What if Hoover Was President Earlier?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Herbert Hoover is considered one of the worst presidents in US history. And he was a bad president. But things could have been far different if he simply decided to run for office eight years earlier. Despite his bad reputation now, Hoover was once popular for his charity and philanthropy. What if he had ran in 1920 instead of 1928?
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This is a collab with Mr. Beat and Emperor Tigerstar! They made their own presidential alternate histories too.
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Suggestion: What if the U.S. joined the League Of Nations after World War 1 ended?
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So are you gonna do what if Germany became communist instead of fascist now?
Hey Cody. Was wondering if you could do a what if Japan was split in two between the Soviets and Allies. Or even better yet could you do another alternate history competition.
WHAT IF JFK and MLK were not assassinated. 1 timeline.
What if Teddy Roosevelt had a 3rd term. And
What what if trump ran in 2004 and 2008.
He DID run in 1920, but the convention was moronic and nominated Harding instead. Double whammy of bad luck there for Herbert.
Ironically, given his later reputation as too conservative during the Depression, the Republican bosses thought Hoover was too progressive and nominated Harding because he was a conservative that stayed out of the ideological struggle in the Party. Harding named Hoover as his Secretary of Commerce and he was confirmed, Coolidge kept him on after Harding died, and he ran and won in 1928. At the worst possible time to be President.
This is why I suggested that Cody make this video.
@@iammrbeat Loved your eisenhower video
It was a good thing that Harding was nominated. Harding, contrary to historical opinion was an incredibly accomplished and great president. The main reason why people think he was bad was because of corruption. But the thing is, Harding himself was never corrupt, and it was his Cabinet, who was. And the rest of his Cabinet was great, with people like Herbert Hoover (ironic) and Charles Evans Hughes being given roles. To blame a man for others corruption which hardly impacted the every day American is weird. People forgive Ulysses Grant for his Cabinet's corruption, but for whatever reason, they dont for Harding. As for Hoover, Hoover was president at a great time, but because of his economic mismanagement, a recession became the Great Depression. Even a month after the Stock Market Crash, unemployment was still at 3.2%. Blocking free trade with the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, raising taxes with the Revenue Act, and restricting the free market with infrastructure projects in a way that the New Deal did as well will contribute a lot to making a recession or mild depression, a Great Depression. Had Hoover actually been a conservative like Harding, he would have cut taxes, and allowed the economy to flourish. Harding came into office with a depression, but left with the Roaring 20s as he cut the budget, cut taxes, and paid off national debt. There is a reason you dont hear about the Recession of 1926-1927, Depression of 1920-1921, and the Recession of 1945-1946, and that reason is the government cut taxes and its budget, and so the economy recovered. As I said before, Harding was a great president, with many accomplishments:
1. Ended the Wilsonian recession (1920-1921 recession)
2. Released political prisoners that got imprisoned under Woodrow Wilson
3. He pulled the country out of Woodrow Wilson’s politics
5. Opposed US intervention in Latin America
6. The roaring 20s began under him, with the economy growing 16% from 1921 to 1922. By his last year in office, unemployment reached a low of 2%. Manufacturing workers received an all time high paycheck of $22 a week
7. Implemented programs to help poor mothers which reduced infant mortality rates and deaths from child birth
8. Helped implement the 8 hour work day in the steel mills industry
9. Washington Naval Agreement, reducing the size of navies across the world to push for a better and less militant future
