I have 12 x 8, and the sound deadening required behind the listening is spot on advice. Without it the sound stage is shifting depending where you sit due to the reflections. I have a largish panel on the wall of 7 foot by 4 foot and that sorted it. Room treatment is the key!
I have a small room and Paul is correct about placement and acoustic treatments. I have experienced that the size of the speaker is not so important its more important on how many drivers they have and how close to them you are sitting. Many drivers means many points of sound and you need distance from them to blend sonically with no time distortion. Lastly stay away from speakers using rear bass ports or side facing drivers. They both really restrict placement. Small two way stand or floor speakers are simple and work great or likewise Tannoy's the size of washing machine still work as they are a single point source and act like just one driver so you can sit quite close
Indeed it seems like they are even more sensitive to things in a smaller room. I have some home made speakers and its tough to get good sound with out the space. I have physical baffle steps to help with this, didn't want to muddy up the sound with an electronic solution, seeing as how they pretty reveling as it is.
If you can get Ohm Acoustics Walsh speakers they would be your best bet as they work best placed around 1 foot from the rear wall (closer for more bass) with a lot of reflecting surfaces .They are good imaging speakers with a reach out and touch it realism and the whole room is the sweet spot with their design. The 1000's are great in a small room .Or check Ebay for the original Walsh 2 as they are a good price and do not need a refoam.Also if there is a dealer in the UK (there are in other parts of Europe)They offer a 120 day free home trial.
My main listening room is 22' x 15' with a 10' vaulted ceiling .. the walls are made of solid brick 12" thick. The floor is concrete with tiles and large thick rug. I use my modified B&W 800's in there and the soundstage literally "stands there " in front of me ! The largish room allows for the longer wavelengths to form naturally giving excellent bass. I have a set of acoustic wall diffusers stuck to the wall ( not hung on hooks ) You can spend all the money you have on high end equipment and end up never appreciating how good it can be by using it in a terrible room . You do need a dedicated listening room if you're really serious .
I have the same size room with concrete floor and a 9 foot flat ceiling. I've modified some vintage Sansui SP2500s that sound great. My soundstage is also incredible. Best listening room that Ive ever had
@@janinapalmer8368 Walls are 18" thick brick and morter with inner wood framing for the drywall. Room has short carpet and I've placed a large book shelf full of books behind my listening area. Large wood framed paintings cover the other 3 walls. I also installed large crown molding that smooths out the sharp transition from walls to ceiling.
I set up a 9.2' x 10.2' room for 5.1 as well as 2 channel. Overhead bookshelf speakers with a sub and good electronics to let the speakers sing. The room as evolved over many years; while small, not to small to yield a very nice sound.
I have been on the near field side of things for years now and something work well but others don't. Stuffing my speaker boxes as full of damping has been a god send. My 12 sub is very responsive now and I don't have to turn it up loud to hear the details.
My room is 9'x12' with an opening to another room behind my chair. I just ordered a Schiit amp and am on my way to listen to a pair of Maggie LRS. The challenge in a small room, like he said, is listening position, but also where to put your gear. I like to place my gear away from the speakers on a side wall. Thanks for the tip on decluttering. Very useful info.
12 ft wide by 14 ft long with large Legacy Audio Focus speakers worked quite well. Of course I had to implement all of Paul's suggestions and then some. Now, taking those very same 'large' Legacy Audio Focus speakers and reducing the room size down by 2 ft (a 10 by 12) and I feel that given my experience (/troubles) with the 12 by 14 size room, that the 'large' Legacy's may very well NOT work. However that is only me guessing / extrapolating. So I wouldn't say that any room is too small, however one must then be extra choosey as to the speakers they buy/use for such small rooms, as well be prepared to implement sound control, EQ, and more.
Did the nearfileld "another day" ever get addressed? I will be moving into a house with a very small spare room which will be my listening room. About 520 sq feet. 280cm l x 220 w cm x 240cm h
I have a 10' by 12' listening room in which my system sounded terrible. I therefore built 13 limp membrane sealed bass traps each 4' by 2' by 6''. I installed them all over the wall behind my listening position. now my system sounds great.
