Ukraine Conflict (20240915): Kursk Front Update

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  • Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2024

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  • @SalyLuz-hc6he
    @SalyLuz-hc6he Месяц назад +22

    Good morning Jonathan! Thanks for helping us have a clue!

    • @paraandy3821
      @paraandy3821 Месяц назад

      🥈👏👏👏👏👍😊

  • @LadaGaga93
    @LadaGaga93 Месяц назад +8

    Great report JP, happy Sunday to the team☕️

  • @Finnishguy777
    @Finnishguy777 Месяц назад +16

    Hello team, thank you Jonathan.

  • @richardbennett8522
    @richardbennett8522 Месяц назад +9

    Good Afternoon Jonathan and the ATP team

  • @jackfrost149
    @jackfrost149 Месяц назад +13

    Thanks Jon. Cheers

    • @SalyLuz-hc6he
      @SalyLuz-hc6he Месяц назад +3

      🥇

    • @surpriseitsus9622
      @surpriseitsus9622 Месяц назад +1

      🏅 🏆 😊

    • @jackfrost149
      @jackfrost149 Месяц назад

      @@SalyLuz-hc6heThank you Sally. Have a nice day.

    • @jackfrost149
      @jackfrost149 Месяц назад

      @@surpriseitsus9622Thank you Lynn, I hope you are well and having a good day.

  • @KevinForst-n2t
    @KevinForst-n2t Месяц назад +9

    Good morning, everyone. Thanks for the update, JP.

  • @johnhare595
    @johnhare595 Месяц назад +11

    Afternoon JP Greetings troops 👍😊

  • @scottherbertson9346
    @scottherbertson9346 Месяц назад +8

    Hi Jonathan - thanks for all your updates. I think he means 'terrain' not train loads....it makes more sense that way😎

  • @jmtpolitico80
    @jmtpolitico80 Месяц назад +6

    Thanks JP!

  • @JoeUFOMcG
    @JoeUFOMcG Месяц назад +16

    Another factor regarding the recycled Russian POWs is that they have already experienced Ukrainian captivity and will be even more disposed towards surrendering rather than dying.

    • @bradkubota6968
      @bradkubota6968 Месяц назад +2

      Great point.
      And they will tell their??? Comrades.

  • @alandoherty5237
    @alandoherty5237 Месяц назад +2

    Thank you for the information provided glory to Ukraine slava Ukraine pryvit keep smiling and be happy

  • @aaronlea9559
    @aaronlea9559 Месяц назад +6

    Thanks mate, most appreciated

  • @stevea2909
    @stevea2909 Месяц назад +6

    Hi! Ho! Team!, Beautiful morning here, I can hear the geese flying south- no, they are not being chased!

  • @bradkubota6968
    @bradkubota6968 Месяц назад +2

    Always outstanding information!
    Thanks Johnathan and ATP team.

  • @donseyfried3477
    @donseyfried3477 Месяц назад +2

    Afternoon all, thanks JP. 🇬🇧🇺🇦

  • @Bob-p7x
    @Bob-p7x Месяц назад +2

    Good morning JP and team. 💙💛💙

  • @NicholasLynn-n9z
    @NicholasLynn-n9z Месяц назад +14

    @25:00 if the Russians turn their POWs directly back onto the front line, those soldiers may be more likely to be captured. Plus they may tell their comrades that the Ukrainians treat the POWs well. Again maybe helping them capture more in the future.

    • @peterflohr7827
      @peterflohr7827 Месяц назад

      If they are sent back to the front they can testify to their comrades the horror stories are not true, if sent back to home they can tell their friends and family. Both are awful for the Putin regime.

  • @andrewplowman1002
    @andrewplowman1002 Месяц назад +2

    Thank you

  • @Fubar2024
    @Fubar2024 Месяц назад +1

    Thank you!💪💪🇺🇦💪💪💙💛

  • @danielbyrne1899
    @danielbyrne1899 Месяц назад +6

    What ho Johnathan!