10. Dawes Plan
11. President Harding signed a peace treaty with Austria and Germany post World War 1.
12. Formally ended WW1
14. Signed the Sweet Act, which created the Veteran’s Bureau by combining several bureaucratic agencies and neatly combining them into one singular agency
15. Introduced the Federal Highway Act of 1921, improving national standards for roads by providing federal aid to states
16. Budget and Accounting Act, setting up the national budget system, and an audit of that system to reduce corruption
17. Capper-Volstead Act, aiding farmers from being unfairly attacked by anti trust laws which did not make sense in the realm of farming
19. Packers and Stockyards Act, prohibiting unfair practices, dividing supply, manipulating prices, and enacted monopolies in the meatpacking, livestock, and poultry industries
20. Reduced national debt and balanced the budget
21. Allowing Herbert Hoover to run the American Relief Administration, which saved over 10.5 million people from starvation, and provided medicine to millions. He signed the Russian Famine Relief Act which further helped this cause
22. Withdrew troops from Cuba and Germany
23. Put an end to the occupation of the Dominican Republic, ending an unjust occupation which had occurred because the US wanted more control over the country’s economy
24. Attempted to make lynching illegal, and was in support of expanding voting rights
25. Improving relations with Canada, by being the first sitting American president to tour and give a speech there
26. Narcotic Drugs Import and Export Act, further restricting the import and export of harmful drugs
27. Patent Act of 1922, informing the nation about how to establish their own patents
28. Established the Pipe Spring National Monument in Arizona
29. Per capita income increased
30. Harding's administration made U.S. banking more competitive internationally. It helped rebuild Europe after World War I. Harding established an open-door trading policy in Asia and negotiated trade deals with Malaysia and the Middle East
31. Suicide rate declined
32. Labor unrest declined
33. Racial unrest declined
34. Signed an executive order to transfer the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution to the Library of Congress, which eventually led Congress to create an exhibit for it. It was the first time the documents had been placed in an exhibit, allowing the public to view the documents for the first time in history
35. Extremely popular president
@@person3070 thank you so much for taking the time to write this and post it! These people have no idea!
I know Herbert Hoover is hated in America but here in Belgium he saved us from famine during the German occupation in WW1. We should replace all those Leopold II statues with Hoover statues.
Makes sense because King Leopold killed over 15 Million Africans or so
He used to be hated. Now, no one knows who he was.
Hoover is known as the Great Humanitarian as he saved millions of Soviets from starvation after WWI. But he's remembered for helping other countries and for neglecting his own.
That’ll be the second president that’s more popular in a foreign country than back at home.
Presidents weren’t forced to stop running but Washington’s two terms had been a form of an unspoken rule
As a non American, the only reason why I know Herbert Hoover is because of the Hoover dam in Fallout New Vegas
I thought it was named after a hoover vacuum
do you think herbert hoover had a thing for horses hooves
Hoover’s Russian famine relief was also a big part of his legacy overseas but it was before he became president so its not a presidential thing. He basically saved Bolshevik controlled Russia from collapsing but he also saved millions of people from certain death.
Imao that’s funny
I read the first part of the comment and I legit thought it was going to be one of those stupid-ass "as a _____ I can ___" comments
"Nobody remembers Calvin Coolidge"
American Libertarians: "Allow us to introduce ourselves"
Arizona: "We have a town and a dam named Coolidge"
Descendents: "We have a song called Coolidge! But it's not about Calvin at all"
That one scholarship that forces you to read his autobiography
@@PBSpiralGamer which one?
My favorite thing about Calvin Coolidge is that, when he died, Alice Roosevelt was quoted as saying, "...How can you tell?"
@@Web720 RUclips keeps deleting the comment, probably because of the link. If you look up "calvin coolidge scholarship" it should be the first search result
Crazy the similarities between Hoover and Carter, despite them being in different parties, from different parts of the country, and having very different political views. Both oversaw periods of economic turmoil, got kicked out of office in landslides after one term, and were generally viewed as bad presidents, but they both stayed alive for decades after and rehabilitated their public images through philanthropy and public service
And we have the current version of those 2: Joe Biden
Only he'll probably die sometime in the 2030s and I sure hope that like Hoover and Carter, he's a one termer.
And got replaced by Presidents that people either hate or love too. Never knew Hoover lived so long. Surprising a President from 1976 is still alive today.
