Когда люди держат кнопку передачи без остановки и даже вызывающему не дают слова сказать - работать в такой свалке не доставляет совершенно никакого удовольствия. Ну ведь есть же регламент, в конце-то концов🙄
Просто было очень много желающих, 3% из них вели себя некорректно, но наделали много шума, так как это были десятки "хамов"...
I'm trying to listen to 3Y0J since they are active and can't listen to them due to the strong QRM on their main frequency, DXPeditions usualy works in split mode 5 to 10 up to be readable for anyone. To many stations are trying to do simplex contacts and then ruined the opportunity for other to make the contact... You right Raisa, Listen first to transmit and read and follow the traffic rules as available on the expedition website prior to try to work them... 73 from F5GEB
It gets so frustrating hearing people repeating their call over and over again and it is just so rude and is bully tactics. In UK we have a saying "Every dog has it's day" meaning that if we are patient enough then our time will come. Everybody needs to respect each other and listen and give call when an opportunity arises then listen for station to come back. Well said Raisa, best 73 to you.
As one of my many Elmer's taught me, listen, listen, and lesten some more before you make a call, this gives you the opportunity to learn how the other station is operating and the ebb and flow.
It is a pity that not everyone has such good elmer's as you have.🤩
These days, in the good ole US of A, a new ham is lucky if they can even fimd a person to elmer them, it's sad but our society has become very selfish and many are rude and dismissive of new hams, really makes me sad😞
Sounded like channel 38 lsb on the cb band...lol.... They should bring back code requirement in the states. It would keep alot of idiots off the air. Worse thing they ever did was drop the code requirement
Love this hobby. Sometimes people not so much.
Hi YL, yes our global bands are indeed saturated with comms like this, but remember the global conflicts we’re all in right now… this leads always to disorganized chaotic emissions - especially when grid-tied comms are no longer trusted nor reliable.
Don’t lose your spirit over it… there’s a few in every crowd.
Just know it’s just a handful of immature people by contrast… they go away after awhile and pick up some other hobby when they get bored of being ignored.
The rest of us however are always around.
Keep the spirit alive and know it’s just a handful. It’s people like you who are important to us globally.
Hi! I will not lose my spirit! I know they are few part of all hams :-) 73 and thanks for your comment! Raisa
I've been into cb radio since 1979,ham radio since 1984, got my ham licence in 1986. But in 2023 I am using cb radio more. Sad times for ham radio.
The uber-competitive in any hobby can sour it for newcomers. I respect those that want out there and did what they could!
Adam, I agree with you, 3Y0J team did everything they can.
Really interesting Raisa, thank you! God bless Ukraine!
Thank you for this video!!! I really hope people will see it!
I know it's super easy for me just to say it but I'll do it anyway: if you could reach other hams on YT to make a similar video, the impact might be sufficient. They will probably rather listen you than some random guy like my self... All the best, 73.
Stevan, you can share this video 😉
@@YLRaisa Already did 😉
It's like everyday life, the world is going crazy !
it is a clown world
I was unable to participate with the DXpedition this time as myself and other club members were unfamiliar with how to fox hunt on FT8. We set up our own training session to be able to figure this out and it was great fun. While it would be cool to log DXCC QSO's, I am more interested in learning how to improve my operating efficiency with my old, hybrid radio. The event of easy to use appliances is ruining the hobby. We no longer have operators, the CB world has invaded with their high power amplifiers and self-aggrandizing, bombastic attitudes. It will eventually sort itself out, but it will take time. 73's - KD2USM
you should hear hams on 80m at night in the US....it's downright pitiful the foul language they use.
80m is huge and very localized. It not like that here.
This is just the worst.
Out here we get these 70 year old men calling on each other to fight like they're kids at the playground.
Truly pitiful.
And I thought, thats was only here in Germany at 80m....a German thing or something like that 🙈🙈🙈🤣
the old guard.....men over 70 want to prove it again. No wonder the world keeps facing wars
@@achimdm3kp598 luckily, they will die off within a few more years
I'm sorry to hear that. Such behavior does not depend on the country, but one would like to believe, and so it is, that there are much many prudent people.
its sad that this can happen on such a great DXpedition the lady has good advice !!!
It's called a pileup. Part of the problem is that not all stations can hear one another and think the frequency is clear.
Yes, it can be, but it's extremely rare.
@@YLRaisa I am in the radio club which one of the people who were running the DXexpedition was in, studying for a license. One of them said that the italians were "almost rabid."
Running higher power than needed (800w+) smurfing people running normal power.
We see this behavior on TV, in Congress, on the news, and everyday in traffic. I’m not surprised we are seeing more and more on the ham bands.
