Thats great. As well did I. It was a really special summer. Spent about 3 weeks hiking the trails there. I remember the foxes being very friendly :) and BIG Mooses!
Ever the contrarian, I believe the glacial or water models are wrong, this was plasma erosion, the copper is formed as a result of electric currents within the bedrock, currents sufficient to create neutrons in a confined crystal lattice. The great lakes themselves and all the lakes up to the Beaufort sea region were etched by a dense flow of cold protons entering from space at the north pole region during a major solar proton storm/CME. This was the ~12.5-13 KYA event which wiped out most life on the surface, only those living underground at this time would have survived, and is the reason underground habitats are found around the world. The dendritic appearance of some of the copper is evidence of electrical activity, and I have seen the same in copper taken from mines on southern Vancouver Island.
@@thedarkmoon2341 That's really fascinating. I hadn't thought about the currents being that strong before. But being a fan of SuspiciousObservers on RUclips, it makes a plausible theory.
@@jfager100 I was told by the top man in solar physics that their models put no upper limit on the magnitude of magnetic solar storms. It is not that the currents can be that large, it is humans who are vanishingly small, though I do believe our souls are eternal and will go on regardless of what might befall the Earth.
When I was younger I found a worked copper ax head in a creek that ran through my backyard. (Duluth) It got put in my parent's shed and I haven't seen it for a long time now. My father worked for the forest service digging paleo Indian sites up in the BWCA. So I suspect he may have turned it in. But I'm really not sure. Every now and then I go back just to see if anything else has fallen out of the creek bank. No luck so far.
A copper axe head? Holy canoli...and I felt all bad-ass when I found part of a stone mortar and pestle, as well as part of what looks like the base only of an arrowhead. Part of a bunch of stones thrown up by my mom getting her driveway regraded about 15 years ago in N. California; not aware the Native Americans there did any metalworking prior to Columbus, though.
I’ve been at these old mines starting in the 80s. The isle royal hill side is covered in ancient pits that were mined for thousands of years, I think this one particular hill was called pine mountain but I could be wrong. . Just north of the island on the Canadian side of the border is a very small island called silver inlet. During the 1870s a vein of rich silver outcropping was found in the middle of the island. The ore was very rich and was mined until the lake flooded into the workings. You can still find the shaft opening right at lake level, the island is only a speck of rock sticking out of the lake. I’ve explored many of the workings on the main island and was amazed at how extensive the pit workings were. You could see that it took hundreds of years to dig these by hand. Even more amazing was the fact that these were worked only during the short summer months . I used to sail my cape dory sailboat out there over a period of eight years. It was an amazing period of exploration for me to visit this island and Lake Superior as a whole. I was really crazy in those days as this boat was only twenty feet long and it carried me all over the lake. It was all I could afford to buy and I made the most of it. My navigation was a good map and compass. Years later I did break down and purchase a radio . Lol I’m in my early 70s and now I travel on my motorcycle and am still dumb enough to hop on for short rides of 9000 miles or so every now and then. Guess I still haven’t matured in my old age yet. In fact ten years ago right after four by passes a friend of mine and I drove our cycles to Alaska and back. My wife had to work so she didn’t come along. She though that maybe I was too weak to make the drive but seven weeks living in a tent made me stronger.
It was Silver Islet as I recall. That's an amazing story! Good for you to be healthy enough to travel, I wish I could. I miss the UP and our house on Rt 41 in Kearsarge. Do you know a guy from Illinois who moved to the UP named Warren?
@@priscillapastimes yes indeed silver islet is the name. It is located at the end of the sibley peninsula. The is a town at the very end of the peninsula and the tiny island is off shore a little ways. We live in northern Minnesota and know only a handful of people residing in the UP. We love to travel even after 28 surgeries, doctors repair me and I go about my life until I need to be rebuilt again. Lol
I have not heard that one. The mining just wasn't that productive when compared to the UP vast deposits of copper. The ones In the UP were massive by any measurements. The workings travel way out to both sides deep under the lake bottom. My guess is the haven't yet made a dent in the raw copper deposits. The last of the mining finished up in the late 1960s But cord samples have found a number of other minerals they can go after. In fact the is a gold mine under ways and iron is still mined but that is common to a ender. @@brentrussell780
I can't remember where I read it, but apparently Michigan copper has been found in archeological digs in the area of ancient Babylon. The oceans were not barriers in ancient times, they were highways. We do not give the ancient peoples near enough credit for their knowledge and capabilities in so many areas, including navigation, and ship building. The evidence for the widespread migration, trade and exploration by the ancients is overwhelming if ones cares to look, and can stomach the overturning of the paradigm. Thanks for the video!!
I recall reading the same thing. But have heard that it is false. Would be incredible if true. I grew up in Southern Wisconsin. It would be interesting to see what the region looked like before the glacier rearranged it and what was there. The Devils Lake area near Baraboo, WI is called an "Un-glaciated" area, the massive glaciers went around this area. The terrain is vastly different then rest of the region.
This is absolutely not true. We've done lead isotope analysis on a bunch of the alleged Great Lakes copper from around the Mediterranean multiple times, and there's no match, but this lie just doesn't want to die.
@@NathanaelFosaaen Interesting. I've not heard about the lead isotope testing. Do you have a source I can look up for the articles? I just want to find the truth, and if there is solid evidence against this I want to know it.
@@NegdoshaManido The easiest ones to get your hands on are these two: Christopher M. Monroe 2010 Sunk Costs at Late Bronze Age Uluburun Andreas Hauptmann, Robert Maddin and Michael Prange 2002 On the Structure and Composition of Copper and Tin Ingots Excavated from the Shipwreck of Uluburun You can mine their citations if you want to dig further. I also always recommend Susan R. Martin's "Wonderful Power: The story of Ancient Copper Working in the Lake Superior Basin." It's still the best starting point for someone who is interested in Great Lakes copper, and save for a few details (like the new study that's pushing the start date further into the Early Archaic), it still holds up really well. Great writing too.
I have been a arrowhead hunter since 1988 in the Ohio river valley , many times I have found small pieces of copper in plowed fields and along the river bank , it was not until I saw your video on Dover Mound that I realized all those little pieces of copper were not trash but artifacts . I pick up all the copper I find but if its not a coin or button I throw it down , not anymore . this Summer I will be working the river bank all along Dover , we know copper is there .
There HAS been a theory proposed that the copper ore, from Isle Royale, was transported in Phoenician ships across Lake Superior and down Lake Michigan to the Illinois River. From there it was brought down the Mississippi to the Ohio River and up the Ohio River to southern Ohio (State). There it is was heated and formed into "cow hides" for ocean shipment back to the Med.
@@badguy1481That's extremely interesting, first I've heard about that section of the copper trade route. Passes right through "Little Egypt" on its way south. That route would make sense and be efficient.
The copper from this mine can be precisely identified, apart from copper from any other mine, worldwide. An ancient shipwreck was found in the mediteranean, near the mideast, that was chock full of copper from these mines.