They say that history doesnt repeat, but it does rhyme
@@TheLouisianan I dont think FDR was as controversial as Reagan. I think the term "strong" or something like that would be better
Nah. Nixon directly created the energy crisis of 1973-1983 because of his slavish devotion to Israel. Sound familiar? Because every single one of our Presidents have done the same thing since the end of WW2.
I am so happy I manipulated you into making this video. Mwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha
How despicable 😂
Well he’s not going to see it
7:21 oof, poor Coolidge. I find it extremely sad that very few people even remember Coolidge's presidency. I personally really like the guy and he had one very interesting political life. First he started out as a lawyer, slowly climbing up the political ladder within the Republican Party, eventually landing him as the 48th Governor for Massachusetts and later the Vice President to President Warren G. Harding. After Harding's sudden passing, Coolidge would be woken up in the middle of the night, get sworn in by his own father, and immediately go back to sleep like he didn't just become the 30th POTUS.
Coolidge did a lot of cool things while in office. He managed to restore public confidence in the White House by firing/imprisoning those who were a part of the Teapot Dome Scandal, he was a huge supporter of women's suffrage, he opposed prohibition, he dramatically cut back on government spending and managed to make 3 major tax cuts, he shrunk the federal debt by 1 quarter, he's one of the few presidents that managed to shrink the power and amount of people that served in the federal government, he was a supporter of Civil Rights (going as far as to make an attempt at making lynching a federal crime), he signed the Indian Citizenship Act, he made attempts to help Germany with it's war debt by creating the Dawes Plan, he helped aid the Mexican government to help stabilise them and strengthen our alliance with them, he strengthened ties with Cuba (he was also the first president to visit the island nation), he withdrew troops from the Dominican Republic to help get them back on their feet, and he made sure that no members of the KKK worked within the federal government.
Along with all of these accomplishments, he was also a very interesting person. He was quite introverted and didn't speak much (commonly being referred to as "Silent Cal." Some people even debate as to whether or not Coolidge, like Jefferson, had aspergers). He was also a huge animal lover who, similarly to Teddy Roosevelt, turned the White House into somewhat of a zoo (the guy even owned a friggin hippo named Billy for Christ's sake! Oh yeah, he also pardoned a raccoon that would later become his wife’s pet. The raccoon was named Rebecca). He was also a fervent non-interventionist, however he was willing to aid foreign nations when absolutely necessary. Despite being a Republican president, he was (rightfully) skeptical over his successor (Herbert Hoover) and felt like he’d mess up the economy (he was wrong about Hoover being the person who was responsible for destroying the economy, however his prediction of Hoover making things worse would turn out to be correct). After running a very successful presidency and being one of the most popular presidents during his own lifetime, he declined to run for a second term because he didn't think any president deserved to serve for more than 8 years, he no longer could relate to the new generation of Americans, and because he was very emotionally damaged after the loss of one of his sons.
The man was humble, calm, and considerate. Calvin Coolidge has become my 3rd favorite U.S. president in the last 2 years (only being beat out by Washington, Lincoln, and Teddy. Washington and Lincoln are tied for 1st btw, which technically makes Coolidge my 3rd favorite president). It's an absolute shame that people don't remember him, making him easily one of the most underrated and forgotten presidents in U.S. history. Lastly, here are some of his famous quotes that I feel are just as relevant today as they were back then:
“Unless the people, through unified action, arise and take charge of their government, they will find that their government has taken charge of them. Independence and liberty will be gone, and the general public will find itself in a condition of servitude to an aggregation of organized and selfish interest.”
“The nation which forgets its defender will be itself forgotten.”
“Don’t expect to pull up the weak by pulling down the strong.”
“The wise and correct course to follow in taxation is not to destroy those who have already secured success but to create conditions under which everyone will have a better chance at success.”
“The men and women of this country who toil are the ones who bear the cost of the government. Every dollar that we carelessly waste means that their life will be so much the more meager.”
“I want the people of America to be able to work less for the government and more for themselves. I want them to have the rewards of their own industry. This is the chief meaning of freedom.”