Would love your recommendations on which speakers are least affected by room size. Some of us barely have 1ft away from wall b/c the listening area is in the living room of a 600 sqft apartment.
i use equalizer apo software installed on my pc before it hits the dac. parametric eq think its called, think its under dsp since its done in the digital domain.
My room is around 10ft by 11ft.Not entirely square,with plenty of books and CDs around. In my view,setting off room modes excessively ,with a boomy bass is very distracting,so i'd generally go for a smaller speaker in a smaller room.
Paul is completely right, Steve Guttemberg call the rooms of that magnitude of dimension "listening room from hell". For listening music in that kind of roooms he recommends "listen music with headphones". Here in Buenos Aires the most of the old houses like mine are built in bunker-like hard bricks and even harder concrete. During the last two years I am building (with a lot of budget constrains) my personal man-cave/office/e-lab/audio room in a room of about 11' by 15' with walls hard as a panzer.I have not installed the curtains or much of the furniture yet, I tried my good old faithful sound system there, and in those conditions it sounds like a Spica radio, no bass at all! a real porteña listening room from hell!
My room is 10 x 12. The speakers need to sit on the wall that is 12 feet wide (meaning the distance b/w the front and back wall is 10 feet. Is this okay?
consider an-e's which work in the corners. kit form at bargain price from hifi collective - troels does a corner speaker 'kit' too. are we going to get a question from ruislip? (pokin' fun at your warwick pronunciation Paul ;-) )
My bedroom's 10'x12', and I get pretty decent imaging out of a pair of vintage Technics SB-F1s. As Paul says, being British I can live without earthquake-inducing bass - the F1s don't go super-low, but the bass that comes out of those little cast-aluminium boxes do put out is under tight control.
a properly set up sub has helped almost every speaker system known to man. I agree that a 10x12 is prob the smallest room one might expect to achieve a decent soundstage. room acoustics are the most critical part of the equation.
Hi Paul, do you think you could use a few more metric measures for those of us who don’t understand American measures? You’re an international star with a world-wide audience! Thanks
He gives measurements in feet. Now, if you look down towards the floor, you may notice something called "shoes". They measure approximately one foot. So if you start at one wall and then - this is important - COUNT as you put one shoe in front of the other, you can measure your room in feet! Pretty nifty, eh?
@@christopherbrown8205 And try pacing off distances. It's easy in yards; it hurts to lengthen your stride to a metre. Acres is a fixed area these days, but it used to be the area a horse could plough in a working day. An acre of heavy soil was much smaller than an acre of sandy soil.
From my experience most people who grew up with the metric system have very few problems understanding Imperial Units of length. Not so much the other way round. If most of PS Audio’s revenue is generated in the US, it’s only fair for him to speak their lingo. If, instead, most of the revenue comes from the ROTW then ideally he should adopt the metric system.
@@volpedo2000 Never played an RPG; Sid Meier's Civilization has been my computer game of choice since it first came out. My main area of interest for the last twenty years or so has been the philosophy of science and understanding how it developed in the medieval era. A bit more interesting _to me_ than television...
My room is only 3.6m square (12ft x 12ft) i have a pair of ATC SCM 100's a Velodyne DD18+ and a Sunfire XTEQ 12 sub in there and it sounds superb.. The bringing the speakers off the rear wall a 1/3rd into the room theory does not need to be applied.
Audio Note speakers (or smaller Tannoy corner horns which have a 90' dispersal, this helps with a small room as you sit in a position where the sound from the speaker arrives well before any reflection ) are designed to go in the corners (both are British too!), and the space is maximised ; a book shelf filled with different sized books on the rear wall really helps as well.
My room is only 9ft x 7ft which explains a lot about what I am experiencing. Sounds ok but not massive bass or soundstage. By the way its pronounced 'warrick' but we forgive you Paul.
Never setup system in squarish room. I have tried that. Bad bass response and too much phase issues. (Peaks and dips) Rectangular shaped room can be tangled.!
Paul how does room shape figure into the mix of good sound? We have a cathedral ceiling and have an echo problem during thermal expansion and contraction during a year. Thanks for your videos, they're great.
