@JLHOWARD40 & Aigle9223 : The official language of the Eastern Roman Empire was latin until the beginning of the 7th Century, although, being in the east, the largest part of the population used greek as vernacular. The educated and the scholars did use latin, a tradition that began to wane after Greek became the official language of the State.
The profundity of this chant, and the seriousness of its spiritual fervor, only brings home more powerfully what we have lost in the Roman Tradition since the 60's. This is "food for the soul"; now they give us cotton candy! Gratias frater et Pax.
Jimmy Martello We actually don’t have to endure; my patience with trying to rationalize Vatican 1 in spite of the Mountain is Errors from Vatican 2 is at an end. If this “Amazon Synod” in particular doesn’t convince you that Popes can, indeed, teach error, then you will believe anything. The only Hope for Western Tradition now is Western Orthodoxy. Apart from a few minor elements from Trent, and the second and third phases of Gothic Architecture, Orthodox Antioch has wiped clean the innovations of the last 800 years, and we can now practice our faith as if there had been no Schism.
You my friend speak truth! This is just divine music, it's all I listen to, and my days are always full of peace. Keep praying brother, and never cease from listening to this music, it's good for your soul! God bless you bother.
I am not sure about the date of composition but it was in use from roughly 7th century AD to 13th century AD. I'd say, lacking evidential data and as a rough guess, considering the style that it was composed during the early to mid 7th century. Next week I will be posting a 12th century transcription of an ancient (6th-7th century) Byzantine chant that has certain similarities to old Roman chants like this one.
thats the first steps to becomeing religous honestly i myself was raised catholic but i did take the chance to explore my christian counsins churches and its just not the same there is something spiritually different and when i listen to chants i feel closer to God
And we are slowly reclaiming that heritage after a long period of turmoil in the Church. Thank the holy father for his motu proprio, Summorum Pontificum. The Latin Mass is becoming very widely available (it was never abrogated, it was just unfortunately repressed...). I'm going to a Latin mass and a glorious Gothic parish Church this Sunday... it's beautiful!
@Doge di Amalfi "old rite in Russia" ??? what are you referring ? Rite in Russia is unchanged from the days of Christ's last supper 'cause Russia is orthodox....what catholics ? Orthodox are catholics ..you wanted to say "roman - catholics" ??
Text inveni David servum meum in oleo sancto meo linui eum manus enim mea auxiliabitur ei et brachium meum confirmabit eum nihil proficiet inimicus in eo et filius iniquitatis non nocebit ei English Text I have found David my servant: with my holy oil I have anointed him. For my hand shall help him: and my arm shall strengthen him. The enemy shall have no advantage over him: nor the son of iniquity have power to hurt him.
David had great potential and while he obeyed God's commandaments and lived righteously God blessed him and prospered him and made him a rich man and a king, but when he became rich David started to forget God and forgot to master his passions and this put him in the hands of the adversary. And then the adversary, the son of iniquity ended up having power over David because he let his soul fill with lust over another man's wife, and that same lust also drove him to murder the man.
@acerb45666555 Not quite, this is actually Old Roman from the 6th century and earlier and that is why it is in Latin. There is no "orthodox" chanting. Byzantine and Gregorian and other variations developed since the 5th century AD from this original style, long before the schism.
@JLHOWARD40 Since this is a very old Catholic chant, I'm not surprised that it's influenced by Eastern Christianity, as the Byzantines had had a very significant cultural impact on Italy in the early Medieval ages.
@Callixtinus I've was blessed to have had the chance to visit the Holy Churches of Ravenna. I stood in San Vitale and marveled. I highly recommend a visit to anyone who wants to see some of the most wonderful churches in the world.
If you like these chants - the true remaining Church is still singing them in the East - our Holy Orthodox faith has preserved this spiritual way of glorifying our Lord. No musical instruments, just the beauty of prayer...
+Assen Andonov . GIve me a break. That sort of language is what's brought us to this sorry state of east versus west; while we should both be standing together against the savagery of bloody, evil, satanic islam. I would politely point out that nearly all the heresies of the past 2000 years have come from the east: Nestorianism, Arianism, Gnosticism etc... and only through Rome, acting and keeping Truth, were these errors purged from Christendom. I must add that the west's abandonment of the Byzantium East is a point of eternal shame, but let's look forward to dialogue and reunification under Christ. All of Europe and the west faces a much larger and truly evil threat from the muslims and their evil migrating horde.
Filoque, Papal supremacy, Tomas D'aquina and many other basic parts of the catholic theology are heresy. Saints of the last few centuries, with Holy Relics, have made this clear. Many signs were also given over the history of Christianity. The fact that some great Saints Holy Fathers were in Rome at the time of the early Church and the heresies does not make the post Schism Catholic church correct in any way. This is the truth and the countless miracle workers of the east and Holy relics attest to this, as well as the fact that in the west, salt is used in holy water, while in the east it lasts for YEARS without anything.
Matei Basarab If that's the case, why has God allow Islam to nearly wipe out the Orthodox Church. Look, our problem is not filioque or Papal X or Y, it's standing together, for Christ in the face of demonic Islam and its evil followers
You error. King David cannot pray for you. What happened to King Saul and his son when they said and did what you have just said? Samuel or not...what did he say? The bible teaches to pray only to the Father and that there is One mediator, only one... anything you ask in my name... none other.
