Musk and Ramaswamy open rift with MAGA loyalists over skilled worker visas
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- Опубликовано: 27 дек 2024
- A firestorm is brewing over comments from two of President-elect Donald Trump’s incoming advisers regarding H-1B visas for high-skilled foreign workers. Adviser Elon Musk, who will co-lead the new Department of Government Efficiency alongside Vivek Ramaswamy, fueled the debate with a post on X, saying, “The number of super-talented and highly motivated engineers in the USA is far too low.”
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#elonmusk #vivekramaswamy #trump
Every argument from both sides are inaccurate or wrong. Overwhelming majority of H1Bs aren't top talent. Days of H1Bs working for less than Americans were lone gone because it's not allowed by law. Employers prefer H1Bs for 2 reasons. Most H1Bs want to be permanent residents. The process takes many years and if they change company they have to start all over again meaning H1Bs are likely to be more compliant and less likely to quit. The other reason is many Indian managers profit from H1Bs receiving kickbacks from recruiters in India for every hire. Some even run recruitment firm in India themselves or through relatives and friends. This kind of rackets do rob Americans of jobs. These managers will reject all american candidates and hire lower skill H1Bs for profit. This is typically evident in organizations that are monochromatic. As for arguments from the other side. They are just racist nonsense. If Bannon and his likes don't want H1Bs they should come up with a plan to get more Americans into engineering schools or simply become engineers themselves.
Only 1% high tech illegal migrates
Tech recruiter here. The talent is already here. This is about cheap labor. America was built on slavery.
25% of our schools scholarships are for these fiIth too
I work in the tech. The solution is simple, give entry level jobs to Americans and not ofshore or consulting companies. I trained multiple offshore teams who get paid way less and in 2 years get 6 figure salaries. That is how they get the skills.
Meanwhile tens of thousands of engineers are being laid-off and some forced to train their H1B replacements as you're talking about an engineer shortage.
Two immigrants complaining about the culture which they made millions in
It's always about the money. Nothing else.
our tax dollars made them their fortunes
says coloniser
@@bobshagit that's actually false. Most of their income is commercial
@@ZenoSamaOmniKingAs you reap the benefits of colonization unquestionably.
Elon can move his factories to India where he claims the talent is. Let’s see how this turns out for him and his wealth.
How about China instead?
it will be better , world biggest market
@@Ravi-rl8tt
A Tesla plant already exists in China. It would be foolish to ignore the biggest EV market in the world.
A country where large amount of unemployment is found
large percentage of unemployment exists in this part of the world
Tech bros are bringing skilled low paid contract workers from India. These workers are taking tech jobs from our college graduates. Just say no to H1B visas. 👿
So Trump doesn't care that immigrants are here,it just depends on which immigrants he deems good enough. It's interesting, though. Trump's mother was an immigrant,and so were all of his wives except one.
1, if the workers need skills to do their job, and not enough Americans have those skills, then yeah, there won't be very many American engineers. Especially as the American education is worth less than fish guts scraped from the bottom of a barrel.
2, What college graduates? The only people graduating college with engineering degrees at this point are kids from really wealthy families that didn't come out as spoiled duds. No one has money for college anymore. I sure didn't.
Easy fix: replace h1b lottery with h1b visa auction, bidding minimum wage should be median wages of American tech workers in Faang, ie 180K. Also, make education free for us citizens, make 2X expensive for foreign students- Companies like Tesla claiming scarcity need to put advertisement on govt website instead of local newspapers.
elon might be illegal
Ten thousands of American tech workers like me are being replaced by h1b visa employees for cost cutting, we applied for ten thousands of jobs though we have better education from American universities in STEM graduate and doctorate degrees with decades of experience in fortune 100 companies that these foreign workers doesn't have
A South African and Indian billionaires walk into the White House...lets see how this one plays out. 🍿
Great, they have their opinions and some of them good, but they don't make policy
@danimotherofchickens479 The MAGA Civil War is just getting started. It's hilarious to watch a political party cannibalize itself. 🍿
@@danimotherofchickens479 they are definitely influencing policy.
To be frank, ELON is the real president.
They deserve it. Especially musk he paid a lot of money to be in the White House.
He is like Phillipe from France who tricked the Panama people out of their land to sell to the Americans to build the Panama Canal back in the days. A French selling Panama to make his profit after failing to build the canal the way he wanted.
Get rid of the H1B Visa. Protect Americans job
Many of those people are doing jobs that lazy Americans won't do
Yah.. get rid of visas for doctors and nurses.. 😂😂😂
Yessss pleasesss and let's backdate then all to when Melania lied her way to getting a visa...