A square is the worst shape for a listening room and a rectangle is a perfect shape for a listening room. The bigger the room the better. One day I set my hi-fi system up in the middle of my big yard. I couldn't believe the sound I was hearing.
thx paul,that answers a lot of questions for me then,as i have my set up in the kitchen,due to restoration of the house,2 big floor standers 2 arcam alpha 10p power amps, meridian 502 pre and and upgraded arcam alpha 9 cd player,it should sound great,but it doesn't,i also have shelf's everywhere,tiled floors,solid 24" walls,just cant get it to sound large enough,or detailed,with very little sound stage,the room must 5m x 8m,but full of cookers fridges work tops etc etc,can anyone help me with this ,any advise would be fantastic,thx again Paul,regards mk
I am also living in Britain plagued with a small room of 3m x 4.5m. Unfortunately I cannot fire down the length of the room due to layout, so I have to sit with my head pretty close to the rear wall. I find that I can get a fairly good soundstage , but, the bass isn't very focused as I cannot pull the speakers further than 30cm away from the front wall. I'm still loving the music!!! I am thinking of upgrading my speakers to Kef R3's as they are a much higher resolving speaker than my Epos Es11's and have a dual concentric design in the most critical mid-bass and treble parts of the frequncy range. P.S. I think Warwick should be pronounced as Worrick :-)
@@christopherbrown8205 I noticed that when I went shopping for some bookshelves recently. I have thousands of books as well as thousands of CDs. I purchased shelves designed for use in storage areas from the stationery suppliers. Steel and MDF.
room size has nothing to do with imaging and sound stage. of course, you can get a more (what you think is) lively sound from bigger, sub-optimally treated rooms but that's neither imaging nor sound stage, it's echo. the truth is actually the opposite, a listening room should be kept small. there are 2 main reasons why smaller room is better. 1. due to the way human brain processes sound, any reflected sound that arrives at your ears within ~30 ms after the direct sound is filtered out, smaller room means reflected sound arrives at your ears sooner, thus, filtered out. 2. room correction only actually works at sub bass frequencies or to be specific, when the wavelength is large compared to the size of the room. smaller room means the frequency limit you can do 'room correction' is elevated. then why restrooms sound horrible? they're usually small, right? right, and they're full of hard surfaces, nothing in there is good at absorbing sound... nothing. and there's barely anything in there to break up standing waves. i'll say it again, ROOM SIZE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IMAGING. otherwise, headphones wouldn't be able to do any damn imaging at all.
Jonathan Sturm I just did a test in a large room, like 30 by 40 feet. My crazy box did pretty good, but I do notice that pressure cabin effect were impact was reduced. I saw 95db and it was a good time. (Cleaning Carpet 6 hours) The next room is the main church, approximately 40 by 70 and 25 feet tall. It's a real echo chamber. This is where all the DSP stuff and an amp channel for every driver comes in handy.
@@SJMessinwithBoats That's about 4 times the volume of my Great Hall. I can see reverb being a problem there. Forty feet is the wavelength of a 28 Hz sound at 20°C. I have ordered the Rotel A11 for driving the tweeters in my DC-Xs. It's $AU100 off RRP.
@@jonathansturm4163 I suppose thats great? This Rotel? I dont jack nothing about home stereos other then a few tib bits 901 and my 8inch ported light bulbed 90's Bose, a couple pioneer reciever new in 1980, Most All home stereo stuff is unfamiliar. But thats me happy for you my Tasmania friend. !! Im going back for some more carpet cleaning maybe I do a video?
@@SJMessinwithBoats Not a _great_ amp. I have been told by the Golden Ears that Rotel gear isn't "real hi-fi". OTOH Steve Guttenberg likes what they are capable of at their price point thus confirming my opinion of them. The A11 cost me ~$US600. I don't need more than the 50W/channel for my tweeters. I have the old Rotel's 100W+/channel for the woofers. I can link the A11 to the RX975 so that both are turned on/off simultaneously. If the 20 years younger A11 is as well crafted as the RX975 I will be well-pleased. And pleasing me is the name of the game...
``the minimum room size for stereo`` There are stereo headphones, so if you can fit your had into the trashcan - that the minimum room you need. ;-) But joking aside, bookshelves with actual books (preferably of random different sizes) are good idea for small rooms as they work a bit like acoustic damping tiles giving a nicer softer sound instead of bare wall bouncing echo.
