For people wondering whether he is shot, I believe that he is shot not too long after this scene. O'Brien was very clear that there was no hope left for Winston, but the party does not destroy the heretic, it converts him and then kills him. Winston is finally mentally defeated and therefore ready for his pure, Big Brother-embracing death. I believe Orwell left the story before his death on purpose, as the collapse of Winston's former self is more significant than the mere cessation of his life.
The waiter was a young 'Trigger' from only fools and horses. I was imagining Del Boy strolling in puffing on his cigar saying to Winston "The Thought Police ? You plonker ! Should have played it nice and cool and everything would have been cushty. Give us a pint Trigs - Lovely jubbly.
I wonder why thousands of writers haven't taken into consideration the idea of making a sequel to 1984, it would be curious to delve deeper into the world behind it and the question of resistance (in The book but also in the film I still have the doubt of a hypothetical resistance ready to overthrow the regime, even if it could all be a sham by the party).
@@林群諺-g8y I made inquiries and it's not exactly a sequel, it's still a dystopian novel very similar to Orwell's 1984 but it has a completely different story, but I know of a sequel which is more of a "comic" novel based on the events of 1984, the book was created by György Dalos, but his novel amounts to a mockery of Orwell's masterpiece.
As much as I like the film it's not a very accurate adaptation and dwells too much on the negative aspects of the story. In the novel Winston is a little more heroic, despite his physical state. His confrontation with O'Brien is more combative, whereas in the film he offers little resistance and is broken down quickly. I believe that another version is in the works. Hopefully this will be more true to the spirit of the novel, but give Julia more than either the novel and film did. Orwell didn't write female characters very well.
@@forikspro-8383 Nice one. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy is one example. The movie is great, and better in parts, but the old TV series (on YT in full) is as enthralling as the novel itself.
The 1954 BBC adaptation by Nigel Kneale is far closer to the novel while also allowing a few creative flourishes of its own. For me, Peter Cushing's the definitive Winston Smith.
@@forikspro-8383i agree, or they could've made a 3 hour movie including more details because they left many little details that, despite not being extremely necessary to the plot, they could've explained better and with more impact the story. But i loved how visual the movie is without explaining too much with words
I thought that was the point. Mind you, I've read the book but I've never watched the movie, so I may be wrong, but from this scene my interpratation was that their conversation - which was only really a remnant of something long gone, something true and therefore rebellious, and, as such, destroyed - is being drowned out by the Party's music; by the Party itself.
when music starts around 1:30 Julia: That's inconceivable. Winston: It's possible (unintelligible). Instinct, it's bad news on the way. Julia: I told them all about you. I'm really thankful they got me before it was too late. Winston: Yes. I told them about you too. Thought crime, sex crime, all your treachery. Julia: I have a meeting to go to. We must meet again. Winston: Yes. We must meet again. Julia leaves.
I believe it's figurative as he defeated himself, meaning he theoretically "shot" himself, losing who he was and becoming what the party wants him to be.
El libro y la película de 1984 orwell el gran hermano, parecen ejemplos de futuros posibles de edad media moderna de la humanidad en la tierra antes de salir al espacio a expandirse por la galaxia como Isaac Asimov robot e imperio repitiendo sino rimando su historia el ser humano.
That final monologue is so uplifting and inspirational. If more of the masses would take that message to heart the world would be so much better. Imagine how much more smoothly the pandemic would have been without the Angry Saxons filling their jumbo sized man diapers over trivial restrictions and requirements. This movie, and the novel, should be required training for one and all. Long Live The Party.
I hate to compare apples to oranges, but I personally prefer Brazil as the definitive "1984 adaptation" (if you could call it that). 1984 is a very good movie, but Brazil is a masterpiece. That said, I feel like Winston Smith and Sam Lowry are two different characters despite more or less being the same role. I think Hurt and Pryce respectively were perfect as each. Both phenomenal actors.
@@Uniao1 Yeah Brazil is a brilliant Terry Gilliam movie. Basically "1984 on acid" but in the best way possible. Highly recommend you watch it. Features the aforementioned Jonathan Pryce in the lead "everyman" role, with Michael Palin (he and Gilliam are both Python members), Robert DeNiro, and Ian Holm (who incidentally was also in a... certain movie with John Hurt).
I cried most of all in two places - at the beginning when I saw the crowd of maimed souls, and at the end when a man who had become strong in spirit was reduced to the state of a vegetable. For me, this film is an absolutized version of our world. 1984 helps to see better the seemingly absent tragedy of our world - Society of punishment, control and standartisation of human behavior. A disciplined society. RU Больше всего я плакал в двух местах - в начале увидев толпу искалеченных душ, и в конце когда окрепшего духом человека низвели до состояния овоща. Для меня этот фильм - абсолютизированная версия нашего мира. 1984 помогает лучше разглядеть на первый взгляд отсутствующую трагедию нашего мира - Общество наказания, контроля и стандартизации норм человеческого поведения. Дисциплинарное общество.
