I've been a carpenter for a long time and I appreciate watching your videos. You never cease to show me something new or a different way of completing a task....you're a great carpenter..
As a painter, when I remove the hinges, I label every single plate so that it goes back up in the same spot, and I also label every hole that has a long screw in it. But yet, I can see a lot of painters not doing this.
To hell with the haters, I'd hire you again to do another paint job. I get so sick of doing some renovations when I have to deal with stuff from crap painters and electricians because they were too lazy.
I’m just a 40 yr old mom cruising RUclips for home repair advise but I just wanted to comment on your post and say it’s refreshing to see another professional who actually has something positive to say to another professional. The comment section of these kind of videos are full of no it all “pros” (or so they say) who criticize the person who made the video and want to give their credentials and explain how they do it better, smarter or faster and they don’t say it in a helpful way but in a demeaning and rude way meanwhile I don’t see any of those people making any videos trying to help others. For example, the first couple comments in this video is people criticizing how he didn’t do a pilot hole or split the wood and mocking him for the bags he has. It’s so unnecessary. Wish there were more people like you on the internet.
@@SavedByJesus-pi3yu You hit the nail on the head. I'm usually disappointed reading comments but now and then there are others who acknnowledge a good idea or time saving "hack" not seen before. All the best to you.,.,
Ditto, I am also just cruising RUclips looking for information on installing prehung doors at my home. I think it’s so awesome that you took the time to reply to the other professional carpenter having positive productive things to say about another professional in the same trade. So I just wanted to reach out and say I thought that was so awesome for you to do! Way to go putting that positive energy out there in the world! 👌🤙🏻🤘🥰
Excellent tip, I never knew this. You should make a video sharing the tip of installing screws behind the weather seal for storm doors. I’m almost always working on exterior doors and do this every time, even on low income housing. The people appreciate the quality work because nobody else ever seems to get it done right. Glad to see the pride you take in your work! 💪🏻
@@lancecharles4623 👍. The C-sink of the hole is not functional and does not add value. Whereas pre-deill is usually required by the MFG instructions. And, if you are doing hardwood, it is mandatory just from the the skill of the craft. You split em' you own em'. The homeowner or the GC has standing to ask for their removal and replacement. It is your dime. It's kind of like what the tobacco executive said back in the early 80's about those who smoke. Something along the lines of; you don't listen you can't read you just don't care or you're lazy. The head of the screw rests in the steel of the hinge and not the wood. Technically if you did a tolerance stack up of the max and min Eng dims, MB a 1/32" - 1/16" of the C-sink might engage the wood.
The painter could always remove pins from the hinges to remove the doors. If I am going to enamel the doors and trimwork, I don't want the thickness of the enamel to throw off how the hinges fit if I take the doors off via the hinges. Its an extra step of prep work leaving the hinges on the jambs and doors, but you never have to worry about the doors fitting right when they're put back on the jambs. Doors are finicky sometimes...
I hung my own doors, trim, and did all the painting with doors and hinges removed. I learned real quick to remove the paint under the hinges otherwise doors would rub or not close once reinstalled.
@@Scorp497 I do for a uniform look. My trick is to check the reveal first to make sure it's not to tight then make sure the edges are clean and put only a very thin coat. A good painter is a carpenter too💯👍
Agreed. Also paint behind the hinges on the jamb and the door. And also the bottom if you cut it down. This prevents moisture from entering and keeps everything consistent summer through winter.
Years ago I got in trouble after installing like 100 doors at apartment complex. I primed and painted doors. Including hinge and strike side. However we didn't paint top or bottom edge. Turns out that voids the warranty. I was forced to go back and remove all doors to properly paint them. Pain in the butt but lesson learned.
Hung hundreds of prehung doors in my life...I used screws to temporarily hold my hinge side jamb stable while I finished set the entire door jambs with hand driven 16d galvanized casing nails...wether the door was an exterior or interior door, they never moved when installed with hand driven casing nails.
The other benefit is the length of a screw that is too large to go through the hinge will hold better. This is especially true if you’re using Jack studs to hold a header over the door. The screw will go through the Jack stud and into the king stud. But pre-drill the jam, Jack and king stud before driving that 3 inch screw. It might seem like a lot of work, but that door will hang perfect forever.