NO... this fantasy is such complete bullshit. No diseases from the america's(syphalis in particular) appreared in europe intil AFTER confirmed contact by vikings, and theres only 1 case before 1492 which happened to be in an area with strong viking connections. If any ship went to the americas and returned just once, it would have bought back that and others. Also, ANY european or africans who went there to mine would have used pottery, you would find vast mountains of it. None is found. The only artifacts actually found are local peoples. Thats 2 undeniable bits of evidence, where as the idea some ship found in the med must be american just because its pure is ridiculously weak, and ignores the large amounts the europeans mined locally. The whole idea is patronising childish bullshit being SOLD by con artists.
@@christianbuczko1481 Most Ojibwe share genetic match to a portion of French ancestry via bridge from North America to mainland Europe, France 6000 years prior to west coast North to South ice corridor theory. The Archaic America : Earth works series explains very well what these groups walked into. Most ''European'' decedent's were already mapping / measuring the globe in part with a form of 'Asian population', which is why many Red headed mummies are found along the Silk road. Hence the term Pharaoh '' Fer ''Iron '' It seems most '' Indigenous'' to The Northern states and Southern Canada came up from a previous Southern western States / Mexican area . Prior to that South to North via the Kelp highway. No need to bunch the panties , the man made a good point that required thought not mimicking.
@@christianbuczko1481 Most Europeans are very Familiar with the Sami people and Yakutian. In fact, Just by using our dogs The Swedish Jämthund and Norwegian Elkhounds we can prove that in some cases Rock art clearly depicts what was custom for thousands of years and still is. Europeans getting off boats with their pups , Dogs used for Hunting game while parties explored territory. Red Ocra is a good example from Eastern Canada. Burials in Florida are good example. No fantasies, just a better scope.
when i was young i remember hearing that some of the copper tested in the old world contained silver,,,, the only place that happens naturally is in Michigan
You're right that isotonic analysis of Greek Roman and Egyptian bronze contained Michigan copper. Also the copper ingots found in those ancient Mediterranean shipwrecks. The isotonic analysis matched isle royal copper.
This story is not true it's been asserted by a psuedoscientist The copper in the shipwreck of the coast of Turkey was in ingot form and from Cyprus All the copper in Michigan was cold beaten and never smelted as ingots
The island was sculpted by glacial activity. The tools found there from the earliest dates perfectly match Minoan tools. !!!! The copper taken from Isle Royal is unique on the Earth. It is extremely pure, and this copper appears in the archeological record of the Eastern Mediterranean etc. during the golden age of Minoan culture. !!!
When he stated, "you can tell by looking at this island that it was formed by an ancient flood event", I thought, no that is obviously glacial topography. This being well known to me, being Minnesotan and having a keen interest in geology. It makes me wonder what else he got wrong in this video.
@@jfu5222, I'm an Illinoisan, but I've enjoyed the Boundary Waters out on the Gunflint Trail since childhood in the seventies! Lol Beautiful, and definitely glacial-recession terrain! The rock-falls and deep lakes are sublime West-Northwest of Isle Royale fer sure! 🍻👍🏻
This information is awesome, I'm a natural born Michigander, I've lived in Texas, for a long time now. But this is incredible stuff, thank you so much.
Man that's really fascinating Chuck! This copper mystery is so intriguing, just imagining all the different artefacts that were made out of this metal & the sheer extent of the ancient trading network this copper was involved in. They say; what were the ancients up to? I think it would be safe to say; a lot more than we could've ever imagined. Thanks a lot Chuck, have yourself a good evening my man.👊
I love learning about my home on your channel. You showed me the native mounds around Minnetonka I never knew about. I spent a summer on Isle Royal as a teenager. The Minong Ridge trail is particularly beautiful. They taught us the animals got there only when the lake freezes over. It's amazing to imagine people there that long ago. ❤ Hope youre all doing well.
Last time I was in that area was 2011. I haw historical signs saying that the locals of the 1700s pieces of raw copper and did not use copper but considered it sacred. The visitors from Europe were very interested in finding the source of it but for a long time the locals would not tell them.
The work of Johnathan Gray if I recall backs up your theory and I tend to think the same. At least for the copper mining etc as Soloman's trading fleets would stay out for three years at a time before returning. This is his humble website www.beforeus.com/
I hiked Isle Royal end to end 3 times in the early 80s. Just beautiful. At the time I was not familiar with copper mining in Isle Royal but was familiar with it on the Keweenaw Peninsula. I remember reading that their copper was found as far South as the tip of South America. True or not, ancient trading patterns have always been of interest. Thank you for this, Michigan copper in Turkey? Just amazing!
I'm embarrassed to say I always thought Isle Royale was part of Wisconsin, not Michigan. So in addition to learning about the intriguing history of copper mining in that area, I got a geography lesson too.
I've hiked up there before when I was young. Neat finding copper even on the Keweenaw now day too in veins on the surface. Looks like you found the MTU reference. I earned my first B.S. from there and grew up visiting family in the Keweenaw prior where disturbingly, my Grandmother died around the time I graduated and my Grandfather died just prior to me attending.
The copper history in Michigan is pretty strange. So much copper mined so long ago, heard a theory that Michigan copper helped fuel the European bronze age.
Heard that recently, too. Very interesting. I watched one video where it said it’s not accurate, though. It explained that all the bronze tools and weaponry in Europe were made from copper that came from European mines. I don’t know who is right. But it’s really interesting, I agree. Have a great day, man. 🤙🏽
About 40 years ago, my father made a trip with friends to the Keweenau Peninsula. He returned to his Montana home with a couple large (18-20") rounded, almost black fine-grained rocks with a seam of native copper running through them about 1/2" thick; they became part of the rock border around the flower beds my mother had surrounding their house trailer. I have no idea what became of them (after my parents passed away, my brother sold the trailer and got rid of everything, all without telling me or my sister, then left for parts unknown!), but I remember those rocks well.
I have a cabin in northern Wisconsin about 20 min south of Superior and when we were digging out basement out of a hill we found a copper knife about 30 feet in the ground . We took it in to a appraiser who told us it was modern even though it looked like it was extremely old . My dad believed that knife was ancient until the day he died . The guy who appraised it sent us a letter that he wanted to buy the knife and my mother sold it to him right after my father was buried .
Copper knives were used for artillery and on sailing ships up through WWII to cut open powder bags. Commonly called Powder Monkey knives because they don't spark. Very collectable.
@@greg6235 This was not like that . This was a super primitive blade made from copper in a way no modern tool had ever touched it . when the guy came back to buy he it admitted he had a change of heart and though it was old indian copper .
@@jesusoftheapes he was a thief and a liar and didn't want your family to know what they had found. There are tons of people like that out there.....Just keep what you find to yourself and enjoy it 🙂
@@heavymetalredneck7973 No doubt . That is how lots of the people who are in the game act too . Instead of helping people celebrate their findings they always downplay them so they can get their greedy little mitts on them . He waited until my father died too because he knew my Dad knew what it was and would never have sold it for $50 dollars like my mom did .