Trad itionalgirl And you have an advocate, always and forever whilst you breath and are in the land of the living, the Comforter...The Holy Spirit if you are born again or blessed Apostle John and others who were granted the gift in their mothers womb. The whole idea is a PERSONAL relationship. You must believe He sees, hears and knows all * before you ask... yet you must ask, seek and knock. Humble yourself and with faith you will be counted righteous.... surely He hears the prayers of the righteous... if He loves the sinners and reprobates and is most merciful ( the sinner on the cross), sending his only begotten Son into the world, and the Helper as promised, then He hears the righteous. Those in the good books pray for that which He desires. So what does He want from you, not what you want from Him. As you please Him ( faithful, loving, kind, etc... then as written * he knows what you need and desire.33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
I'm aware of that. It still reminds of the greeks chants because the roman chants of this time was inspired from the Greeks. Listen to the Greek hymns and you will notice similarities. It is quite interesting!
+Kralperri Stare śpiewy lłacińskie nie sa ispirowane greckimi chymnami przypominam że kościuł był wtedy jednością i tak wtedy śpiewanio. Potem wyodrebnił sie śpiew gregorjański.
TheRzymianin That's and "Old Roman" chants so it means same for old greek chants too. Nothing different between byzantine and roman before 5th century.
After doing some more research,I agree with those who replied to my comment.It's amazing how much you can be in error about a subject you think you know a lot about.
I have a question for anyone who can answer me , does enough of the repertory of these chants survive in order to compose a proper catholic mass with them? It would be amazing if these could be used in a mass
@DLBBAM That's the Capella Palatina in Palermo, Sicily. It was built by the Normans in the 11th Century (different group from William the Conqueror - The Hautevilles). The chapel is a fusion of a western cathedral with byzantine mosaics and islamic woodworking - fitting for being in Sicily - perhaps the most invaded island in History.
Clamavi de tribulatione mea ad Dominum, et exaudivit me: DE VENTRE INFERI CLAMAVI, et exaudisti vocem meam et proiecisti me in profundum, in corde maris, et flumen circumdedit me: omnes gurgites Tui et fluctus Tui super me transierunt. ET EGO DIXI: ABIECTUS SUM A CONSPECTU OCULORUM TUORUM, VERUNTAMEN RURSUS VIDEBO TEMPLUM SANCTUM TUUM.
1:49 and 2:05 sound like a primitive tune (sound/fluctuation?) which the east Romans later emphasised in the Cherubiko. But just speculation! Ive haven't studied this area much.
I am an ecumenical protestant, but even I weep for how much the faith has lost due to schisms and heresy. This sort of music will surly come back, but I fear it will not be in my time. I can only pray that the modernist phase will be washed away beneath the crimson tide of Christ's blood!
Hello my brother in Christ, I beg you to return to the ancient Roman church, Christ's mystical bride on Earth "You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone." James 2:24 Paul does indeed say that man is not saved by works of the law. But he was referring to works of the mosaic law that Christians born Jews demanded new Christians obey. Paul also say "Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you." 1 Cornthians 11:2 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it Matt 16:18 I encourage you to read Revelation 12:1-17, to see the queenship of the Virgin Mary And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." Luke 22:19 This is the most important point of all. The Eucharist is the true body and blood of Jesus Christ, Christ was born in Bethlehem, the house of bread in Hebrew. Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. John 6:52-53 I encourage you to read the Apostolic Fathers, especially the matry St Ignatius of Antioch, who writing in 107AD to the Romans say, "“Bread of God is what I desire; that is, the Flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for my drink I desire His Blood, that is; incorruptible love.”" My brother, it is the Mass that matters
John M That is the truth, a truth I am willing to die for. In these troubled times may the constant intersection of St Thomas More and St John Fisher and all the other martyrs and saints comfort us.
Wow, so if this is Roman and I think of Jewish, Arabian and Christian religious music I know from the middle ages, it seems to me like all three focused on different aspects of this kind of music, from roughly this point in time. The Christians seem to have focused more on the harmony and chords and were trying to create more reverb in the buildings where they sang (think Avé Maria or something similar), Arabs seem to have been more into the solo parts, one very melodious player hitting a lot of notes (like the minarets singing the verses of the Quran) and perfecting their buildings for that, and the Jews sound to me like they were more into the folk music and dancing provoking parts (like the song hava nagila and so).
The melody isn´t asdifficult as the bycantine choral. The reason is the western tone-system which has only 12 different tones. The greek music has a lot of more tone-steps.
The words you posted are exactly the words sung at Graduale for the birthday feast ("natalis") of one sole Confessor and Bishop as I found in a Missal for the Use of the Church of York ("ecclesia Erboracensis"). I am sorry that I cannot post the link as my the widget refuses to post my comment with the link in it...
PRAY LIKE THIS; "Heavenly Father, help me to respect and to love your Name, God. Assist me in never using Your Name irreverently or in vain." "Heavenly Father, Divine Patriarch of all people and all nations, place in my heart a deep and abiding love for You and Your Commandments. Never let me stray from Your Divine Will for me. Have mercy upon me. Amen."
jesus says not to use repeated prayers.. yet that is all you people do... he also says not to pray in public... yet that is all you people do.. you all don't take instruction very well, do you...??
@@alahatzaifat1872 But he tells us to specifically pray the Our Father, repeated prayer, and even so, that is NOT all that we people do. We pray in private most of the time, so clearly, that is NOT all that we people do. You're not very good at understanding context or your purposefully ignoring it so that you can continue to shit on us and our beliefs judging by that cringe filled avatar of yours.
Wonderfully spiritually powerful music. O what beauty we've thrown to the dogs in the west! They've stolen my indigenous culture from me and replaced it with malevolent, vacuous, artless insipidness. How much longer must the few, brave, remaining faithful endure?
