Thumbtack is a joke! Stay so far away from this company!
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Installed the app 10 mins ago. Now deleted it after watching this useful video. Thanks Jeramie.
Glad it helped
The killer one for me was finding out you can get a bad review from a client without ever working for them... based on price or how long it takes you to provide an estimate.
Yup.... I am not sure if they realize where their money is coming from.
Which is why I don't even bother responding to this half as ridiculous requests.
OMG! . I was just about to plug in my CC on Thumbtack. Made a profile, game plan and everything today. At least all I lost was time. Thank you for this!
Oh man!!!! Im glad this helped!
Same here
100% my friend. What that company is doing now should be illegal. DON'T DO THUMBTACK!
Dude I literally was about to put in my cc info to thumbtack and you saved me. I’m a wedding videographer, tryna get more leads and I’m glad to know this isn’t the way! Thanks man 🙏🏻
Wow!!! i am so glad you caught this!!
Wow. This is the fist video guy I've heard respond on here. I've seen plenty of customers seeking various types of work done. But being charge rip off rates just to get some none video person to say ...OH my dear way too much money for a 2 hour event.
I'm seeing this now. I just deactivated my account. I have a 5 star rating & going broke now. It started out really good but 2 years later nothing but tire kickers. Somebody is getting HUGE commission checks off of me. Well no more
I really wanted it to work!!!
Thanks for sharing. I thought the pricing structure was bizarre so I searched RUclips for feedback and found your video. Twelve minutes later I canceled my profile before it was even set up. Grateful for the money you almost certainly saved me!
Oh man! I am happy I could help!
I had Thumbtack for one day, I got a $6,000 remodeling project and was charged $75. I think that is fair.... but after watching this video I feel like my profits could be washed away by people just messaging me..... : /
I am totally sure there are some cases where it works out. But most of the time its a gamble. I just don't like that they don't have set rates.
It's got even worse. I looked at a wedding today. The person is looking for someone for 8 hours and pay $500 to $1000. Thumbtack want $95.17 to respond!!! Are you kidding me?
That is insane!!
Wow!!!!
They a rip off yo facts
Yea there f··· rediculous. To say the least.
It's honestly like they're charging a ton of money to be a messaging service, and not a lead provider. How crazy!
You are so right. I have been on here for three weeks. I had a direct lead, and I was supposedly the only person contacted. I reach out, and nothing. I ran the person's name and city to see if it was a real person, and he was, but there was something shady with this company. I pay more than I make.
Thumbtack uses bots as fake leads. There are tons of reddit posts about Photographers experiences. They are most likely doing this because weddings have slowed down due to inflation and people are not spending nearly as much money.
That was my experience as well. I even tried to cancel it and thought I did, and still was being charged for leads that never responded. That happened twice and I never got reimbursed. I finally got away from them. I do not recommend them! Scammy.
I agree ! We would get a direct lead call them and they already hired someone else within 5 min. I asked who did the job go to and what was the quote? She started stuttering that she couldn't remember and I could hear her keyboard typing. I was like you can't remember who you just hired 5 min ago. We immediately delated our profile. They took us for 150.00 within a month or so. We will never use them again!
Tnk you for this...
I fell for it but only for a few days. I only got one job and got great reviews from the customer but the problem was with the charges for alleged leads. I started to get charges from leads that I did not actually received any answer and some that I didn't even quoted. They have little technicalities to charge you, no matter what. Even after I specified in the settings that was not interested in getting leads from areas more that 15 miles from my place (Orlando, FL.) I kept getting leads from as far as Tampa, for example...And getting charged for it!!! My suggestion...STAY AWAY FROM THEM.
A very shady company. I really wish it worked the way it was supposed to.
Thank you sooooo so so much! I was about to sign up for this as a wedding/event coordinator as Lavish by Loper and I’m so glad I watched this video. Thanks for saving me the headache and money loss.
I am happy I helped. I am looking for other things so Ill keep everyone updated.
This is 100% true! I'm done with the thumbtack $hit. It's SHADY!
Thank you for backing me up.
This America. We should not have shady (illegal) businesses like this. Its time to work together and sue them for their illegal activities. Whose down?.
Tell me where to sign.
I filed arbitration with them. That’s the first step according to they’re terms. Arbitration costs them money so there’s a chance they’ll deny mine or anyone else’s arbitration and take the chance they don’t sue in court. If they do that you can sue on the grounds of violation of they’re own terms and conditions.