- Former U.S. President, Calvin Coolidge
Edit: Grammar/spelling and I also wanted to add some additional information about Coolidge. Have a good day and thx to the people who read the entire comment. Hopefully some people walk away with a new found interest and appreciation for Silent Cal :)
Fantastic essay on Calvin Coolidge. This convinced me to take a closer look at the “lame duck” presidents and really consider the good they have done. Every President has at least done 1 good thing.
@@TheRoyrule I fully agree, and thanks. Along with Coolidge, some of the other lesser known presidents I recommend you looking up are John Quincy Adams, James K. Polk, James A. Garfield, and William McKinley. All great people that did great things, but unfortunately have either been forgotten to time or were overshadowed by a successor (or in the case of Garfield, he died too soon in office. Still, he’s a very interesting person who did some great things prior to becoming president. There’s a reason he was so popular among the Republican Party and why he beat Ulysses S. Grant in the Republican nomination in the 1880 election).
Based cool Cal.
Can't say i agree with alot of His quotes, but seems Like a cool guy
@@enderkatze6129 hmmmm, now I’m kinda curious. What is it about his quotes that you dislike or disagree with?
Fun fact: Hoover IRL tried to do a comeback run for the Presidency in 1940, 8 years after he lost overwhelmingly. The Republican Convention of 1940 looked at the prospect of a Hoover comeback dragging the rest of the ticket down and was just "Thanks but no thanks" and went with Wendell Willkie instead.
Growing up being taught in school about the great depression i have to say hoover wasnt really done any favors, dude was basically a scape goat beating stick every teacher used on how not to be a president
Doesn't help that people are incorrectly taught that FDR handled the Great Depression well when it was coming to an end when Hoover left office but FDR's policies where so terrible the recovery came to an end and the Depression lasted an additional 15 years.
Hoover had Major Patton conduct a tank assault on the WWI Vets in Washington DC. Hoover earned his reputation.
@@ZontarDowunemployment wise yeah. Even by the end of the 30’s, unemployment was still over 10%.
@@Edax_Royeaux Of all of the things he did that was basically the only one which was actually bad.
@@ZontarDow Yeah the problem is that it's how he's remembered in the public consciousness given that the public saw Hoover as not doing anything due to an initial bootstrap policy, and then FDR came claiming to fix everything and then did things. Didn't matter that it hurt things more, just that he did something.
For someone who had the hoover named after him, he sure couldn't clean up his act
@here is the full clip you are the very thing you sought to make fun of
A-yo!!
Just finished a book on him today. Super underrated man in history, and deserves a change in how we learn about him. History class is unfair to him.
History classes praise FDR despite being a scumbag who screwed up the economy even more.
Hoover was an example of someone who came in at the precisely wrong moment of history.
The logical extreme of "right guy, wrong time."
The opposite of Winston Churchill you could say
@@michaelvanhout7614 Pretty much.
@@michaelvanhout7614 Winston Churchill ensured that the united kingdom left the war heavily in debt and it's colonies closer to breaking free than ever.
@@rance2799 If Churchill didn’t stand up and Britain left the war, the nazis would likely end up controlling the entire European mainland. No lend lease for USSR, no German forces tied up in North Africa, no bombardments on her weapon industry and most of all oil shipments could arrive from overseas, securing German oil reserves. The war would be even more destructive and deadly, even if the Soviet Union would eventually win. No matter who wins, the UK would find itself isolated in Europe as one of its last democracies. I can hardly believe this would be a better outcome for Britain. Furthermore, Britain’s financial situation was poor already before the war, the decay had already set in since WWI and the Great Depression. This war, at worst, only accelerated its dissolution.
I'd recommend 1920: The Year of 6 Presidents as a good read. Teddy Roosevelt was angling to be the compromise candidate in 1920, watching Wilson in office helped bury some hatchets, but then Teddy Roosevelt up and died creating chaos.
Really? Where’d you get this info from?