Ten thousands of American tech workers like me are being replaced by h1b visa employees for cost cutting, we applied for ten thousands of jobs though we have better education from American universities in STEM graduate and doctorate degrees with decades of experience in fortune 100 companies that these foreign workers doesn't have
@@malluTechUSA🤡
Seeing Vivek try to desi parent MAGA voters is hilarious.
😂😂
Vivek Ramaswamy wants to introduce the caste system to the United States. . .
A social structure where people are born into a specific social group, called a caste, which determines their occupation, social standing, and who they can interact with, essentially locking them into a hierarchical system based on their birth family, with no opportunity in your lifetime to move up in society
That lie has stretched a mile now….but he does not respect low IQ people which is a single metric of human intelligence. people have different talents and I dislike this approach. Society is made up all kinds of people - I just want a good chef making a tasty lunch not an Einstein sometimes, or a good mechanic, or simply an honest handyman. Vivek is too cut throat.
Didn't trump literally turn away a black family renting from his apartments because of their race and status?
All sides are corrupted, the same corrupt coin, needs to be melted down and minted anew.
Mint a new what..and how ??
Look, it's going to always be about the money. Nothing else.
Increasing homelessness due to H1B & immigrant visa workers…
Uh those are not the jobs they are taking, those are high tech jobs
@@danimotherofchickens479 Are you getting paid to post these comments? If so, where does the average person apply? I'd love to get paid for spending hours online refuting comments.
Typical 2024. Give American jobs. To non Americans
Easy fix: replace h1b lottery with h1b visa auction, bidding minimum wage should be median wages of American tech workers in Faang, ie 180K. Also, make education free for us citizens, make 2X expensive for foreign students- Companies like Tesla claiming scarcity need to put advertisement on govt website instead of local newspapers.
How about America and Americans first bud?
Deport the billionaires, H1B workers can stay
These H1Bs are killing salaries.
How?
You clearly don't have any idea how the job market and companies work.
Tech salaries in the US are insanely high compared to any place in the world
Should be no problem then establishing a wage floor, if indeed these visas are for extremely exceptional incredibly rare talent, geniuses like that cant be getting 100k displacing entry level work. @bobfearnley5724
I'm in the tech industry. Americans don't want to do engineering work, they only want to be manager or deal with business side of things. Engineering work is hard and technology changes fast, needs to keep up with that
Interesting that he says "having a child is a choice". Apparently it's only a choice for non-US citizen.
Homan could easily be wearing a uniform 90 years ago in Germany.
I don't think you understood ww2 then lol
which is very based i wear my great grandpas uniform all the time at home it's nice hugo boss.
"Joined 3 years ago"
That lines up with your awful take
JUST LIKE IN MY MARVEL MOVERINOS!!!!!!
They both should move back home to India and South Africa
Vivek Ramaswamy is a prime example of someone smart-not the smartest person in the room, but one with the highest drive and motivation. When you delegate authority, you absolutely must know a person's character and limitations. Trump dropped the ball on this one and you didn't need a crystal ball to see what was coming.
yes genius, T should have consulted you.
You people will never learn your mistakes.😂
fight, fight, fight! 😈
Fight what.. visa's ??
It's not only about DEI and affirmative action.
The base MUST understand that the Indian culture and work ethic is superior.
That's why India is such a great place to live and the swarms of Indian immigrants are here to help us develop our standard of living....sarcasm
Joke right? They're some of the dumbest and most incompetent people on the planet lol
Not sure thats true lol since when you travel to india its the same and sometimes worse then other countries
plan, always a plan, let's cut the bull crap. he ran to stay out of jail.
For charged that were a political attack lol
You ok over their? Hate is bad for your health
*there
@@danimotherofchickens479 The first sentence doesn't really make sense either
Rent Free.
And to rob the country out of as money as he can.
The more intelligent and non-Christian people America can being in to run corporations and America, the better!
colonizers complaining about immigrants is lol
What I like about bringing in wealthy immigrants is that home prices will go up. Anyone in real estate knows this is all upside.
When abject racism meets unquenchable greed.
Just make a law against underpaying h1b workers and none of this would happen idk why this is such a huge issue
Hire Americans first
so you want to make a law against competition? Why not straight a law about the minimum wage to be $50/hour, all the problems are solved, everybody is happy.
@@notnotnownow9622 do u know what the issue at hand is..?
We may see civil lawsuits over this blatant discrimination of the domestic workforce.
ELON. Cant go against Indian people. Because he would lose alot of employees
The Indian people in united drive his cars all day his sell will go down
I find this to be so funny. Certain people are running around screaming about DEI and affirmative action and who's qualified and who's not. Hmmm, this is funny.
"Skilled" cracks me up 😂
Oh boy! Now you get to see what the dems were saying about the new administration. MAGA folks, the laughs on you!