The best looking radio operator I’ve ever seen. 73👋🏻
You Ain't seen me!!!!
Raisa, my son, N5CSK, and I have this same problem at times with a simple POTA activation. Some hams are sorely lacking in common courtesy. Thanks for posting. 73 de AA6X
I always love your posts. Blessings to you 🙏
こんにちは、いっも 楽しく見させてもらってます^_^🇯🇵
次回も楽しみしてます😊
美人さんで 綺麗で、 英語出来たら いいんですがね
、これからも応援📣してます😊
Something similar happen to me when doing POTA a few weeks ago. I was calling CQ, when someone was telling me their signal report and saying gibberish. Very annoying, but you must press on - can't let these individuals ruin your day. Like your new look Raisa. :)
Hi Frank, thanks. I wish you that this does not happen again.
Raisa, you make a good point. Newer Hams often don't have rigs that allow them to work "split" mode, and I think that this is a problem. There is also a " my toy truck is bigger than your toy truck, so there!" mentality. There are also a lot of "angry" people in the World. I have noticed this especially post pandemic: Very aggressive , wreckless driving as I observe every day on my commute to the hospital where I work. And sadly, YES on the air. We have all been through a terrible time, and a lot of what you see (and hear!) Is, I think..post traumatic stress syndrome, manifesting itself in millions of people who have lost someone in the World. Indeed, it has touched every family.. A sense of powerlessness. We MUST remember that Roman Society didn't value things like compassion. We MUST not devolve. God sent his only Son to teach us. We can do better and BE better. In a World where Nuclear War threatens to engulf us all. If you are not religiously inclined, I quote from the movie "Things to Come" the 1936 film by H.G. Wells (and available for watching for free on RUclips... Have you viewed it? If not, you should!):
"And we, who are all that is left of the old engineers
and mechanics, are turning our hands to salvage the world. We have the air waves, what is left of them, we have the sea. We have ideas in common; the freemasonry of efficiency--the brotherhood of science. We are the natural trustees of civilization when everything else has failed."
All the Best! 73 DE W8LV BILL (and W8LV/VE3 prepandemic) 🇨🇦🇺🇸✝️☦️ Pray, and don't JUST Pray. Instead? Make it happen. WE are the International Ambassadors. All of us. ALL of us!
Amen brother! 73s de N0SL
I had to look up your call when I saw the 8 and you mentioned working at a hospital. You're not near me, but some of the worst drivers around, the ones who cut me off almost daily, cut me off just to turn into the hospital 1/2 a mile away. They are employees there and drive HORRIBLY.
But yes, the attitude of people have gotten much worse in the last few years. The amount of lids i've heard on air in the last 6 months is ridiculous.
Well, technically I am a "new" ham but I even don't know a HF rig without split mode. Anything what is now on shelves has split mode - and if inexperienced people would buy something a bit too old, that's a matter of missing education.
And that's the point. If all you need for obtaining the license is literally ticking some fields in test, you can have a distant notion about something called "split operation", but in reality you don't know what it is, when and how to use it. That's why in my country the exam is oral.
(By the way, using religious remarks in general public is inappropriate, maybe a significant part of us have no interest in your imaginary boss.)
Yes it's crazy, somethimes you even don't hear the Bouvert station, here already in the log on 15 SSB, 17 en 15 CW :)
You are lucky guy, Rudi! CONGRATULATION!!! Now please give others a chance. 😉
@@YLRaisa I'll do, I have them now also on 30m, but I will not call in FT8 to give a chance to the litlle pistols, that will be their chance to make it :)
Listen is a good advice all the time, but especially when these people are trying to do something real special with all the hardship they have to endure in order to do this DXpedition! If this keeps up there will not be any more because people don't want to put up with this nonsense! You tell them Raisa and thank you for bringing this up to everyone. LISTEN!
Agree fully. It's interesting though that some of this may be due to operating in split mode, which probably a lot of folks have never done before (including me) and therefore may not even understand instructions like 5 up.
It only means that you need to urgently google or ask a friend. 😉
I don’t remember what the question was exactly, but there definitely was *a* question on the US licensure exam about split operations. That meant that when the day came that I heard a station calling “5 up”, I had no idea how to actually do it, but I still instantly knew what I needed to look for in my radio’s manual before I keyed up. So, yeah, it’s confusing and unusual, but everyone is *supposed* to know that if you’re confused you should listen and read first, talk later.
