This is one of the most important and most overlooked scenes in the film. It's true. Both Jimmy and Sean are fairly normal people leading fairly normal lives because they didn't get in the car. Dave on the other hand got in the car and while he is trying to lead a normal life, something in him changed forever and he's forever just a shell of a normal human being.
The idea of these two guys remaining unaffected was reinforced numerous times throughout the movie, and it was made very plain. It was done more effectively near the end. So really, this scene is not important. It is the opposite. It is superfluous.
Michael Keaton Was originally casted as Sean. No offense to Kevin but Micheal woulda owned that role .. Keaton got into argument with Clint which is why Kevin was cast
WHY would you wanna replace BY FAR the best actor in this entire movie in Bacon when you can replace others with Keaton, bud??? I love Keaton however Bacon gave such an incredible performance. If there's ANY cast member, that you should replace, it's EASILY Penn and he should have been replaced by Mickey Rourke. Penn was hamming up, overacting the hell off of his scenes and made every scene of his just dishonest and forced, which if performed by a great actor could have been heartbreaking.
If we focus on the context of the dialogue, the rule break fits perfectly in there. They talk about Hitlers mum doing a complete 180 on her decision to abort Hitler. The camera language communicates this switch instantaneously to mirror the chaos/disorder created by keeping him alive, yet it draws parallels into their world by purposefully and uncomfortably breaking the 180 rule knowing if one of them had gone into that car, their life path would've completely flipped in a different direction.
I love this movie and this scene so much! Nothing couls ruin it. The literal only fault i can find with this movie is the bad ADR that sticks out like a sore thumb at 38 seconds in this video. And in my opinion its a masterpiece.
The part when Jimmy said, if I would've gotten in that car. I would've been a basket case. I wouldn't have had the juice to go near Maria, my first wife. Katie wouldn't have been born and she wouldn't have been murdered. That is a weird thing to say about your own kid. Especially right after you just found out, they were murdered. If that car didn't show up on their street, that would've made a big difference in Dave's life.
I dont think its that weird considering that even nor Jimmy or Sean got in the car it was a traumatizing experience for them both as kids. In those kind od situations The what if...?questions probably pop a lot i imagine.
I get what you're saying. Another way I look at it, Jimmy and Sean probably were thinking can you believe, this happened to someone we know?! Lots of kids have been kidnapped over the years. Some come back and some don't. It should never happen in the first place.
Yes. Bill Murray was the playing himself, and the role didn’t require that much emotional range. Also, I think he was miscast. Yes, I know Sofia Coppola wrote the role with him in mind, but “Groundhog Day” Bill Murray was what she had in mind, and he was already 10 years past that, which made his pairing with ScarJo gross, even if nothing “happened”.
This is one of the most important and most overlooked scenes in the film. It's true. Both Jimmy and Sean are fairly normal people leading fairly normal lives because they didn't get in the car. Dave on the other hand got in the car and while he is trying to lead a normal life, something in him changed forever and he's forever just a shell of a normal human being.
Yes
@@jon8004 did the abducted boy get assfkked in this movie
@@jon8004 yes. If kidnap only is that traumatic to affect him growing up and being a kinda weirdo
Well said.
The idea of these two guys remaining unaffected was reinforced numerous times throughout the movie, and it was made very plain. It was done more effectively near the end. So really, this scene is not important. It is the opposite. It is superfluous.
Well deserved Oscar.
This scene itself made the movie worth watching .
Sean is awesome
Michael Keaton Was originally casted as Sean. No offense to Kevin but Micheal woulda owned that role .. Keaton got into argument with Clint which is why Kevin was cast
I still think Kevin did a very very good job in this movie. Really showed his range as an actor.
@@ivaso3674 he did but man the ending of this movie pissed me off
I think Kevin was the right choice he is an under rated actor. He bought a certain darkness to this role
That would have restarted Michael Keaton's career 10 years before Birdman, goddamn that's too bad.
WHY would you wanna replace BY FAR the best actor in this entire movie in Bacon when you can replace others with Keaton, bud??? I love Keaton however Bacon gave such an incredible performance. If there's ANY cast member, that you should replace, it's EASILY Penn and he should have been replaced by Mickey Rourke. Penn was hamming up, overacting the hell off of his scenes and made every scene of his just dishonest and forced, which if performed by a great actor could have been heartbreaking.
y is there like no volume?
Wow they jumped the 180 line BIG TIME
I think it was warranted since they needed to establish where the scene was taking place.
If we focus on the context of the dialogue, the rule break fits perfectly in there. They talk about Hitlers mum doing a complete 180 on her decision to abort Hitler. The camera language communicates this switch instantaneously to mirror the chaos/disorder created by keeping him alive, yet it draws parallels into their world by purposefully and uncomfortably breaking the 180 rule knowing if one of them had gone into that car, their life path would've completely flipped in a different direction.
Some of us were born to Act!
I love this movie and this scene so much! Nothing couls ruin it. The literal only fault i can find with this movie is the bad ADR that sticks out like a sore thumb at 38 seconds in this video. And in my opinion its a masterpiece.
Can you please learn about audio levels?
He only has sad roles on his movies
The part when Jimmy said, if I would've gotten in that car. I would've been a basket case. I wouldn't have had the juice to go near Maria, my first wife. Katie wouldn't have been born and she wouldn't have been murdered. That is a weird thing to say about your own kid. Especially right after you just found out, they were murdered. If that car didn't show up on their street, that would've made a big difference in Dave's life.
I dont think its that weird considering that even nor Jimmy or Sean got in the car it was a traumatizing experience for them both as kids. In those kind od situations The what if...?questions probably pop a lot i imagine.
I get what you're saying. Another way I look at it, Jimmy and Sean probably were thinking can you believe, this happened to someone we know?! Lots of kids have been kidnapped over the years. Some come back and some don't. It should never happen in the first place.
Did Sean Penn truly deserve the Oscar over Bill Murray for Lost in Translation ?
Yes. Bill Murray was the playing himself, and the role didn’t require that much emotional range. Also, I think he was miscast. Yes, I know Sofia Coppola wrote the role with him in mind, but “Groundhog Day” Bill Murray was what she had in mind, and he was already 10 years past that, which made his pairing with ScarJo gross, even if nothing “happened”.
Hell yes he did
Sean's hair just ain't happen'in
You must be really young cos to have hair like that at his age is badass no matter what hes doin with it
Bro what? His hair was legit as hell in this movie
Mickey Rourke shoudla has penn role
good acting, good themes,,,, but the movie is kinda stupid