Blake Willey Don't count us out Bro, there are still plenty of people here in the West who appreciate the "Gift of Beauty"; The problem is that the cultural filtering process here is different...and slower.
I like this kind of songs. Thanks so much for this video. Please, could you indicate what was key words you used in Google? I want get the the same art figures used in the video. Or perhaps the URL where you took how reference. Thanks in advance.
Orthodox church is exactly the same since 1st Century, you should attend once in such church at a Greek Orthodox Church and enjoy the profound Liturgy there, you would wish it would never end.
I wish the Catholic church was like this but it isn't anymore.My mom use to tell me when she was in Catholic grade school that they had to learn all their prayers in Latin.What a shame to neglect such a rich language and early church culture.I went to Catholic Mass last week and it wasn't even close to this type of liturgy.
It shoud be mentioned that during the early Christian period,the Roman(Imperial) Catholic Church was based not in Rome,but in Constantiople.The Pope wasn't even the "offical" head of the church then.It was the Eastern Roman Emperor who was(with the Patriarch acting as his liason).All matters involving Church cannon came from the East.Rome was simply a provincial capital and the Pope as the Bishop of Rome had little say in chruch doctrine.That's the main reason why this sounds Byzantine in tone.
No it did not, the patriarch of Rome was Protos among all patriarchs, second Rome was just where Constantine built the first Basilica of St. Peter, he didn't build it in constantinople, he built it in Rome. The Pontifus Maximus was the boss of the Patriarch in Constantinople.
Greek was spoken in Rome for a long time too don't forget. I disagree with you on the authority of the Bishop of Rome though. There were many times Rome had to rescue the East from heresies and such. He made rulings on things like the validity of heretics' baptism which were accepted by the Church; he excommunicated the Asiatics (yes he was criticized for this but he did have authority to do it). You also have the curious exclamations of bishops saying that "Peter has spoken through Agatho!" etc
I'll be brief brother, the Pope is not the head of the church, Christ is. The Pope is His vicar and his prime minister. The Pope was alaays involved, and most doctrinal issues needed the Pope's permission to be accepted.
Yes, they needed the Pope's permission because Christ had said: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:18)" as well as: "Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. (Matthew 16:19, Matthew 18:18)" Moreover, for example in the revelations of st. Faustina Jesus repeatedly told her to be obedient to her confessor and to the Church and not to seek her own will.
@@Baltie3 ту же власть Христос дал всем апостолом, а не только Петру. *Истинно говорю вам: что вы свяжете на земле, то будет связано на небе; и что разрешите на земле, то будет разрешено на небе * Matthew 18:18 Пётр не был епископом города Рима. И первым он основал Антиохийскую кафедру, а не Римскую. Сам Пётр не председательствовал на 1м Апостольском соборе в Иерусалиме. Пётр не был безгрешен в основах веры и нравственности, его обличал апостол Павел. Пётр исполнял повеления собора, а не руководил им.
I'm officially an agnostic, but I still pray sometimes, and when I do, it's only to this sort of music. This is, and always will be superior to modern christian rock and all those stupid youth group bands in those crappy fundamentalist churches.
During early Chrisian period the church was truly catholic, universal (there was no "other head-pope). Pope wasn't the head of Church. Because truly head is a Jesus. He was primus inter pares. Before The Great Schism Church life has unique sights but in general was common between east and west. "That is why it sounds Byzantie in tone"
This is definitely an early cristian hymn sounding like almost every other byzantine christian orthodox hymn. Nothing at all to do with Rome, as roman music, continously interacting with greek music was polyphionic. Classical music is polyphonic and has it's roots in that older music tradition. What we are listening to, here, is a monophonic (or should I say catatonic) RANT. It's mainly influenced by jewish religious music, if not completely replicating it. I need a Bach pill after this.
Lyrics (Psalm 89:20) : "Inveni David, servum meum; oleo sancto meo unxi eum" "I have found David, my servant; I have annointed him with my holy oil;" Well, a group of men, locked up in monastic life, picking this verse in particular & out of context, & singing it the most loudly possible... no need to be Freud ain't it...
As a catholic. Why do we follow idols like a cross and follow priests who wear sliks . When the bible says don't follow idols and men in silk and robes. How many civilisations did the church kill to make them believe in jesus
Cross is a symbol of Christ's voluntary sacrifice made for our salvation. When He, being God, died, he destroyed death, and made possible for his beloved people to live forever, as intentended from the beginning. Therefore, cross is not only a symbol of His sacrifice and victory, but also a reminder for all of us that, in order to be like our Lord and with our Lord, we must carry the weight of our own cross, which is different for every individual. Cross is nothing more than a symbol of sacrifice, and without a sacrifice, there is no faith. Silk and robes? Well, it came to the church gradually, with time, but i think people who wear it are more important than the robes itself. Jesus sent his apostles to teach people, to spread His word, to cure the sick etc. He sent them the Holy Spirit, to give them the ability to do all that. Thats how the Church was made. First apostles then "made" (idk the right word in english) other apostles and so on, until today. So yeah, despite silk and robes, todays priests are the right men to follow. Offcourse, I'm not saying that all of them are good, but in general, they are the men chosen by the God.
And in the history of Orthodox Christianity (the only true), there were no forced mass conversions and genocides. Catholics did all those, even to their Orthodox brothers in Christ.