@@ryanelliott71698 Apparently the Republicans were considering Teddy as their choice, but he insisted that if he ran, the Republicans would run on a progressive platform, then he died in 1919. Saying Teddy Roosevelt was "supposed" to be the compromise is kind of exaggerated, but it could've happened.
@@ryanelliott71698The books title is actually 1920: The Year of 6 President, which is my mistake. But Chapter 4 is all about how Teddy was lining up support from his former allies and even winning over conservative rivals as the best bet for 1920. It wasn't a sure thing, nothing is, but when you have the leaders of the Conservative wing of the Republican Party saying in 1918 things like this: “There is but one candidate for president,” he said matter-of-factly. “He is the only candidate. I mean Theodore Roosevelt.” - that's a good sign for that candidacy.
@@MrMike855 Yes, "supposed to" should be substituted with more of a "the frontrunner at the time was"
In the French city of Lille, you will find a street named for Herbert Hoover. This confused me. Until I read about he saved much of the city and greater NE France-Flanders-wallonia region from starving. This guy meant much more to those people then to us. I found that very interesting
Perhaps France and Russia shouldn’t have started the war.
@@peterfireflylundI blame Austria hungary and Serbia
This is so sad, I wouldn’t want to live in a world without Calvin Coolidge as president💔
If he wasn't, I never would have gotten my usual online name.
Calvin Wholidge
keep cool with coolidge
Easily one of the top 5 presidents
I'm here for the Coolidge fan club.
Small correction about the Smoot-Hawley Tariff:
The tariffs were taxes on *imported* foreign goods rather than exported American goods, so the idea was to raise the price of *foreign* goods in order to make American goods more competitive domestically and protect American industry. American exports rose in price as a result of retaliatory tariffs.
Timestamp: 11:45
I'm also not really sure it's fair to say that Smoot-Hawley wouldn't have happened if not for Hoover - he opposed it (though he supported higher tariffs on agricultural imports to help farmers). It's just that a lot of his party supported it, so it seems like any Republican president at that time would have faced a lot of pressure for protectionist policies.
The strange thing is many textbooks say that the Smoot-Hawley Tariff decreased the amount of American goods bought by foreign countries and this turned any chance of what would have been a maybe 4 year recession into the depression. It's in a roundabout way true due to the retaliatory tariffs. But if you don't look at the context and take it at face value, you might assume it was a tax on exports not a tax on imports.
Foreign tariffs on exports were the *entirely predictable* but indirect result of the tariff on imports.
As a Canadian the only reason I know about him is because of a throw away line in home alone 2 💀
Three
@@YUVRAJSINGH-pz7zo Three what?
@@mytypamilkman Home Alone 3 2
I actually really like Hoover as a person and pity him for the hand he was dealt as President. He was an accomplished humanitarian who did a lot of good, especially during WW1 with arranging food shipments to a blockaded and starving Germany.
he just couldn’t bare the thought of using government money to fix a crippling depression. Oh well the goat FDR did it for him.
Calvin Coolidge is actually one of my favorite presidents. I’m happy to see him as VP. Also, Calvin Coolidge only ran for one term.
“Fun” fact: a sizable portion of the “Mexicans” deported during the Hoover administration were actually Mexican-AMERICANS, including many who’s families had lived in the area before it even became American!
interesting
The entire video being in black and white was a nice touch, I liked it
Mr. Beat and Cody collab? have i died and gone to heaven? best friday ever.
Here’s an idea: what if Reconstruction was actually successful or Lincoln was never assassinated?
My mind is on a history overload from Mr.beat to VloggingThroughHistory to This channel.
Hoover is like that one uncle no one talks about for some reason but he was actually a pretty chill guy who screwed up that one tome
I would love a vid on if the Sino-Soviet split never happened or was patched up in the 70s so much. It would be the coolest.
haha thanks to one of the other youtubers for letting me watch this a little early :D
I did, in fact, know Calvin Coolidge was president... mostly cause he had a pet raccoon and that was pretty cool.
Rob Schneider: "You know, Herbert Hoover used to stay here for a while!"
