I was a Zamboni driver for the city of Markham, I've told Paul to settle down many times, learned his name fairly quickly ,this is when Mitch was a kid . Guys a nutcase .
It's not an uncommon thing... where elite athletes have intense, uncompromising parents. But it is up to the athletes when they become old to put in some boundaries. That said, it can be difficult to do when you're a millionaire... everyone wants a piece of you and your parents are often the only people you can truth to not exploit you.
Can people just stop making death threats? Seriously, if you get so upset at watching something that you feel you need to make death threats or hit someone then you shouldn't watch.
Same security guy came at me back in May or June of this year bright and early on a Sunday morning. I commented on a post about his contract expectations “makes sense this guy is all about the money” and he went off on me about being fat, a nobody, I wish I was him (security guy, not Marner) I asked him repeatedly how this behavior helps Marner. And it was met with more and more insults. Bragged about him hanging out with celebrities, and asked if I hate max Domi now. Because he works with him too. He’s a really messed up clown, and the NHL should be looking into him.
Matthews looked pretty unhappy he was gone. Everyone we replaced marner with, would be a 4th liner on Florida. The wasent the problem, Kyle Dubas built trash teams
Wendel Clark, Doug Gilmour, Darryl Sittler, Borje Salming are icons in Toronto, and never won a cup...why? Because they bled blue and white and left everything out there on the ice!!! Very simple, we can't say the same for Marner. He is not a leader or a winner.
I met Wendel Clark and Rick Vaive at a charity hockey tournament in Waterloo, last year. Super nice guys who took some time to chat and a photo. I could care less about Marner. 👎
0:35 Thanks. As a non-leaf fan. Listening to just Mitch and his agent I was beginning to think a thing or two about the Maple Leafs Org. 😂😂 Of course, that's a strategic retelling from their perspective, and I think many people understand that. Plus, every fandom has crazies.
After he was drafted by the Leafs and while he was still in the OHL I went to see the Knights play in Mississauga. And Marner basically did whatever the hell he wanted. Dale Hunter (coach) let him run his own ice time the entire game. When Marner wanted to jump on he would call the right winger on the ice to the bench and hop on. And his shift ended when he decided. I watched him stay out for an entire 4 minute high sticking penalty when the Knights had the PP while other forwards changed multiple times. In the 3rd period a Steelhead player high sticked Marner and knocked his helmet off. A penalty was called. But not one Knights player came to Marner's aid. They all just watched. I came away from that game very unimpressed with the guy and it seemed his teammates were not crazy about him. We all know "the code" when it comes to star players....you can't touch them without starting a war. That's not how his teammates reacted at all. It made me wonder what the younger guys on the Knights must have thought about this situation....a star player yes....but with one set of rules for him and which did not apply to any of the other players. The sense of entitlement was there already in Junior hockey. He brought it with him into the NHL. I can imagine his dad haranguing Dale Hunter relentlessly about ice time and who knows what other team rules.....and Hunter throwing his hands up and saying "fine do the hell whatever you want but if you don't produce I'll trade you to Saginaw". And there it is....he's always been a whiny little prima donna. I saw it myself and nothing that happened in his time as a Leaf came as a surprise to me. I am betting that Mark Hunter (Leaf scout) drafted Mitch on the recommendation of his brother due to the talent and with the thought that Mike Babcock would bring him down to earth with a smack down. The war was on from day 1 of his Leaf career....I am surmising. All the trouble with Babcock was him trying to lay down the law to Mitch and it not working. That's my take. Babcock didn't even want him and I think with good reason. He'd seen the Marner show no doubt and heard the stories. So there it is.
I agree with Steve on this one , he could have just said he needed a change of scenery and fresh start , getting paid a lot on a good team...instead he does this song and dance that he's morally outraged at fandom.
After a quiet summer, when most fans had come to terms with him being gone and generally had moved on, Mitch and his agent just couldn't help themselves to pick another fight with Leaf fans. I didn't think I could possibly hate this guy more than I did at the end of June, but here we are.
The problem I have with Mitch Marner, not being a Leaf fan is he’s keeping the drama going. Then wants to act like a victim. Talking about the pressure in Toronto, and how he was car jacked, making Toronto “unsafe” for his family. Bro you have MILLIONS!!! Like be serious. You’re MOVING into Mob city, notorious for CRIME AND SCANDALS!! How is the family safe?. Anyways there’s my rant. It’s just an “Toronto grown” boy becoming a family man.