@@duh_istine you are wrong there my friend.. the orthodox did forced and mass conversions.. where do you think the pagan peoples of those lands went?? They were annihilated by the early church.. they also had a practice of blood libel... Blood libel or ritual murder libel (also blood accusation)[1][2] is an antisemitic canard[3][4][5] accusing Jews of murdering Christian children in order to use their blood as part of religious rituals.[1][2][6] Historically, these claims-alongside those of well poisoning and host desecration-have been a major theme of the persecution of Jews in Europe.[4] Blood libels typically claim that Jews require human blood for the baking of matzos for Passover, although this element was allegedly absent in the earliest cases which claimed that then-contemporary Jews reenacted the crucifixion. The accusations often assert that the blood of the children of Christians is especially coveted, and, historically, blood libel claims have been made in order to account for the otherwise unexplained deaths of children. In some cases, the alleged victim of human sacrifice has become venerated as a Christian martyr. Three of these - William of Norwich, Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln, and Simon of Trent - became objects of local cults and veneration, and in some cases they were added to the General Roman Calendar.[who?] One, Gabriel of Białystok, was canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church. or maybe this?? Persecution of Old Believers in Russia, with some old believers being murdered, many more facing persecution, and thousands fleeing Russia for Siberia or the New World. I am no expert in this but, while murderous, this is less murderous than a lot of religious persecutions. Also, many Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox clerics supported violent antisemitism, compared to Western Europe, the Orthodox Churches were more mixed in their treatment of Jews. The support of the Church for the 1967 military coup and subsequent nondemocratic governments. While it was clearly not led by the Church, the Church had a close relationship with the juntas. Important slogans from this period include "Greece for Christian Greeks" and "Religion, Family, Tradition". Though it's worth noting that shortly after the coup, the military made Archbishop Chrysostomos II resign and replaced him with Archbishop Ieronymos I, who was more coup friendly. Some have implicated the Serbian Orthodox church for its role in the violence and ethnic cleansings that characterized the break up of Yugoslavia. So don't think the orthodox are so holy....
@@duh_istine really?? Have you researched the history of your church?? I have.. and these are historical facts. I pulled them from credible sources... your assertions that I am supplying 'alleged' stories on the other hand are just that.. assertions. So, tell me, how did the early church get those lovely people who were there before them to become xtian and abandon their faiths and their gods etc.??
Hey everyone, do u know wat would be cool, if we all begged the pope to allow the templar order to be reinstated and they were able to help us in afghanistan and iraq, not like knights, but like ultimate special forces, then we could rub it in to pathetic geroups like muslims against crusades and al queda, am i right people?
@JLHOWARD40 & Aigle9223 :
The official language of the Eastern Roman Empire was latin until the beginning of the 7th Century, although, being in the east, the largest part of the population used greek as vernacular. The educated and the scholars did use latin, a tradition that began to wane after Greek became the official language of the State.
The profundity of this chant, and the seriousness of its spiritual fervor, only brings home more powerfully what we have lost in the Roman Tradition since the 60's. This is "food for the soul"; now they give us cotton candy! Gratias frater et Pax.
Arbiter Veritatis You are being generous when you say "cotton candy"...but it is something we must endure.
@@jamesmartello1 if you're american, kiss my ass you servant of Satan!
iKnow what your photo is, orwell wannabe.... go light your farts, you won't Gaslight this catholique.
Jimmy Martello
We actually don’t have to endure; my patience with trying to rationalize Vatican 1 in spite of the Mountain is Errors from Vatican 2 is at an end. If this “Amazon Synod” in particular doesn’t convince you that Popes can, indeed, teach error, then you will believe anything. The only Hope for Western Tradition now is Western Orthodoxy. Apart from a few minor elements from Trent, and the second and third phases of Gothic Architecture, Orthodox Antioch has wiped clean the innovations of the last 800 years, and we can now practice our faith as if there had been no Schism.
pjlu2
Saint Tikhon had a rather more optimistic view on America’s potential. Perhaps you should reconsider such an attitude.
You my friend speak truth! This is just divine music, it's all I listen to, and my days are always full of peace. Keep praying brother, and never cease from listening to this music, it's good for your soul! God bless you bother.
One of the most beautiful psalms. Greetings from Poland
I am not sure about the date of composition but it was in use from roughly 7th century AD to 13th century AD. I'd say, lacking evidential data and as a rough guess, considering the style that it was composed during the early to mid 7th century. Next week I will be posting a 12th century transcription of an ancient (6th-7th century) Byzantine chant that has certain similarities to old Roman chants like this one.
When Rome was orthodox
@@emmanuellebediat1653 When "orthodox" were actually orthodox (hence catholics)
thats the first steps to becomeing religous honestly i myself was raised catholic but i did take the chance to explore my christian counsins churches and its just not the same there is something spiritually different and when i listen to chants i feel closer to God
Ravenna, Italy, from the old churches of the city, San Vitale, Sant Apollinare Nuovo, Sant Apollinare in Classe, Battistero Neoniano etc.
Mistrzostwo Wszechświata! Ta pieśń jest cudowna. Co za wokal! Toż to przedsionek Niebios! Ja chcę do Nieba!
And we are slowly reclaiming that heritage after a long period of turmoil in the Church. Thank the holy father for his motu proprio, Summorum Pontificum. The Latin Mass is becoming very widely available (it was never abrogated, it was just unfortunately repressed...). I'm going to a Latin mass and a glorious Gothic parish Church this Sunday... it's beautiful!
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@Doge di Amalfi that already happened to Rome in 1054.
@Doge di Amalfi "old rite in Russia" ??? what are you referring ? Rite in Russia is unchanged from the days of Christ's last supper 'cause Russia is orthodox....what catholics ? Orthodox are catholics ..you wanted to say "roman - catholics" ??