  • @quasar6959
    @quasar6959 Месяц назад +7

    Thank you, Jonathan for your little update on Kursk.Another thought on sending the ex pow back to the front is they can tell the other troops that the Ukraines are not the bogeyman in the war

    • @peterflohr7827
      @peterflohr7827 Месяц назад +2

      If they are sent back to the front they can testify to their comrades the horror stories are not true, if sent back to home they can tell their friends and family. Both are awful for the Putin regime.

  • @AndrewFrantz-hn2zy
    @AndrewFrantz-hn2zy Месяц назад +7

    i think it's "terrain" rather than "train" ..

  • @mdevilden
    @mdevilden Месяц назад +1

    goodmorning everyone

  • @SeanZuljan
    @SeanZuljan Месяц назад +1

    Another very informative segment and you are really making a difference. And damn Tronald Dump . What are all his wives up to.

  • @DeputyDawg35
    @DeputyDawg35 Месяц назад +1

    Howdy Y'all 👋

  • @jmtpolitico80
    @jmtpolitico80 Месяц назад +3

    From my point of view the Southern Frontlines could easily be overcome!

  • @johncromwell2529
    @johncromwell2529 Месяц назад +10

    👏💪👍🙏🇺🇦

  • @Kaeldorn
    @Kaeldorn Месяц назад +1

    I think the error that causes some confusion in the 9:14 twitter post is that Intelschizo meant to say terrain, not train. Possibly due to auto-correction.
    The whole post makes sense if you just replace that word. Not so much if you start thinking about training or trains.

  • @darrencorrigan8505
    @darrencorrigan8505 Месяц назад +8

    Hi, Jon & Team. The Kursk area has involved complex and fluid movement. Poorly understood movement. It seems to be a floating craps game. Getting the truth is like pulling teeth, but like a bad tooth it eventually comes out. High losses are a religious thing in Russia, evidently.

  • @guyspearing4608
    @guyspearing4608 Месяц назад +1

    Min 9.31... I believe the report meant "terrain", not "train".
    That would seem to make more sense.

  • @Benjamin-f9o
    @Benjamin-f9o Месяц назад +1

    It's not only Russian shifting troops from Povkorovsk and other areas that will help Ukraine in the Donbas that is important. Any troops shifted to the Kursk region have to be supplied as well. This means that other areas will have far less ammunition etc coming their way reducing their ability markedly to continue on the offensive.

  • @JetSetVF
    @JetSetVF Месяц назад +6

    The slowdown in the Russian counter-attack in Kursk is more likely due to resupplying forces in the Glushkovo salient now that they have recaptured Korenovo. As long as they control Korenovo Russia holds the initiative in counterattacking. Furthermore I am not convinced that Russia needs upwards of 70k men to retake Kursk because the Ukies havent had enough time to set up meaningful fortifications, I think thats likely more wishful thinking on Zelenksy's part.

    • @harold22774
      @harold22774 Месяц назад

      Dream on troll

    • @kim-ys2fs
      @kim-ys2fs Месяц назад +1

      Ukraine has had nearly 6 weeks thanks to russian disorganisation, command structure and putin's ego
      Ukraine didnt focus on capturing vast swathes of territory after first week^

    • @sirsmeal3192
      @sirsmeal3192 Месяц назад

      I do not think fortifications are being built *_within_* Kursk, but rather at defensive spots on the border. Insomuch as Zelenskyy is concerned, this can be what he was talking about.

    • @kim-ys2fs
      @kim-ys2fs Месяц назад +1

      @@sirsmeal3192 ukraine wants to hold onto kursk salient for as long as possible, until the end of the war zelensky said. i also believe 2 groups were sent to build defenses in week 2/3

    • @sirsmeal3192
      @sirsmeal3192 Месяц назад

      @@kim-ys2fs
      Agreed.