Only problem you have to sue them in San Francisco, you agreed to that when signing up to the app. Most people won’t travel to California to sue them.
It is possible to do though
@@meetstepsisalcoholicdouche6167 Can we please do an organized lawsuit for real? There are many people around who complain about this app and that have encountered shady things! Who is down to do something as a team?
The question is...how do we get organized? How do we as videographers & cinematographers create a similar platform? Hell, even a platform where "clients" pay a deposit and the fee is deducted from that would be nice. I understand they've promoted they heck out of themselves and with youtube and the platforms creators have could we reach out and make something for the people by the people?
I am a videographer..the projects people are wanting are ridiculous under valued. Also its so annoying that you auto pay for leads... like dude let me choose
I hear ya man!!!! They suck!
Honestly I’m starting my business of cleaning,I was thinking on post my services on thumbtack but after this to me sounds just like it’s not worth it,thank you for making this video ✌🏼
Im so sorry but yes... It isn't worth it.
Hesli Barajas don’t make that mistake. If you have to, advertise on a Craigslist for $5 you will save a tons of money and you will make a great money and more legitimate customers.
It's definently not worth it. They ate killing small business. I do home repair and these leads can be over 100.00!! I'm done
I was in a tight spot and put my faith into thumbtack spending the last but of money I had for leads. Built up 17 5 star reviews in 3 months. Poured every bit of me into this. Momentum was really good. Then they deleted my account and wouldn't tell me why. I have lost all momentum when I needed it the most. They don't care. Now my family of 7 are out of a home. I've lost everything because I put my faith into this one company. Never again. Stay away from all of these. If you do good work word of mouth always wins. But anyway, thanks thumbtack for taking alot of money from me and taking a business I worked so hard to build. My family really appreciates it.
totally agree with you, I have experienced everything you've mentioned. I stopped auto paying and now I NEVER get responses to my quotes.
Good for you!!! Thank you for watching!
This was very helpful. Thank you. I was about to sign up and just decided to do a lil research, you saved me a huge problem.
I am glad I was able to help.
Thumbtack tapped into the bot economy.
Please guys, take my advice. I just opened an account, and I never worked with them. However, they keep sending me bills every week. That's dangerous guys. Never deal with them!!
Thank you for the advice! This company isnt good!
I experienced same thing. As a professional personal trainer based in San Francisco, luckily i didn't put my credit card. I dont understand enrollment someone say hi to my post to get charged 17$, thT doesn't mean I got a client. If 10 people say hi where is my profit. I realized thumbtack is bullshit.
Exactly... I am so down for paying for leads... I don't care about that... But when its shady or false leads for them to charge me... Thats different...
It's basically microtransactions for work opportunities
Man, thanks for sharing this information. What a TERRIBLE system. I was just about to sign up local here in my home city but I was like...wait, I got a rule. Research it first. SO GLAD I did. Sorry you had this experience. I also don't mind paying for leads, that how it goes, that's normal business 101, but this is sketch as hell. Good channel bro! Keep shooting!
thanx dude, this helped me big time. i went through something similar with a company called Renovation Experts. they would send me a bunch of crap leads from clients that want their entire house painted for $50. in one month i went to 6 customers houses to do measures and give an estimate and the customers were rude, they were not happy with the program, and then acted like the stupid program was my doing and treated me like crap. and to boot, they wanted shit done for next to nothing and wasted my time driving out to do the free estimate. i was hoping thumbtack was different. Thanx for the heads up.
Wow... Ill keep looking for something man and Ill update the channel.
Thumbtack's system seems ripe for abuse. You can just picture some clever IT nerds concocting a system that generates just enough (false) leads to keep vendors on board while encouraging a "race to the bottom." Thanks for this and good luck to you.
I agree... I am surprised its still around.
From October to now (December) Ive been charged $650 and made $1070(excluding gas, equipment rentals). The leads are so expensive. Hope this helps the next person.
Wow... Thakn you!
2022, NYC, Electrical Leads $50+ with no guarantees
I just stopped mine because of this video but also for the fact that im tired of being charged and no one responds to me after they have reached out to me via direct leads. I may have gotten a good lead maybe 3 times out of maybe $200-$300 spent. Now trying to find other means of advertising. What does anyone think of valpak?
