@metaleggman18 Vista even ran perfectly fine on a dual core amilo pi laptop with 2 gigabyte ram in 2008 or 2009. The problem was that a lot of people were on extremely old hardware not realizing their machines had technologically aged and didn't offer the needed performance.
A indeed fully buffered ram of any type will essentially heat up the space . Which is why servers are still air cooled as it makes more sense to cool the cpu's as well the ram and then the hdds or ssd's all at once with one air source. (Blade Servers) (1U - Servers) 2U - 4U systems are a but different on how they cool things as they don't have space constraints to worry about.
As a Japanese learner I can confirm that he at least knows the alphabet and some kanji , since he used it in his username and he correctly changed the keyboard to hiragana to be able to put the kanji
You DON'T have one? Probably don't have at least a 25 pound box of various USB cables either. Because you never know when you'll need one /jk Of course I have 2 boxes and a half dozen PS/2 KB.
yeah, this was an issue till about the ddr3 era in some cases. I have a phenom system that will only work with a ps/2 keyboard before you boot into the os for some reason. I think it used to work but I updated the bios and it never worked again even when I rolled it back. I did mess with usb compatibility settings too and different ports as well but nothing worked. I think the only thing I found was on a beta version you can only access the bios if you have a usb thumb drive plugged in as well which was kinda odd but oh well.
dude, I have ancient SCSI and IDE cables just in case. Literally just the day before, I had to dig deep to find my PS/2 mouse and keyboard for an old PC that contained pictures from way back (wifey did not know if these were backed up).
it more likely 16gb rather than 8gb because at that point there already motherboard that supports 8gb of ram like the g33 DDR2 version, the only problem is that the 4gb version of ddr2 are expensive and rare. the price for ddr2 4gb is around 400 to 800 dollars = 645 to 1,290 dollars in Today. and in 2006 that price it just for a single stick of ddr2,
based on the fact even ddr2 4gb is real expensive and in my area 8gb ddr2 dimms are atleast $200 aud, id say they would be more equivelant to 256GB dimms
more likely 128GB DDR5: Maximum RAM you could throw into a (common) motherboard with 2 DDR2 ram slots was 4GB. Maximum RAM you can throw into a common motherboard with 2 DDR5 ram slots is 96GB (2x48). So... 128GB (16*8GB) would be equal to 1536GB (16*96GB). Considering that you are going to use double the maximum common RAM capacity by choosing server RAM
Honestly, this was very entertaining. I just kept thinking that if you could travel back in time, you would be, hands-down, the coolest nerd in town. Heck, enterprise IT folks and research scientists would be drooling at this rig.
😅 i actually did that as a teen. My school's art department was doing a clearout and i got s hold of some computer parts from the early 2000s, which i then upcycled into some pendants for necklaces I took a hacksaw to the ram stick and made a dog's dinner of it, but at the time i thought it was the coolest jewellery in the world and wore it a lot
I never did care for aero. I always and still do disable it. I find the performance improves when it is disabled. I dislike any graphical nonsense that obscures or slows me down. Windows XP would be good on this Tyan motherboard. I'd use it to power a LSI pci-x raid card to make a IDE Raid array. Then he could test the data throughput better. Back in 2007, I salivated at getting one of those cards setup with a board supporting Pci-x. Kid of a stupid interface really as when you search for peripherals, almost nothing is made to work with that slot. Not much useful a guy can do with this board because Microsoft forces End of Life on their operating system. All the newer stuff is non compliant with older standards which makes it impossible to do much.
@pixels303at-odysee9 Even my 2007 Samsung R70 laptop with Core 2 Duo + Geforce 8600M GS ran both Win7 Aero and Linux Compiz rather smoothly and without major performance penalty.
Brings me back! In 2009, I built a small VMware cluster with IBM (maybe x3450?) servers that had the same series Xeon processors. We sold it an IaaS cloud, where you could rent a VM month by month. It was a cool project and the market for it was exceptionally small in SE Europe, but we did it anyway. Fully kitted out they came with 4GB RAM modules at 64GB per server, which was massive for the time, but we quickly realized IBM was throttling the capability of the machine by not offering (at the time) an 8GB module. So I started ordering and testing a bunch of random 8GB ECC modules until we found that a module from a 3rd party (Kingston maybe?) not even speed out as compatible with IBM - a quick upgrade and life extension followed and we had the better part of a terabyte of memory in that cluster in around 2011 before I left that company. It was a wild ride!
9:00 - for anyone else that runs into a formatting problem during install, you don't have to restart the entire system or even restart the install process after a disk clean. You can just close command prompt, click back into the install wizard, and hit refresh/f5 to rescan drives.
He could've also just pressed《🔃最新の情報に更新(R)》(which hints to the fact [Alt]+[R] should've also worked) if he didn't think of the obvious key combination. Why did he do this in Japanese again?
@true_ukrainian_patriot honestly even DDR2 is faster than swapping to regular SSD at about 6GB/s throughput. The figures in the video are probably caused by the Ramdisk weirdness, if you were to run something like Debian natively it'd work better. Perfectly usable for webserver for example, obviously not to serve hundreds of users at once but still usable. I use a 2010 era Xeon with the early DDR3 exactly like that
@illiazaitsev8503well, theoretically yes, the latest and pretty expensive ones can be faster. But even those would get potentially worn out - NAND is not a good substitute for RAM in the long term. There's also a cost factor - I use my 15y old Xeon because it was basically free and still runs, ofc I could get better performance by paying for a newer part 🤷
You'd probably get better tests using Linux on this. Windows (non-Enterprise) has a lot of limits when it comes to multithreading, pair bonding, etc. A lot of what you're trying to do on a copy of Windows Vista is going to be bottlenecked by your single core.