Agreed. It seems like many ops, especially from some countries, didn't even hear about split mode. Possible cause is, they started on VHF/UHF only (with focus on repeater use), like Technician class in US, then discovered simplex operation, maybe only after they did their first upgrade to HF privileges. But this is not only US problem, similarly dumbed down allocations are in other countries, too.
Second, if your proficiency certificate is based only on the test, you can mechanically learn what to tick. Often, test questions are quite dumb (memorizing things I will always with me in bandplan) and in that pile of memorizing, the real use of split mode will became only a distant notion.
In OM, there is still real, oral exam, so anyone can be asked about split operation in depth. Because we had some HF allocation in lowest class at least from 2005 (in fact it was always here before invention of D class what was dumbed down VHF/UHF class at the Technician level - but those old A-D classes are long gone) and now we have all bands all modes even for CEPT Novice, it is one of the most frequently asked questions during the exam (there are some questions in fact anybody will be asked, maybe using different words).
In my club, there was a lot about DXing including detailed description of split operation. On the top of that, we were instructed what to study when we will try to do it first time by ourselves. I have printed ON4UN/ON4WW "operation textbook" on my desk, just for the case.
There was a guy with me at the exam, who was fully self-educated using the materials from SARA and CRK websites. Although he'd never seen a HF radio, he did know all these things so good he astonished the examiner.
As I mentioned above, now in my country even N class operators have all bands all modes. Before, we were limited to 160, 80 (that means night bands and 160 on the top of that quite noisy and hard to use for beginners), 15 and 10 (although daytime, often unusable in solar cycle minima) m bands on HF. On the top of that, DX segments were cut off. That means, N class ops had a little to none chance becoming experienced in DXing (but at least SOME chance in comparison with countries with lowest class being VHF/UHF only). This way, "we" (or regulators) make inexperienced E class ops. I would say it is too late to take part in DX pileups after waiting for E class (at least a year here). One can become impatient, "pressurized" by a long waiting to do it. Now, I can take a part in DXing from the beginning, BUT as a beginner, still not quite sure, I am more willing to listen with operation manual open, because I still need to find the balls before pushing PTT. For total beginners, pile-up is usually frightening enough to prevent them trying anything before they will catch a clue what's going on, but inexperienced but impatient and a bit too much self-assured fresh E class op with several hundreds, maybe thousands simplex calls is more prone to make a DQRM.
This why I operate CW !
When I was new to HF, I made the split mistake once. Then at others urging, I looked up in my manual how to do it. It's not difficult at all, so there is no excuse to make the mistake more than once, ever, in the worst case! There are also a few good YT videos on how split works between the two stations. (I like this one: ruclips.net/video/srIs_X61dGU/видео.html from QRP School channel). I'm glad they are also promoting that if you make one contact, let some others give it a try. I am on 100W endfed wire. It's hard enough, and harder against everyone with their 1500W 27 el beam blasting away for their 10th QSO. Don't get too greedy. Great reminder, Raisa. 73
Sad ham
You are so right, which is why mainly use CW & QRP transceivers these days, far more grown-up Amateur Radio.
Bwhahahahahaha yeah right cw are pompous. Getting tired of hearing that if I don't do cw then I'm not a real ham radio operator
@@beekeeper8474 By your reply you answered your own question, you are probably an operator of sorts, there's a world of difference between an operator, & an actual Radio Amateur, which you have proven with your reply, it's a real shame they stopped the 12wpm morse test, it was a good filter, I guess everything dumbs down when people want everything made easy. enjoy your operations good buddy, and don't worry about how it works, a real Radio Amateur will fix it for you, I can guarantee it won't ever see my repair shop
Got my Novice Ticket in 71', and my General around 76'. My "time to leave" came when during the Space Shuttle Program and some Stations were kind enough to rebroadcast some Shuttle Audio (pre-Challanger), I heard some guy who just couldn't accept that a small bit of the band was being used for this purpose, say "I hope the thing blows up!".
73 from Brasil 🇧🇷👍😎 TMJ
It's terrible. Impossible to get any contact. Totally lack of operational ethics. I'm copying all of this craziness from here in southeast Brazil. Just follow the basics guys.
Igor, I agree with you
Raisa, You called them voices. In America we call them "lids" a historic ham radio term
This has always been this way, and is why I never chase dx pile ups. Good to see you , take care .
Thnaks, Brian
Contests are such a waste of time, equipment and resources. All for a 59 report which can never be trusted. The contacts have no substance, no humanity and those taking part really put many off ever using HF. Ragchews on DMR are more fun. Thanks for highlighting this issue Raisa. God bless.
It seems to me that our hobby is good, that it has many facets and everyone can choose for himself what he likes to do. I love contests, I love the excitement that wakes up during a contest. But I also like to make usual QSO and talk to the operators, but unfortunately because of the pile up, I rarely manage to make long contacts.