@Doge di Amalfi Shut up papist - heretic
Text
inveni David servum meum in oleo sancto meo linui eum
manus enim mea auxiliabitur ei et brachium meum confirmabit eum
nihil proficiet inimicus in eo et filius iniquitatis non nocebit ei
English Text
I have found David my servant: with my holy oil I have anointed him.
For my hand shall help him: and my arm shall strengthen him.
The enemy shall have no advantage over him: nor the son of iniquity have power to hurt him.
et filius iniquitatis non nocebit ei*
But thank you for the comment anyways I searched it and liked it
Have no power to hurt him! Blessed Father! Who anointed his valiant king!
Amen
David had great potential and while he obeyed God's commandaments and lived righteously God blessed him and prospered him and made him a rich man and a king, but when he became rich David started to forget God and forgot to master his passions and this put him in the hands of the adversary.
And then the adversary, the son of iniquity ended up having power over David because he let his soul fill with lust over another man's wife, and that same lust also drove him to murder the man.
To Mount Athos they still sing these Chants
@acerb45666555 Not quite, this is actually Old Roman from the 6th century and earlier and that is why it is in Latin. There is no "orthodox" chanting. Byzantine and Gregorian and other variations developed since the 5th century AD from this original style, long before the schism.
Dieu n'est rien pour moi mais j'admire et vénère les chants des hommes dont il est l'inspirateur !
@JLHOWARD40 Since this is a very old Catholic chant, I'm not surprised that it's influenced by Eastern Christianity, as the Byzantines had had a very significant cultural impact on Italy in the early Medieval ages.
Thank you very much for posting there great music. Im 14 years old and i love all these musics! =)
You must be 22 now , hope you still have faith
Wow, today you're an adult
And yes these musics are marvelous
Two words define this music, SIMPLY BEAUTIFUL
Marvelous! Organum does such a great job to sing this holy music !
its a marvel how all music came from music like this. you would have you thought it would have gotten better
@Callixtinus I've was blessed to have had the chance to visit the Holy Churches of Ravenna. I stood in San Vitale and marveled. I highly recommend a visit to anyone who wants to see some of the most wonderful churches in the world.
If you like these chants - the true remaining Church is still singing them in the East - our Holy Orthodox faith has preserved this spiritual way of glorifying our Lord. No musical instruments, just the beauty of prayer...
+Assen Andonov . GIve me a break. That sort of language is what's brought us to this sorry state of east versus west; while we should both be standing together against the savagery of bloody, evil, satanic islam.
I would politely point out that nearly all the heresies of the past 2000 years have come from the east: Nestorianism, Arianism, Gnosticism etc... and only through Rome, acting and keeping Truth, were these errors purged from Christendom.
I must add that the west's abandonment of the Byzantium East is a point of eternal shame, but let's look forward to dialogue and reunification under Christ. All of Europe and the west faces a much larger and truly evil threat from the muslims and their evil migrating horde.
Correct!
Assen Andonov
Thanks
Filoque, Papal supremacy, Tomas D'aquina and many other basic parts of the catholic theology are heresy. Saints of the last few centuries, with Holy Relics, have made this clear. Many signs were also given over the history of Christianity. The fact that some great Saints Holy Fathers were in Rome at the time of the early Church and the heresies does not make the post Schism Catholic church correct in any way.
This is the truth and the countless miracle workers of the east and Holy relics attest to this, as well as the fact that in the west, salt is used in holy water, while in the east it lasts for YEARS without anything.
Matei Basarab If that's the case, why has God allow Islam to nearly wipe out the Orthodox Church. Look, our problem is not filioque or Papal X or Y, it's standing together, for Christ in the face of demonic Islam and its evil followers
King David, Pray for me!
Inveni David servum meum,
oleo sancto meo unxi eum.
Manus enim mea auxiliabitur ei
et brachium meum confortabit eum.
Alleluja.
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enjoy
You error. King David cannot pray for you. What happened to King Saul and his son when they said and did what you have just said? Samuel or not...what did he say? The bible teaches to pray only to the Father and that there is One mediator, only one... anything you ask in my name... none other.
Trad itionalgirl
And you have an advocate, always and forever whilst you breath and are in the land of the living, the Comforter...The Holy Spirit if you are born again or blessed Apostle John and others who were granted the gift in their mothers womb. The whole idea is a PERSONAL relationship. You must believe He sees, hears and knows all * before you ask... yet you must ask, seek and knock. Humble yourself and with faith you will be counted righteous.... surely He hears the prayers of the righteous... if He loves the sinners and reprobates and is most merciful ( the sinner on the cross), sending his only begotten Son into the world, and the Helper as promised, then He hears the righteous. Those in the good books pray for that which He desires. So what does He want from you, not what you want from Him. As you please Him ( faithful, loving, kind, etc... then as written * he knows what you need and desire.33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
te amo
@@brucetonkin9032 I am aware. I love God's people. There is nothing wrong with that. King David is a beautiful soul. I love his Psalms
This chant carries an orthodox spirit... From which musical or religious tradition where the early Christians influenced ?
Their music was a mix of Jewish liturgical music and certain aspects of Ancient Greek music.
If this appeals to you, take a listen to Georgian music. Obviously tapping into very ancient and moving traditions. Look up the Basiani Ensemble!
This is amazing! It reminds much of the greek chants!
This is chant Rom Catholik Church not greek
I'm aware of that. It still reminds of the greeks chants because the roman chants of this time was inspired from the Greeks. Listen to the Greek hymns and you will notice similarities. It is quite interesting!