Hey Chuck, thanks for the video! You were wondering what the circle and cross represents? This is definitively what is known as a “Medicine Wheel.” It is a common spiritual teaching and object among the Anishinaabe (The Ojibwe.) I am part Anishinaabe and have a lot of personal experience with Medicine wheel teachings. They are commonly referred to as “The Four Colors” as well. Each section of the wheel represents a stage of life (infant, child, adult, elder) and one of the “four bodies” (spiritual, emotional, physical, and mental.) Living in good balance with one’s self and the natural world revolves around living in balance with the Medicine Wheel and it’s teachings. We go through the wheel in our sweat lodge ceremonies and pay respect to each of one of the four “door keepers.” Each section of the wheel is guarded by a Manitou (a spirit) who serves Gitche Manitou (Creator.) These guardians vary from culture to culture. In my community, it is Eagle, Grandmother Buffalo, Bear and Wolf.
Thanks for that. Read it twice. Indigenous American history is very fascinating to me. I was told I have Chinook ancestors somewhere back. And one of my grandmothers was from Venezuela, I don’t know anything about tribes there. The spiritual traditions are very interesting, so thanks. 🤙🏽🇺🇸
The Canadian Shield across the border is believed to have been scoured out by meteor that cut a deep scar into the earth exposing the mineral deposits.
Take this with a grain of salt, I’m not sure how accurate this is but I read an article years back that stated researchers had estimated, based on how much a person could possibly mine by hand in a day and the amount of material that was missing and had been mined from the earth in the ancient Michigan copper mines it would have taken 1000 men around 10,000 years to move that amount of material. I also saw the articles about the copper found in ancient shipwreck offshore of Turkey and find it all incredibly interesting. The copper in Michigan is actually considered some of the finest copper found on earth and has certain characteristics that are only found in Michigan copper which can be used to identify artifacts made from Michigan copper. If I remember correctly it has a certain percentage of silver ore but its been a good while (around 15 years) since I read it so not positive about that point. Great vid ✌️🙂👍
You are spot on with your points. My research suggests that Isle Royale copper is more prolific than that mined on the Keweenaw. Also, that possibly less than 15% of available copper was ever mined - change in NY/NJ financing and federalization of railroads wiped out the northern michigan copper mining industry.
I read that same article about the mining in the upper midwest! I've been curious about the statics ever since! It also said many tons of iron from the iron range in northern MN is missing as well and the same ratio for those missing tons would take a miner hundreds and hundreds of thousands of thousands of years.
If they admit to 4500 years ago you can bet it goes back at least 3 times longer than that. The fact they find that copper in so many places in old items proves, to me, that the trading of those goods was done my more advanced groups
Thank you so much for this video and all the effort you have been putting in. There are so many questions I have about life that still remain unanswered period at 67 is nice to get a little bit more information
Thanks as always. These copper mines have been written about and documented so totally legit yet confounding, fascinating. There are legends of the Iroquois and their secret silver mine in my region of upstate NY. Great stuff
Of interest is the fact that Lake Superior region Copper made its way to the Mediterranean region. Found in ship wrecks at the bottom of the Mediterranean dating back 3000+ years ago.
Amazing! Twenty feet into bedrock is an impressive feat regardless of the day in age. I live in Northern California in The Sierra Nevada Mountains and, like a lot of folks here in The Gold Country I do a bit of prospecting. I have been detecting a lot throughout this Covid mess and when I come across a site from even the 1800’s it’s enough to excite me and make my imagination run wild. Something from 6,500 years ago is magnificent, it really provokes a feeling of nostalgia for some strange reason, and I feel like Humanity’s story is a lot more interesting than we’ll ever know. These videos are great, Chuck. I love to learn about Ancient History and you’ve got your finger on the pulse. Without this resource I’d be missing out on so much. Cheers!
Aside from the Etowa Mounds, the Ocmulgee Mounds in Macon, Georgia has a display that shows that the chief wore a Puma skin as a robe with the skin of the head over his head and the rest as a cape. But then he had the mandible covered with copper and wore it as a crown. He used this dress on the vernal equinox as he sat inside of the only kiva East of the Mississippi River and his position was directly in line with the opening which aligned with the sun rise so that the first rays touched him. Each person than sat radially in both directions on both sides of him in descending order of their rank in the tribe. The settlement was supposed to be approximately 13,000 people at its peak and it was the capital for the Creek Nation while Etowa was the capital for the Cherokee Nation. Both Tribes disliked each other and their is a legend of a battle after a Cherokee Chef caught up with his daughter who had eloped with the son of the Creek Chief. The Creek Prince was thrown to his death and the Cherokee Princes jumped to her death. When the Creek Chief found out about his sons death, war was declared and a great battle took place where the young lovers died and it is said that they fought from sun up until sun set and around 10,000 warriors died and the streams ran red with blood for days giving the mountain it’s name until today. Blood Mountain, one of the first mountains that you cross as you walk the Appalachian Trail to Mount Cadillac, Main. The old professor Live free or die! Death to all tyrants! The truth will stand when the earth falls! No Crap.
6000 years before present, the Great Lakes potentially drained through Lake Nipissing and the Ottawa River-completely bypassing the Niagara Escarpment. No portage may have been needed to go from Atlantic to interior.
Call me an ignorant Brit, but I hadn't realised Native Americans were interested in copper, from many of the older "settler" era descriptions I can't remember any describing copper tools and jewellery (I'm probably wrong but...). I find that fascinating, because what people wouldn't want cutting edge technology and beautiful polished copper adornments, so if they had them surely in any ceremonial occasion they would have been displayed. Did they lose the technology and barter/trade the copper? You'd assume it was like visiting Granny, and she always got her best chinaware out for the occasion. What do the First Nations people's histories say? Their ancestors knowledge of this period, and the history of the land is generally far better than ours. I had heard it said that it was calculated there had been a sizable weight of copper ore mined from that area, far more than we can account for, given population sizes and methods of transportation and destinations to trade with back then. I don't know how good that information is as I got it watching one of those documentaries about the red haired race of giants. I wished I had a time machine... Great upload, thank you and keep up the excellent work.
All I'm seeing lately is about a climate event 5,200 - 5,100years ago. This site coming to an abrupt end is another site tied into this time. Thanks Chuck for all you do , great work, much appreciated.
A few years ago I read an article that said that many of the copper artifacts found in the middle east and southern Anatolia dating between 4000 and 6000 years ago, were an exact match, both chemically and compositionally to samples of the copper deposits at Isle Royale. I can't find that article anymore and when I dug deeper I found that there were several other articles written on that same subject but cannot find any of them either!
In the Minoan civilization, on Crete. Yes it is true. Not pseudoarchaelogy. Even the name of the copper mines in Lake Superior says it. Connect the dots !
I've become aware of several copper celts in the archeological record having been found in Iowa. I know of at least one spear point and a knife blade as well. A few sources I have feature these artifacts. Fascinating information.