On the other hand I suppose at least SOME of it is about attitude and limited choices. Few people make any noises about space dimensions sitting in the front seat of car, even if it's a smart/mini car. We don't care about space (it seems) when driving, just happy to have music playing in whatever space we got with limited options. I bet John Gotti if he could have bribed for them, and sitting in a 6x8 prison cell didn't care where the speakers were placed! One speaker duct taped on the ceiling and one with masking tape on top of the toilet (echo chamber, ha ha?) probably would have made him happy. It is what it is. Then again Gotti's space was probably so small he probably just used headphones. :>)
I have 12 x 8, and the sound deadening required behind the listening is spot on advice. Without it the sound stage is shifting depending where you sit due to the reflections. I have a largish panel on the wall of 7 foot by 4 foot and that sorted it. Room treatment is the key!
I have a small room and Paul is correct about placement and acoustic treatments.
I have experienced that the size of the speaker is not so important its more important on how many drivers they have and how close to them you are sitting. Many drivers means many points of sound and you need distance from them to blend sonically with no time distortion. Lastly stay away from speakers using rear bass ports or side facing drivers. They both really restrict placement.
Small two way stand or floor speakers are simple and work great or likewise Tannoy's the size of washing machine still work as they are a single point source and act like just one driver so you can sit quite close
Indeed it seems like they are even more sensitive to things in a smaller room. I have some home made speakers and its tough to get good sound with out the space. I have physical baffle steps to help with this, didn't want to muddy up the sound with an electronic solution, seeing as how they pretty reveling as it is.
Some of the most amazing sound I heard was 4 Klipshorns in a dorm room. The horns were stacked in two corners. Best listening was out in the quad.
My big listening room is 13 x 56’. This is the best sound I’ve had. I’m listening about 17’ from the front wall.
56 feet? Holy, that's huge!
If you can get Ohm Acoustics Walsh speakers they would be your best bet as they work best placed around 1 foot from the rear wall (closer for more bass) with a lot of reflecting surfaces .They are good imaging speakers with a reach out and touch it realism and the whole room is the sweet spot with their design. The 1000's are great in a small room .Or check Ebay for the original Walsh 2 as they are a good price and do not need a refoam.Also if there is a dealer in the UK (there are in other parts of Europe)They offer a 120 day free home trial.
My main listening room is 22' x 15' with a 10' vaulted ceiling .. the walls are made of solid brick 12" thick. The floor is concrete with tiles and large thick rug. I use my modified B&W 800's in there and the soundstage literally "stands there " in front of me ! The largish room allows for the longer wavelengths to form naturally giving excellent bass. I have a set of acoustic wall diffusers stuck to the wall ( not hung on hooks ) You can spend all the money you have on high end equipment and end up never appreciating how good it can be by using it in a terrible room . You do need a dedicated listening room if you're really serious .
100% agree :-) I take my music joculalrly and enjoy listening while I cook in my kitchen as well as active listening :-)
I have the same size room with concrete floor and a 9 foot flat ceiling. I've modified some vintage Sansui SP2500s that sound great. My soundstage is also incredible. Best listening room that Ive ever had
Ed Jackson ~ what are the walls made from ? Your room sounds just fine .. what mods did you make btw ?
@@janinapalmer8368 Walls are 18" thick brick and morter with inner wood framing for the drywall. Room has short carpet and I've placed a large book shelf full of books behind my listening area. Large wood framed paintings cover the other 3 walls. I also installed large crown molding that smooths out the sharp transition from walls to ceiling.
I set up a 9.2' x 10.2' room for 5.1 as well as 2 channel. Overhead bookshelf speakers with a sub and good electronics to let the speakers sing. The room as evolved over many years; while small, not to small to yield a very nice sound.
I have been on the near field side of things for years now and something work well but others don't. Stuffing my speaker boxes as full of damping has been a god send. My 12 sub is very responsive now and I don't have to turn it up loud to hear the details.