Yeah, I was interested in this but it's completely useless running vista. No one in their right mind is going to get a system like this and put vista on it.
@demonicsquid7217 There's quite a bit you can still do with something like this if you don't care about power efficiency or noise. You can run your own private cloud services, a suite of docker containers, private collection audio/video streaming, etc. You could also set up a home lab for syseng/neteng using the virtualized versions of the hardware.
@09simid 5.9 in Vista, 7.9 in 7. After 7 idk cause I already switched from Windows atp, but I remember the vista & 7 ones cause I was super proud of managing to hit these numbers back then lol
This machine would be great for batch pathology analysis of whole slide biopsy scans in programs like QuPath which are incredibly RAM intensive rather than CPU demanding. Even today, I’m limited by heap memory for analysis of SVS scans and there are scenarios where I’ve struggled with 64 gb. Each scan is an architecture consisting of tiled pyramid TIFFs of 40x scans which are absolutely massive and normally have to be streamed into the pathology analysis software so that they don’t consume all of your memory-especially if you have a massive project running with 30+ scans that you’re batch analyzing with scripts. This machine would shine in that environment.
Also usable for large-scale (for that era) database migrations. Load all the data into the RAM disk, configure the database to use that instead of a hard disk, and then let it rip. A couple of minutes and it's done, instead of a whole week+ of disk swapping on a machine with the 2 to 4 GB of RAM that was common back then. Things like that where it's not _just_ that the RAM was much faster than a hard drive for moving files around, but also that you never needed swap during processing.
You would be better off buying SSDs and just swapping to disk. Even a single NVME is faster than the RAM in the video. And if you set up a raid array with a dedicated pcie controller card, you can hit like 30 Gigs per second
And not just any DDR2. Fully buffered DDR2! That shit was expensive! Also, in the future, when you're faced with a power connector arrangement you're unfamiliar with, you really should probe them with your multimeter to make sure they're what you think they are. These newer ATX power supplies put out quite a lot of current on the 12v rails, and there's more than a chance you could blow a trace or a component on your fancy new board before the power supply' figures out that there's a short!
I was always a fan of multiprocessor motherboards. Years ago I've had a Tyan motherboard (like 30 years ago) it was a fantastic machine. Proper workhorse!!!
Maybe, the sequential speeds were low, because of the communication bottleneck between the 2 CPUs sharing the whole memory pool. You should try with one CPU and it's memory channels and see the difference. Also, maybe in Linux would be easier to choose the memory channels of a single CPU for the RAMdisk.
Yeah its 667mhz mem with 2 channels per cpu and a 1333mhz fsb. I dont think it had qpi and idk if they had a dedicated channel between cpus or if it interconnected over fsb... Been ages since i played with this era of stuff
2:21 for some insane reason my dad had a dual molex to CPU adapter and was using it instead of the actual CPU power. no idea why but it is no longer doing that.
Vista was actually superior to 7 in nearly every way. reason everyone hates it is because it had a higher CPU requirement than 7 (duh, new generation), but PC building companies wanted to continue selling old hardware at new prices for that sweet large profit margin. leading to horrible user experience that being said, to this day, 7 is the GOD of OS
@coeal2680 Unfortunately for you, i have to call historical BS on your comment; due to the SP3. Windows 7 SP3 is the objectively best windows version that was ever made. Because, it was functionally identical to windows 10 beta. Basically, they learned their lesson. Recent win10 today, completely debloated, is super similar still luckily. XP SP3 is also very similar, but lacks a lot of very common-sense features which was added to win7 SP3. But at least most win7 version were ok. Can't say the same for vista.
My proxmox homelab is a super micro dual 2969v4 (like 44 cores) with 320Gb of DDR4 and I'm like this dude. Idk wtf to do with all the ram. I have at least a dozen VREs and they're never up all at once
Performance would be incredibly sub-par unless you stick to light-weight LXC containers. Those Xeons, even if they have 4 cores each, are slooooow, and so are the SATA ports and PCIe lanes on that era of server motherboards.
It'd be slow due to missing some important virtualization instructions. Even though these had VT-x, VAT was needed to get near hardware-level performance. VAT was added with Nehalem
The regular limit for DDR2 was 2GB per module. The vast majority of consumer (non-server) DDR2 modules were 2GB max. As far as I remember there were 4GB modules, but those were some obscure, working only on some AMD platforms. So rare stuff. Almost all motherboards allowed only 8GB max, that's what MOBO manufacturer says on their product page. So that is 4x2GB in a system, since regular RAM capped at 2GB. And at that time, it wasn't even a problem (for consumers), since Windows XP (32bit) at least at that time allowed only for 4GB. I only added another 4GB once i switched to Windows 7/8 I am still using q9300 with 8GB of RAM the max that is/was possible for everyday consumer using DDR2. And here comes the guy with 128GB of server DDR2, let's just say, you got me interested 😳
Even with AMD getting 4 4gb udimms to work was pretty rare. My AM2 motherboard will run 4gb sticks in the first slot of each channel but to fill all 4 slots needs unicorn dimms that are 1rx8 IIRC.