  • @cdrdatar
    @cdrdatar Месяц назад +4

    Ru sending exchanged conscripts back to the front line is dumb. They know they will be treated well if they surrender. They will tell other soldiers that, defeating Ru lies. What will they do if attacked ? Fight to the death or surrender again ?

  • @kenpreston7978
    @kenpreston7978 Месяц назад +2

    JMS WW2 claims that Russian attacks in the east have slowed somewhat, possibly due to the redeployment to Kursk. Interesting.

  • @johntwineham6015
    @johntwineham6015 Месяц назад +2

    Another interesting view on Kursk was presented by Paul (a former platoon commander in Afghanistan) in Combat Vet News. He says the start of the new incursion into Kursk from Ukraine occurred almost simultaneously with the Russian attempt at a breakout from their own poorly supplied area south of the major river. He believes that Ukraine was waiting for the Russian offensive, since the prepositioning of troops and logistics is not something that can be done instantaneously. Now the Russian troops that are attempting to breakout are no longer in defensive positions, and the Ukrainian thrust up into the middle of the pocket will be hitting at the Russian rear areas, affecting supplies and command/control. Also, with Russia out of their trenches, they are now fighting a mobile battle, one that they have proven in the past to be rather inept at handling, but which is the strong point of the NATO trained Ukrainian forces. Thought you would be interested, if you have not already taken in his opinion.

  • @mr2i
    @mr2i Месяц назад +2

    Regarding russian POW..... if a POW is sent straight to the front again, wouldn't they just resign at first chance and be POW again, because they know what will happen?

    • @sirsmeal3192
      @sirsmeal3192 Месяц назад

      Possibly. Odds are they do not go back to their old unit, but are added to whatever meat wave is being formed. As such, they do not know who to trust and may not speak that freely.

  • @Hiram8866
    @Hiram8866 Месяц назад

    22:51 Was that Jimmy Somerville?

  • @surpriseitsus9622
    @surpriseitsus9622 Месяц назад +9

    Fresh coffee, dogs are fed, the sun is coming up, and JP ❤😊 🏜 Hello team

  • @rodneyjackson7147
    @rodneyjackson7147 Месяц назад +4

    did the russians finnaly work out a pontoon crossing?

    • @sirsmeal3192
      @sirsmeal3192 Месяц назад +1

      Sort of. They bypassed the blown bridges to the east sending a thrust into the pocket to resupply the "trapped" conscripts. In doing so, they added several thousand troops to the opened pocket. The question is whether the Ukrainians can reseal the pocket and trap them all.

  • @SeanZuljan
    @SeanZuljan Месяц назад

    How Long can people not notice.

  • @timmommens901
    @timmommens901 Месяц назад

    Still catching up 😊
    🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦✌🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

  • @tomlong8350
    @tomlong8350 Месяц назад +1

    These conscripts who have been sent back to the front line are now likely to surrender quickly if they find themselves in difficulty. Having been in Ukraine captivity knowing they will be treated well they won't be afraid to surrender and are likely to convey that to others.

  • @SeanZuljan
    @SeanZuljan Месяц назад

    It must help if you are rich

  • @gavindoram
    @gavindoram Месяц назад +1

    Russia sending prisoners exchange troops back to front line could increase number of troops that willing to surrender as they will tell fellow Russian soldiers that the ukraine treats POW well etc contradicting what the Russian command tells them.

  • @wp9860
    @wp9860 Месяц назад +5

    @ATPGeo --- I have no formal training in geopolitics. I am at best poorly read on the subject. Perhaps, my naievite has inluenced my highly favorable impression of a video that the RUclips algorithm just dropped in front of me. I am of the mind that it would be very useful for ATPGeopolitics to recommend this one to its viewers. This video gives a readily understandable introduction and critique of Realism and Idealism. This "kernal" geopolitical understanding is then developed into a geopolitical view of Europe and its history, culmenating in a fundamental explanation of the Ukraine situation. I find it simply bedrock knowledge that could provide a fundament to the discussion of Ukraine on ATPGeopolitics, as well. I hope you reach a similar conclusion. Here's the reference.
    "A Critique of Realism"
    Kraut, Feb 17, 2023
    ruclips.net/video/XXmwyyKcBLk/видео.html

    • @ATPGeo
      @ATPGeo  Месяц назад +2

      Thanks for this

    • @wp9860
      @wp9860 Месяц назад +1

      @@ATPGeo If you like that one, try this one from the same guy: "The Ideology of Putin's Russia." There is more on his channel that also looks interesting.