My room is 9'x12' with an opening to another room behind my chair. I just ordered a Schiit amp and am on my way to listen to a pair of Maggie LRS. The challenge in a small room, like he said, is listening position, but also where to put your gear. I like to place my gear away from the speakers on a side wall. Thanks for the tip on decluttering. Very useful info.
ohh my goodness this is my actual situation, i have a small apartment and i want to build a small audio studio
A 12’ x 14’ room is lovely. Wish I had a dedicated room of that size. 😢
Hi Paul ! - Moving the speakers from the wall has really a magic effect - It's like having a new sound system and it cost nothing - Thanks !
12 ft wide by 14 ft long with large Legacy Audio Focus speakers worked quite well. Of course I had to implement all of Paul's suggestions and then some. Now, taking those very same 'large' Legacy Audio Focus speakers and reducing the room size down by 2 ft (a 10 by 12) and I feel that given my experience (/troubles) with the 12 by 14 size room, that the 'large' Legacy's may very well NOT work. However that is only me guessing / extrapolating. So I wouldn't say that any room is too small, however one must then be extra choosey as to the speakers they buy/use for such small rooms, as well be prepared to implement sound control, EQ, and more.
My room is 10’x 20’ and works really well with a pair of Harbeth 30.1’s four feet from the back wall. Thanks Paul. 😎
Nice speakers.
Did the nearfileld "another day" ever get addressed? I will be moving into a house with a very small spare room which will be my listening room. About 520 sq feet. 280cm l x 220 w cm x 240cm h
I have a 10' by 12' listening room in which my system sounded terrible. I therefore built 13 limp membrane sealed bass traps each 4' by 2' by 6''. I installed them all over the wall behind my listening position. now my system sounds great.
Would love your recommendations on which speakers are least affected by room size. Some of us barely have 1ft away from wall b/c the listening area is in the living room of a 600 sqft apartment.
ELAC debut 2s with the front port are fantastic, and the front port is so you technically can put them up against the wall.
my room is basically a 7 feet cube, and large amount of sound absorption and EQ is needed for sure.
Which type of hardware/software are you using to equalise room .?
Band eq or dsp.?
i use equalizer apo software installed on my pc before it hits the dac. parametric eq think its called, think its under dsp since its done in the digital domain.
My room is around 10ft by 11ft.Not entirely square,with plenty of books and CDs around. In my view,setting off room modes excessively ,with a boomy bass is very distracting,so i'd generally go for a smaller speaker in a smaller room.
True.!! Been there and heard that.!!
@Nat N When I first discovered what real hi-fi at mine was listening near field in the 1970s.
Paul is completely right, Steve Guttemberg call the rooms of that magnitude of dimension "listening room from hell". For listening music in that kind of roooms he recommends "listen music with headphones". Here in Buenos Aires the most of the old houses like mine are built in bunker-like hard bricks and even harder concrete. During the last two years I am building (with a lot of budget constrains) my personal man-cave/office/e-lab/audio room in a room of about 11' by 15' with walls hard as a panzer.I have not installed the curtains or much of the furniture yet, I tried my good old faithful sound system there, and in those conditions it sounds like a Spica radio, no bass at all! a real porteña listening room from hell!
My room is 10 x 12.
The speakers need to sit on the wall that is 12 feet wide (meaning the distance b/w the front and back wall is 10 feet.
Is this okay?
consider an-e's which work in the corners. kit form at bargain price from hifi collective - troels does a corner speaker 'kit' too.
are we going to get a question from ruislip?
(pokin' fun at your warwick pronunciation Paul ;-) )
My room is 3x3 meters. I was able to get wide and deep soundstage with speakers placed 1 m from the rear wall.
You got your square room to sound good, please tell me your secret
My bedroom's 10'x12', and I get pretty decent imaging out of a pair of vintage Technics SB-F1s. As Paul says, being British I can live without earthquake-inducing bass - the F1s don't go super-low, but the bass that comes out of those little cast-aluminium boxes do put out is under tight control.
a properly set up sub has helped almost every speaker system known to man. I agree that a 10x12 is prob the smallest room one might expect to achieve a decent soundstage. room acoustics are the most critical part of the equation.
Hi Paul, do you think you could use a few more metric measures for those of us who don’t understand American measures? You’re an international star with a world-wide audience! Thanks
He gives measurements in feet. Now, if you look down towards the floor, you may notice something called "shoes". They measure approximately one foot. So if you start at one wall and then - this is important - COUNT as you put one shoe in front of the other, you can measure your room in feet! Pretty nifty, eh?