His camp pissed me off during the first negotiations I was ready for him to sign in Columbus and get rid of the circus, and when he left this summer I was hoping to never hear from this again yet here we are, great player, but just too much drama attached.
Interesting that Ferris thinks they players were reacting to what they heard. I was reacting to what I saw, 0s when it came to playoff performance and that’s exactly what Vegas is going to get. All the stupid fan stuff should never have happened but he deserves the on ice criticisms that he received. Glad he’s gone time for change.
Nylander has been coddled his whole career, and has not produced like he should, he plays against SECOND or third lines..we will see how good he is if he plays against top lines. Nylander should thank Marner for allowing him to float. Nylander yelling was the last straw.
Thank you 🙏 Marner and his camp can try and manipulate the story as much as they want but they are the reason things didn’t go the way Marner wanted. He has no one to blame but himself. All this is so telling the true “character” of Marner and his representatives
@epidermiuss Almost as toxic as Mitch Marner, but that dude is from Toronto so you do agree its his fault correct? Mitch is a life long Leafs fan so YOU are the one sayin he is toxic here. OOOPPPS, DID I JUST EMBARASS YOU WITH LOGIC? You admit you agree that Mitch was the toxic one...since he is the life long Leafs fan FROM TORONTO and you said they are toxic. Hilarious when someone has not clue what they are saying and end up arguing the opposite without even knowing it...until its pointed out. Thank you for this.
Just glad the Darren Ferris circus is no longer part of TML. There’s a difference between fans and hooligans. I can’t understand how people are unable to differentiate between the two.
@tinytrucktherapy 100% he does. I've literally called some of them out, and they don't deny it. He has a social media trolls working for his players PR online. But it's too obvious which makes fans just hate them. And I think it originally came from the Marner camp! Most toxic person to ever put on skates.
@MikeGates2010 Here's the real facts about Marner in terms of hockey he shuts down in the playoffs doesn't shine like he does in Regular Season unfortunately which his fans' exspectations are very high ultimately and demandingly to the point of going to his home plastering his address online backed with threats where Marner had to hire Security for two weeks afraid of being violated criminally by them and their physical kind.. Marner just wanted to open another door to bail out of Toronto sick of the fans' threats and verbal abuse. However Marner & his wife made the decision to go to Vegas while Marner signed the dotted line to the Vegas 9 year contract or 8 somewhere in the neighborhood of that contractual agreement and I wish him the best of luck as well for his family maybe they might have a number two child in 2026/27.. As a Leaf fan I loved Marner he was an incredible player on Toronto but he needed to turn over some new rocks to see what would come crawling out to the light which in hopes for him getting a Stanely Cup and I hope he damn well gets one transitioning into a more physical and defense play guy giving him that full 360 jump turn around to his ultimate goal snagging his first NHL Lord Stanely.. Good luck Marner I hope u get at least one NHL Cup b4 ur retired my friend.. Oh and regards to those clinically crazy fans of Marner just let go while being more civilized acting ur age not ur show size for once.
Actually, fans and the media in MTl have been vicious at times with Price, you can even find a clip of him tearing up while getting an ovation at the Bell Center because he had been criticized non stop for months. However, it never happened during or after the playoffs, he was the first to blame himself when he was the reason the team went so far in the playoffs, every time.
To set the record straight: there’s no public evidence (screenshots, posts, receipts) of Mitch Marner’s home address being leaked online. After that, a lot of speculation circulated online, including claims about his address being “posted” but nothing has ever been verified or published by credible outlets. If there had been an actual public doxxing, you’re right the media would at least acknowledge it (with redactions) to substantiate the claim. Since they haven’t, it strongly suggests it was rumor rather than fact.
Marner also likes to slant the car jacking as he was car jacked because of who he is not - he was driving one of the most targeted cars in the GTA for theft and he was just a random hit
It’s such an interesting contrast to me between Marner and Sheldon Keefe, who REALLY took the brunt of the blame and got major threats, but who chose to still live in the Toronto metro after he started coaching in Jersey. He rents a place in Jersey and his family stayed in Toronto, because he said that’s their home (especially with his kids’ ages and place in life). He is clearly still very close with a lot of Toronto people, including media, despite them letting him go. He managed to do it all very, very well. (Now, I will say, as a Devils fan, I am rooting for him to win a cup with us before the Leafs, and maaaaybe some of that is some anti-Leafs-fan shadenfreude, but it’s mostly just that he’s our coach now.)