Macaulay Culkin: "The vacuum guy?"
Rob Schneider: "No, the president!"
First time I heard of that guy.
What If Jack Lang actually started an Australian Civil War?
"Please stop burning, Nothing else burn!"
-Caboose, "Red vs Blue"
Alternate History's Hub + Mr Beat goes hard ngl
Funny how we tend to regard Hoover as bad but Wilson as good, just because they happened to be tied to specific eras of history.
People also forget that Hoover would later run the FBI. So he’s not an irrelevant figure. He stuck around and would influence many aspects of US politics.
Where Wilson largely disappeared because he died shorter after his election.
EDIT: I'm owning this mistake. I genuinely believed that the same Hoover would take over the FBI. That Hoover is J Edgar Hoover. So I am owning that hilarious f up.
Even now we see POTUS just in relation to their time like Nixon and Carter and the 70's, Reagen in the 80's and Clinton in the 90's.
Ya, that's the odd thing. I didnt actually know Hoover was president. I have definitely heard it before, but the fact never stuck in my head. I more solidly knew him from his time in the FBI, which was probably why I raised an eyebrow when this video came up to begin with.
The Hoover that ran the FBI was J Edgar Hoover, who is completely different and not related to Herbert Hoover the president
@@FudoKun You know what, I'll own this mistake, because it actually makes it funnier that this man is such an enigma that I mixed him up with a completely different "Hoover."
Different Hoovers btw.
I hate to tell you this, but you're kind of off base on Hoover's economic world view in the 1920s. He didn't become a free market guy until after his presidency, and the idea that he was was basically FDR propaganda. While he was secretary of commerce he was constantly proposing various regulations and interventions into the economy. He basically created the blueprint for the WPA back in the early 1920s.
I like how Jimmy is absolutely frightened from getting a sponser.
are you the real brain griffin
-burger40
So when is the Hooverville plush coming out complete with looks of despair from all of its citizens?
So basically 1920's Reagan not 1920's Carter
If you still take recommendations for other Alt-history scenarios, perhaps put this idea on the list:
What if Michigan kept the Toledo Strip?
As a Michigander I would also like to see this outcome.
One of the alternate history thoughts I've always thought about is what if the United Staes of America (the country) devolved and formed... the United States of America (the union). I've always thought about how each state would work as if they were a country and how that'd affect relationships between states (say Pennsylvania, New York, and Virginia). I think it'd be cool if you did a take on it.
A lot of people have done takes on that
Showing this video to my grandma who grew up in the same town as HH. Spent quite a few summers at his library in West Branch IA. Beautiful place.
So Cody, can you do a video about what would happen if the Inca Empire never existed?
Imagine being Hoover, beloved president and running for a third term in 1928, winning, and then your previous 8 years are just totally thrown in the garbage because of how royally you managed to cock things up.
I don't think the GOP would recover for a while, since people would at least for a time go "but what about Hoover" to any promising GOP candidate. Like maybe at least until the 50s or 60s.
Idea: we make the "like Jimmy Carter" thing a meme on this channel
I'd like to see an alternate history video on what if Italy joined the Central Powers instead of the Entente in world War 1. Then again, that scenario might have been covered in the series where you talked about what if Germany won WW1. Because according to History Matters, the PM at the time quit to see how the king would react. The king said no, so Italy joined the Entente.
The Treaty of London may have had a lot to do with Italy joining the Entente.
16:29 the executive director of the NAACP mentioned in the passage:
(Unfortunately his middle initial was F, not H)
It is difficult to say with certainty what would have happened if Herbert Hoover had become president earlier than he did. Hoover was the 31st President of the United States, serving from 1929 to 1933. He was president during the Great Depression, which was a period of economic downturn and hardship for many Americans.
If Hoover had become president earlier, it is possible that he may have had a different approach to addressing economic issues and may have had more time to implement policies that could have had a positive impact on the economy. However, it is also important to consider the specific historical and economic circumstances that were present at the time Hoover was president, and how these may have shaped his policies and decisions.