Those bastards got me for 10 bucks. Then I closed my account
Yup!
Yes, this video.! As an administrative assistant, I felt the vibes were sketchy as well. I signed up on 9/28 and for 2 weeks, nada on ANY communication from potential leads. Ok, possibly during Covid, sure understandable. However, then all of a sudden, get 2 leads in one day, how exciting right ? Then after I replied to both customers, then OMG, I received 3 more texts that I had more clients reaching out ?! Lol at that point, it was confirmed to me, something sketchy was going on. Thank you for the video! I deactivated my account last night because they kept charging me every time I received a direct lead, so $50 later, nada but I’m disputing the charges with my bank this morning. Good luck to all and don’t be discouraged to not continue with your business idea, there are other ways and stay focused and network !!!
Thank you! Yeah a lot of shady situations happen and its easy for them to send "fake" leads for sure.
I can't say how thumbtack was awhile back, but now it is the worse company I have ever worked with, like so many I have had multiple people requested my service and once thumbtack gets my money I never hear back from the so called customer. I removed my credit card info from their website and contacted my credit card company to get charge backs. I don't mind paying for good leads however that has not been the case. What a ripoff!
Same here! Thank you for the comment.
Thanks for the video, Jeremie. I did very well with Thumbtack for a couple of years, and most of my business (English tutoring) came from them. Pretty consistently, one third of all my leads become clients. But in the last few months they just haven't been giving me leads any more. I think it's because they've totally shifted their focus to home improvement businesses, because that's there the money is right now. At the same time, I think it's that they're saturated: I see hordes of tutors listed there now, and it seems like I can't rank high on their search results now no matter how good my profile gets. Maybe it works well for some people and badly for others. Or maybe it works for a while and then it doesn't.
I agree... It probably is amazing for some. My experience wasn't that great. I reached out to them too but no response.
I hate thumbtack. i am constantly being charged for leads that are not even in the same state as my preferred area. i live in SC and get charged for leads needing a videographer in AZ NY CA and i ask for a refund and thumbtack just denies me and keeps doing it. I put up with it for months and now i'm done with this platform. It turned into a big loss for my bottom line.
Consumers should stay away from this company as well. App-based companies have taken over where old fashioned leg work, advertising and word of mouth have fallen off for business owners who are looking for customers. The consumer is at the mercy of these companies who list so-called pros who may or may not be licensed. The companies claim that they do background checks on contractors but a general search of some of these businesses reveal that they are not registered within their state as an actual business. Buyer beware!....
After jumping through their lame hoops I'm leaving them now! BTW, I just reported them to the BBB too.
I did that when I filmed this video.
What's the correct BBB number to call?
I recently created an account and have been polishing it up but I too had some doubts. After finding your video, I'm going to be re-considering my decision.
Thanks for your honest feedback!
Thank you for watching. Tell me how it goes if you start it up. After losing a ton of money my first month I was out.
I've been on Taskrabbit for three months now and other than the horrible app. I'm loving it. Not even going to bother with Thumbtack. I'm more a handyman than a photographer.
Taskrabbit does have a photographer section but I have had no bookings on it yet.
How did they get so famous. That business model is absolutely horrendous.
They changed their pricing without telling anyone. At the beginning it was $5 per lead.
Thank you for this review on Thumbtack. I'm a small business owner and I signed up for TT but was on the fence about paying for leads.I looked at my competition on TT and the ones that seem to get the most work are charging below the industry standard ( I am a home organizer). I'm still leery about paying for leads and plan not to after hearing your feedback and from others that also had a similar experience.
Its tough for sure. I hate the idea of paying for leads that arent real leads. I want more control of my money.
Thumbtack definitely rips people off. They charge me $60+ for each lead and im a DJ
I was going to sign up ,but after being with home advisor , got a couple paint jobs then was shelling out money for leads that were fake. They must pay people just to contact me for a free estimate, costs me over $100. After researching you tube and your video i decided against all lead services!Im using social media like next door. Way cheaper to advertise.I use craigslist too! Home advisor owns angies list too btw!
Thank you for the feedback. Yeah its a shame they play this game.
That explains why, after being quiet for a few years, Angieslist is suddenly after me to advertise on the front page. Home Advisor is the new name for the now defunct Service Magic. Same crooked players under a different name.