As a complete outsider I can kinda see how Marner looks at Vegas and loves it, because if he goes to the strip nobody would recognize him or even care that it is him. On the other way in Toronto it seems that every single person knows him and wants to talk to him in a positive or negative way there which could be amazingly bothering especially if the fans are that crazy they would leak his home.
Not really, man. Nylander takes the subway to games and I see him everywhere in Yorkville. People leave him alone, and if they don't, it's to yell "hey Willie". I worked at a restaurant near the arena and every Toronto athlete you can think of stopped by and they were always left alone. The fans suck is just code for "in other markets, the media doesn't care if I fail". Total loser attitude and we saw how ROR fared in the anonymity of Nashville last season.
Makes me feel like the address release was a setup by mariners management. Just how he terribly sells it. Just because it happened doesn’t mean his team didn’t have a finger in it.
After seeing the way Darren Ferris managed Mitch Marner, there is no way that I would employ this guy as an agent if I were coming up. He didn't help the way Marner was perceived by the fan base at all. Very poorly done.
TBH, I think the biggest problem for Marner, what got him off on the wrong foot from the start, was his dad, not his agent. It was stupid to bring up Willy getting sponsorships though, like... ya, you left, of course people are gonna try to go after the local sponsorships.
The security guy's threat to cut of Dangle's access is interesting and alarming. It indicates a fundamental problem in the "Marner camp", when it comes to relations with fans and media. The "Marner camp" seems to believe they can control what is being said about this particular player, and that is probably the root of the problem.
@emp6325 its called the Nocebo effect lol. like the opposite of the placebo effect: if you expect something to harm you, your body and mind reacts as if it really did.. literally a manifestation. Lol
I’be been over this bum for 3 years yet I still gotta hear about him even after he left. There’s nothing new here. He was fed up and people took it too far. MOVING ON IN LIFE
His agent and team fucked him. If he would have taken the 8 million dollar contract first time around he wouldn't have had the pressure on him he did. Instead they pushed for the 10.93 mil or what ever it was, because they were butthurt Matthew's got a big deal. That said, it's still a game we watch for entertainment and to take it to the levels some do is crazy.
@longliverocknroll5 every convo I’ve for the last couple years has been ready for him to leave. Some people think he is a POS but most just think he isn’t a playoff performer and the money will be spent better
The pressure when playing for Real Madrid, Roma, Barcelona, Man U ect is probably worse. Toronto is a cake walk. Also doing a interview after about this all is silly.
The frustration with Marner goes way beyond just his on-ice playoff numbers. Fans can live with a player underperforming if they own it and show a bit of accountability. What rubs people the wrong way with Marner is the combination of disappointing playoff production plus the perception of entitlement, excuse-making, and deflecting responsibility. Not once have I ever watched a Marner interview and come away with the feeling that he took any accountability. And the whole “I didn’t feel safe here for two years” comment without ever requesting a trade feels contradictory, and it plays into the narrative that he leans on dramatics when things get tough instead of just saying “I need to be better”. MLSE actually did an investigation into those supposed threats and didn’t find anything. "The Leafs investigated the threats against Marner. At the time, they determined that the forward did not need more security. Instead, the team felt like the threats were empty, and a response was not necessary." Never asking for a trade makes it feel like he was lying, or at best exaggerating, to save face. Add in the stories about his dad’s heavy involvement, the media games during contract talks, and his security guard being aggressive online, and it all fuels the sense that he lives in a bubble and doesn’t really connect with the fanbase.
“Perception” as in a narrative almost entirely invented by fanbois based on media, a media that has consistently done anything it could to toss at least one star under the bus for no reason. Gonna be fun seeing you all turn on Nylander (again) and watch him walk and all you guys crying “it’s about the perception of entitlement” 😂😂😂
Also, “i don’t feel safe” combined with “my PREGNANT WIFE needs to stay here for the sake of both the health of her and our baby” aren’t contradictory statements at all. Just say “I think he’s a wimp and death threats are something players need to endure”.