Can anyone see it from the party’s point of view? It’s just after a war and they’ve seen what even the most normal human being is capable of inflicting upon another. Is he really more evil than anyone else?
A: F... the party's point of view now and for all time. B: Yes. 100% more evil. Insert quote: 'Something something 'people trading freedom for security deserving neither...'.
The war isn’t real. One month Oceania is fighting Eastasia, and the next month they were “always” fighting Eurasia. The war front isn’t real, it’s propaganda to demand the people fall in line with the government: “Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil”
I dont think its explicitly critiquing just Stalinism, that being said, the book and movie do go totally over the top in criticising totalitarianism. The reality of the modern world is that most people think they're free but they've become slaves to their work, consumerism and hedonism. Where freedom is exalted by the masses always but who opposes the system which makes them live like slaves? Freedom isn't simply deprivation of rights and being allowed to think whatever you desire, but being free in your own spirit from evil and living in an environmental which allows that. 1984 doesn't understand freedom so it presents the opposition of freedom in a comical way.
@@CobraRedstone Beside the stalin critic i see in the film( orwell= trotkyst( bronstein/goldstein)antistalin=darling og the west) the movie is excellent. Burton and Hurt are extraordanary/ impressing. And the most ( un)happy end is outstanding.
“Under the spreading chestnut tree/I sold you and you sold me…”
No freedom is no future...
We're not oppressed if we know we're oppressed.
For people wondering whether he is shot, I believe that he is shot not too long after this scene. O'Brien was very clear that there was no hope left for Winston, but the party does not destroy the heretic, it converts him and then kills him. Winston is finally mentally defeated and therefore ready for his pure, Big Brother-embracing death. I believe Orwell left the story before his death on purpose, as the collapse of Winston's former self is more significant than the mere cessation of his life.
creo que solo fue para que winston sucumbiera
Yes, I think that final scene with him on the giant screen is his imagining his final confession, before he was shot.
i feel sorry for Winston
edit: the replies are (mostly) crazy
I feel sorry for Julia too.I remember the scene when a thought policeman punched her and she was on the ground touching her belly in pain.
Winston said he would throw acid on a child’s face for the cause. He has to ability to be just as brutal in his own way
With such a telling comment, was not Orwell saying people should know their place, and that the right (wing) people should run the country?
@@brighterrecorder1645I wonder why
@@brighterrecorder1645kids are literaly spies in the world of 1984, they are enemies to people like Winston who value freedom.
The waiter was a young 'Trigger' from only fools and horses.
I was imagining Del Boy strolling in puffing on his cigar saying to Winston "The Thought Police ? You plonker ! Should have played it nice and cool and everything would have been cushty. Give us a pint Trigs - Lovely jubbly.
Only fools and horses set in Airstrip1's Black Market actually makes sense
haha im glad i wasnt the only one to expect him to say "alright dave" as he walks over
5:44 the face that says everything.
No freedom is no future...
John never got an Oscar I believe ...nominated few times ...damn shame
movie is ass looks like bad p 0 r n 0
Yet we all know him as one of the greats!
I think Richard Burton should have received a posthumous award for his role of O'Brien. An outstanding piece of acting
Not getting an oscar really hurt
Hard to win an Oscar for torture and the bad guy winning at the end
He makes an impossible move, backwards
Would it be impossible if the party said it was so?
This move was added to the 10th edition of Newchess.
No matter what move is made, white always wins.
@@stupid47Until it becomes more popular for black to win. Or, should we say, more "fair."
@Harigeorgeson Yes indeed, that impossible move backwards was the victory he won over himself: He LOVED Big Brother…
I think the bar staff are Thinkpol like Mr Charrington. I bet they have infested the proles.
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER!!
Please stand by.
🗿
On the phone with the thought police right now! Your time is up thoughtcriminal!
This comment and this user have never existed.
@@nothingbutnegativity7495 Substitute with...@Bubbamacomb.
Trig got a new job, but he still walks the same way 😅
Lots of Thoughtcrime in these comments. /reported
Who would’ve thought that the Legend of Gin Alley is also a member of the party - he’s just a gift that keeps on giving
No freedom is no future...
Why put the background music on and ruin it?
That’s the entire point.
Are you deaf? The music Is beautiful, but the childrens versión Is a lot betrr
Especially while not MENTIONING it in the title. This person likes to WASTE other peoples time.