@@YLRaisa It does have many facets, thankfully. I hope you continue long into the future and keep sreading the word of tolerance and kindness. Being arrogant takes lots of work, being kind is easy.
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I listened to it in the Czech Republic, it was very sad ..... :( 73! OK1TCM
Wow.....
Well good luck getting Bouvet anyhow! I'm in California and can only operate on 10 meters, but I'm still going to try. Maybe I'll have luck on FT8. Good luck!
It's the saw on CW. Crazy....you'd think that the rarity of Bouvet and the fact that so many would like to make contact that people would be orderly so as many people can work them. They're only going to be there a short time...maybe on DXpedetions like this the crew heading to the location should set up some kind of lottery or number scheme and when your number comes up it's your turn....like standing in line at the bakery. Take a number and wait your turn.
I raised this issue on my Facebook page. There is actually a way to work pile up by numbers, but in this case I don't think it's possible.
Usually 5 up very disrespectful people unfortunately that's not the ham spirit anymore
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Do you mean they can use split?
Totally agree, they are ruining this hobby.
Unfortunately this is the way many ham's conduct on the air, Especially wen there's a especial event or a Dx expedition ( new ham's whit no knowledge of the Dx rules and some old one's that think they have to be first because of there seniority or power on the air )...i have see this many times ...place understand the one's on the radio expedition..they have many calls at the same time on the air, they can take only one at the time ( normally the one they can hear and contact better to confirm there callsigns and follow the rules )....believe me is not that easy whit all those calls.. i have been part of more than one radio expedition over the years....Remember first listen and then said your callsigns and wait before you call again ..(.is not that they may not hear you is that some one you don't hear is toking )..some times is easy to make the contact ..some times is not..check the skip to your area it may not be good at that time or tray later...and conduct your self like a gentleman...remember you are a ambassador and representative of your country on the air......73's..good Dx's...
My microphone lives in my car now, and I use my transceiver as a shortwave receiver. The self importance of ham radio!
You make excellent points, but what I heard on 15M and 17M wasn't just due to newbies, lids and the Band Police. There was a lot of willful and nasty interference too. I also heard a guy on 17M who was answering and confirming contacts from stations calling on the DX's calling frequency - even though 3Y0J explicitly said they would be operating split - and you could hear the pile-up up about 5kHz! I finally gave up.
I can understand ignorance and/or inexperience, but I just don't get the horrible behavior. Thanks for the video. 73.
Thank you Rasia for highlighting this very poor behavior. It's disturbing, that unruly behavior increasingly seen in society, has spilled over onto our amateur bands. I know, I will never make a contact with this DXP because of my antenna situation, but the DXP is not even pleasurable to monitor. :(
It looks like poeple even know their own call-sign enymore. Everybody keeps on calling even when the dx-station is talking. Indeed listen, listen so you dont have to ask his call-sign or even shout on a wrong(split) frequency.
I hope that it will be heard and understood by those concerned. :)
The behavior of the international community at this event, among others, should serve to reflect on what amateur radio has become today.
Many operators don't understand how to operate split. Guess they skipped that part of their training.
How to make a split - it is a good idea for the new video. Thanks Richard!
@@YLRaisa Great thinking! 73 de K9WWW
I only recently got back into HF after decades of only using 2m & 70cm. I had to really scratch my noggin to remember how to set up split on my rig, but I did and made contacts. It is definitely easier on some rigs than others, lol.
I like QRP & CW, mostly because many of them have trouble with CW & QRP, you tend to get grown-up radio amateurs with, these modes.
@@YLRaisa Most only have learned to switch it on, don't expect them to do anything too technical.
There are so many horrible operators. The don’t listen first, not courteous of others and just like to cause QRM. We just need to make sure we practice good operating principles regardless of the frustrations. If it gets too frustrating for me I just walk away for a while. It is not worth getting upset. It is just a hobby. 73’s from Rick KS9V
Raisa, you just have to be patient. Another better organized expedition will come along in a few years and you will be in the log. Your amateur radio videos are very good and provide very good publicity for the hobby. Ian, HS0ZGL
Thanks Ian
thats why FT8 is so relaxing
Yep....so relaxing you can fall asleep and let the computer do the work....Amateur radio NOT !!!
Thank you, Raisa, for the new video!