  • @diannebaginski4787
    @diannebaginski4787 Месяц назад

    Interesting, over 600 added to trade list but only 105 sent back. Did they or were they the only ones wanting to go back.

    • @sirsmeal3192
      @sirsmeal3192 Месяц назад

      My guess is that the are "negotiating" which prisoners they want back and "how many" for "how many".

  • @Nick-pq4ri
    @Nick-pq4ri Месяц назад +2

    It’s being said that the Ukrainians allowed the Russians to move towards and into Snagost so that Ukraine could affectively entrap the enemy forces located there

    • @hgv1947
      @hgv1947 Месяц назад

      Said by who ?

    • @kim-ys2fs
      @kim-ys2fs Месяц назад +2

      @@hgv1947 IT seems to be common knowledge, ive seen it said in many channels on the war. Most of them have contacts with ukraine military, or ex-military themself.
      Doesnt guarantee it'll work n i take it with a pinch of salt, but from what i can tell its highly plausible

    • @sirsmeal3192
      @sirsmeal3192 Месяц назад

      I have seen that and can only say that the opportunity is there. Between the Seym River and the Ukrainian front line is a narrow supply route that can be cut off. The pocket now includes thousands of more troops and fresh equipment, but only what gas, food, and ammunition continuing to flow through that gap.

  • @ScottDavidNolan_
    @ScottDavidNolan_ Месяц назад +1

    Prisoners returned to Russian and rapidly re-deployed to the front might be more willing to surrender again, if only to get a warm meal.
    They will also talk to their brothers-in-arms and spread the word that prisoners taken by Ukraine are treated well and returned eventually.
    That may help other Russians surrender more readily.

    • @peterflohr7827
      @peterflohr7827 Месяц назад +1

      "treated well" is the attactive part, "returned eventually" less so...

  • @ThomasMunich-f1k
    @ThomasMunich-f1k Месяц назад +2

    I wonder how the Russian VDV soldiers managed to get into that pocket south of river Seym and west of Koroneve. This area is locked between the river with no bridges and pontoons regularily destroyed and on three edges surrounded by Ukrainian controlled area.

    • @kim-ys2fs
      @kim-ys2fs Месяц назад +1

      as the river swings west, they pushed through that corner and 'liberated' the northern west corner of ukrainian held territory, which was butting up against the river, thusly opening up the road into the pocket/cauldron south of the river

    • @sirsmeal3192
      @sirsmeal3192 Месяц назад

      ​@@kim-ys2fs
      Exactly.

  • @SeanZuljan
    @SeanZuljan Месяц назад

    The Rich people of Europe seem to overlook the reason if you have lots of money

  • @Brasidas69
    @Brasidas69 Месяц назад

    The Russian conscripts from Kursk who became POWs are treated like a yo-yo - in and out they go.
    Yet another detail to be added to the increasingly nuanced hierarchy of how people are treated different in the Russian army.