If the screw behind the hinge wasn’t in place like he’s shown in this video the screw on the hinges being took out by the painter to start his painting. He would then screw them back in once he’s finished and maybe over tighten or not enough drive and it’ll tweak the door frame either way resulting in losing your consistent desired margin throughout. The reason for this screw in behind hinge it makes sense once it’s in the door frame aint budging and no reason for the painter to remove it. Yes I get it decent TIP👍
Oh he's talking about anchoring the door frame to the building, nothing to do with the door itself. The margin around the door frame was a confusing opening to the video.
The long screw has little to do with the hinge. It’s holding the door jamb in a position where the door operates properly with proper clearances . The carpenter does this. If the carpenter puts that “ control screw” through the hinge, the door gets messed up by the painter ( the next logical person to remove that hinge for painting) . Thats why he says to simply place the “ control screw” on under the hinge leaf… no one will ever mess with it unintentionally..
Sadly the people wh removed my chrome bathroom fixtures didn’t remove and afix the pieces to hold them to the wall to the pieces they removed now I’m looking for replacements and can’t find and they were to a perfect set for my tiny 3/4 bathroom and was either price Pfizer or Moen so a high quality set. This is infuriating .
That’s the voice of experience right there. 3 weeks ago I was at a house fixing doors the painters put back up wrong. Lol. Nice work Spencer as always.
Why in the hell are painters hanging doors . Do your Carpenters paint walls does your electrician do plumbing. Does your roofer do your cabinetry work does your concrete guy lay carpet and do vinyl work. A carpenter does carpentry a handyman does everything makes me wonder which one you are.
good point but i do both especially if its a heavy door. the long screw throgh the hinge is for beefing up your door security and some holding power for your door....
I appreciate the attempt to advise us. I am not a carpenter or an experienced home repair person. But what do you mean put a screw behind the hinge? How will it hold the hinge when it's behind the hinge. Btw, I ask this with all due respect.
We get crap pre-hungs up here in the Midwest. I always screw off hinge side and striker side, otherwise they swell with the humid weather, and don't close anymore. Doesn't help when the hinges that come with the pre-hungs aren't strong enough for the solid core doors so the knuckles open up over time.
NO..WRONG...NEVER DO IT THAT WAY... it'll stay perfect forever....BEEN DOIN REMOD FOR 30yrs...YOU ALWAYS NEED THAT SCREW GOING THROUGH THE HINGE...HES CLOOOLESS 😃...THE PAINTER DOES NOT NEED TO REMOVE IT!!
It is true that the hinge can be pulled away from the jam, so the best practice imo, would be to put one behind the hinge as Spencer suggests, and then one in each hinge as well. That way, when the painter pulls the door, the jam stays in place guaranteed, and the hinge can't ever pull away! Any competent painter will then reinstall the long screws where they belong. I've never put long ones behind the hinge, but after seeing this, I believe it would be beneficial in the long run, even though I've never really experienced the problem, because once the casing is nailed and caulked, it's highly unlikely the jam will ever budge... Kind of on the fence with this, and yeah, the holes should be predrilled... On hollow core doors, I think it would be overkill...
In our area, the finish carpenters rehang the doors during the Bump Out. During this time, they also base the hard surface floors, install door hardware, closet rods, and bath accessories. The painter touches up the base and any other scars and imperfections as tbe last trade on the job.
Forced entry is an OUTER DOOR concern. You know these internal doors are just 1/8" ply OR THINNER, sometimes masonite and honeycomb cardboard. Your FIST will go thru them. I put one as an outer door on an outside toilet and learnt about THAT the hard way. Rain destroyed it quite quickly and it doesn't PROPERLY freeze in my area
I can’t even remember the last time I drove a 16D by hand 😂 I guess we are spoiled with all the cordless power tools and nail guns. I remember being a little kid and watching my grandfather hang doors with a hammer, hand plane, nail set, and a Disston cross cut saw.
On doors that are being painted, I pull off the center trim piece, and them put in screws . It keeps it from getting pulled one way. Then just tack the strip back on and done!
Be Use a long screw in the hinge AND the strike plates to help reinforce into the solid wall framing. Also helps on the door side too especially if stripped out.
I replaced all my interior doors and did it this way, I used 3" screws behind all the hinges actually, and used a countersink bit so the screws don't interfere with the hinges sitting flat. I think maybe I put in a few of the screws too tight, such that the jamb ended up a bit "wavy" I guess on the hinge side. Not really visible to the naked eye, but a couple doors have a crack sound when opened. I think I have to go back, and back-out the screws a bit, and check the hinge side of the jambs with a long level to make sure they're perfectly flat. Just something to watch out for.