I think the anomaly in the Water is a Prehistoric Fish Weir, likely constructed in lower water long submerged. Lake Couchiching in Ojibway Lands has remains and are said to be among the Oldest man made construction. It is a UNESCO Site now, I believe. Fascinating Video. Thank You
Supposedly on America UnEarthed with Scott Vaulter . He tested the Copper from the GL's region and said it was actually the copper that was responsible for most of the Bronze Age
I watched that episode, and he used a really sleazy slight of hand to trick the audience. He used bulk chemical analysis, which only tests how much copper is in the artifact compared to other trace elements. the whole point of smelting is to artificially refine poor quality copper ore into homogenous copper, so of COURSE the bulk chemical analysis made them look similar. to source copper, you have to use isotope ratio analysis, which has shown several times that the copper in the Mediterranean was being mined and processed in places like Cyprus.
I remember the "In Search Of" episode with leonard Nimoy coving this. I thought there was a carbon dated tree used as a ceiling brace from 8,000 11,000 years ago.
Yes. It was holding up a massive chunk of copper that was too big for the copper cultures to work with. And then there was tools left everywhere, like a day of work was interrupted and no one ever returned.
Probably right around when the asteroid hit somehwre if i had to guess id say in the Minnesota region melting a huge portion of the ice flooding basically all of north America.
The at 11:29 is the strongest argument for Bronze age copper trade across the Atlantic that I have ever seen. There are no known Native American Indian cultures that were known to use sails on their water craft. And that ship looks remarkably like a Phoenician trader's ship
Excellent Video There are Copper Mines in Vermont. There's also stories about a very old mine ( as opposed to the late 19th century an early 20th century one's) in Union Village Vermont. May work with the Copper found in a ship in Europe, that was mentioned in your video. Thank You R. Everett Fadden
I will suggest that if you are interested in this watching a presentation given by Dr David Pompeani here on you tube. He covers many interesting things about the island’s history (lake levels, settlement, possible harbors,etc) as well he explains how the dating was done from the lake bed settlements. It was a great lecture!😊
Isle Royale and its geologic twin the Keweenaw where there before the glaciers. The glaciers just scrapped them up and exposed the copper brought up from far below. Its rock is some of, if not THE, oldest exposed rock in the world.
there is lots of rock piles mound in quebec ,, and a lots of inside story,myth and weird places.. there is a regions that is forgotten , full of mines and small grotto.
The amount of organization to accomplish the mining and trade is not possible with our current understanding of the people of the area. That copper didn’t walk it’s way throughout the continent. It’s just more evidence we don’t have any idea what things were like. Good video
Great info. Not sure if this is significant but there is a large tribe of Ojibwe indians in Sawyer county Wisconsin as well as a town one county west of Sawyer called Washburn county. In Washburn county there is a town called Minong. It is pronounced My nong. If you go to that town of Minong, and pronounce it wrong, the locals will instantly know you are an outsider and won't give you any info...about anything. It's also where the corporate headquarters is located for Jack Link's beef jerky. I know because I lived there for 6 years. There are two cooper mines just north of Minong in the town of Gordon real close to the Ounce river. I have a native friend who has shown it to me. Very cool place geology wise.
Very, very interesting. Particularly the connections apparent to European cultures. I think it is high=time the history of this continent was rewritten.
I’ve heard in some historical accounts - that europeans n monguls even came to pilfer “Michigan copper” ...as well as supplying all of americas....must have been lots n lots of it ....
One of the smartest RUclipsrs I listened to Rest in peace...
Always come back to listen 😢 Rest well friend .
Same.
Superb video!
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.
Peace and blessings!
I’m from the Great Lakes area this is fascinating! My dad backpacked on Isle Royal
Thats great. As well did I. It was a really special summer. Spent about 3 weeks hiking the trails there. I remember the foxes being very friendly :) and BIG Mooses!
See if you can find the AMERICA UNEARTHED episode on this island. Don't trust a word of their wild speculation, but it is fun, and you see the island
That 's nice he should have helped you with your english/writing ...... It's Isle Royale...
@@stryder922 You should create a RUclips channel where you go along correctly spelling mistakes in the comments. That would be cool
I worked there. 😉
VERY well done, thank you for the research and effort.
The striations along the island are more closely associated with glacial scraping than water erosion.
Glacieral Kame. Perfect place for a Glacieral Kame Culture to survive and thrive.
@@Minong_Manitou_Mishepeshu what’s a kame culture?
Ever the contrarian, I believe the glacial or water models are wrong, this was plasma erosion, the copper is formed as a result of electric currents within the bedrock, currents sufficient to create neutrons in a confined crystal lattice. The great lakes themselves and all the lakes up to the Beaufort sea region were etched by a dense flow of cold protons entering from space at the north pole region during a major solar proton storm/CME. This was the ~12.5-13 KYA event which wiped out most life on the surface, only those living underground at this time would have survived, and is the reason underground habitats are found around the world. The dendritic appearance of some of the copper is evidence of electrical activity, and I have seen the same in copper taken from mines on southern Vancouver Island.
@@thedarkmoon2341 That's really fascinating. I hadn't thought about the currents being that strong before. But being a fan of SuspiciousObservers on RUclips, it makes a plausible theory.
@@jfager100 I was told by the top man in solar physics that their models put no upper limit on the magnitude of magnetic solar storms. It is not that the currents can be that large, it is humans who are vanishingly small, though I do believe our souls are eternal and will go on regardless of what might befall the Earth.
When I was younger I found a worked copper ax head in a creek that ran through my backyard. (Duluth)
It got put in my parent's shed and I haven't seen it for a long time now.
My father worked for the forest service digging paleo Indian sites up in the BWCA.
So I suspect he may have turned it in. But I'm really not sure.
Every now and then I go back just to see if anything else has fallen out of the creek bank.
No luck so far.
A copper axe head? Holy canoli...and I felt all bad-ass when I found part of a stone mortar and pestle, as well as part of what looks like the base only of an arrowhead.
Part of a bunch of stones thrown up by my mom getting her driveway regraded about 15 years ago in N. California; not aware the Native Americans there did any metalworking prior to Columbus, though.
I’ve been at these old mines starting in the 80s. The isle royal hill side is covered in ancient pits that were mined for thousands of years, I think this one particular hill was called pine mountain but I could be wrong. . Just north of the island on the Canadian side of the border is a very small island called silver inlet. During the 1870s a vein of rich silver outcropping was found in the middle of the island. The ore was very rich and was mined until the lake flooded into the workings. You can still find the shaft opening right at lake level, the island is only a speck of rock sticking out of the lake.
I’ve explored many of the workings on the main island and was amazed at how extensive the pit workings were. You could see that it took hundreds of years to dig these by hand. Even more amazing was the fact that these were worked only during the short summer months .
I used to sail my cape dory sailboat out there over a period of eight years. It was an amazing period of exploration for me to visit this island and Lake Superior as a whole. I was really crazy in those days as this boat was only twenty feet long and it carried me all over the lake. It was all I could afford to buy and I made the most of it. My navigation was a good map and compass. Years later I did break down and purchase a radio . Lol
I’m in my early 70s and now I travel on my motorcycle and am still dumb enough to hop on for short rides of 9000 miles or so every now and then. Guess I still haven’t matured in my old age yet. In fact ten years ago right after four by passes a friend of mine and I drove our cycles to Alaska and back. My wife had to work so she didn’t come along. She though that maybe I was too weak to make the drive but seven weeks living in a tent made me stronger.