+Kralperri Stare śpiewy lłacińskie nie sa ispirowane greckimi chymnami przypominam że kościuł był wtedy jednością i tak wtedy śpiewanio. Potem wyodrebnił sie śpiew gregorjański.
Yes but early christianity in 5th/6th century was very similar. Differencies were appreciable a few centuries later.
TheRzymianin That's and "Old Roman" chants so it means same for old greek chants too. Nothing different between byzantine and roman before 5th century.
After doing some more research,I agree with those who replied to my comment.It's amazing how much you can be in error about a subject you think you know a lot about.
ΚΥΡΙΕ ΕΛΕΗΣΟΝ ΜΑΣ
Boa tarde.
Só entendo em português, mas gosto de ouvir.
Muitas coisas da pra entender.❤️❤️
Beautiful
Amazin. DEM sadana aka Diablo bashdoghz wake mi when I am in DEEP sleep. I in Mexico y'all know.
merci
Piękne, beautiful.
Im ready to go home .
me too
I have a question for anyone who can answer me , does enough of the repertory of these chants survive in order to compose a proper catholic mass with them? It would be amazing if these could be used in a mass
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Esta es una misa que utiliza el canto Antiguo Romano.
@DLBBAM That's the Capella Palatina in Palermo, Sicily. It was built by the Normans in the 11th Century (different group from William the Conqueror - The Hautevilles). The chapel is a fusion of a western cathedral with byzantine mosaics and islamic woodworking - fitting for being in Sicily - perhaps the most invaded island in History.
So Beautiful
Clamavi de tribulatione mea
ad Dominum, et exaudivit me:
DE VENTRE INFERI CLAMAVI,
et exaudisti vocem meam
et proiecisti me in profundum,
in corde maris,
et flumen circumdedit me:
omnes gurgites Tui et fluctus Tui super me transierunt.
ET EGO DIXI: ABIECTUS SUM A CONSPECTU OCULORUM TUORUM, VERUNTAMEN RURSUS VIDEBO TEMPLUM SANCTUM TUUM.
Beautiful
Я нашел Давида, слугу Моего;
Я помазал его Своим святым маслом.
Моя рука поможет ему,
И Моя рука укрепит его.
Аллилуиа.
DOSKONAŁE
DZIĘKUJĘ!
I agree well said
oh ok awesome! i look forward to hearing the new chants coming! thanks for the info
Lepo je, Slava Bogu!
es ist deus meus gloriosus
1:49 and 2:05 sound like a primitive tune (sound/fluctuation?) which the east Romans later emphasised in the Cherubiko. But just speculation! Ive haven't studied this area much.
I am an ecumenical protestant, but even I weep for how much the faith has lost due to schisms and heresy. This sort of music will surly come back, but I fear it will not be in my time. I can only pray that the modernist phase will be washed away beneath the crimson tide of Christ's blood!
Soon, Christianity will be united once again, however not the way men plan but God...
Come to the Orthodox Church, we are here unchanged, and will continue to be so until the end of the times, gloury to God.
Hello my brother in Christ, I beg you to return to the ancient Roman church, Christ's mystical bride on Earth
"You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone." James 2:24
Paul does indeed say that man is not saved by works of the law. But he was referring to works of the mosaic law that Christians born Jews demanded new Christians obey.
Paul also say "Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you." 1 Cornthians 11:2
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it Matt 16:18
I encourage you to read Revelation 12:1-17, to see the queenship of the Virgin Mary
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." Luke 22:19
This is the most important point of all. The Eucharist is the true body and blood of Jesus Christ, Christ was born in Bethlehem, the house of bread in Hebrew.
Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. John 6:52-53
I encourage you to read the Apostolic Fathers, especially the matry St Ignatius of Antioch, who writing in 107AD to the Romans say, "“Bread of God is what I desire; that is, the Flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for my drink I desire His Blood, that is; incorruptible love.”"
My brother, it is the Mass that matters
John M That is the truth, a truth I am willing to die for. In these troubled times may the constant intersection of St Thomas More and St John Fisher and all the other martyrs and saints comfort us.
@@alduin69unchanged? 😂 15 independent bodies whose patriarchs cannot agree on what color the sky is?
I realy would enjoy this more if I was in time that was originaly made xD is so beutifull
...glory to God in the highest and peace to his people on earth! 😇😘🙏👼👣💪✌
Wow, so if this is Roman and I think of Jewish, Arabian and Christian religious music I know from the middle ages, it seems to me like all three focused on different aspects of this kind of music, from roughly this point in time. The Christians seem to have focused more on the harmony and chords and were trying to create more reverb in the buildings where they sang (think Avé Maria or something similar), Arabs seem to have been more into the solo parts, one very melodious player hitting a lot of notes (like the minarets singing the verses of the Quran) and perfecting their buildings for that, and the Jews sound to me like they were more into the folk music and dancing provoking parts (like the song hava nagila and so).
wow i love it
The melody isn´t asdifficult as the bycantine choral. The reason is the western tone-system which has only 12 different tones. The greek music has a lot of more tone-steps.
Is this Latin? Or Greek? The artwork is confusing. Does anyone have a translation?
Its latin
The words you posted are exactly the words sung at Graduale for the birthday feast ("natalis") of one sole Confessor and Bishop as I found in a Missal for the Use of the Church of York ("ecclesia Erboracensis"). I am sorry that I cannot post the link as my the widget refuses to post my comment with the link in it...
Deu. Merci. Pour. Ton. Amour. Amen ❤
PRAY LIKE THIS;
"Heavenly Father, help me to respect and to love your Name, God. Assist me in never using Your Name irreverently or in vain."