That’s right been doing that for a while too except I also mark each individual hinge top middle bottom on doors 1-20 ++ , because the garbage we use today is never exactly the same and guys like us will notice that’s slight difference and it can be frustrating. I also tape the mortices after removing the hinges for the painter as I am a general contractor /carpenter when we put the doors back on , that paint or spray in the hinge does make a bit of a difference , they will sit proud just remove the tape match up the hinge And exactly how we set it.
@@blamuk yes, and the reason why is- if you get paint behind the hinge plates, the alignment of the hinges changes and the doors may not close properly anymore- a huge problem that's difficult to solve. It's best to not mess with them at all. I learned this by making all of these mistakes- over 35 years.
I was a professional painter for almost a year. If it is a new house with new unpainted doors. We will remove the hinges completely. Once painted, we put the hinges back on. This is how we do it in New Zealand.
Well as A Painter I can call bullshit on this comment.What you just described is Hack work. We Label and remove Hinges, Tape mask the hinge cut out, Paint and re-install. You need to work with better Painters Guy.
I accidentally figured this trick out trying to get my weather beaten front door to stop sagging. I put 2 - 3.5” screws behind each hinge and it took all the sponginess out of the door. Great trick!!
Yeah there are two different reasons to use long screws. One is to keep the frame secured to the wall independent of the hinges. The ones through the hinge are to secure the door itself to the wall to increase physical security. That's why people have been saying to put long screws through the hinges.
He was not clear. The screw he puts behind the hinge is not meant to serve the hinge, it's meant to secure the door jamb to the stud, the hinge hides this screw. He was pointing out that builders often kill two birds with one screw by securing the door jamb AND attaching the hinge with the same screw. When the painter removes the hinge to paint (which I've never seen, but sounds like thorough work), the painter is also removing the important screw that attaches the jamb. And may not replace it with a screw long enough to serve the dual purpose the builder intended it for. It's good advice, just needed a little more explaining than he did.
I have seen the 'long' screw pull through these cheap modern white pine jambs. So, l replace one hinge screw, (the closest to the door stop) with my 'long' screw so it will not go through the metal. 'Nuff said!
Do both. The short screws that come in the hinge pack aren’t enough to grab the jamb. Especially large paint grade wood like poplar, alder, and pine. Big heavy 8’ doors made of particle board or MDF core will need longer screws on all 4 hinges. You want the screws to grab the studs.
Thats not always the case for screwing through the hinge, sometimes the provided hinge screws strip out the wood in the jamb, and you must put a 2" drywall screw ( at least one) through the hinge leaf
Use GRK trim head deck screws. You and even use them to adjust the reveal in latch side. If you get stuck installing the big box store’s prehung doors,you will understand why that is so cool
@@j-paulvillagomez8875if they're solid wood doors, it's needed or the door will sag over time. Even if they're cheap, kids hang on the knobs. It doesn't hurt
I have only used this ‘trick’ in Spain fitting pre-hung doors that are finished so the only way is to fix the frame to the wall behind the hinge so you don’t mess the finished paint. Not in UK though, usually the linings haven’t been painted so you can fix them screwing directly and fill in the holes later. Then hung your door
For those confused, he’s essentially hiding a screw behind the hinge leaf. It’s got more holding power than his angle nailer. By doing that he doesn’t have to worry about the jamb pulling away from the wall should the painter not replace a long screw thru the hinge.
you have a metal door frame with hinges like in many european countries and you don't have any problems... you can exchange any door with another one and it fits
Yes you do want to do that. Those 1 inch screws that hold the hinge to the jamb wear out and become loose. A long screw through the hinge will not loosen up.
Its to hold the door jamb to the sub framing. He has shims at each hinge location so when he puts the screw behind the hinge it locks the jamb,shim, and sub frame all together so over time gravity does not want to pull the door away from the jamb, thus causing the door to sag and rub the jamb on the other side at the top . Very common with heavy solid core doors!! lt will even sag with hollow core doors as well!! Most people put the long screw through the hinge and he is suggesting putting it behind the hinge so the painter does not take it out when painting the doors and not put it back in.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Thanks man! Now I can go to sleep not thinking that the vid meant to let the paint hold the hinge in place. My fault for watching random vids with zero intent or reason to try any of this
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Predrill the hole first. Because you just split the jam
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@@jefferydec6257 i think someone is off their meds!