@@christopherbrown8205 And try pacing off distances. It's easy in yards; it hurts to lengthen your stride to a metre. Acres is a fixed area these days, but it used to be the area a horse could plough in a working day. An acre of heavy soil was much smaller than an acre of sandy soil.
From my experience most people who grew up with the metric system have very few problems understanding Imperial Units of length. Not so much the other way round.
If most of PS Audio’s revenue is generated in the US, it’s only fair for him to speak their lingo.
If, instead, most of the revenue comes from the ROTW then ideally he should adopt the metric system.
Jonathan Sturm straight out of medieval RPG
@@volpedo2000 Never played an RPG; Sid Meier's Civilization has been my computer game of choice since it first came out. My main area of interest for the last twenty years or so has been the philosophy of science and understanding how it developed in the medieval era. A bit more interesting _to me_ than television...
I have to put my back up against the wall and walk to my closet every time I need clothes. Which is not inconvenient at all.
that AKG c24 mic!! pretty penny, but exciting stuff!
My room is only 3.6m square (12ft x 12ft) i have a pair of ATC SCM 100's a Velodyne DD18+ and a Sunfire XTEQ 12 sub in there and it sounds superb.. The bringing the speakers off the rear wall a 1/3rd into the room theory does not need to be applied.
Audio Note speakers (or smaller Tannoy corner horns which have a 90' dispersal, this helps with a small room as you sit in a position where the sound from the speaker arrives well before any reflection ) are designed to go in the corners (both are British too!), and the space is maximised ; a book shelf filled with different sized books on the rear wall really helps as well.
My room is only 9ft x 7ft which explains a lot about what I am experiencing. Sounds ok but not massive bass or soundstage.
By the way its pronounced 'warrick' but we forgive you Paul.
"... we forgive you Paul.
"
Of course most of us do. It's just the curmudgeons that piss and moan.
Never setup system in squarish room. I have tried that. Bad bass response and too much phase issues. (Peaks and dips)
Rectangular shaped room can be tangled.!
Paul how does room shape figure into the mix of good sound? We have a cathedral ceiling and have an echo problem during thermal expansion and contraction during a year. Thanks for your videos, they're great.
A square is the worst shape for a listening room and a rectangle is a perfect shape for a listening room. The bigger the room the better. One day I set my hi-fi system up in the middle of my big yard. I couldn't believe the sound I was hearing.
@Thom Moore Not that I know of. I put two squares together to equal a rectangle.
@Thom Moore My geometry teacher was wrong, I'm confused now
Im British I love bass.
thx paul,that answers a lot of questions for me then,as i have my set up in the kitchen,due to restoration of the house,2 big floor standers 2 arcam alpha 10p power amps, meridian 502 pre and and upgraded arcam alpha 9 cd player,it should sound great,but it doesn't,i also have shelf's everywhere,tiled floors,solid 24" walls,just cant get it to sound large enough,or detailed,with very little sound stage,the room must 5m x 8m,but full of cookers fridges work tops etc etc,can anyone help me with this ,any advise would be fantastic,thx again Paul,regards
mk
im english and i love my bass paul. 1 x svs pb 16 ultra and 1 x MA gold 15" in a 4m x 5m room.sounds good enough..
I am also living in Britain plagued with a small room of 3m x 4.5m. Unfortunately I cannot fire down the length of the room due to layout, so I have to sit with my head pretty close to the rear wall. I find that I can get a fairly good soundstage , but, the bass isn't very focused as I cannot pull the speakers further than 30cm away from the front wall. I'm still loving the music!!! I am thinking of upgrading my speakers to Kef R3's as they are a much higher resolving speaker than my Epos Es11's and have a dual concentric design in the most critical mid-bass and treble parts of the frequncy range. P.S. I think Warwick should be pronounced as Worrick :-)
If you think people from the U.K. don’t like bass very much then your hanging with the wrong crowd
1st...Good job today Paul as always......
Thanks, Tony!
shelves full of books are good for deadening that rear wall
Unfortunately that's so much a last century solution. It is hard to even find bookshelves in furniture stores these days. At least here in Norway.