  • @I-have-a-brain_and-use-it
    @I-have-a-brain_and-use-it Месяц назад

    G'Day JP
    If you zoom into the border from Tetkino to the western edge of the main Ukrainian controlled land you will see 8 small border crossings .
    You will also see a road on the russian side that runs full length of the border that allows russian troops to rapidly deploy along the border .
    Then if you use the map that shows russian fortifications you will see the first line of defence a bit further in from this road but running almost parallel to it and then the second line which looks to me like it is following high ground .
    My guess is that russia pulled forces from this second line to reinforce the counter attack which gave Ukraine the opportunity to breech the unsupported first line at Novyj Put
    Well Ukraine has now breeched both of those lines so can run the border using the russian border road opening up another 7 potential border crossings .
    While there is not much like settlements on the Ukrainian side of the border to act as staging posts , Ukraine does have a lot of fast IFVs & APCs and 7 border crossing points is a lot to neep under constant surveillance
    So Ukraine could have lots of logistical resupply routes while russia is still hemmed in by the river crossings
    This could be very well be a trap to draw russian troops out from their fortifications .
    Time will tell
    A commenter on Combat Vets channel made a claim that Ukraine had allowed the armour to cross on pontoons then destroyed the bridges again before the convoy of support vehicles & ammunition could cross and we know that tanks are very thirsty beast .
    So we might need to have a very close look at Andrew's map to see what specifically was hit on the northern side of the river

  • @geoffgill5334
    @geoffgill5334 Месяц назад +2

    Wondering what caliber troops Russia is bringing to the fight in kursk?

    • @chrisj4236
      @chrisj4236 Месяц назад

      VDV, also reports of wagner and ahkmat

    • @harold22774
      @harold22774 Месяц назад +2

      @KeeleyJan they have brought their best troops from the south .but s there is little difference between their best and worst.

    • @harold22774
      @harold22774 Месяц назад +1

      @KeeleyJan I'll repeat as you are in denial they are mainly from the South

    • @JetSetVF
      @JetSetVF Месяц назад

      @@harold22774 categorically false. Russia has been making significant gains along the south and eastern fronts specifically because they didn't fall for the bait in Kursk. Kursk was a mistake for Zelensky.

    • @LadaGaga93
      @LadaGaga93 Месяц назад +2

      @@JetSetVFI see you haven’t been paying attention to russias rear😊in Kursk.

  • @TheBestNameEverMade
    @TheBestNameEverMade Месяц назад

    Another possible benefit to Ukraine of Russia putting these troops back on the front line is they would share their experiences when imprisoned and possibly make it more likely other Russian soliders would surrender. Still probably a net negative for Ukraine.

  • @dougal445
    @dougal445 Месяц назад +2

    Rather than physically or emotionally degrading Russian POWs, could you render them ineffective in conscience by educating them in the realities of the Russian aggression, the war crimes and the devastation caused on Ukrainians?

    • @sirsmeal3192
      @sirsmeal3192 Месяц назад

      They get to watch TV, send mail home and receive answers, phone home, and talk with each other.

    • @sunflower-tz
      @sunflower-tz Месяц назад +1

      @@sirsmeal3192 I thought the phone calls were stopped? Lots of speculation about why & what the pros & cons could be?

    • @sirsmeal3192
      @sirsmeal3192 Месяц назад +1

      @sunflower-tz
      I read that, too. It wasn't clear if that was one prison due to circumstances or the whole system. I also read that they were considering lifting it, but I have seen no follow-up.

    • @sunflower-tz
      @sunflower-tz Месяц назад

      @@sirsmeal3192 I googled. This is from Euromaidan Press: Ukraine restricts Russian POWs’ phone privileges in response to executions of Ukrainians
      Ukraine has suspended the privilege of Russian POWs to make phone calls home. They will retain their right to send letters home in accordance with the Geneva Convention, which doesn’t guarantee phone call privileges for POWs. As was reported previously, Russia has been massively executing Ukrainian POWs, as evidenced by the condition of POWs and bodies returned during exchanges and testimonies of cellmates. Starvation, beatings, and nails ripped out were among the many methods of torture.
      😥😥

    • @sunflower-tz
      @sunflower-tz Месяц назад

      @@sirsmeal3192 I googled and found this: Euromaidan Press: Ukraine restricts Ru POWs’ phone privileges in response to executions of Ukrainians
      Ukraine has suspended the privilege of Ru POWs to make phone calls home. They will retain their right to send letters home in accordance with the Geneva Convention, which doesn’t guarantee phone call privileges for POWs.