Bingo
@@Quickened1 Or on too many.
First clue should be the framer tool bags... they can never fully adjust to fine woodworking inside
I’ve been doing that for 30 years. It truly works well!
So how are you supposed to hang the door if you put the screws behind the hinges?
Can you teach me what the purpose of this is??
I've been a carpenter for a long time and I appreciate watching your videos. You never cease to show me something new or a different way of completing a task....you're a great carpenter..
As a painter, when I remove the hinges, I label every single plate so that it goes back up in the same spot, and I also label every hole that has a long screw in it. But yet, I can see a lot of painters not doing this.
Man you should have kept going. You could have slipped in their “I labeled where your wife keeps my long screw”😂😂😂
Must a take you 2hrs to paint and reinstall one door😅😅😂😂😂 hope you remember to paint the top and bottom of the door😢
To hell with the haters, I'd hire you again to do another paint job. I get so sick of doing some renovations when I have to deal with stuff from crap painters and electricians because they were too lazy.
Bro said 2 hours 😂 take off all doors that need painting and label them as you go depending how big the house is it should take 20 mins
yeah but did you use a level or check the reveals or just sink the screws and move on
That's a new one on me, retired capenter age 73 hung hundreds of doors, many from scratch not pre-hungs. This is a good idea, I like it.
I’m just a 40 yr old mom cruising RUclips for home repair advise but I just wanted to comment on your post and say it’s refreshing to see another professional who actually has something positive to say to another professional. The comment section of these kind of videos are full of no it all “pros” (or so they say) who criticize the person who made the video and want to give their credentials and explain how they do it better, smarter or faster and they don’t say it in a helpful way but in a demeaning and rude way meanwhile I don’t see any of those people making any videos trying to help others. For example, the first couple comments in this video is people criticizing how he didn’t do a pilot hole or split the wood and mocking him for the bags he has. It’s so unnecessary. Wish there were more people like you on the internet.
@@SavedByJesus-pi3yu You hit the nail on the head. I'm usually disappointed reading comments but now and then there are others who acknnowledge a good idea or time saving "hack" not seen before. All the best to you.,.,
Ditto, I am also just cruising RUclips looking for information on installing prehung doors at my home. I think it’s so awesome that you took the time to reply to the other professional carpenter having positive productive things to say about another professional in the same trade. So I just wanted to reach out and say I thought that was so awesome for you to do! Way to go putting that positive energy out there in the world! 👌🤙🏻🤘🥰
Excellent tip, I never knew this. You should make a video sharing the tip of installing screws behind the weather seal for storm doors. I’m almost always working on exterior doors and do this every time, even on low income housing. The people appreciate the quality work because nobody else ever seems to get it done right. Glad to see the pride you take in your work! 💪🏻
As a painter, I don't lose screws, but I already know I'm an anomaly. This is definitely the way to go.
Thats a great idea. I've been doing it thru the hinge for 33yrs. Painter has screwed it up in the past. Thanks
no the door installer screwed it up
Maybe do both, but i like a long screw through the hinge because the door frame really isn’t beefy enough to hold a heavier door
Yes. Thank you.
Also what a bs claim. Why couldn't you use long screws, even when you put a screw behind the hinge?! You still could!
Exactly. If you dont put a long screw through the hinge, you are still relying on those short screws to hold the hinge to the door jamb.
@@nowonmetube
Hinge serves as a washer distributing weight more effectively
@@GENECARP that's the point I guess?
Good point about the painters. But on a heavy door, I would do both, as a screw through the hinge is stronger.
Not all painters are careless.
I also like to pre-drill with a counter sink bit, that way the screw is not gonna make the hinge all wacky.
Not necessary
@@lancecharles4623 👍.
The C-sink of the hole is not functional and does not add value.
Whereas pre-deill is usually required by the MFG instructions.
And, if you are doing hardwood, it is mandatory just from the the skill of the craft.
You split em' you own em'.
The homeowner or the GC has standing to ask for their removal and replacement. It is your dime.
It's kind of like what the tobacco executive said back in the early 80's about those who smoke. Something along the lines of;
you don't listen you can't read you just don't care or you're lazy.
The head of the screw rests in the steel of the hinge and not the wood.