"Heavenly Father, Divine Patriarch of all people and all nations, place in my heart a deep and abiding love for You and Your Commandments. Never let me stray from Your Divine Will for me. Have mercy upon me. Amen."
jesus says not to use repeated prayers.. yet that is all you people do... he also says not to pray in public... yet that is all you people do.. you all don't take instruction very well, do you...??
@@alahatzaifat1872 But he tells us to specifically pray the Our Father, repeated prayer, and even so, that is NOT all that we people do. We pray in private most of the time, so clearly, that is NOT all that we people do. You're not very good at understanding context or your purposefully ignoring it so that you can continue to shit on us and our beliefs judging by that cringe filled avatar of yours.
if only there will be the text...
is very estearn orthodox !
so beautiful.. Thank you so much. BTW, speaking of the breathtaking images, where are they from?
O Deus coniunge ecclesias tuas in unam
@Fdxtejaocalados your not the only one ;D
Exceeds expectations.
God bless all Christians.
Wonderfully spiritually powerful music. O what beauty we've thrown to the dogs in the west! They've stolen my indigenous culture from me and replaced it with malevolent, vacuous, artless insipidness. How much longer must the few, brave, remaining faithful endure?
Blake Willey Don't count us out Bro, there are still plenty of people here in the West who appreciate the "Gift of Beauty"; The problem is that the cultural filtering process here is different...and slower.
+Blake Willey How is this stealing? This is Latin. The language of Rome. As in, the definitive Western culture.
it's still lives for those who search for it.
I agree
I like this kind of songs. Thanks so much for this video. Please, could you indicate what was key words you used in Google? I want get the the same art figures used in the video. Or perhaps the URL where you took how reference. Thanks in advance.
Gens Romana
Vicit Leo de Tribu Juda
Radix David
Alleluja
Benedictus XVI
Я нашел Давида, Моего слугу,
и Моим святым маслом помазал его.
Рука Моя пребудет с ним,
и мышца Моя укрепит его.
Псалтирь 88:21-22.
you could have posted the lyrics too
It is the catholic church.I recommend you the book How the Catholic churche built Western Civilization by Thomas woods is really good..God bless.
Gracias Saludos
Byzantine music still sounds like this today
Orthodox church is exactly the same since 1st Century, you should attend once in such church at a Greek Orthodox Church and enjoy the profound Liturgy there, you would wish it would never end.
Hogwash!
Where can i download this?
I wish the Catholic church was like this but it isn't anymore.My mom use to tell me when she was in Catholic grade school that they had to learn all their prayers in Latin.What a shame to neglect such a rich language and early church culture.I went to Catholic Mass last week and it wasn't even close to this type of liturgy.
Thanks for sharing the spirit of God its a blessing to bring peace
Yeah i guess it has taken a toll on the church.
the language in wich they sing is latin
It shoud be mentioned that during the early Christian period,the Roman(Imperial) Catholic Church was based not in Rome,but in Constantiople.The Pope wasn't even the "offical" head of the church then.It was the Eastern Roman Emperor who was(with the Patriarch acting as his liason).All matters involving Church cannon came from the East.Rome was simply a provincial capital and the Pope as the Bishop of Rome had little say in chruch doctrine.That's the main reason why this sounds Byzantine in tone.
No it did not, the patriarch of Rome was Protos among all patriarchs, second Rome was just where Constantine built the first Basilica of St. Peter, he didn't build it in constantinople, he built it in Rome. The Pontifus Maximus was the boss of the Patriarch in Constantinople.
does this song have a date when it was composed?
What is the church displayed around the 2 minute mark?
Greek was spoken in Rome for a long time too don't forget. I disagree with you on the authority of the Bishop of Rome though. There were many times Rome had to rescue the East from heresies and such. He made rulings on things like the validity of heretics' baptism which were accepted by the Church; he excommunicated the Asiatics (yes he was criticized for this but he did have authority to do it). You also have the curious exclamations of bishops saying that "Peter has spoken through Agatho!" etc
stimmt
This was when music was about devotion and praise, now its about sex, drugs and money, most of today's artists are bad
I'll be brief brother, the Pope is not the head of the church, Christ is. The Pope is His vicar and his prime minister. The Pope was alaays involved, and most doctrinal issues needed the Pope's permission to be accepted.
Exatamente!
Yes, they needed the Pope's permission because Christ had said: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:18)" as well as: "Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. (Matthew 16:19, Matthew 18:18)" Moreover, for example in the revelations of st. Faustina Jesus repeatedly told her to be obedient to her confessor and to the Church and not to seek her own will.
The LAST authorities on things like this were the 12 Apostles and they died Centuries ago! The Pope is a usurper
Justice for Orthodoxy I think you misread the quote above.
@@Baltie3 ту же власть Христос дал всем апостолом, а не только Петру. *Истинно говорю вам: что вы свяжете на земле, то будет связано на небе; и что разрешите на земле, то будет разрешено на небе
* Matthew 18:18
Пётр не был епископом города Рима. И первым он основал Антиохийскую кафедру, а не Римскую. Сам Пётр не председательствовал на 1м Апостольском соборе в Иерусалиме. Пётр не был безгрешен в основах веры и нравственности, его обличал апостол Павел. Пётр исполнял повеления собора, а не руководил им.
no one has the lyrics??
I'm officially an agnostic, but I still pray sometimes, and when I do, it's only to this sort of music. This is, and always will be superior to modern christian rock and all those stupid youth group bands in those crappy fundamentalist churches.
During early Chrisian period the church was truly catholic, universal (there was no "other head-pope). Pope wasn't the head of Church. Because truly head is a Jesus. He was primus inter pares.