И всё же это редкий случай. На ВЧ диапазонах такое случается крайне редко. Так что я не хотела бы никого расстроить таким видео ;-)
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I always listen listen to Raisa
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Hi Raisa,
Well said. It's a shame the bad weather at the island is causing them extreme difficulty offloading the heavy equipment. Wish them all a safe Dxpedition. WJ3U
Bad weather is the norm at Bouvet, unfortunately. de N0SL
This Is why i do ft8 and other Digital modes
I have not been able to make contact with 3Y0J in any mode but a friend not to far from where I am made contact in CW and he told me it was a total mess, om insulting each others, not respecting split and even other stations gave signal report to faulty station so they could move away... that's sad to see the lack of respect and so many station not listening to calling instructions...
Yes, this behavior was also something new and not pleasant for me. Maybe this can be explained by the scale and significance of the DXpedition to Bouvet 🤔
Absolutely agree denis F5PXF.
We need CW test back for ham radio license(even only 5WPM) , it's too easy to become a ham today
In this case I would not be able to be a ham because I have not learned CW yet
@@YLRaisa 5WPM is not hard but it would discourage some people. I'm sure you would pass :)
Agreed! The level of respect and commitment to the service is directly related to how difficult the testing is, no doubt in my mind. I did my 20 WPM Extra Class back in 1975. 73, W1LJ
However if you actually listened to what was going on during the dxpedition, 1 these were not 'new hams' behaving this way, and 2 the cw portions of the band were just as pathetic as phone with people putting out 1kw of carrier over CW contacts. There were way to many well seasoned killowat stations acting like this as well.
It is bad when hams don't listen first, they are in such a hurry to make the contact they ruin it for everyone
Unfortunately it is, Chris.
People don't listen. 60 year hams don't listen. I was trying to work a station yesterday, and people continually blurt their calls 1-4 times repeatedly, even over the operator during a QSO. Then one breaks the pileup and asks the calling station their call sign, suffix 3x, then asks for the prefix 3x lol. If they listened at all they would know who they were having a QSO with.
The expedition guys haven't really been on a whole lot, only on the clusters occasionally. I've yet to hear them at all, just the noise from the mob.
The World: 2023
Think about it.
I think about this misbehaved world often, especially when I'm operating the radio. Nothing irritates me more than some idiot LID who breaks through the pileup and then has the audacity (stupidity?) to ask the DX "Hey...can you give me your callsign?" This kind of selfish boor is the poster child for what wrong in this hobby today. 73, W1LJ...since 1974
The most important rules to follow, are those published by governmental agencies who license operators in different countries, like the FCC in America. If Americans (for example), would abide by FCC 97.113 a, 5, most of the other problems would be instantly eliminated.
American Amateur Radio Service licensees need to stop acting like young boys, playing on CB radios.
Yes, Gary, the rules are very easy to follow. Maybe we should talk about them more often?
So sorry for the QRM you got. I only tried on FT8, and unfortunately didn't make it in by your closing time about 19:00 UTC, 12/Feb/2023. Best wishes for a safe trip home. K1OKS
Every time a rare station comes on a lot of high power hams get their 5th QSO to the station while others can’t get one.
Moral of story, buy more antenna and cloud warmer or give up.
I will never give up :)!
I believe in miracles. They definitely happen. :)
The other thing that I absolutely hate is when stations tune on my frequency. If you want to work a station, move away a few kHz and tune there instead of blasting every other station off the band on my end.
Yes, it's very strange
@@YLRaisa it's not strange, its just annoying when I'm working CW and can barely hear a station and then someone blasts it away with a 1.5kW tone to tune up
And what do you know, the DX code of conduct specifically says not to tune on the DX station's frequency.
This is why i'm still SWL for over 35 years :-) No need to get my license in this clown world. The spirit in HAM land is gone for over fourty years and gets worse every year.
Someone wrote here: "Most of this is simply intentional QRM designed to annoy the hundreds of thousands of good ops in our hobby. What really needs to be done is to triangulate on the QRM stations, locate them and have their government pull their license and confiscate their gear for the next DXpedition to use." I also mean there are much more good hams !
Most DXpedition when SSB mode must be Split , this 3Y0J is most wanted , i also monitor waiting when hear to Indonesia de YB0DJ
I just stumbled upon this video and channel. It is pretty amazing how many people are just in it for the rare DX. I hope to make contact with YL Raisa in the future but I need an equipment upgrade first! 73s to everybody!
Need a working hf radio!!!
@@a2phil I have two but recently moved and I dont have the antennas deployed yet.
You're exactly right, the bad ops are making ham radio look bad☹️But it's ONLY becuz of them, the ones who shouldn't even have a license, not the good, respectful ops, who, despite the DX challenge, are always humble & practice the best of operating protocol; 73 de WA4ELW in TN 🇺🇸 dit dit 😃