There's some 4GB dimms that work on Intel even though no motherboard 'supported' it. Later 4GB dimms showed up that only worked on AMD. The ones from the video are FB-DIMMS. Costed a fortune either way
@Almashina - This. Back in 2009 I had a Gigabyte GA-G41M Combo board with a Core2Duo E7500. It had max support for 8GB DDR2 1066 or DDR3 1333, but you couldn't do mixed mode. So back then I had a 2x 4GB DDR2 kit. I had basically an upgrade path/road map where eventually I replaced that 8GB DDR2 with 8GB DDR3...then shifted to AMD with a Phenom II x6 1090T and added another 8GB for 16GB total. Was doing some video editing and photo editing as well as audio work back then--as I do now. So it's crazy watching this video with a 16-core/32-thread 5900XT and 128GB DDR4. When server/workstation grade of old becomes consumer/normal in the present.
1:05 ... stabbing happens only with these 771 boards! also got two of them and it was really strange to get injury only from these, not the hundreds of others. Maybe the weight/momentum plays a role?
I have two 2013 Mac pros. One came with 128GB of DDR3 that ran at 1033Mhz. It felt too sluggish. So I swapped them for the 64GB it’s advertised for at 1866MHz. Significant difference. The 128GB was mostly used as RAM disk to help with file transfers. Transferred super fast.
This was weirdly entertaining thank you. Those fans are loud because those are the most powerful server fans and if memory (ha!) serves me right each of them does 36 CFM which is kinda a lot considering how small they are.
this was a great video for practicing my katakana memorization also genuinely this is just really cool, i love the comical amount of ram sticks in that motherboard lmao
its only 80Watt per CPU and a total of 8 cores. thats not all that bad tbf. what isn't great, is the amount of RAM sticks, that all need individual power, each stick needing 3.3v compared to 1.5v(ddr3) or 1.3v(ddr4) or 1.2v(ddr5)🤷🏻♂ still. all that together, will not be $100 a month, that would be per year. roughly.
I can't believe this. I almost choked on my drink reading the name. If the owner was truly an otaku... they have taste in anime ngl. Dango Daikazoku ftw.
endless boot causes the system to reboot endlessly, it is usually used for testing if components can handle the electrical surge of start up repeatedly
Endless boot is for network boot applications like PXE. If the PXE server isn't ready and the server misses the PXE boot, instead of stopping at 'boot device not found', it will just keep trying forever until it works.
I just bought some ddr3, it’s still pretty cheap. DDR 4 and 5 are pretty bonkers, and I blame windows not AI. Making businesses upgrade their computers to 11 to be “secure.”
it would improve but not too much, zgc is the standard for 12gb+ of ram. usually when you need more ram is because of mods which often leads to memory leaks. also more ram means more cache misses and if using a server setup with 4 channel memory you will also add latency with the numa nodes. all things combined makes it very difficult to keep the 20tps needed, so its more about fast memory access than more memory. 10- 12gb of ram is best.
@crystal_regiment i have supermicro x7dwan with two xeon e5472, i paid a lot for 8gb of ram...within fout dimms. Cannot imagine how much ws for 128gb in 8gb (sic!) dimm...
HE HAS RAM. GET HIM
Really lil bro? Really?
@Kydenius Give it a couple more months...
0 IQ
Do you only desperately steal from others because you’re so upset at the world, that you take your anger out on normal people?
LOOK AT THIS GUY HOGGIN ALL DA RAM
The situation is so bad we are getting DDR2 reviews
😂--->😰--->😭
💀
And we be watching 😢
Brother, I bit my tongue from the laughter!
@ANSWERTHECALLOFJESUSCHRIST Are you okay?
Man the RAM shortage is getting WILD, people unboxing DDR2 now?!?
yes we going retro
128GB of DDR2 is enough to play Modern Triple A games like Doom : The Dark Ages and Oblivion Remastered
@Gizmotechnicsfair enough, do you think the "build" in this video could run stuff like cyberpunk or re9? just curious
@haghunter Of coarse. 128Gb of DDr2 is equivalent to 16 GB of DDR5
@Gizmotechnicswhat? I feel like that's nonsense you're spouting.
That GTX 770 looks beautiful, why don't manufacturers makes cards like this these days!
Do you want a card that does graphics or do you want a card that looks pretty?
Bro, when I saw that card the first thing I thought was how clean it looked 😂
@stratejic1020why not both?
@MethLord300 bucks price difference
Yeston cards exist, but design needs money, so it is at a price premium
>"What can you do with 128 GB of DDR2?"
You can make video about it.
Finally you've found a system that can properly run Windows Vista.
Lol Vista ran just fine on my Q6600, 8GB DDR2, and 8800 GTX, and I didn't even have the nicer revision Q6600 OCers preferred.
@metaleggman18 Vista even ran perfectly fine on a dual core amilo pi laptop with 2 gigabyte ram in 2008 or 2009. The problem was that a lot of people were on extremely old hardware not realizing their machines had technologically aged and didn't offer the needed performance.
@EximiusDux Yup exactly. My machines that came stock with Vista ran fine on 2 GB.