It is important to remember that history is shaped by a complex interplay of various factors, and it is difficult to say with certainty what would have happened if any one event had occurred differently.
I enjoyed those last possibilities you added in! It makes the scenario really seem like it ripples out of our understanding :D Good video and Happy New Year!
I didn't look at the thumbnail and thought this will be Buchanan
It’s funny whenever he mentions something no one probably knows about, I vaguely remember it from my APUSH classes, like I didn’t remember what the Smoot-Hawley tariff tax was, but I knew the same in the back of my brain
7:25 there is one very important person who remembered Calvin Coolidge and viewed him as his role model . It was Ronald Reagan
Ew.
You shold read Nicholas Taleb's famous "The Black Swan" (2007) for future scenarios.
Justice for Hoover
I'm surprised there hasn't been a movie made about Hoover starring Kiefer Sutherland
@AlternateHistoryHub, I know you’ve done a video about this like 9 years ago, but an updated version wouldn’t hurt. What if Rome Never Fell!
Can you do one if Calvin Coolidge ran in 1928 too?
Its snowing in nw England AND a new alt history video, what a almost Christmas
Okay, here's the only reason I remember Calvin Coolidge.
A sketch on the late 90s cartoon Histeria! on the WB.
Some thoughts: a) I don't think its that unrealistic to imagine Hoover being nominated. If you read John Dean's book on Harding, it appears that Harding's minions outhustled all the other dark horse candidates. If Hoover had been a little more organized and Harding a little less so, the smoke-filled room could have picked Hoover.
b) To say that Hoover believed in laissez-faire is sort of an exaggeration; he was a very activist Secretary of Commerce and was definitely to the left of Harding and Coolidge.
If it hasn’t been done already, you should make a sequel like: “what if FDR had not won the presidency.” or something like that.
it pains me when people say calvin is a forgotten president, he's one of my personal favorite presidents
What if France won the Franco-Prussian War?
Here’s an idea what if William Jennings Bryan won the presidency?
I do really enjoy you usually, if not always, try to justify how it could have started. In a lot of situations you could easily go the lazy way and just say "it just happens somehow"
18:38 I never knew Walter White was the executive director for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) before going to Albuquerque and starting a meth empire
Bookmark the no FDR scenario for later. I can even propose the divergence: he's successfully assassinated so Cactus Jack becomes president according to the 20th amendment
Imagine being viewed in such a bad light, your remembered less then the founder of the FBI and “the vacuum guy.”
I had no idea the concept of “Meatless Mondays” was that old.
Never been this early for one of your videos
It would be cool to see a alternate history on if John Adam’s won the US 1800 elections or if Alexander Hamilton became president in 1796 (He had a chance if he never cheated on his wife), or if the Federalist Party never fell/fell later
*VIDEO SUGGESTION:*
What if The Watergate Scandal didn't happen, and Nixon got to finish his second term as President?
Oh wow, I just wrote an essay on this.
Oh boy can't wait to learn how we once again live in the worst timeline
My last of hope is getting crushed
Don't forget that the poisoning of Alcoholic Drinks would most likely still happen, as Hoover was one of the main supporters behind that...
What do you call two slices of bread with nothing in between them? A Hoover sandwich.
What do you call newspapers stuffed into your clothes to ward off the cold? A Hoover blanket.
What do you call a shanty town of families living in tar paper lean-tos? A Hooverville.
What do you call a soup made of noodles, potatoes, rice and if you had some hotdogs? A Hoover stew.
Ah yes Herbert Hoover the inventor of the vacuum
Another reason for why the Democrats lost in 1920 was because the Irish American and German American voters either stayed home or voted Republican because they were pissed at Wilson. The Irish were mad that Hoover said he would talk to the British Prime Minister at Versailles about Ireland's right to self-rule but never did and the German Americans were mad that Wilson brought the US into WW1 and the persecution it brought on them.