Angieslist had it right in the beginning. The client pays a small fee to browse qualified contractors. No cost to contractors. That's the way all of them should operate.
Unless the client has some skin in the game they're not serious!
@@klmbuilders5385 Angie's list is working for me but not as good as I want because most leads are an hour away. My town leads come from google mostly .I advertise with them too sometimes reviews help alot! Craigslist is good too for 5 bucks.
Thumbtack uses bots as fake leads. There are tons of reddit posts about Photographers experiences. They are most likely doing this because weddings have slowed down due to inflation and people are not spending nearly as much money.
Im having some problems with the lack of cs. I can't for the life of me figure out how to send a link to a prospect to review my reviews. All the help leads nowhere. I also tend to agree with a lot of what you said but im still with them for now.
Thanks so much bro!! for all this info. I am a photographer and Filmmaker here in Miami and i almost sign up to Thumbtack looking for extra leads. Thanks for opening my eyes man.
I am so glad. I really wished it worked but it looks like greed got to them.
same bad experience of Thumbtack for me
I hear it a ton!
They gave me a lead, and when i saw it, i saw that another dj had already been hired. still charged me $20. for. nothing.
Scam city!
Thumbtack doesn't give much information about themselves. They wouldn't allow me to build an account without a credit card. Now I don't know who to pay, the Pro cleaner or Thumbtack, but I don't want to get charged twice.
I made this video so long ago. I guess they are still crap.
You said it Jeramie. you are absolutely right. I have same experience and end up in deactivating the account.
I am happy I am not the only one.
You answer some of the questions I had. thanks.... Imagine $25X how many vendors they send this leads to. that's a lot of money per person.
I'm glad I didn't quit my job for these fake leads
Its so frustrating!
And THIS is why I made my app. Reffyy was made so people could find experts and those experts don't have to pay for leads ever.
I have been with them for many years, as a Computer Consultant. Did get some very good leads and their fees were just a $3.33 per lead (now $5). Still, most of the leads did not pan out as the bidding is very competitive. In recent years, they will suggest leads from all over the New England area, and NYC. My fees are very low relative to most service businesses, so it is not worth it to travel very far from my home base of Stamford, CT. If you are in IT, it is better to get corporate work from agencies such as TEK Systems. These assignments can often last two years or more, with a regular weekly paycheck. Thumbtack can provide side work if you really want it, but you cannot count on anything steady.
Thank you so much for sharing this and your experience. I never got the chance to see how it would work for me.
I would never make an account with them!
I learned the hard way.
Thumbtack uses bots as fake leads. There are tons of reddit posts about Photographers experiences. They are most likely doing this because weddings have slowed down due to inflation and people are not spending nearly as much money.
Im a small business owner in mole extermination, and after getting burned from other service providers I learned fast about doing research before pulling the trigger. Thank God I did in this case as well. Have you tried Task Rabbit? A lot of these places seem like they're too controlling and don't let you promote your business. I have a website and certain pricing, but these third parties seem to never be transparent or respect how we run our business. I AM looking for a professional referral service to get more clients, so if you have found such companies please let me know. Thank you for the video! I have enough headaches without adding thumbtack on the list.
Have you found any other great ways to get leads?
So you tried it for a month and that's it?
I'm a full time wedding ph'er, just like you and I've been in Thumbtack for about two years and I treat it as a "second income" . I only use it for small gigs like engagement sessions, courthouse weds, portraits, etc. and it works for me because I NEVER LOOK FOR LEADS. That's how you loose money, just like you did. I simply wait for people to contact me. If you have an interesting profile to show of people will contact you. Always.
If you set up 'Direct match' then you get charged only for the type of client that you're looking for. Meaning you set up your minimum wage, hourly rate, coverage time, etc and if people contact you with those variables that you want they charge you at a lower rate. (a much lower rate) i.e. I get a lead from someone who's budget is lower than the one I set up, but because they contacted me directly I get charged, well since the client's budget is lower and doesn't want my services I do get a refund from that lead since I did post my starting price point. Does that make sense?
You need to invest the time and truly know how to work it because for 2019 Thumbtack was my 40% of yearly income.
Thank you for the input.
how do the clients review the service by a pro? I mean does the pro send a request to client to review their service after job is done or is it thumbtack automatically send review form to client to provide a review?
That’s a great question. Sadly I am not sure. I’m hopeful someone else will know.