@metaleggman18They're joking. Vista was fine on way less than that. Hardly anyone had 8GB back in 2006
* Still insufficient for Windows 11 *
"What can you do with 128GB of DDR2?)
Well, if it's FB(fully buffered) ram, heat your house.
Connect it to a thermoelectric generator and it could power itself indefinitely.
@jamesanakingenius.
Does it overheat, especially the middle ones? It doesn't look like there's enough space in between for air flow.
It is FB DDR2, so they run hot. So yeah it can definitely heat up the house.
A indeed fully buffered ram of any type will essentially heat up the space . Which is why servers are still air cooled as it makes more sense to cool the cpu's as well the ram and then the hdds or ssd's all at once with one air source. (Blade Servers) (1U - Servers) 2U - 4U systems are a but different on how they cool things as they don't have space constraints to worry about.
The obvious first step to testing out the 128gb of RAM is open up 30 tabs in chrome
I have moe than 50 tabs opened in Chrome all the time...
"can it run crysis?"
I have currently 4350 open tabs in Firefox with 16GB RAM... it's bad :(
Except that vista can't even connect you to modern onternet due to lack of modern TLS protocol. Stupid to install windows on this machine
@pauladukure93its in suspended state , lamfo but how do you even navigate that even with groups and workspace thats gonna be terrible .
update: DDR2 prices now match DDR5. These scalpers are SICK PUPPIES.
Good luck to those scalpers they aren't selling any, there is barely any demand for anything below ddr3
Source?
puppys 🥺
like me
I'm low key proud of myself for immediately recognizing why your setup (BIOS) key wasn't reacting.
Im high key proud of you for knowing what lowkey even means, unc 🥺
I was thinking to myself, wait is that a USB keyboard...oh no 😅
@mohamedsakka2338lol 😀
Good ol' Legacy USB Support [Disabled]!
*slaps the side of the case*
"Yep, this baby can open 700 chrome tabs at once"
...my Firefox with tree-style-tab is in the multiples of thousand. 😶
(Win 10, 64 GB, PC from 2017)
1
What case?
@cbs1710why do you have thousands of tabs open?
@Tomsm8 To Flex
the fact that the windows language was in Japan and navigating like he knows the language is absolute cinema
Does he not know Japanese because if that's the case he had me fooled.
He's likely Japanese considering his voice.
As a Japanese learner I can confirm that he at least knows the alphabet and some kanji , since he used it in his username and he correctly changed the keyboard to hiragana to be able to put the kanji
@theosexpertdaymon2774 im Japanese and was wondering the same
bro speaks English and Windows
Note to self - don't give away all of my ancient pre-usb keyboards, keep a couple around.
You DON'T have one?
Probably don't have at least a 25 pound box of various USB cables either.
Because you never know when you'll need one /jk
Of course I have 2 boxes and a half dozen PS/2 KB.
yeah, this was an issue till about the ddr3 era in some cases. I have a phenom system that will only work with a ps/2 keyboard before you boot into the os for some reason. I think it used to work but I updated the bios and it never worked again even when I rolled it back. I did mess with usb compatibility settings too and different ports as well but nothing worked. I think the only thing I found was on a beta version you can only access the bios if you have a usb thumb drive plugged in as well which was kinda odd but oh well.
dude, I have ancient SCSI and IDE cables just in case. Literally just the day before, I had to dig deep to find my PS/2 mouse and keyboard for an old PC that contained pictures from way back (wifey did not know if these were backed up).
you can just use a cheap usb to ps2 adapter, it works fine
@milentiusgaming that didn't work for him in the video
3:50 the jet engine in the background is insane
Seeing an 8gb stick of DDR2 is so weird, it's like seeing an AGP graphics card with watercooling and RGB
8gb ddr2 is like 64gb ddr5 sticks no? that must have cost a fortune 20 years ago.
probably
it more likely 16gb rather than 8gb because at that point there already motherboard that supports 8gb of ram like the g33 DDR2 version, the only problem is that the 4gb version of ddr2 are expensive and rare.
the price for ddr2 4gb is around 400 to 800 dollars = 645 to 1,290 dollars in Today. and in 2006 that price it just for a single stick of ddr2,
based on the fact even ddr2 4gb is real expensive and in my area 8gb ddr2 dimms are atleast $200 aud, id say they would be more equivelant to 256GB dimms
Lol my server has 768gb ddr3 I can't imagine what it cost new so many dimms (4s)
more likely 128GB DDR5:
Maximum RAM you could throw into a (common) motherboard with 2 DDR2 ram slots was 4GB.
Maximum RAM you can throw into a common motherboard with 2 DDR5 ram slots is 96GB (2x48).
So... 128GB (16*8GB) would be equal to 1536GB (16*96GB). Considering that you are going to use double the maximum common RAM capacity by choosing server RAM
Finally, the ultimate Chromebook.
Why do all that when you can just download more RAM
haha very funny i wish
LOL, haven't heard that in while.
@indy197905 Me neither!
RAM piracy is not a crime.
@BLKBRDSR71pirating RAM is always morally correct
It was strange to hear that he didn't know that old BIOSes don't work with USB keyboards at all, especially with such new ones.