It was Silver Islet as I recall. That's an amazing story!
Good for you to be healthy enough to travel, I wish I could. I miss the UP and our house on Rt 41 in Kearsarge. Do you know a guy from Illinois who moved to the UP named Warren?
@@priscillapastimes yes indeed silver islet is the name. It is located at the end of the sibley peninsula. The is a town at the very end of the peninsula and the tiny island is off shore a little ways.
We live in northern Minnesota and know only a handful of people residing in the UP.
We love to travel even after 28 surgeries, doctors repair me and I go about my life until I need to be rebuilt again. Lol
If it doesn't kill you it makes you stronger !!!
Physically and mentally !!!
I think they stopped mining because the north american plate had risen enough by then to make navigation impossible from the atlantic to isle royale
I have not heard that one. The mining just wasn't that productive when compared to the UP vast deposits of copper. The ones In the UP were massive by any measurements. The workings travel way out to both sides deep under the lake bottom. My guess is the haven't yet made a dent in the raw copper deposits. The last of the mining finished up in the late 1960s But cord samples have found a number of other minerals they can go after. In fact the is a gold mine under ways and iron is still mined but that is common to a ender. @@brentrussell780
I can't remember where I read it, but apparently Michigan copper has been found in archeological digs in the area of ancient Babylon. The oceans were not barriers in ancient times, they were highways. We do not give the ancient peoples near enough credit for their knowledge and capabilities in so many areas, including navigation, and ship building. The evidence for the widespread migration, trade and exploration by the ancients is overwhelming if ones cares to look, and can stomach the overturning of the paradigm. Thanks for the video!!
I recall reading the same thing. But have heard that it is false. Would be incredible if true.
I grew up in Southern Wisconsin. It would be interesting to see what the region looked like before the glacier rearranged it and what was there. The Devils Lake area near Baraboo, WI is called an "Un-glaciated" area, the massive glaciers went around this area. The terrain is vastly different then rest of the region.
This is absolutely not true. We've done lead isotope analysis on a bunch of the alleged Great Lakes copper from around the Mediterranean multiple times, and there's no match, but this lie just doesn't want to die.
@@NathanaelFosaaen Interesting. I've not heard about the lead isotope testing. Do you have a source I can look up for the articles? I just want to find the truth, and if there is solid evidence against this I want to know it.
@@NegdoshaManido The easiest ones to get your hands on are these two:
Christopher M. Monroe 2010
Sunk Costs at Late Bronze Age Uluburun
Andreas Hauptmann, Robert Maddin and Michael Prange 2002
On the Structure and Composition of Copper and Tin Ingots Excavated from the
Shipwreck of Uluburun
You can mine their citations if you want to dig further.
I also always recommend Susan R. Martin's "Wonderful Power: The story of Ancient Copper Working in the Lake Superior Basin." It's still the best starting point for someone who is interested in Great Lakes copper, and save for a few details (like the new study that's pushing the start date further into the Early Archaic), it still holds up really well. Great writing too.
@@NathanaelFosaaen Awesome! Thanks!! : )
I have been a arrowhead hunter since 1988 in the Ohio river valley , many times I have found small pieces of copper in plowed fields and along the river bank , it was not until I saw your video on Dover Mound that I realized all those little pieces of copper were not trash but artifacts . I pick up all the copper I find but if its not a coin or button I throw it down , not anymore . this Summer I will be working the river bank all along Dover , we know copper is there .
Taking a metal detector along might help.
Perhaps they were using those bits of copper as stores of value, i.e. coins?
Trade preforms.
There HAS been a theory proposed that the copper ore, from Isle Royale, was transported in Phoenician ships across Lake Superior and down Lake Michigan to the Illinois River. From there it was brought down the Mississippi to the Ohio River and up the Ohio River to southern Ohio (State). There it is was heated and formed into "cow hides" for ocean shipment back to the Med.
@@badguy1481That's extremely interesting, first I've heard about that section of the copper trade route. Passes right through "Little Egypt" on its way south. That route would make sense and be efficient.
This would make a very interesting site for LIDAR exploration.
That's an awesome idea.
Lidar is the only way to find ancient mining pits in a heavily forested area.
@@alanjohnson2613 thank you for explaining this I appreciate it.
The copper from this mine can be precisely identified, apart from copper from any other mine, worldwide. An ancient shipwreck was found in the mediteranean, near the mideast, that was chock full of copper from these mines.
Good point
NO... this fantasy is such complete bullshit. No diseases from the america's(syphalis in particular) appreared in europe intil AFTER confirmed contact by vikings, and theres only 1 case before 1492 which happened to be in an area with strong viking connections. If any ship went to the americas and returned just once, it would have bought back that and others. Also, ANY european or africans who went there to mine would have used pottery, you would find vast mountains of it. None is found. The only artifacts actually found are local peoples. Thats 2 undeniable bits of evidence, where as the idea some ship found in the med must be american just because its pure is ridiculously weak, and ignores the large amounts the europeans mined locally. The whole idea is patronising childish bullshit being SOLD by con artists.
@@christianbuczko1481 Most Ojibwe share genetic match to a portion of French ancestry via bridge from North America to mainland Europe, France 6000 years prior to west coast North to South ice corridor theory. The Archaic America : Earth works series explains very well what these groups walked into. Most ''European'' decedent's were already mapping / measuring the globe in part with a form of 'Asian population', which is why many Red headed mummies are found along the Silk road. Hence the term Pharaoh '' Fer ''Iron ''
It seems most '' Indigenous'' to The Northern states and Southern Canada came up from a previous Southern western States / Mexican area . Prior to that South to North via the Kelp highway.
No need to bunch the panties , the man made a good point that required thought not mimicking.
@@MT-pi3ct ojibwe???? And what ice bridge from america to france????? Have you been reading fiction??
@@christianbuczko1481 Most Europeans are very Familiar with the Sami people and Yakutian.
In fact, Just by using our dogs The Swedish Jämthund and Norwegian Elkhounds we can prove that in some cases Rock art clearly depicts what was custom for thousands of years and still is. Europeans getting off boats with their pups , Dogs used for Hunting game while parties explored territory. Red Ocra is a good example from Eastern Canada. Burials in Florida are good example. No fantasies, just a better scope.
Fantastic topic! I'm going to watch this at home later on the big screen to do it justice. Thanks for all your hard work, love your content
when i was young i remember hearing that some of the copper tested in the old world contained silver,,,, the only place that happens naturally is in Michigan
Outside Copper Harbor they found a huge boulder of silver and the Indians had chiseled off all the useful copper.
"Mohawkite" is one only found in that area.. can contain all sorts including gold and silver.
You're right that isotonic analysis of Greek Roman and Egyptian bronze contained Michigan copper. Also the copper ingots found in those ancient Mediterranean shipwrecks. The isotonic analysis matched isle royal copper.
They can tell what mine or general area this copper is from now
This story is not true it's been asserted by a psuedoscientist
The copper in the shipwreck of the coast of Turkey was in ingot form and from Cyprus
All the copper in Michigan was cold beaten and never smelted as ingots
The island was sculpted by glacial activity.