Technically if you did a tolerance stack up of the max and min Eng dims, MB a 1/32" - 1/16" of the C-sink might engage the wood.
The painter could always remove pins from the hinges to remove the doors. If I am going to enamel the doors and trimwork, I don't want the thickness of the enamel to throw off how the hinges fit if I take the doors off via the hinges. Its an extra step of prep work leaving the hinges on the jambs and doors, but you never have to worry about the doors fitting right when they're put back on the jambs. Doors are finicky sometimes...
I hung my own doors, trim, and did all the painting with doors and hinges removed. I learned real quick to remove the paint under the hinges otherwise doors would rub or not close once reinstalled.
@@bigpjohnsonPro Tip: Don't paint under the hinges
The screw technique is much simpler
@@Scorp497 I do for a uniform look. My trick is to check the reveal first to make sure it's not to tight then make sure the edges are clean and put only a very thin coat. A good painter is a carpenter too💯👍
Yes. Thank you.
I add the long screws after the painters done with the doors and I’m reinstalling them, then I can tweak the door just before occupancy.
Good point with the hinge screw, the walk through punch list is always my last eyeball on the job nothing better than a nice crisp paint line😊
Wooo gonna be showing up to my first job today, stuff like this has me so excited
Hey man it's been a year. Are you still at this same job?
It also helps if your house isn’t on 60’ of clay and shifts back and forth all year
Exactly, like the extremely shitey soil in Texas.
You need trench type foundations instead of individual stumps or a floating slab. It's a major issue in my area
"fourth" 🤦🏻♂️
@@ebisu8824 thanks
Or in Mexico City where we have earthquakes on the regular
Love all your videos. Most of the time, It's like i'm watching myself. awesome job
This is just a great idea all around and I will be doing this from now on.
Great install takes pride in his work. Keep up the good work!
Agreed. Also paint behind the hinges on the jamb and the door.
And also the bottom if you cut it down. This prevents moisture from entering and keeps everything consistent summer through winter.
Prime 1-2 coats max behind hinges, I’ve had coats of finish throw off precision alignment
Years ago I got in trouble after installing like 100 doors at apartment complex. I primed and painted doors. Including hinge and strike side. However we didn't paint top or bottom edge. Turns out that voids the warranty. I was forced to go back and remove all doors to properly paint them. Pain in the butt but lesson learned.
They make it a part of the warranty because they know its such a paint that no one does it, and thus they never have to warranty anything.
I love this tip! Simple extra step to ensure long lasting quality. Thank you
Hung hundreds of prehung doors in my life...I used screws to temporarily hold my hinge side jamb stable while I finished set the entire door jambs with hand driven 16d galvanized casing nails...wether the door was an exterior or interior door, they never moved when installed with hand driven casing nails.
The other benefit is the length of a screw that is too large to go through the hinge will hold better. This is especially true if you’re using Jack studs to hold a header over the door. The screw will go through the Jack stud and into the king stud. But pre-drill the jam, Jack and king stud before driving that 3 inch screw.
It might seem like a lot of work, but that door will hang perfect forever.
Why not hammer in a 16D nail?
If the screw behind the hinge wasn’t in place like he’s shown in this video the screw on the hinges being took out by the painter to start his painting. He would then screw them back in once he’s finished and maybe over tighten or not enough drive and it’ll tweak the door frame either way resulting in losing your consistent desired margin throughout. The reason for this screw in behind hinge it makes sense once it’s in the door frame aint budging and no reason for the painter to remove it. Yes I get it decent TIP👍
I've been hanging doors for years and this is a good trick
What? How is a screw BEHIND the hinge (as in this video) going to prevent ANYBODY from removing said hinge???? What am I missing?
The screw behind the hinge is to anchor the door frame!
Oh he's talking about anchoring the door frame to the building, nothing to do with the door itself.
The margin around the door frame was a confusing opening to the video.
Good idea terrible explanation
I was totally missing the point also and so confused
The long screw has little to do with the hinge. It’s holding the door jamb in a position where the door operates properly with proper clearances . The carpenter does this. If the carpenter puts that “ control screw” through the hinge, the door gets messed up by the painter ( the next logical person to remove that hinge for painting) . Thats why he says to simply place the “ control screw” on under the hinge leaf… no one will ever mess with it unintentionally..
I do both. Top and bottom hinges. Painters are usually pretty good at putting screws back where they go...