Honestly, this was very entertaining. I just kept thinking that if you could travel back in time, you would be, hands-down, the coolest nerd in town. Heck, enterprise IT folks and research scientists would be drooling at this rig.
GPT comment
People are gonna start wearing RAM as jewelry at this rate
The next Rolex.
The ultimate flex 😄
I'll be cool for the first time in my life. I have shit tons of janky old RAM hanging around.
😅 i actually did that as a teen. My school's art department was doing a clearout and i got s hold of some computer parts from the early 2000s, which i then upcycled into some pendants for necklaces
I took a hacksaw to the ram stick and made a dog's dinner of it, but at the time i thought it was the coolest jewellery in the world and wore it a lot
A chip, or a SIMM/DIMM?
I really miss Windows Aero. It still looks amazing to this day.
There is a very accurate aero theme for linux.
I never did care for aero. I always and still do disable it. I find the performance improves when it is disabled. I dislike any graphical nonsense that obscures or slows me down.
Windows XP would be good on this Tyan motherboard. I'd use it to power a LSI pci-x raid card to make a IDE Raid array. Then he could test the data throughput better. Back in 2007, I salivated at getting one of those cards setup with a board supporting Pci-x. Kid of a stupid interface really as when you search for peripherals, almost nothing is made to work with that slot.
Not much useful a guy can do with this board because Microsoft forces End of Life on their operating system. All the newer stuff is non compliant with older standards which makes it impossible to do much.
@pixels303at-odysee9 Even my 2007 Samsung R70 laptop with Core 2 Duo + Geforce 8600M GS ran both Win7 Aero and Linux Compiz rather smoothly and without major performance penalty.
@pixels303at-odysee9 linux is scared of this man
You can get it with Stardock's Window Blinds, though of course it is a bit graphically glitchy
Brings me back! In 2009, I built a small VMware cluster with IBM (maybe x3450?) servers that had the same series Xeon processors. We sold it an IaaS cloud, where you could rent a VM month by month. It was a cool project and the market for it was exceptionally small in SE Europe, but we did it anyway. Fully kitted out they came with 4GB RAM modules at 64GB per server, which was massive for the time, but we quickly realized IBM was throttling the capability of the machine by not offering (at the time) an 8GB module. So I started ordering and testing a bunch of random 8GB ECC modules until we found that a module from a 3rd party (Kingston maybe?) not even speed out as compatible with IBM - a quick upgrade and life extension followed and we had the better part of a terabyte of memory in that cluster in around 2011 before I left that company. It was a wild ride!
9:00 - for anyone else that runs into a formatting problem during install, you don't have to restart the entire system or even restart the install process after a disk clean. You can just close command prompt, click back into the install wizard, and hit refresh/f5 to rescan drives.
He could've also just pressed《🔃最新の情報に更新(R)》(which hints to the fact [Alt]+[R] should've also worked) if he didn't think of the obvious key combination. Why did he do this in Japanese again?
@whohan779 He could only find a Japanese language ISO iirc
@jammer1248 Strange because even though Vista is somewhat obscure, there should easily be an ISO in every major language on the internet archive.
@whohan779 true. might have been some other reason for that, then. Or it could just have been he thought it would be funny.
He has RAM, get him!- Oh wait, it's DDR2.
RAM IS RAM GET HIM!!!!
@liamosterhout6538 wtf you gonna do to ddr2
@true_ukrainian_patriot honestly even DDR2 is faster than swapping to regular SSD at about 6GB/s throughput. The figures in the video are probably caused by the Ramdisk weirdness, if you were to run something like Debian natively it'd work better. Perfectly usable for webserver for example, obviously not to serve hundreds of users at once but still usable. I use a 2010 era Xeon with the early DDR3 exactly like that
DDR2 667 is of 5.1 GB per second. So, your SSD is faster
@illiazaitsev8503well, theoretically yes, the latest and pretty expensive ones can be faster. But even those would get potentially worn out - NAND is not a good substitute for RAM in the long term. There's also a cost factor - I use my 15y old Xeon because it was basically free and still runs, ofc I could get better performance by paying for a newer part 🤷
0:32 *8GB DDR2 !?!?!?*
I though the most was 4GB ... which is already very rare ...
nope , i had 4 8gb ddr2 sticks of ocz ram for 16gb on my original system.
@killerdeamonking much more expensive than the usual 2GB ??
@andrewkamoha4666it wasn't much more back then when I bought them. But the server ram shown in video was way way more costly.
only on ECC
@killerdeamonking? 4x 8GB would be 32GB
You'd probably get better tests using Linux on this. Windows (non-Enterprise) has a lot of limits when it comes to multithreading, pair bonding, etc. A lot of what you're trying to do on a copy of Windows Vista is going to be bottlenecked by your single core.
Yeah, I was interested in this but it's completely useless running vista. No one in their right mind is going to get a system like this and put vista on it.
Especially if you are short on cash. Linux is the right OS for hardware like that.
Japanese half english vista install on the fly.
@GaryCameron short on cash? what?
@demonicsquid7217 There's quite a bit you can still do with something like this if you don't care about power efficiency or noise. You can run your own private cloud services, a suite of docker containers, private collection audio/video streaming, etc. You could also set up a home lab for syseng/neteng using the virtualized versions of the hardware.
1:05 smart of you to do the blood sacrifice at the beginning. Pro moves 👌🏼
10:20 That sounds like a C-17 waiting to be loaded before taking off.