I started making money when I started and then they deactivated my account for no reason!!!! I asked to talk to a manager and they said we won’t reconsider. Thumbtack is horrible!
Shady company!
Thanks bro was about to sign up but you definitely mad me think twice. Somebody is always trying to take advantage of some one.
Dude.. I am glad I could help!
thumbtack deactivated my account 3 min after i signed up and added $200 with no refund
Omg that’s scary! People are too fucking greedy man. I’ll stay far away from this company.
Super Greasy!
im A DJ commenting from another profile im logged into but yes i spent $300 on leads in less than 2 weeks because thumbtack was just taking every dollar from my bank account on "leads" and my bank started to deny so many requests because they thought it was fraud and thank god that happened, if not they would of took a lot more. I started to wonder the same, if the leads were even real. There's nothing to assure you that the leads are real. I supposedly have one guy that's going to book me and I actually spoke to on the phone and i hope it's true but if he does i would kind of break even. And same i do really really good for the past 10 years with word to mouth but i was just trying to fill in small gaps as well and reach other potential clients. ill update if anything changes
I'm thankful to have found this. I just opted OUT of their system. It's a no for me. Hey the intro to your video is HOT! The music and everything!
Ha... Thank you for the kind words.
Best review for thumbtack listen to this dude careful. Thanks a lot
Wow... thank you!
I opened an account 3 weeks ago and I think thumbtack is a scam since they can take your money whenever they want. Most of the people looking for services don’t even have a profile picture. Thanks for the video.
I agree completely!
Sounds like a great deal for whoever started thumbtack.
Right?
@@JeramieLu thankyou for doing this 🙏🏼
Thank you forb this video. Great explanation on how Thumbtack works and rips you off. I also liked how you explained the types of clients that would use Thumbtack. not what I'm looking for in clientele. THANKS AGAIN!!!!
I am so happy it was helpful. Im bummed they work this way...
Thanks for posting this! More pros need to come out and expose them! I searched for this because I was thinking about making a video as well.
Thank you for watching... We need to look out for each other for sure!!!
Organized lawsuit as a group! That’s the only way! Someone has to gather pros that are disappointed with Thumbtack
It used to be sssooo good. The prices were reasonable, the leads were plentiful. I started with them in 2015/2016 i believe. I took a break and just reactivated my account in july and im shocked, what the hell are these prices? Im not getting any leads, its grimey now. Im probably going to delete my account again
Someone got too greedy!!!
Thumbtack rules continue to change. Honestly its been great for me but the analytics show Thumbtack is really only good for home services. The majority of the people are looking for the best value at the lowest price. As for things like photographym djs, graphic designers, creative things its not.
But for me its been great.
Yeah that makes sense!!
How do your experiences differ?
Crazy because I can’t get feedback from the vendor. This is a horrible application
Oh wow... I emailed them and I got a response a week later.
Crazy everybody is out for blood WeddingWire, Thumbtack, Bark etc...😮 I guess it's nothing like a good old hustle to just keep putting hardworking in! MIA life forever 🎉🎉
Can we take them to court!
I met a female that I think is entrapped in a past life experience of mine that I can't even tell what time barrier but the way I could tell that she could have been me in the past is because she got her boobs done and acted as if she had known me forever. Well... that just came to mind. so... am yeah I just thought the worst that an enemy could live a life span of yours and met you in your present life and the reason you feel as if you wan't to kill them is because in that past sex they did everything that makes you feel unattractive or that you find to be unattractive about another person. And pretended to love who you disposed of in that life like a humiliating bad habit for the money because your parents are still entrapped in a few time barriers too for not spending enough time with you but no worries I've been similar or worse and what the hell...I'm still here so I might as well pretend to be enjoying myself is my sweetest revenge.
This is like a lifetime movie!! Good for you for seeing the positive.
exactly, I tried 4 years ago was ok, now, I tried last month, and they are doing exactly what your saying,rip off.
Weird right?
@@JeramieLu scam
Hi I'll like to share my experience with tt. I am a tile setter Certified and I tried tt for 1 mth and what you are saying is true they charge you when a client makes contact and charge you by how big the project is and how much they think it's worth. It's not cheap. I've gotten 2 bids and yes I did go to their property but never recived the jobs bc most of them want super cheap. I lost $100 for both bids plus on top of that lost my time to drive there, lost gas, wasted my breath explaining. I noticed the same thing too. Ppl will contact me and I'll be charged $35+. I canceled my account and tumbtack started blowing my phone up with different numbers that I would block all the same but they tried their hardest to get me back on. Hell no, never again. I had to change my business number bc of those ignorant ppl. Angilist is tt owned too.