This is too funny to me.
Set the minimum salary for H1Bs to 200000. Only then you can solve the this issue. You can not pay 65k to 100k a year and call it high skilled labor. To really stop H1B abuse set the min salary. Then all those middle scrappy consultancy companies will not be able to afford to hire cheap labor, and the actual American companies can make direct hire. These blood sucking consultancy companies takes cut on every hire per hour. And in the end the actual person who is working only gets $40,$ 50 per hour. Let the product companies directly hire and crackdown on consultancy companies. Everybody wins. Then the companies will hire the Americans as well as foreign based on skills and talent. Even many H1Bs dont want to work for cheap $50, $60 per hour.
It makes sense that billionaires would focus on actions that benefit their companies, as it's in their best interest to reduce costs, including employee expenses. We shouldn't assume that they have America's interests at heart. While the H-1B visa program is meant to fill skill gaps in the U.S. workforce by allowing employers to hire qualified workers from abroad for specialized roles, do we actually have a shortage of skilled workers in the tech sector right now? I don’t think so.
If Americans are seen as "less skilled" in STEM compared to workers from countries like India and China, why isn't the focus on improving education and addressing the skills gap here at home? After all, we are the consumers who drive the profits that make these billionaires rich. If we continue to allow short-term gains for these companies, we risk losing our high-wage jobs to foreign workers. In the end, this isn’t about putting America first-it's about putting companies first.
We continue to pour our tax dollars into the military to protect other countries, while they use their resources to strengthen their social welfare systems, including education. Meanwhile, we're sacrificing our children's future to allow other nations to thrive in luxury, all while they criticize us for being uneducated, lacking universal healthcare, and having a weak social welfare system. Of course, this is happening-our tax dollars are being funneled into military spending. We, the citizens of the U.S., are being drained dry. How much longer will we allow ourselves to be treated like a doormat, with our taxes and consumer spending benefiting everyone else but us?
I agree with you
Ridiculous topic that’s being blown out of proportion by the left… Tesla has less 1% of its employees under H1Bs, even less for other tech companies.
There’s no equivalency between 13M illegal immigrants and 65K legal immigrants that are hand selected as the best brightest contributors to the American economy.
BTW: H1B workers pay American taxes (including Social Security) and receive minimal benefits from those taxes (e.g. not eligible for Medicare, Medicaid or social security) - so these workers are a huge net positive (per capita) to US fiscal deficit issue
I love how MAGA trolls are totally silent on these comments! This is hilarious!
I'm 35yo Indian and I can certainly see the transformation that gen Z and alpha are bringing in India vis-a-vis 10-15 years ago. It's just lazy to call India dirty and hate on them without seeing the rapid pace at which India is creating new businesses and ramping up infrastructure. Certainly Indians are not any less capable. I'm all for American citizens working in American companies and Indian citizens working in Indian companies, but to say Indian engineers are "low skilled" and "low cost" replacement for American workers like so many have indicated in the comments is just plain wrong
Yeah gen z and alpha are busy being fighting for temples we can see your development through instagram comments every day. Celebrating misogyny and abuse in comments. This is your youth.
It’s only because you guys come in and take literal slave wages you’re undercutting your peers and yourselves in the country.
Isnt that why you’re all desperately fleeing India to America?
Like if India is so great and making new businesses im assuming aren’t just call centres why would you leave?
It's their believe, that somehow people in a country are better than others, only because the geographic location. They want to believe they are better and nobody is better than them while everybody has access to the same resources.
The thing is that Trump and Elon Musk made Migration the most important topic during election and now they want to make migration more easier for even browner people than Mexicans. Magas and other inc3ls hate this idea. It's not about regarding Indian people as lazy or indian infrastructure as dirty, it's about regarding indians as lesser people. Remember when Ramsay wanted to become president and that maga lady told him she would never vote for him because he is indian?
Media is trying to divide the Trump campaign...legal and illegal immigrants are different.
According to the National Skills Coalition, nearly one-third of US workers lack basic digital skills:
No digital skills: 13% of workers have no digital skills
Limited digital skills: 18% of workers have very limited skills
Proficient digital skills: 35% of workers have achieved a baseline level of proficiency
Advanced digital skills: 33% of workers have advanced skills
Trump thinks visas are credit cards.
“Cheap workers” not skilled.
MAGA will take action against the traitors Elon n Rama
The first term was MEGA, this time its MEGA2.0 Supercharged
Hilarious we have no idea who's running our country but news is going to talk about this? Pathetic
My brother got offered a job from Tesla but he rejected it because of so much employment instability at the company and can get laid off at a moments notice
ARM UP AMERICANS
THESE IMMIGRANTS ARE MAKING A MOVE FOR OUR LAND
Indians and Chinese study hard, work hard and rise to the top. Like it or not, the far right knows that these immigrants will be the boss someday. Truth hurts. Deal with it.