Hoover got shafted by history 🥺
7:20 Me, whose favorite president is Calvin Coolidge: 🥲
What about the Dawes and Young plans? How would an early Hoover presidency affect those?
A presidency without Calvin Coolidge is a sad thing to think about.
1928 was one of years that was cursed to be a poisoned chalice for any political leader
Missed your content.
during the orphaned bit he lived with his aunt and uncle in my home town in Oregon
The house is a museum
Harding was such a slimeball that any alternate history that gets rid of him is a good one in my opinion.
I have enough hope in that no-fdr timeline that I'll add "get hoover to run earlier" to my to-do list once i get a time machine.
Probably lose ww2 or don't even join.
@@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 It's possible a lessened Great Depression would have stopped Hitler from rising to power.
An alternate history where big bird was actually on the challenger space mission
The only reason that I as a British person know that Coolidge was president is simply because my great great grandfather polished his shoes at Penn Station in 1924 the day prior to moving back to England. Pretty cool guy apparently, great tipper too, he gave my grandfather $3 (about 50 bucks today)
Waited for this drop Cody, you're awesome. Edit: Also Cody, Hoover's presidency reminds me of how the establishment tried to paint Trump. Just observation nothing more.
I don't wanna get political here, but I just want to point out there are few people more entrenched in the "establishment" than a rich real estate mogul who is in charge of one of the two political parties in America.
@@jakemurray2635 We can classify establishment elite further past land ownership and money tho in modern times when ignorant control is the name of the game tho yes? I'm not saying what you said isn't lost on me but corruption has changed how it shapes. I truly believe the illuminati controls shit but that's cause I've researched that "conspiracy theory" stuff to actually know that the illuminati is 13 bloodlines mocking the tribes of Israel in the freemasonry lodge. Real shit you gotta talk to grassroot mason members tho and be related to them to get that info. Someone can be one of the 13 bloodlines but not be a mason member until found and inducted and worked through and brought high enough in the ranks to be considered truly the term Illuminati. No bloodline and they're not. They're just a highly corrupted and networked person. See how funny it works out. They're all corrupt just some of them understand that common people are a mob still the internet didn't change that and laws of lands like constitutions don't either
Would be cool if you did a alternate history about the huguenots for your next video anyways loved this video.
Wow
You should do a Dewey Defeats Truman scenario for 1948!
The irony is that Hoover is remembered as sitting on his hands and letting the Depression happen, when it was actually his meddling that made it worse. Meddling that FDR continued, which had the same problem, but he's remembered more fondly because there was a war which pulled us out of the spiral. Memory is a funny thing.
There is also the fact that his programs like SSI is still has high approval and held to many of the welfare programs that help millions of elderly, disable and poor people in America. Remember while FDR died the idea and coalition that the New Deal brought to the table last all the we to the seventies.
Ironically if Hoover became president in 1920 then the recession of 1921 would become the great depression
Lol I hadn't even read the title of the video, put it in the background just listening to it, and I knew you were talking about Hoover before you said his name. Dude really pulled the short straw and then tried to put the fire out pouring rocket fuel on it. Such is life
No, when you mention the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, I think of Ben Stein in Ferris Bueller's Day Off...
A lot of people argue that FDR prolonged the Great Depression a lot longer than it had to be.
I personally don’t know the validity behind these arguments
Those arguments are idiotic.
Recommendations:
1. *What if the US has actually colonized Edo Japan back in 1854?*
2. *What if the Chinese Civil War ended in a draw?*
3. *What if Napoleon Bonaparte decided to invade Asia after he conquers Europe?*
4. *What if the Ottoman Empire failed to take over Constantinople?*
5. *What if Alexander the Great lived 30 more years?*
Herbert Hoover’s legacy was ruined by the fact that he supported prohibition lol.
EXACTLY.
The reason America still haven't a woman president is because the Suffragettes supported prohibition.
Hoover was a forgotten progressiven. But he was a Progressive conservative
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It’s funny because you are third