Why is the Japanese Vista being used? This does not compute..
Чтобы запутать следствие 😂
Runs faster😊
Japanese people still using FAX telephones and floppy disks so makes sense.
because you can safely get it and not have to do certain things to bypass other things to make things just work.
@milentiusgaming
That is complete moose muffins! Legit, safe ISO's of Vista can be found in any language.
You didn't check that classic system performance rating on the control panel. I wonder if someone ever got 10/10
It's maxed out at 5.9 in vista iirc
@parrotkabbarrotWas it really 5.9 ?
@09simid 5.9 in Vista, 7.9 in 7. After 7 idk cause I already switched from Windows atp, but I remember the vista & 7 ones cause I was super proud of managing to hit these numbers back then lol
@danielgusarov2020Yes! I remember now, getting those numbers high was the best feeling ever
I managed to get the maximum score on a dell latitude e6410
you are fueling my addiction right now
Addiction to what?
addiction for RAM? take care of your self or else you will turn into google chrome
@bury4660 buh dum tsss!
I like that this video is the opposite to clickbait, it doesn't show you what you can do, it actually asks the viewers what it can do
That's actually one of the most awesomest projects I've stumbled upon for quite some time!
Just picturing the table being scratched from the motherboard being dragged across it.....
they got the mat, so don't worry
0:24 how's your furniture? 😂
I thought I was the only one. I assume he’s married to a French polisher?!! 😢😢
same mind 😭😭😭
The scratching sound 😭
That poor table
Like moving a stone
This machine would be great for batch pathology analysis of whole slide biopsy scans in programs like QuPath which are incredibly RAM intensive rather than CPU demanding. Even today, I’m limited by heap memory for analysis of SVS scans and there are scenarios where I’ve struggled with 64 gb. Each scan is an architecture consisting of tiled pyramid TIFFs of 40x scans which are absolutely massive and normally have to be streamed into the pathology analysis software so that they don’t consume all of your memory-especially if you have a massive project running with 30+ scans that you’re batch analyzing with scripts. This machine would shine in that environment.
Also usable for large-scale (for that era) database migrations. Load all the data into the RAM disk, configure the database to use that instead of a hard disk, and then let it rip. A couple of minutes and it's done, instead of a whole week+ of disk swapping on a machine with the 2 to 4 GB of RAM that was common back then.
Things like that where it's not _just_ that the RAM was much faster than a hard drive for moving files around, but also that you never needed swap during processing.
Or you can run a single Java program
@mkontent Finally. A PC that can run Runescape in 2005 at good fps.
You would be better off buying SSDs and just swapping to disk. Even a single NVME is faster than the RAM in the video. And if you set up a raid array with a dedicated pcie controller card, you can hit like 30 Gigs per second
IT AIN'T STUPID IF IT WORKS.
And not just any DDR2. Fully buffered DDR2! That shit was expensive!
Also, in the future, when you're faced with a power connector arrangement you're unfamiliar with, you really should probe them with your multimeter to make sure they're what you think they are. These newer ATX power supplies put out quite a lot of current on the 12v rails, and there's more than a chance you could blow a trace or a component on your fancy new board before the power supply' figures out that there's a short!
Man, you just raw dogged that whole thing with trial and error and seemingly zero background research, thanks for boosting my anxiety levels 😅
*HOLY SHIT HE HAS THE MOTHERLODE!*
*_GET HIM!!!!_*
Being an ancient, I knew it was PS/2 keyboard requirement immediately ha
bro became royalty with a museum piece
That keyboard issue is a classic, that's why you gotta have some older keyboards around.
The drag of that motherboard across the table made me physically cringe. Those sharp solder points dragging across the tabletop 😖
LMAO I thought the same thing. I always put a towel or something down before laying components on my work space.
That sent chills up my spine lol
I was always a fan of multiprocessor motherboards. Years ago I've had a Tyan motherboard (like 30 years ago) it was a fantastic machine. Proper workhorse!!!
you had me at ddr2. impressive my friend
This was really cool, thanks for making this
10:51 right about where he is starting explaining what you can use it for
Maybe, the sequential speeds were low, because of the communication bottleneck between the 2 CPUs sharing the whole memory pool.
You should try with one CPU and it's memory channels and see the difference. Also, maybe in Linux would be easier to choose the memory channels of a single CPU for the RAMdisk.
the ram is 667 so it shouldnt be to bad if the fsb is 1333 . now the 1600 mhz fsb would be a better say like the 5450s or x5472s
Yeah its 667mhz mem with 2 channels per cpu and a 1333mhz fsb. I dont think it had qpi and idk if they had a dedicated channel between cpus or if it interconnected over fsb... Been ages since i played with this era of stuff
We got 128gb ddr2 before gta 6
Don't worry guys! Gta6 will come in November 2026! They really mean it this time! Don't you worry, they really mean it
"What can you do with 128GB of DDR2?"
Sell it all and buy a house
good thing i chose this video, i almost forgot my anki for today.
2:21 for some insane reason my dad had a dual molex to CPU adapter and was using it instead of the actual CPU power. no idea why but it is no longer doing that.
Fun video! I'm interested in what people come up with for testing suggestions.
Use it as a under desk heater.
Monitor wallpaper clannad, nagisa house ♥️ am I right?