Sadly the people wh removed my chrome bathroom fixtures didn’t remove and afix the pieces to hold them to the wall to the pieces they removed now I’m looking for replacements and can’t find and they were to a perfect set for my tiny 3/4 bathroom and was either price Pfizer or Moen so a high quality set. This is infuriating .
That’s the voice of experience right there. 3 weeks ago I was at a house fixing doors the painters put back up wrong. Lol. Nice work Spencer as always.
Why in the hell are painters hanging doors . Do your Carpenters paint walls does your electrician do plumbing. Does your roofer do your cabinetry work does your concrete guy lay carpet and do vinyl work. A carpenter does carpentry a handyman does everything makes me wonder which one you are.
good point but i do both especially if its a heavy door. the long screw throgh the hinge is for beefing up your door security and some holding power for your door....
I even foam the door jamb. Does two things. Keeps the shims in place and makes the door solid.
What do you mean by foaming the door jamb?
I have an idea, but what’s your trick?
I am always looking to improve
@@andrewparis1398spray foam behind Jambs before installing door casing.
I appreciate the attempt to advise us. I am not a carpenter or an experienced home repair person. But what do you mean put a screw behind the hinge? How will it hold the hinge when it's behind the hinge. Btw, I ask this with all due respect.
Yeah. Definitely not clear.
It's securing the jamb.
One of thee best Finish Carpenters in the business bar none!
Spencer is the best. So efficient, so productive, so clear and no bs, no time wasting.
We get crap pre-hungs up here in the Midwest. I always screw off hinge side and striker side, otherwise they swell with the humid weather, and don't close anymore. Doesn't help when the hinges that come with the pre-hungs aren't strong enough for the solid core doors so the knuckles open up over time.
That's fine and danndy but that's not going to keep a solid door from pulling the hinges from the jamb.
Very good point👍
I actually thought that was the point of the long screw through the hinge, as well. To keep the door from pulling away from the hinge side jamb.
NO..WRONG...NEVER DO IT THAT WAY... it'll stay perfect forever....BEEN DOIN REMOD FOR 30yrs...YOU ALWAYS NEED THAT SCREW GOING THROUGH THE HINGE...HES CLOOOLESS 😃...THE PAINTER DOES NOT NEED TO REMOVE IT!!
@@Mrcrisis2012 this new construction almost every painter drops the doors from hinges to spray the doors
It is true that the hinge can be pulled away from the jam, so the best practice imo, would be to put one behind the hinge as Spencer suggests, and then one in each hinge as well. That way, when the painter pulls the door, the jam stays in place guaranteed, and the hinge can't ever pull away! Any competent painter will then reinstall the long screws where they belong. I've never put long ones behind the hinge, but after seeing this, I believe it would be beneficial in the long run, even though I've never really experienced the problem, because once the casing is nailed and caulked, it's highly unlikely the jam will ever budge... Kind of on the fence with this, and yeah, the holes should be predrilled... On hollow core doors, I think it would be overkill...
In our area, the finish carpenters rehang the doors during the Bump Out. During this time, they also base the hard surface floors, install door hardware, closet rods, and bath accessories.
The painter touches up the base and any other scars and imperfections as tbe last trade on the job.
As an electrician, I wire my doors a lot differently than you do. I didn’t even see your bonding strap.
😂😅😊
Use electrically conductive black paint, and neon sign transformers. Wired for life!
Lol
I almost spit my drink out
Other door installer using shims on interior doors. Crazy as hell.
Great idea. I thought I heard it all, but this is simply genius
But it loses security against forced entry .
I would suggest having a long screw through the hinge as well.
It’s an interior door…they can just punch through the drywall
Forced entry is an OUTER DOOR concern. You know these internal doors are just 1/8" ply OR THINNER, sometimes masonite and honeycomb cardboard. Your FIST will go thru them. I put one as an outer door on an outside toilet and learnt about THAT the hard way. Rain destroyed it quite quickly and it doesn't PROPERLY freeze in my area
I have been doing this for a while, my grandpa used to put a 16D nail behind the hinges before cordless screw guns.
I think that's probably still the way to go. It's not gonna be moving after hammering one or a couple of those Bad Larry's in.
I can’t even remember the last time I drove a 16D by hand 😂 I guess we are spoiled with all the cordless power tools and nail guns. I remember being a little kid and watching my grandfather hang doors with a hammer, hand plane, nail set, and a Disston cross cut saw.