Definitely do an update on this. I was feeling the same about how much my mom was spending on there with her cleaning business 🤦🏾♂️
They prey on small businesses. Scam just like Angie’s list
Thumbtack uses bots as fake leads. There are tons of reddit posts about Photographers experiences. They are most likely doing this because weddings have slowed down due to inflation and people are not spending nearly as much money.
This couldn't be more true, and there's another "dog" out there, from across the "Pond." We know who. I have had to demand credit refunds from the dog. And whereas the latter makes you pre-purchase shady leads starting at $100 (2023), Thumbtack debits your account for crappy leads they actively send. You, the talent, are rendered passive. When that happens, a temptation for scam runs high. Leads who have odd handles-that is not an oxymoron-seem too coincidental. Many leads have foreign names, which, even as handles, makes for a more convenient way to duck scrutiny. Pay-to-play is a fact of life in today's business. These don't seem like honorable players, though. No doubt they've spawned copycats who can't resist the temptation. Maybe stick to traditional word-of-mouth until we all have vetted players in this land of P2P.
I wish I would have seen this before I signed up. SMH what a scam.
Long story short. This is the 2nd place for Craigslisters tire kickers to go to🤷🏻♂️.
Yup!
Truly appreciate the information.
Thank you so much!
Thanks for the great evaluation
Agree 100%. Not for every business if for any at all. Bark.com is similar, but at least you get the person contact info and you can contact them directly. I get better leads from Bark.com even though it is not near as popular as Thumbtack. (I am not affiliated with bark.com at all)
I have heard about Bark about 10 times through this. I might have to check them out.
Omg its horrible and the minute I realized it’s a screw and deleted my cc info, they swamped me with potential leads
Its not a good time!
Glad I didn't pay them yet the leads they keep sending me must be bogus.
Oh wow!
@@JeramieLu yeah I get texts about jobs and emails.
Thumbtack robs people. Take your money without you even being hired. Shady.
They charge you even if you don’t do the job,that sucks
Exactly!
200 dollars gone and no lead responded🤦
That sucks!! I am so sorry!!
Cant change your mind. I am wanting to jump off a friggin bridge with all the money they have taken from me.
you never turn on Targeting and never put in your card information .You can still contact people .
Hmmm... I am not sure that was the case with me. Without a card I wasnt ablke to contact anyone.
How
You can't contact anyone without a CC on your profile. Actually your profile won't even be seen by potential customers if a CC. & targeting are not set up. So just stop misinforming people reading the comments here
Couple hundred later and 0 jobs sold. It's a scam to prey on small business. I get more work from customer referrals than this lead service. 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
Yup!!!!!
Hi Jeremie
I have noticed that thumbtack is promoting only doing work on the side people, and their customers are not willing to spend $30 an hour on average. I have tried them and what's suspicious that most of the times this clients are not responding at all
regards
Sebastian
Yup... They have some really shady practices.
thank you buddy for the info about this scammers
Anytime!!!
What a great way for competitors to abuse each other.
What do you mean?
@@JeramieLu competitor posing as a client looking for a service. You give a quote in hopes of gaining a lead, and you get a stoopid reply, which will result in a lot of lost money to pay for a lead, that in this case won’t payout, because it’s a competitor looking to financially harm you.
@@samueljames5167 Dude yes!!!!!! I even thought the staff at Thumbtack was part of this too so they could charge for false leads. Its so shady! People have too much time on their hands!
Organized lawsuit otherwise it’s blah blah blah
Thumbtack is a huge scam. Fake leads, shared leads, no refunds
I agree!
Hello Jeramie, I signed up for thumbtack today and started with $80.
Everything is shady with the company, the fake leads and even the way the whole site works .
One big question tho, I didn’t actually open any Opportunities nor get any direct leads [ Basically Didn’t use the website but I did sign up with $80] do I still get charged for basically not using the website at all?
They dont give a shit for you business or anyone else.
EXACTLY!
We need a fair competition webdesigner create something fair
That might be a good new adventure to start/
What kind of website do you want. I'll try.