🤣🤣🤣 Poor magas. Now the election is over, the billionaires tell them what they REALLY think of them. Morons got played like a cheap fiddle.
Like you were by the Biden Harris regime?
Sorry to break it to you but we are all still satisfied and don't regret voting for Trump. Better luck next time
Some of them like the role of fiddle
Very true, now only these morons waking up 😂
@@Otis-vx2kv Yep, the poorly skilled and educated know they don't have anything to worry about who compete with folks mostly "South of the Border".
0:21 Elon doesn't just settle for "his team" to win; he *takes all the credit* for the real brains behind his so-called "innovations." Case in point: many people wrongly assume he invented the Tesla EV vehicle. 🙂
Well most of the models were designed by him
Republicans won't help with student loans/debt or the cost of college... or we could have more Americans in tech. nor do they wanna pay Americans a living wage and we would fill those jobs..
No no no. Illegal is illegal. Bye bye.
This is the flag you get when you make everything about race instead of hiring the best person for the job
America first, America only! We have a lot of talent in this country, why should we give our top paying jobs to foreigners? I don't see these countries giving their top paying jobs to Americans.
I told Vivek was a scam likely
Everyone has access to the same resources. But if you have low drive, you won't utilize such resources to the fullest potential. This is why tech companies tend to hire foreign talent because domestic pool of talent is sub-par on STEM and and drive to innovate lacks enthusiasm.
CEO take down time
these two are on the top of the list
Right now, we need to migrate only people we really need badly.
Cheap labor for tech companies and temp visas. Will Visa holders that have kids be able to stay ?
There is no rift, both have good points and your trying to make it look like a rift.
Worry about your own party y'all are a hot mess.
I feel like news takes have been objectively misinterpreting things WAY TOO MUCH lately.
Why you bad at journalism ?
Just vote on a constitutional amendment. That should be simple.
Vivek Ramaswamy is way too dark!
What
RESPECT THIS IS RESPECT FOR FAMILY,S THAT COME INTO U.S. YOU HAVE TO WORK RESPONISBILTY WITH FAMILY NOT FREE MONEY .THANK YOU FOR SHARING.
Remember in old movies when white colonisers were referred to by “the Africans” in the movie as Yes or No Bwana. It means master or it can mean white devil Elon Musk needs to know he is #NotMyBwana
It's only another three more weeks.
It's be over soon.
😂
Hold on! Let me get my tea
FUND EDUCATION!!!!!!!!
I'm sure hi tech skilled workers sneak into our country
They run across the border with their briefcases
ELON MUSK BORN IN SOUTH AFRICA
Go Tom go
Haha what happened to protecting Americans jobs
American first
We want hb1...we want smart immigrants lol
Immigrants took trump job
Msnbc is ALWAYS trying to pick a fight.
WHEN NBC goes down from pure SPITE, I will stand up and cheer!
I hear McDonald's is hiring.
(Unless Kamala has beaten you to it) 😆😆😆
P.S. Don't go to Burger King, I actually eat there. 😉
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Maga all corrupt 😂😂😂😂 😂
Maga make their fortunes in the private sector not on the back of the tax payer like Democrats
Ah yes the competive soccer, aau basketball, and traveling baseball parents who all think there little 13-18 year old boys are gonna be stars. Then after they have spent over 100 k plus on sports camps they find out little Johnny's gpa is 2.2 and he is not offered a scholarship or if he is offered a scholarship he spends all his time training for a sport he will never make money at professionally while he is majoring in a useless major like philosophy. Then bingo he graduates and has no job. Meanwhile East Indian or perhaps Asian kids parents are playing sports to also but most of their parents are spending money on "Nerdy
coding/robitics/a.i. / Math camps and presto they go to college and are making over 100K
by the time they're 25 as doctors or software engineers and the brosphere parents starting whining about immigrants taking their kids jobs. 😂😂
Indian is coming
says colonizer
Trump created a simple slogan " Maga " and the media is using it as a word . Trump is a marketing genius
Your wrong. Everyone has been Trump supporters “ MAGA supporters since his 1st term.
@BryanStaysLifted420 Your grammar is bad.
@@teamzissou5663 it’s okay when it comes to maga supporters. They don’t care all as dumb as a rock
@@BryanStaysLifted420 you are missing the point of m6 comment
@@BryanStaysLifted420 This is MAGA2.0 Supercharged
Talent but America losing out in Tech. So are they really "talent"?
America us a Socialist or a Capitalist country... Everyone seems. To forget that 😂😂