Before The Great Schism Church life has unique sights but in general was common between east and west. "That is why it sounds Byzantie in tone"
@CristiandadRevelada
More accurately: there was a Catholic Church (katholiki ekklisia) confessing an Orthodox (i.e. right/true) faith.
@simplicity171 church latin, not classical
They are doing throating too. Its common in shaman traditions especially for Turks it was essential in their music, before Islam of course.
The spirit of Gods word not the spirit of war is the true crusade.
Amén!
This is definitely an early cristian hymn sounding like almost every other byzantine christian orthodox hymn. Nothing at all to do with Rome, as roman music, continously interacting with greek music was polyphionic. Classical music is polyphonic and has it's roots in that older music tradition. What we are listening to, here, is a monophonic (or should I say catatonic) RANT. It's mainly influenced by jewish religious music, if not completely replicating it. I need a Bach pill after this.
@lukewind13 =D
SPQR
Go to an Orthodox church and attend Holy Liturgy , and you will find it!
Lysandros or Byzantine Catholic
Lyrics (Psalm 89:20) : "Inveni David, servum meum; oleo sancto meo unxi eum"
"I have found David, my servant; I have annointed him with my holy oil;"
Well, a group of men, locked up in monastic life, picking this verse in particular & out of context, & singing it the most loudly possible... no need to be Freud ain't it...
As a catholic. Why do we follow idols like a cross and follow priests who wear sliks . When the bible says don't follow idols and men in silk and robes. How many civilisations did the church kill to make them believe in jesus
Cross is a symbol of Christ's voluntary sacrifice made for our salvation. When He, being God, died, he destroyed death, and made possible for his beloved people to live forever, as intentended from the beginning. Therefore, cross is not only a symbol of His sacrifice and victory, but also a reminder for all of us that, in order to be like our Lord and with our Lord, we must carry the weight of our own cross, which is different for every individual. Cross is nothing more than a symbol of sacrifice, and without a sacrifice, there is no faith. Silk and robes? Well, it came to the church gradually, with time, but i think people who wear it are more important than the robes itself. Jesus sent his apostles to teach people, to spread His word, to cure the sick etc. He sent them the Holy Spirit, to give them the ability to do all that. Thats how the Church was made. First apostles then "made" (idk the right word in english) other apostles and so on, until today. So yeah, despite silk and robes, todays priests are the right men to follow. Offcourse, I'm not saying that all of them are good, but in general, they are the men chosen by the God.
And in the history of Orthodox Christianity (the only true), there were no forced mass conversions and genocides. Catholics did all those, even to their Orthodox brothers in Christ.
@@duh_istine you are wrong there my friend.. the orthodox did forced and mass conversions.. where do you think the pagan peoples of those lands went?? They were annihilated by the early church.. they also had a practice of blood libel...
Blood libel or ritual murder libel (also blood accusation)[1][2] is an antisemitic canard[3][4][5] accusing Jews of murdering Christian children in order to use their blood as part of religious rituals.[1][2][6] Historically, these claims-alongside those of well poisoning and host desecration-have been a major theme of the persecution of Jews in Europe.[4]
Blood libels typically claim that Jews require human blood for the baking of matzos for Passover, although this element was allegedly absent in the earliest cases which claimed that then-contemporary Jews reenacted the crucifixion. The accusations often assert that the blood of the children of Christians is especially coveted, and, historically, blood libel claims have been made in order to account for the otherwise unexplained deaths of children. In some cases, the alleged victim of human sacrifice has become venerated as a Christian martyr. Three of these - William of Norwich, Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln, and Simon of Trent - became objects of local cults and veneration, and in some cases they were added to the General Roman Calendar.[who?] One, Gabriel of Białystok, was canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church. or maybe this??
Persecution of Old Believers in Russia, with some old believers being murdered, many more facing persecution, and thousands fleeing Russia for Siberia or the New World. I am no expert in this but, while murderous, this is less murderous than a lot of religious persecutions. Also, many Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox clerics supported violent antisemitism, compared to Western Europe, the Orthodox Churches were more mixed in their treatment of Jews.
The support of the Church for the 1967 military coup and subsequent nondemocratic governments. While it was clearly not led by the Church, the Church had a close relationship with the juntas. Important slogans from this period include "Greece for Christian Greeks" and "Religion, Family, Tradition". Though it's worth noting that shortly after the coup, the military made Archbishop Chrysostomos II resign and replaced him with Archbishop Ieronymos I, who was more coup friendly.
Some have implicated the Serbian Orthodox church for its role in the violence and ethnic cleansings that characterized the break up of Yugoslavia.
So don't think the orthodox are so holy....
@@alahatzaifat1872 You just wrote a lot of alleged stories, not actual facts
@@duh_istine really?? Have you researched the history of your church?? I have.. and these are historical facts. I pulled them from credible sources... your assertions that I am supplying 'alleged' stories on the other hand are just that.. assertions.
So, tell me, how did the early church get those lovely people who were there before them to become xtian and abandon their faiths and their gods etc.??
When Rome was orthodox
if reincarnation is true......i definitely manifested into an existence without my peers.....this music rocks.....
HATE EVIL, DESTROY EVIL! WELCOME IN THE END DAYS! THE END OF HUMANS! THE HOLYDAY!
Hey everyone, do u know wat would be cool, if we all begged the pope to allow the templar order to be reinstated and they were able to help us in afghanistan and iraq, not like knights, but like ultimate special forces, then we could rub it in to pathetic geroups like muslims against crusades and al queda, am i right people?
well your awfully optimistic...
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