@@christopherbrown8205 I noticed that when I went shopping for some bookshelves recently. I have thousands of books as well as thousands of CDs. I purchased shelves designed for use in storage areas from the stationery suppliers. Steel and MDF.
or a killer set of headphones
room size has nothing to do with imaging and sound stage. of course, you can get a more (what you think is) lively sound from bigger, sub-optimally treated rooms but that's neither imaging nor sound stage, it's echo. the truth is actually the opposite, a listening room should be kept small.
there are 2 main reasons why smaller room is better.
1. due to the way human brain processes sound, any reflected sound that arrives at your ears within ~30 ms after the direct sound is filtered out, smaller room means reflected sound arrives at your ears sooner, thus, filtered out.
2. room correction only actually works at sub bass frequencies or to be specific, when the wavelength is large compared to the size of the room. smaller room means the frequency limit you can do 'room correction' is elevated.
then why restrooms sound horrible? they're usually small, right? right, and they're full of hard surfaces, nothing in there is good at absorbing sound... nothing. and there's barely anything in there to break up standing waves.
i'll say it again, ROOM SIZE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IMAGING. otherwise, headphones wouldn't be able to do any damn imaging at all.
Correct. Bigger room means lower bass and bass doesn't appear at all necessary for imaging being essentially directionless.
Jonathan Sturm I just did a test in a large room, like 30 by 40 feet. My crazy box did pretty good, but I do notice that pressure cabin effect were impact was reduced. I saw 95db and it was a good time.
(Cleaning Carpet 6 hours)
The next room is the main church,
approximately 40 by 70 and 25 feet tall. It's a real echo chamber.
This is where all the DSP stuff and an amp channel for every driver comes in handy.
@@SJMessinwithBoats That's about 4 times the volume of my Great Hall. I can see reverb being a problem there. Forty feet is the wavelength of a 28 Hz sound at 20°C.
I have ordered the Rotel A11 for driving the tweeters in my DC-Xs. It's $AU100 off RRP.
@@jonathansturm4163 I suppose thats great? This Rotel? I dont jack nothing about home stereos other then a few tib bits 901 and my 8inch ported light bulbed 90's Bose, a couple pioneer reciever new in 1980, Most All home stereo stuff is unfamiliar. But thats me happy for you my Tasmania friend. !!
Im going back for some more carpet cleaning maybe I do a video?
@@SJMessinwithBoats Not a _great_ amp. I have been told by the Golden Ears that Rotel gear isn't "real hi-fi". OTOH Steve Guttenberg likes what they are capable of at their price point thus confirming my opinion of them. The A11 cost me ~$US600. I don't need more than the 50W/channel for my tweeters. I have the old Rotel's 100W+/channel for the woofers. I can link the A11 to the RX975 so that both are turned on/off simultaneously. If the 20 years younger A11 is as well crafted as the RX975 I will be well-pleased. And pleasing me is the name of the game...
The original question is open-ended, and cannot be answered comprehensively without giving serious consideration to near-field setups.
My room is 12x12 ish. Not exactly square. I have over 2000 watts worth of stereo. Sounds ok. Bigger rooms do sound better though.
``the minimum room size for stereo``
There are stereo headphones, so if you can fit your had into the trashcan - that the minimum room you need. ;-)
But joking aside, bookshelves with actual books (preferably of random different sizes) are good idea for small rooms as they work a bit like acoustic damping tiles giving a nicer softer sound instead of bare wall bouncing echo.
On the other hand I suppose at least SOME of it is about attitude and limited choices. Few people make any noises about space dimensions sitting in the front seat of car, even if it's a smart/mini car. We don't care about space (it seems) when driving, just happy to have music playing in whatever space we got with limited options. I bet John Gotti if he could have bribed for them, and sitting in a 6x8 prison cell didn't care where the speakers were placed! One speaker duct taped on the ceiling and one with masking tape on top of the toilet (echo chamber, ha ha?) probably would have made him happy. It is what it is. Then again Gotti's space was probably so small he probably just used headphones. :>)
What's the minimum room size for MONO? LOL
Half the size Paul recommends in the video, of course.
I know the response, the bigger you can allow yourself
Head sized.
love bass, im english
AURA xl yep me too !!!
I love my bass too. I _used_ to be English but I ran away and never looked back...