Yeah i think it is 😢 rip nagisa
Furukawa Pan yes
The penguin os is calling for it!
You told me to complain down in the comments so here I am . This was a very interesting video and you did a great job, keep up the good work :)
VISTA on this is criminal
Vista was actually superior to 7 in nearly every way. reason everyone hates it is because it had a higher CPU requirement than 7 (duh, new generation), but PC building companies wanted to continue selling old hardware at new prices for that sweet large profit margin. leading to horrible user experience
that being said, to this day, 7 is the GOD of OS
@coeal2680 Unfortunately for you, i have to call historical BS on your comment; due to the SP3. Windows 7 SP3 is the objectively best windows version that was ever made. Because, it was functionally identical to windows 10 beta. Basically, they learned their lesson. Recent win10 today, completely debloated, is super similar still luckily. XP SP3 is also very similar, but lacks a lot of very common-sense features which was added to win7 SP3. But at least most win7 version were ok. Can't say the same for vista.
@CYellowanYou mean Win 7 SP1, don't you?
W7 (Kernel 6.1) only got SP1.
afterwards came 8/8.1 (Kernel 6.2/6.3)
And then 10 (Kernel 10.0)
That would be one hell of a Proxmox home lab
It would indeed... I have like 8/9 in this spec.... DDR3 / 4
Yeah I run xcp-ng on a 4s 768gb server and its awesome. Cost like 200 cad 😂
My proxmox homelab is a super micro dual 2969v4 (like 44 cores) with 320Gb of DDR4 and I'm like this dude. Idk wtf to do with all the ram. I have at least a dozen VREs and they're never up all at once
Performance would be incredibly sub-par unless you stick to light-weight LXC containers. Those Xeons, even if they have 4 cores each, are slooooow, and so are the SATA ports and PCIe lanes on that era of server motherboards.
It'd be slow due to missing some important virtualization instructions. Even though these had VT-x, VAT was needed to get near hardware-level performance. VAT was added with Nehalem
Breaking the bank with this one!🔥
DDR2: "You couldn't live with your own failure. Where did that get you? Back to me."
The regular limit for DDR2 was 2GB per module. The vast majority of consumer (non-server) DDR2 modules were 2GB max.
As far as I remember there were 4GB modules, but those were some obscure, working only on some AMD platforms. So rare stuff.
Almost all motherboards allowed only 8GB max, that's what MOBO manufacturer says on their product page. So that is 4x2GB in a system, since regular RAM capped at 2GB.
And at that time, it wasn't even a problem (for consumers), since Windows XP (32bit) at least at that time allowed only for 4GB. I only added another 4GB once i switched to Windows 7/8
I am still using q9300 with 8GB of RAM the max that is/was possible for everyday consumer using DDR2.
And here comes the guy with 128GB of server DDR2, let's just say, you got me interested 😳
Even with AMD getting 4 4gb udimms to work was pretty rare. My AM2 motherboard will run 4gb sticks in the first slot of each channel but to fill all 4 slots needs unicorn dimms that are 1rx8 IIRC.
There's some 4GB dimms that work on Intel even though no motherboard 'supported' it. Later 4GB dimms showed up that only worked on AMD. The ones from the video are FB-DIMMS. Costed a fortune either way
4GB stiks of ddr2 works on socket 775 with intel CPU's if mobo has non-intel chipset like nForce 600-700 series.
@Almashina - This. Back in 2009 I had a Gigabyte GA-G41M Combo board with a Core2Duo E7500. It had max support for 8GB DDR2 1066 or DDR3 1333, but you couldn't do mixed mode. So back then I had a 2x 4GB DDR2 kit. I had basically an upgrade path/road map where eventually I replaced that 8GB DDR2 with 8GB DDR3...then shifted to AMD with a Phenom II x6 1090T and added another 8GB for 16GB total.
Was doing some video editing and photo editing as well as audio work back then--as I do now. So it's crazy watching this video with a 16-core/32-thread 5900XT and 128GB DDR4. When server/workstation grade of old becomes consumer/normal in the present.
@Almashina I had a stick specifically advertised as working on Intel. It cost a fortune but worth it at the time
Can it run crysis?
the fair question would be if Crysis can run this pc.
@VintageCR crysis will run happily on this system
@VintageCR crysis wont have a problem the CPU's are Core2
still the same joke move on bro
@zerokool1985 well yea, on this system, but not the other way around😂😂
古河渚さん英語ペラペラですごいンゴねぇ
Wait he is Not native english?
I'm gonna need 1TB of DDR2 eventually
Appreciate the video. Those lights in the background though.. ...
1:05 ... stabbing happens only with these 771 boards! also got two of them and it was really strange to get injury only from these, not the hundreds of others. Maybe the weight/momentum plays a role?
I have two 2013 Mac pros. One came with 128GB of DDR3 that ran at 1033Mhz. It felt too sluggish. So I swapped them for the 64GB it’s advertised for at 1866MHz. Significant difference. The 128GB was mostly used as RAM disk to help with file transfers. Transferred super fast.
6.1 can?
Must've been the ECC server DDR3, as I can't find any regular consumer DDR3 that are higher than 1666MHz
The next thing is to change the language
Pretty cool, Im restoring a DDR2 system as well. Trying to upgrade it to 16 gigs memory.