The tools found there from the earliest dates perfectly match Minoan tools. !!!!
The copper taken from Isle Royal is unique on the Earth. It is extremely pure, and this copper appears in the archeological record of the Eastern Mediterranean etc. during the golden age of Minoan culture. !!!
When he stated, "you can tell by looking at this island that it was formed by an ancient flood event", I thought, no that is obviously glacial topography. This being well known to me, being Minnesotan and having a keen interest in geology. It makes me wonder what else he got wrong in this video.
@@jfu5222,
I'm an Illinoisan, but I've enjoyed the Boundary Waters out on the Gunflint Trail since childhood in the seventies! Lol
Beautiful, and definitely glacial-recession terrain! The rock-falls and deep lakes are sublime West-Northwest of Isle Royale fer sure! 🍻👍🏻
This information is awesome, I'm a natural born Michigander, I've lived in Texas, for a long time now. But this is incredible stuff, thank you so much.
Love this tiny obscure history mystery! It has been a long time since I've seen anything about it.
Insanely interesting. I love that entire area
Fascinating. Really enjoyed this. Used to spend my youth up on the southern shore of Lake Superior. Love that region.
Thank you, love this! My Mom was born in the UP as well. Love this information and all the comments.
Thanks for all the work u do putting these videos together.
Fascinating, very interesting thanks for all the info.
I was one of the people waiting for a video of yours on this topic. Very enjoyable! Thank you & God bless.
My brother and I found a hammer stone. We live in Duluth MN. I’m awestruck. I’ve been interested in/studying ancient civilizations for years.
“Everybody, video here for ya today...”. Six of my favorite words 😁
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes indeed they are always fascinating
Excellent video! As a society, we have to POUND this into current Archeology, otherwise, it'll be forgotten again. Share this video!
It's all over the archaeological literature. We talk about it a lot.
Man that's really fascinating Chuck! This copper mystery is so intriguing, just imagining all the different artefacts that were made out of this metal & the sheer extent of the ancient trading network this copper was involved in. They say; what were the ancients up to? I think it would be safe to say; a lot more than we could've ever imagined.
Thanks a lot Chuck, have yourself a good evening my man.👊
I love learning about my home on your channel. You showed me the native mounds around Minnetonka I never knew about.
I spent a summer on Isle Royal as a teenager. The Minong Ridge trail is particularly beautiful.
They taught us the animals got there only when the lake freezes over.
It's amazing to imagine people there that long ago. ❤
Hope youre all doing well.
The story about ancient North America is sadly lost, These videos are a treasure
Last time I was in that area was 2011. I haw historical signs saying that the locals of the 1700s pieces of raw copper and did not use copper but considered it sacred. The visitors from Europe were very interested in finding the source of it but for a long time the locals would not tell them.
Same with the massive silver deposits, found just a few miles north of Minong around Silver Island, and others.
Thank you for this informative presentation. I appreciate all the links.
King Solomon's Mines, IMO, sir! Also these people supplied the Inca and pre-Inca the metals and acids required for stone formation.
Hey Chuck, good to see you here. Great minds think alike or something like that.
The work of Johnathan Gray if I recall backs up your theory and I tend to think the same. At least for the copper mining etc as Soloman's trading fleets would stay out for three years at a time before returning. This is his humble website www.beforeus.com/
Hey Charles. I did some videos on Solomon 5-6 years ago. Still searching for any mention of him in the historical record.
@@MrSmithOriginal Thanks Mr Smith, didn't know about that!
@@cfapps7865 Oh nice!
Absolutely love this. So glad I stumbled across your channel.
I hiked Isle Royal end to end 3 times in the early 80s. Just beautiful. At the time I was not familiar with copper mining in Isle Royal but was familiar with it on the Keweenaw Peninsula. I remember reading that their copper was found as far South as the tip of South America. True or not, ancient trading patterns have always been of interest. Thank you for this, Michigan copper in Turkey? Just amazing!
I'm embarrassed to say I always thought Isle Royale was part of Wisconsin, not Michigan. So in addition to learning about the intriguing history of copper mining in that area, I got a geography lesson too.
Michigan traded Toledo for the U.P. and Isle Royale to get statehood, ending Toledo War.
Thanks my friend! Appreciate your hard work!
I've hiked up there before when I was young. Neat finding copper even on the Keweenaw now day too in veins on the surface. Looks like you found the MTU reference. I earned my first B.S. from there and grew up visiting family in the Keweenaw prior where disturbingly, my Grandmother died around the time I graduated and my Grandfather died just prior to me attending.
The copper history in Michigan is pretty strange. So much copper mined so long ago, heard a theory that Michigan copper helped fuel the European bronze age.
Heard that recently, too. Very interesting. I watched one video where it said it’s not accurate, though. It explained that all the bronze tools and weaponry in Europe were made from
copper that came from European mines. I don’t know who is right. But it’s really interesting, I agree. Have a great day, man. 🤙🏽
Thanks for doing this episode!!
About 40 years ago, my father made a trip with friends to the Keweenau Peninsula. He returned to his Montana home with a couple large (18-20") rounded, almost black fine-grained rocks with a seam of native copper running through them about 1/2" thick; they became part of the rock border around the flower beds my mother had surrounding their house trailer. I have no idea what became of them (after my parents passed away, my brother sold the trailer and got rid of everything, all without telling me or my sister, then left for parts unknown!), but I remember those rocks well.
Good to see more people Questioning.
Where Many Millions of Tons of Copper Went ???
oh yea! this is a difficult subject to find good info on, THANK YOU
Fascinating indeed! Thanks Chuck for your video!
I have a cabin in northern Wisconsin about 20 min south of Superior and when we were digging out basement out of a hill we found a copper knife about 30 feet in the ground . We took it in to a appraiser who told us it was modern even though it looked like it was extremely old . My dad believed that knife was ancient until the day he died . The guy who appraised it sent us a letter that he wanted to buy the knife and my mother sold it to him right after my father was buried .
Born in Duluth and been camping on the Brule? River.
Copper knives were used for artillery and on sailing ships up through WWII to cut open powder bags. Commonly called Powder Monkey knives because they don't spark. Very collectable.
@@greg6235 This was not like that . This was a super primitive blade made from copper in a way no modern tool had ever touched it . when the guy came back to buy he it admitted he had a change of heart and though it was old indian copper .
@@jesusoftheapes he was a thief and a liar and didn't want your family to know what they had found. There are tons of people like that out there.....Just keep what you find to yourself and enjoy it 🙂
@@heavymetalredneck7973 No doubt . That is how lots of the people who are in the game act too . Instead of helping people celebrate their findings they always downplay them so they can get their greedy little mitts on them . He waited until my father died too because he knew my Dad knew what it was and would never have sold it for $50 dollars like my mom did .
My thanks Sir, this was a fascinating look at the Ancient Copper Mining evidence on Isle Royale.
An education, great work.
Cold hammering.... it surprises me that a people mining and shaping copper wouldn’t have discovered or come to know about annealing.