  • @stepsvideos
    @stepsvideos Месяц назад

    It seems that, at least in Kursk, the Ukrainians are going back to their original tactics from over a year ago: go where they ain't and keep them guessing. Although, it's a little concerning that there's no mention of new Russian pontoon bridges being destroyed. It's been mentioned that allowing the Russians to cross the Seym river could be a trap. If so, wouldn't now be a good time to destroy those pontoon bridges, assuming they are still operational?
    There also seems to be a lack of news about the F16s. What are they doing? Waiting for permission to strike deep inside Russia? Supporting their troops inside Ukraine? Helping to intercept Russian missile attacks?

    • @peterflohr7827
      @peterflohr7827 Месяц назад

      I''m curious too about the F16s but its good to keep silent about them. Let their actions be a surprise.

  • @vonries
    @vonries Месяц назад

    Comment

  • @andrewlippiatt7737
    @andrewlippiatt7737 Месяц назад

    There will be a massive liability of the Russians sending the released conscripts back to front line as they will tell their new units how well they were treated as prisoners, thereby encouraging more surrenders. More likely they will be interrogated by FSB then sent back to rear echelons to be used as slave labour.

  • @markaguilera493
    @markaguilera493 Месяц назад

    👋

  • @SeanZuljan
    @SeanZuljan Месяц назад

    And nobody really worries about how much money all the Mrs Putins need to get through life and exist as a rich person.

  • @vlastapegrimkova2607
    @vlastapegrimkova2607 Месяц назад +2

    👏👏👏👏🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @bertoldriesenteil1430
    @bertoldriesenteil1430 Месяц назад +1

    Kursk is the new Krinky.

  • @EasyFill-yv7dn
    @EasyFill-yv7dn Месяц назад +3

    I remember when you said the Russian attack in Kharkiv was senseless I agreed with you .
    Ukraine going into kursk is just as senseless. Whoever came up with the plan needs to be sacked .

    • @kim-ys2fs
      @kim-ys2fs Месяц назад

      REALLY?
      Kursk changed the global narrative, it changed the headlines from 'oh dear, another ukrainian village taken/in danger'
      It HUGELY embarrassed putin, forced him to re-route troops away from the frontlines, slowing down the advances, 200k internal russian refugees who wernt protected by their 'strongman' putin, plus conscripts dying/POWs = internal pressure on putin.
      This war at least is about so very much more than lines on the maps^
      Russia is currently the 2nd best army in russia! hehe!

    • @EasyFill-yv7dn
      @EasyFill-yv7dn Месяц назад

      Comments on here get deleted faster then My pint

    • @kim-ys2fs
      @kim-ys2fs Месяц назад

      @@EasyFill-yv7dn agreed. I was saying how kursk gained things for ukraine such as changing the global narrative. alot of my comments have disappeared of late, im starting to suspect it-savvy russians deleting comments they dont like, because ive not said anything that is not factual

  • @kevinstevens5309
    @kevinstevens5309 Месяц назад

    So, this channel reads posts from X/Twitter... I can do that. Thanks for sharing your source. It will save me a lot of time.

  • @EvzenKovar-i5p
    @EvzenKovar-i5p Месяц назад

    Sup bois

  • @AndrewPeake-f2q
    @AndrewPeake-f2q Месяц назад +1

    Please pronounce the Russian names of the settlements in the correct name's, as you are not giving the correct pronunciations of the Ukrainian and uk names to the places as you name

    • @hgv1947
      @hgv1947 Месяц назад +2

      Do you pronounce everything correctly

  • @clockwork.design
    @clockwork.design Месяц назад +1

    Cheers as ever JP!

  • @jamaldarwand1935
    @jamaldarwand1935 Месяц назад

    But Ukrainian not going anywhere and keep losing men and equipment for potato farms.