On doors that are being painted, I pull off the center trim piece, and them put in screws . It keeps it from getting pulled one way. Then just tack the strip back on and done!
Be Use a long screw in the hinge AND the strike plates to help reinforce into the solid wall framing. Also helps on the door side too especially if stripped out.
I replaced all my interior doors and did it this way, I used 3" screws behind all the hinges actually, and used a countersink bit so the screws don't interfere with the hinges sitting flat. I think maybe I put in a few of the screws too tight, such that the jamb ended up a bit "wavy" I guess on the hinge side. Not really visible to the naked eye, but a couple doors have a crack sound when opened. I think I have to go back, and back-out the screws a bit, and check the hinge side of the jambs with a long level to make sure they're perfectly flat. Just something to watch out for.
That’s right been doing that for a while too except I also mark each individual hinge top middle bottom on doors 1-20 ++ , because the garbage we use today is never exactly the same and guys like us will notice that’s slight difference and it can be frustrating. I also tape the mortices after removing the hinges for the painter as I am a general contractor /carpenter when we put the doors back on , that paint or spray in the hinge does make a bit of a difference , they will sit proud just remove the tape match up the hinge And exactly how we set it.
Painters rarely- if ever- remove hinge screws. They remove the hinge pins. then take the door down to spray paint it in the garage.
So they prefer to mask both the hinge plates on the door and on the frame?
@@blamuk yes, and the reason why is- if you get paint behind the hinge plates, the alignment of the hinges changes and the doors may not close properly anymore- a huge problem that's difficult to solve. It's best to not mess with them at all. I learned this by making all of these mistakes- over 35 years.
This is a false statement, unless you're a hack painter!! What about the jam?? Mask it!?
I was a professional painter for almost a year. If it is a new house with new unpainted doors. We will remove the hinges completely. Once painted, we put the hinges back on. This is how we do it in New Zealand.
Well as A Painter I can call bullshit on this comment.What you just described is Hack work. We Label and remove Hinges, Tape mask the hinge cut out, Paint and re-install. You need to work with better Painters Guy.
As a carpenter from UK I use 10 screws on each side of liner 😂 but we don't use pre finished and hung rubbish.
I accidentally figured this trick out trying to get my weather beaten front door to stop sagging. I put 2 - 3.5” screws behind each hinge and it took all the sponginess out of the door.
Great trick!!
Glad to see I'm not the only one regularly coping with a "spongy" door. Now placing hinges further in frame.
Totally agree 💯!! Pro speaking 🗣️.. Makers.. We need them
I remove the stop strip and put 3 or 4 woodscrews in each jamb then put the stop strips back and always have nice solid doors
Not if they’re rabbeted jambs.
I don't do much new construction but here in Florida you have to put 2 long screws in each hinge on exterior doors.
Yeah there are two different reasons to use long screws. One is to keep the frame secured to the wall independent of the hinges. The ones through the hinge are to secure the door itself to the wall to increase physical security. That's why people have been saying to put long screws through the hinges.
After the painters I go through every hinge and fix all the stripped screws and adjust what needs adjusted.
I’ve only been doing this for 5 years, but I’ve never heard of that!! Great idea
Thanks for all the tips Spencer! 👍🏼👍🏼🔥🔥
I’m more impressed with that bit attachment to the drill
I'm sorry, what exactly does the screw behind the hinge accomplish? In case a painter loses a screw? What??
I have the same question! If the screw doesn't go through the hinge how does that help keep the door on? I'm confused 🤔
He was not clear. The screw he puts behind the hinge is not meant to serve the hinge, it's meant to secure the door jamb to the stud, the hinge hides this screw.
He was pointing out that builders often kill two birds with one screw by securing the door jamb AND attaching the hinge with the same screw.
When the painter removes the hinge to paint (which I've never seen, but sounds like thorough work), the painter is also removing the important screw that attaches the jamb. And may not replace it with a screw long enough to serve the dual purpose the builder intended it for.
It's good advice, just needed a little more explaining than he did.
@@kristacohen8210 ok I get it out there still a screw threw the top hole. I thought he meant to not use the top hole. Put it behind lol
Really have no idea
@@kristacohen8210 wow! That is way much better explanation, I was, with a lot of people here, very confused, thank you.
Correct. And one in lock hole, and tho under molding, in 45°
Keep saving for myself.
Thanks for the pro tips!