Hey Chuck, thanks for the video! You were wondering what the circle and cross represents? This is definitively what is known as a “Medicine Wheel.” It is a common spiritual teaching and object among the Anishinaabe (The Ojibwe.) I am part Anishinaabe and have a lot of personal experience with Medicine wheel teachings. They are commonly referred to as “The Four Colors” as well. Each section of the wheel represents a stage of life (infant, child, adult, elder) and one of the “four bodies” (spiritual, emotional, physical, and mental.) Living in good balance with one’s self and the natural world revolves around living in balance with the Medicine Wheel and it’s teachings. We go through the wheel in our sweat lodge ceremonies and pay respect to each of one of the four “door keepers.” Each section of the wheel is guarded by a Manitou (a spirit) who serves Gitche Manitou (Creator.) These guardians vary from culture to culture. In my community, it is Eagle, Grandmother Buffalo, Bear and Wolf.
Thanks for that. Read it twice. Indigenous American history is very fascinating to me. I was told I have Chinook ancestors somewhere back. And one of my grandmothers was from Venezuela, I don’t know anything about tribes there. The spiritual traditions are very interesting,
so thanks. 🤙🏽🇺🇸
This is incredible stuff! Thank you for sharing!
Awesome video. My family is also from the UP.
Lots of ancient mining history up there; far older than we think!
I heard somewhere long ago that the copper up there was meteoric in origin. That strange anomaly offshore was pretty interesting!
The coppers in that area are proven to be outcropping of ancient upheavals.
The Canadian Shield across the border is believed to have been scoured out by meteor that cut a deep scar into the earth exposing the mineral deposits.
Great video. Thanks for all your work!
Great video.
I had no idea until today.
Thank you!
Take this with a grain of salt, I’m not sure how accurate this is but I read an article years back that stated researchers had estimated, based on how much a person could possibly mine by hand in a day and the amount of material that was missing and had been mined from the earth in the ancient Michigan copper mines it would have taken 1000 men around 10,000 years to move that amount of material. I also saw the articles about the copper found in ancient shipwreck offshore of Turkey and find it all incredibly interesting. The copper in Michigan is actually considered some of the finest copper found on earth and has certain characteristics that are only found in Michigan copper which can be used to identify artifacts made from Michigan copper.
If I remember correctly it has a certain percentage of silver ore but its been a good while (around 15 years) since I read it so not positive about that point. Great vid ✌️🙂👍
You remember correctly.
@@reefsroost696 about the silver?
@Paul Revere1776 Giants ................
You are spot on with your points. My research suggests that Isle Royale copper is more prolific than that mined on the Keweenaw. Also, that possibly less than 15% of available copper was ever mined - change in NY/NJ financing and federalization of railroads wiped out the northern michigan copper mining industry.
I read that same article about the mining in the upper midwest! I've been curious about the statics ever since! It also said many tons of iron from the iron range in northern MN is missing as well and the same ratio for those missing tons would take a miner hundreds and hundreds of thousands of thousands of years.
If they admit to 4500 years ago you can bet it goes back at least 3 times longer than that. The fact they find that copper in so many places in old items proves, to me, that the trading of those goods was done my more advanced groups
they found areas where they were smelting that are dated 6,000 years old.
Great content Chuck. Thanks.
Amazing video, it seems that copper was the plastic of the time. Thank you and be safe friend.
Going to view a Spiro Mound assemblage next week. Plenty of Great Lakes copper. Thanks for your timely video.
Very interesting. Thank you
Thanks for the videos.
Very cool story love the mounds and artifacts
Thank you so much for this video and all the effort you have been putting in. There are so many questions I have about life that still remain unanswered period at 67 is nice to get a little bit more information
Fun fact. Most bodies in military graves from the turn of the last century have much higher than normal levels of copper in them...
Thanks as always. These copper mines have been written about and documented so totally legit yet confounding, fascinating.
There are legends of the Iroquois and their secret silver mine in my region of upstate NY.
Great stuff
I did not know indigenous Americans mastered metallurgy. I've never heard of them having metal tipped spears or tools
Of interest is the fact that Lake Superior region Copper made its way to the Mediterranean region. Found in ship wrecks at the bottom of the Mediterranean dating back 3000+ years ago.
Check out the semi recently found Uluburun shipwreck.
Amazing! Twenty feet into bedrock is an impressive feat regardless of the day in age. I live in Northern California in The Sierra Nevada Mountains and, like a lot of folks here in The Gold Country I do a bit of prospecting. I have been detecting a lot throughout this Covid mess and when I come across a site from even the 1800’s it’s enough to excite me and make my imagination run wild. Something from 6,500 years ago is magnificent, it really provokes a feeling of nostalgia for some strange reason, and I feel like Humanity’s story is a lot more interesting than we’ll ever know.
These videos are great, Chuck. I love to learn about Ancient History and you’ve got your finger on the pulse. Without this resource I’d be missing out on so much. Cheers!
20 meters, 60 feet.
Aside from the Etowa Mounds, the Ocmulgee Mounds in Macon, Georgia has a display that shows that the chief wore a Puma skin as a robe with the skin of the head over his head and the rest as a cape. But then he had the mandible covered with copper and wore it as a crown. He used this dress on the vernal equinox as he sat inside of the only kiva East of the Mississippi River and his position was directly in line with the opening which aligned with the sun rise so that the first rays touched him. Each person than sat radially in both directions on both sides of him in descending order of their rank in the tribe. The settlement was supposed to be approximately 13,000 people at its peak and it was the capital for the Creek Nation while Etowa was the capital for the Cherokee Nation. Both Tribes disliked each other and their is a legend of a battle after a Cherokee Chef caught up with his daughter who had eloped with the son of the Creek Chief. The Creek Prince was thrown to his death and the Cherokee Princes jumped to her death. When the Creek Chief found out about his sons death, war was declared and a great battle took place where the young lovers died and it is said that they fought from sun up until sun set and around 10,000 warriors died and the streams ran red with blood for days giving the mountain it’s name until today. Blood Mountain, one of the first mountains that you cross as you walk the Appalachian Trail to Mount Cadillac, Main.
The old professor
Live free or die!
Death to all tyrants!
The truth will stand when the earth falls!
No Crap.
Wow. This copper site is amazing. I have never heard anything about these artifacts. !:- )
Missed your videos....not sure why they stopped but...now back.......and you have a very nice day
6000 years before present, the Great Lakes potentially drained through Lake Nipissing and the Ottawa River-completely bypassing the Niagara Escarpment. No portage may have been needed to go from Atlantic to interior.
That is exactly how they did it!
Great video Chuck, thanks for posting. BTW..the new microphone sounds WAY better.
Intriguing thumbnail! I'm fascinated by manual mining- I'd love to find a vein of a precious metal.
Thanks for sharing, Chuck!
Love the history! Thanks Chuck!
So well done thank you
Call me an ignorant Brit, but I hadn't realised Native Americans were interested in copper, from many of the older "settler" era descriptions I can't remember any describing copper tools and jewellery (I'm probably wrong but...).