I thought the audio was just that bad
I always think the movie is like half life 2
Bro thinking the same thing
City 17 was actually inspired by 1984
I think a lot of the Combine was based on Ingsoc, especially in the beta
I wonder why thousands of writers haven't taken into consideration the idea of making a sequel to 1984, it would be curious to delve deeper into the world behind it and the question of resistance (in The book but also in the film I still have the doubt of a hypothetical resistance ready to overthrow the regime, even if it could all be a sham by the party).
I believe Anthony Burgess got a book called 1985 as a sequel to 1984.
@@林群諺-g8y I made inquiries and it's not exactly a sequel, it's still a dystopian novel very similar to Orwell's 1984 but it has a completely different story, but I know of a sequel which is more of a "comic" novel based on the events of 1984, the book was created by György Dalos, but his novel amounts to a mockery of Orwell's masterpiece.
@@MATTlA_COCHEO haven't actually read 1985 here but thanks for the information!
@@林群諺-g8y 👍🏻
There is a stage play called 1984:The Musical. Which follows on from the novel.
He should've take the knight
As much as I like the film it's not a very accurate adaptation and dwells too much on the negative aspects of the story. In the novel Winston is a little more heroic, despite his physical state. His confrontation with O'Brien is more combative, whereas in the film he offers little resistance and is broken down quickly. I believe that another version is in the works. Hopefully this will be more true to the spirit of the novel, but give Julia more than either the novel and film did. Orwell didn't write female characters very well.
I always thought books should be adapted to TV series instead of movies. 1984 needs that,but episodes should be as long as story needs.
@@forikspro-8383 Nice one. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy is one example. The movie is great, and better in parts, but the old TV series (on YT in full) is as enthralling as the novel itself.
The 1954 BBC adaptation by Nigel Kneale is far closer to the novel while also allowing a few creative flourishes of its own. For me, Peter Cushing's the definitive Winston Smith.
@@forikspro-8383i agree, or they could've made a 3 hour movie including more details because they left many little details that, despite not being extremely necessary to the plot, they could've explained better and with more impact the story. But i loved how visual the movie is without explaining too much with words
Why the music over the top; so loud that you cant hear them? To avoid being taken down?
I thought that was the point. Mind you, I've read the book but I've never watched the movie, so I may be wrong, but from this scene my interpratation was that their conversation - which was only really a remnant of something long gone, something true and therefore rebellious, and, as such, destroyed - is being drowned out by the Party's music; by the Party itself.
Contemporary UK is the living prequel. Enjoy.
Try not to tall shite ffs
Thanks for this. I needed this shot for my collage. What a movie! Better than the book! LoL. JK. ❤
NO MORE DICTATOR
Trigger in the back doshing out the drink.
Can anyone tell me the dialogue between Winston and Julia please I couldn’t hear it
That’s purposely the case. Only the rousing anthem of Oceania should dominate their discussion now.
@@propofolkills44 no one can hear what they are saying
when music starts around 1:30
Julia: That's inconceivable.
Winston: It's possible (unintelligible). Instinct, it's bad news on the way.
Julia: I told them all about you. I'm really thankful they got me before it was too late.
Winston: Yes. I told them about you too. Thought crime, sex crime, all your treachery.
Julia: I have a meeting to go to. We must meet again.
Winston: Yes. We must meet again.
Julia leaves.
@theforgotten No one can hear what they are saying because it no longer matters what they are saying…
¿Alguien sabe dónde puedo verla o descargarlo?
It’s free on Tubi I think.
Double plus good brother
brilliant book, brilliant movie, brilliant actors.
He “loved” Big Brother.
Brother? ... I have a meeting to go to.
War is epic
Freedom is cringe
Ignorance is based
Mr ollivander been into alot of whack sh!t before selling wands
Oh you have no idea... John Hurt was king of masterfully portraying characters with tragic fates (most notably... *that* one).
Dont let it happen.
Long live the new flesh.
Wasn't he shoot in the back at the end?
It's debated whether the bullet is literal or figurative.
@@SartricisOne of my high school teachers insisted it was figurative but fuck her.
I believe it's figurative as he defeated himself, meaning he theoretically "shot" himself, losing who he was and becoming what the party wants him to be.
This is a david and goliath story. The all powerful state vs win stone. I bet you he wins in the sequel…
Checkmate.
At least he got some free booze out of it
There will NEVER be Big Brother! Uncle Sam will not allow him!
Poor Winston
Uncle Sam owns the land and owns your birth certificate and social security card.
Are you kidding? The US is _already_ a de facto police state. Has been for some time now.
El libro y la película de 1984 orwell el gran hermano, parecen ejemplos de futuros posibles de edad media moderna de la humanidad en la tierra antes de salir al espacio a expandirse por la galaxia como Isaac Asimov robot e imperio repitiendo sino rimando su historia el ser humano.