This was weirdly entertaining thank you. Those fans are loud because those are the most powerful server fans and if memory (ha!) serves me right each of them does 36 CFM which is kinda a lot considering how small they are.
Run Linux with some beefy CAD software, that'll sure use a lot of ram
what cad software uses that much ram and what can you can even get for linux?
you can boot a linux os TORAM and go even faster
About time you released something again Logan! 😎👍
Thanks Greg!! It's been a while, hope you are well 🙏
@LowestLogan I'm hanging in there bud hope you're doing well too
Great video, brother. Thank you.
this was a great video for practicing my katakana memorization
also genuinely this is just really cool, i love the comical amount of ram sticks in that motherboard lmao
i saw the same bord on Ebay i all most snaged it
but my 1 server is running 256 DDR3
you can run a server from 2001 and have a power bill for an additional $100/month
its only 80Watt per CPU and a total of 8 cores. thats not all that bad tbf.
what isn't great, is the amount of RAM sticks, that all need individual power, each stick needing 3.3v compared to 1.5v(ddr3) or 1.3v(ddr4) or 1.2v(ddr5)🤷🏻♂
still. all that together, will not be $100 a month, that would be per year. roughly.
@VintageCR ram in the video require 3,3v , EACH, cuz that ram is FB-DIMM and have aditional AMB that draws 1.5v hanse that why it's so hot.
@VintageCRddr2 fbdimms eat power.. I went from a 2s ddr2 fbdimm server to 4s ddr3 and my avg usage dropped 2x 😂
@Зебразебровthis. Ddr2 fbdimms are no joke, they actually NEED the heat spreaders 😂
@VintageCR Some servers have 4 cpus . But worse, servers PSUs and fans will make you deaf.
On most motherboards, you can skip memory test at boot by pessing or key.
Letting it run the first time is a good idea.
TIL! I'll try this next time
The Space Bar is also a very common one to skip memory tests
Good, someone told him about hitting ESC.
Install modern Linux distro on it
I bet it would make a badass Minecraft server
WOW! I have a supermicro board with 16x 4GB installed and I thought that was the craziest it could get!
Former PC owner is 古河渚 (Furukawa Nagisa).
This PC must have been sent from Japan.
it's most likely an otaku... furukawa nagisa is a clannad character...
Dongo family ❤
I can't believe this. I almost choked on my drink reading the name. If the owner was truly an otaku... they have taste in anime ngl. Dango Daikazoku ftw.
6:41 What the heck is the "Endless Boot" setting?!
endless boot causes the system to reboot endlessly, it is usually used for testing if components can handle the electrical surge of start up repeatedly
Fun is endless
Endless boot is for network boot applications like PXE. If the PXE server isn't ready and the server misses the PXE boot, instead of stopping at 'boot device not found', it will just keep trying forever until it works.
Rammagaddon to hard on us normies , we have to bring DDR2 back from the dead
That`s actual Thread necromancy.
I just bought some ddr3, it’s still pretty cheap. DDR 4 and 5 are pretty bonkers, and I blame windows not AI. Making businesses upgrade their computers to 11 to be “secure.”
My first time watching your videos bro awesome 👌
You can have a minecraft server with a lot of wam.
sad thing is mc servers dont scale well with ram u.u would get massive lag spikes when java does garbage collection
@nicolasalvarado9485 I'm no JVM expert but could the Shenandoah GC help to mitigate this issue?
The pewfowmance would be pweddy bad wiv those swow ass CPUs though.
I tried a all the mods modded server with 28gbs of ddr3 ram and it'd last exactly 5 minutes before a memory leak ate it all and crashed.
it would improve but not too much, zgc is the standard for 12gb+ of ram. usually when you need more ram is because of mods which often leads to memory leaks. also more ram means more cache misses and if using a server setup with 4 channel memory you will also add latency with the numa nodes. all things combined makes it very difficult to keep the 20tps needed, so its more about fast memory access than more memory. 10- 12gb of ram is best.
4:27 what keyboard is that? The switches sound nice
Kinda looks like an infi75 but not quite.
Yooo! What are the chances? I have a server with the same RAM model and Dual CPU's model.
Generational wealth in that PC.
Now try creating a disk in RAM from a RAID 0 array, to speed up DDR2 to DDR4 ! 🤣🤣
King of 775
is dual 771
They are similar, besides LGA771 being able to work with dual cpus.
You can also fit those Xeons onto LGA775 with a cpu cutout and modded bios.
@devilzuser0050 It's just arbitrarily different socket to charge more money.
@crystal_regiment i have supermicro x7dwan with two xeon e5472, i paid a lot for 8gb of ram...within fout dimms. Cannot imagine how much ws for 128gb in 8gb (sic!) dimm...
why is it in Chinese ?
Japanese
when the logan is low
Low on logan, high on RAM! 📈
You have a very soothing voice and demeanor, and it was interesting seeing the old tech. I'd say it was a positive contribution to the internet :')
No complaints here this is fascinating stuff
Maybe this won't work, but would transcoding video have any performance gains? Or you can run 1 billion vms lol
mmm Vms. on ddr2 speeds with a dual quad core. im not sure how 'well' that would go.
You could've just hit refresh at that disk selection window after converting to MBR. Just did that yesterday and worked
TIL! I'll try that next time