I find that fascinating, because what people wouldn't want cutting edge technology and beautiful polished copper adornments, so if they had them surely in any ceremonial occasion they would have been displayed. Did they lose the technology and barter/trade the copper? You'd assume it was like visiting Granny, and she always got her best chinaware out for the occasion.
What do the First Nations people's histories say? Their ancestors knowledge of this period, and the history of the land is generally far better than ours.
I had heard it said that it was calculated there had been a sizable weight of copper ore mined from that area, far more than we can account for, given population sizes and methods of transportation and destinations to trade with back then.
I don't know how good that information is as I got it watching one of those documentaries about the red haired race of giants. I wished I had a time machine...
Great upload, thank you and keep up the excellent work.
It exhibits characteristics of a glacier during the Ice age, the grooves are the marks made by ice and stone moving over the area.
Glacieral Kame Culture wonderland.
All I'm seeing lately is about a climate event 5,200 - 5,100years ago. This site coming to an abrupt end is another site tied into this time. Thanks Chuck for all you do , great work, much appreciated.
Another great video.
Keep them coming.
A few years ago I read an article that said that many of the copper artifacts found in the middle east and southern Anatolia dating between 4000 and 6000 years ago, were an exact match, both chemically and compositionally to samples of the copper deposits at Isle Royale. I can't find that article anymore and when I dug deeper I found that there were several other articles written on that same subject but cannot find any of them either!
sounds like pseudoarchaeology
In the Minoan civilization, on Crete. Yes it is true. Not pseudoarchaelogy. Even the name of the copper mines in Lake Superior says it. Connect the dots !
I've become aware of several copper celts in the archeological record having been found in Iowa. I know of at least one spear point and a knife blade as well. A few sources I have feature these artifacts. Fascinating information.
Thank you for covering this. It's been ony visit list for awhile now
WOW .. love the vids keep them coming! I just hope that because its a National Historic Land Mark ... NO Company can move in and open it up again ..
Me too
Been hoping you would do a video on this.
Really mine copper for spear tips. They way we disrespect our ancestors is mind blowing
I think the anomaly in the Water is a Prehistoric Fish Weir, likely constructed in lower water long submerged. Lake Couchiching in Ojibway Lands has remains and are said to be among the Oldest man made construction. It is a UNESCO Site now, I believe.
Fascinating Video. Thank You
Wonder why it has that little cut, or trail, on the north side pointing right at the Sleeping Giant, Nanabijou?
Great Video
Thanks'
Fascinating in every aspect. Ships, fair-haired giants, out of place medicinal plants, Michigan copper in England. Yes, it's true.
Supposedly on America UnEarthed with Scott Vaulter . He tested the Copper from the GL's region and said it was actually the copper that was responsible for most of the Bronze Age
I watched that episode, and he used a really sleazy slight of hand to trick the audience. He used bulk chemical analysis, which only tests how much copper is in the artifact compared to other trace elements. the whole point of smelting is to artificially refine poor quality copper ore into homogenous copper, so of COURSE the bulk chemical analysis made them look similar. to source copper, you have to use isotope ratio analysis, which has shown several times that the copper in the Mediterranean was being mined and processed in places like Cyprus.
I remember the "In Search Of" episode with leonard Nimoy coving this. I thought there was a carbon dated tree used as a ceiling brace from 8,000 11,000 years ago.
Yes. It was holding up a massive chunk of copper that was too big for the copper cultures to work with. And then there was tools left everywhere, like a day of work was interrupted and no one ever returned.
@@Minong_Manitou_Mishepeshu I remember more now that you refreshed my memory. Thank you.
Probably right around when the asteroid hit somehwre if i had to guess id say in the Minnesota region melting a huge portion of the ice flooding basically all of north America.
Watch Randal Carlson Joe rogan podcast went into amazing detail on the disaster that wiped out the mega fauna 12,000 yrs ago.
@@anthonyhewitt9397 could listen to Randal all day.
The at 11:29 is the strongest argument for Bronze age copper trade across the Atlantic that I have ever seen. There are no known Native American Indian cultures that were known to use sails on their water craft. And that ship looks remarkably like a Phoenician trader's ship
100% agreed.
I'm planning on doing a big expedition throughout southern Ontario at various sites so I will definitely add this to the list!!
Man I'm from downriver Detroit area and never in my 39yrs have I ever been to the UP. Would love to go this summer
Do it!
@@paveldatsyuk7175 is it awesome or what? Like a whole nother place
@@ryan8430 Iam pretty biased but I love it haha. Come spend some money and enjoy the Busch light and view !
@@paveldatsyuk7175 bruh Bush Light that's kinda fancy man too rich for my blood
@@paveldatsyuk7175 do u live there all yr?
These time lines .. I gotta get me one of these time machine too
The purity matches that also from The European Bronze age,and finding it in weapons and silverware from Phoenicians
@Paul Revere1776 the natives mined the copper in the same way the Inca built all of those megalithic sites.
Excellent Video
There are Copper Mines in Vermont.
There's also stories about a very old mine ( as opposed to the late 19th century an early 20th century one's) in Union Village Vermont. May work with the Copper found in a ship in Europe, that was mentioned in your video.
Thank You
R. Everett Fadden
I will suggest that if you are interested in this watching a presentation given by Dr David Pompeani here on you tube. He covers many interesting things about the island’s history (lake levels, settlement, possible harbors,etc) as well he explains how the dating was done from the lake bed settlements. It was a great lecture!😊
Isle Royale was created by glacier action, as was Michigan and the Great Lakes
Says who? the MSM narrative?
@@Gimmesoup88 Thats hilarious!
Isle Royale and its geologic twin the Keweenaw where there before the glaciers. The glaciers just scrapped them up and exposed the copper brought up from far below. Its rock is some of, if not THE, oldest exposed rock in the world.
there is lots of rock piles mound in quebec ,, and a lots of inside story,myth and weird places.. there is a regions that is forgotten , full of mines and small grotto.
The amount of organization to accomplish the mining and trade is not possible with our current understanding of the people of the area. That copper didn’t walk it’s way throughout the continent. It’s just more evidence we don’t have any idea what things were like. Good video
Great info. Not sure if this is significant but there is a large tribe of Ojibwe indians in Sawyer county Wisconsin as well as a town one county west of Sawyer called Washburn county. In Washburn county there is a town called Minong. It is pronounced My nong. If you go to that town of Minong, and pronounce it wrong, the locals will instantly know you are an outsider and won't give you any info...about anything. It's also where the corporate headquarters is located for Jack Link's beef jerky. I know because I lived there for 6 years. There are two cooper mines just north of Minong in the town of Gordon real close to the Ounce river. I have a native friend who has shown it to me. Very cool place geology wise.
Very, very interesting. Particularly the connections apparent to European cultures. I think it is high=time the history of this continent was rewritten.
Agreed.
we need to remove the "native american" prohibitions that stand in the way of proper scientific archeology.
Great subject Chuck ... awesome...have Always wondered about the “michigan copper” ... ???
I’ve heard in some historical accounts - that europeans n monguls even came to pilfer “Michigan copper” ...as well as supplying all of americas....must have been lots n lots of it ....