Should have been called 2024
More like Brave New World actually.
Hentai Holocaust 1# Mixtape.
Ingsoc plot( God's plan Remix).
Soon to be released.
The music is too loud and distracting. Can't hear the actors.
Jordan Parlour and Tyler Kay.
Chess Player - 🍑 x6
That final monologue is so uplifting and inspirational. If more of the masses would take that message to heart the world would be so much better. Imagine how much more smoothly the pandemic would have been without the Angry Saxons filling their jumbo sized man diapers over trivial restrictions and requirements. This movie, and the novel, should be required training for one and all. Long Live The Party.
If you’re serious? You’re the problem.
@@jamesmyers2087 Only about the spazzy class during The Event...the rest, verily kidding I was.
@@vangroover1903 Faith restored.
@@jamesmyers2087 Amen
I hate to compare apples to oranges, but I personally prefer Brazil as the definitive "1984 adaptation" (if you could call it that). 1984 is a very good movie, but Brazil is a masterpiece. That said, I feel like Winston Smith and Sam Lowry are two different characters despite more or less being the same role. I think Hurt and Pryce respectively were perfect as each. Both phenomenal actors.
Brazil?
@@Uniao1 Yeah Brazil is a brilliant Terry Gilliam movie. Basically "1984 on acid" but in the best way possible. Highly recommend you watch it. Features the aforementioned Jonathan Pryce in the lead "everyman" role, with Michael Palin (he and Gilliam are both Python members), Robert DeNiro, and Ian Holm (who incidentally was also in a... certain movie with John Hurt).
But where in the book he confesses of his crimes publicly???
I think its a adaptation
The soundtrack is way too loud, it drowns out the dialogue. Makes this barely watchable.
CRIMETHINK
I cried most of all in two places - at the beginning when I saw the crowd of maimed souls, and at the end when a man who had become strong in spirit was reduced to the state of a vegetable. For me, this film is an absolutized version of our world. 1984 helps to see better the seemingly absent tragedy of our world - Society of punishment, control and standartisation of human behavior. A disciplined society.
RU
Больше всего я плакал в двух местах - в начале увидев толпу искалеченных душ, и в конце когда окрепшего духом человека низвели до состояния овоща. Для меня этот фильм - абсолютизированная версия нашего мира. 1984 помогает лучше разглядеть на первый взгляд отсутствующую трагедию нашего мира - Общество наказания, контроля и стандартизации норм человеческого поведения. Дисциплинарное общество.
Starmer's Britain.
are you ready for ze new world order
@@redbrick146 The "New world order" doesn't need a German accent. A Southern English accent works even better.
this is like todays main stream media reporting about ukraine
i cant hear jack shit
All LIES
Brexit.
Can anyone see it from the party’s point of view? It’s just after a war and they’ve seen what even the most normal human being is capable of inflicting upon another. Is he really more evil than anyone else?
Just like in real life, 'wars' are charades orchestrated by the elites to control the masses. If you didn't know this, you are under control.
A: F... the party's point of view now and for all time. B: Yes. 100% more evil.
Insert quote: 'Something something 'people trading freedom for security deserving neither...'.
should we build an eternal evil tyranny just because a human being is capable of being awful?
The war isn’t real. One month Oceania is fighting Eastasia, and the next month they were “always” fighting Eurasia. The war front isn’t real, it’s propaganda to demand the people fall in line with the government:
“Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil”
Um, the party is literaly the embodient of evil. There is no reasoning with it
Great book. Bad movie.
Dumbest critic of the stalin aera.
I dont think its explicitly critiquing just Stalinism, that being said, the book and movie do go totally over the top in criticising totalitarianism. The reality of the modern world is that most people think they're free but they've become slaves to their work, consumerism and hedonism. Where freedom is exalted by the masses always but who opposes the system which makes them live like slaves? Freedom isn't simply deprivation of rights and being allowed to think whatever you desire, but being free in your own spirit from evil and living in an environmental which allows that. 1984 doesn't understand freedom so it presents the opposition of freedom in a comical way.
@@CobraRedstone Orwell was a trotskyist. And Trotsky ( Bronstein/ Goldstein) was against Stalin and the " good" communist in the west.
1984 is classic, describing the past and the present perfectly, and your comment is the dumbest around here
@@CobraRedstone Beside the stalin critic i see in the film( orwell= trotkyst( bronstein/goldstein)antistalin=darling og the west) the movie is excellent. Burton and Hurt are extraordanary/ impressing. And the most ( un)happy end is outstanding.
@@CobraRedstone It was written with the USSR I'm mind, as Geroge became dissolusioned with Bolshvism after fighting in the Spanish Civil war
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