Have you tried hanging clips, and if so what do you think of them?
I've never tried them.
I just learned something. Liked and subscribed.
I apply every bit of knowledge that you share. Your a brilliant young man.
I have seen the 'long' screw pull through these cheap modern white pine jambs. So, l replace one hinge screw, (the closest to the door stop) with my 'long' screw so it will not go through the metal. 'Nuff said!
Damn! This changes everything
Do both. The short screws that come in the hinge pack aren’t enough to grab the jamb. Especially large paint grade wood like poplar, alder, and pine. Big heavy 8’ doors made of particle board or MDF core will need longer screws on all 4 hinges. You want the screws to grab the studs.
Thats not always the case for screwing through the hinge, sometimes the provided hinge screws strip out the wood in the jamb, and you must put a 2" drywall screw ( at least one) through the hinge leaf
We painted our trim before bringing it in. Because I didn't want the smell in the house.
Use GRK trim head deck screws. You and even use them to adjust the reveal in latch side. If you get stuck installing the big box store’s prehung doors,you will understand why that is so cool
I will do this next time..
65 an still learning. 👍
I just drive in a 60d nail. works every time
Such a simple yet good idea
when i seen the thumbnail i thought he was putting a trip mine on the door frame 😂🎉 hold tight all the gamers ❤
Awesome video and tip! What is the attachment on your drill to hold the bits?
A master carpenters advice
Im a painter and always put screws back, sometimes even reincforce with better screws. But i can fit doors too.
Long screws are a safety precaution it is harder to kick the door open
@@j-paulvillagomez8875if they're solid wood doors, it's needed or the door will sag over time. Even if they're cheap, kids hang on the knobs. It doesn't hurt
@@j-paulvillagomez8875 home invasion
Doors never give on the hinge side, its always the latch side. 🙄
I have only used this ‘trick’ in Spain fitting pre-hung doors that are finished so the only way is to
fix the frame to the wall behind the hinge so you don’t mess the finished paint. Not in UK though, usually the linings haven’t been painted so you can fix them screwing directly and fill in the holes later. Then hung your door
For those confused, he’s essentially hiding a screw behind the hinge leaf. It’s got more holding power than his angle nailer. By doing that he doesn’t have to worry about the jamb pulling away from the wall should the painter not replace a long screw thru the hinge.
As a painter of 45 years, I never remove hinges to paint a door I can paint around a hinge with a quality brush
As a painter I am perfect! Thanks 😂
Oh that is such an excellent idea i've never thought about that
That's great intill you have to adjust your door them you have to take hinge off and adjust your door ?
Learn something new every day.
Thank you for the higher education institute of Screw U. 🤣👍
I love when people give this kind of advice. Lol
you have a metal door frame with hinges like in many european countries and you don't have any problems... you can exchange any door with another one and it fits
Awesome tip 🎉
I wish I learned that earlier. Thank you!
Awesome Idea 👍👍
Thank you for this
thanks you very much ideas ❤
Yes you do want to do that. Those 1 inch screws that hold the hinge to the jamb wear out and become loose. A long screw through the hinge will not loosen up.
I like to put screws behind the doorstop personally. This method is also good though
Interesting. Going to put this in my memory until I do my next doors
Excellent advice
Can you please explain the reason for putting a screw behind the hinge. Is it to support the hinge? I dont understand
Its to hold the door jamb to the sub framing. He has shims at each hinge location so when he puts the screw behind the hinge it locks the jamb,shim, and sub frame all together so over time gravity does not want to pull the door away from the jamb, thus causing the door to sag and rub the jamb on the other side at the top . Very common with heavy solid core doors!! lt will even sag with hollow core doors as well!! Most people put the long screw through the hinge and he is suggesting putting it behind the hinge so the painter does not take it out when painting the doors and not put it back in.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Thanks man! Now I can go to sleep not thinking that the vid meant to let the paint hold the hinge in place. My fault for watching random vids with zero intent or reason to try any of this
@@gaboonus WTF
putting long screws in is fine. Why wasn't the door painted, before it was installed?
That's a great idea....now you split the wood behind the hinge and can hide it for the painters. You also shot a nail right next to the hinge...
Great tip! 🙏🙏🙏
I taught myself this trick after a ton of trial and error. Gosh I hate working on doors.
Great trick...thanks !
Good idea for residential work!
About time someone on the net gives solid advice but quit giving away our secrets though !