No matter the situation, sending death threats to an athlete is absolutely bonkers. Like, don't you have anything else to do in your life? I just can't understand the mindset.
exactly and any reasonable person would conclude the small minority of crazy people sending death threats are not worth your time to think about and if your a millionaire tell your security to be extra on guard tonight as if they were not already
Huh? DO you follow sports? Is this your first time on the internet? Have you ever heard of soccer? FFS I got a death threat for an Etsy listing. Grow up.
Death threats in sports are as old as time. Go see the kind of letters Roger Maris received in 1961 when he was closing in on Babe Ruth’s HR record - and that was for Maris having a historic season! This is 1961, black and white tvs, no social media, etc etc
you are literally crashing out, this podcast bit is crashing out and the 55 times they talked about it since he decided to leave is crashing out. You are all just as salty as he is.
If a Leafs ticket cost as much as a movie ticket, Marner could get away with going on vacation after the regular season. When a Leafs ticket costs as much as a couple months of mortgage payments, the stakes and emotions are a little higher.
I personally think Mitch just wanted to leave a long time ago. His mind was made up. It showed in his performance on the ice. He was simply not "there" It has nothing to do with the fans and I'm tired of them blaming the fans. Nylander takes the TTC so it's not a fan issue. Sure, there are bad apples with the fans, but these bad apples do not represent all of the fans. It was not just Mitch who failed. The whole team failed. A change had to be made. The mix was not working. Great player, but we have to move on.
Both Marner and Ferris are full of it. There was no reason for any of this after the fact. Opinions of this player were set long ago, and it just shows how out of touch with the real underlying issues Marner and his group have always been. Mitch claiming that this came down to some inexcusable actions by fans after this year's loss to the Cats is beyond desperate, especially when news came out that he had already decided to leave over a year ago, that he and his family were shopping for homes in Vegas at a short break in the season, plus several hints from players and insiders throughout the year. Mitch's father was attacked because he was known throughout Ontario to be the epitome of an overbearing hockey dad, and that continued when he became the father of a prominent Maple Leaf. He routinely made critical comments about other players in support of his son until someone finally convinced him to button it. Mitch's Mom allegedly had already earned a reputation for being condescending to the mothers of other Leaf players, and it supposedly came to a boil on an early Mom's trip. Ferris' methods of campaigning for his client hurt the bargaining power of other Leafs and the roster construction of the team. On and on, but these two clowns always blamed the team and the fans. The majority of fans have wanted to move on longer than Mitch, despite his prodigious talent.
@johnsummerhill8323 Never, but there are always toxic fans in every market. The Marner camp tried to frame Toronto as something unusual, and it is not.
Darren Ferris is an utter embarrassment; what he and Marner's camp/family have done to him and how he's perceived and how he takes things is a travesty. If they ever need to wonder why people don't talk about other players like they do Marner, they only need to look in the mirror.
That same “security person” has been bullying & harassing people online for calling out Mitch Marner. Even something as harmless as calling him a “whiny brat” WHICH HE IS … will make that lowlife threaten you “I’m your worst nightmare” Block & report them. Numerous examples online.
As a habs fans I am LOVING how salty leaf fans are. They can't just not hate on someone on their team or even the whole team. I mean just read the comments on anything marner or matthews or willy related and you only find hate 😅 you guys are the reason players want to leave.(not sdp crew, the fans that never celebrate but always make sure to spread hate when they are pissed). After Toronto had an amazing season in the nhl and also MLB, they literally get booed off the field as soon as they play a bad game or a player has a bad game (Vladdy in the last couple of games of regular season). It is INSANE how near sighted toronto fans are
When Ferris says, "Not all Leaf fans are the problem" he's referring to the dumb and gullible ones that still think Mitch is a good guy who was treated poorly by the team and the fans. This PR stunt is blowing up in their faces, and I love to see it.
@FalloutUrMum He was poorly treated by some nameless, faceless trolls online who no sensible hockey fan would ever claim as part of Leafs Nation. Newsflash: doesn't matter where you go, people like that are always going to exist.
@dmd434 Mitch Marner is the fifth highest scoring leaf all time. In over 100 years only 4 leafs have more points, imagine if he was actually in control lmao.
Honestly guys if you were an NHL player and played for your home city. Even if you were dominate in the regular season, one of the best in the leagues and then consistently took a step back in the playoffs like Mitch has.. would you really WANT to put up with constant criticism and disdain and the whole fanbase thinking they don’t need you and you’re a reason why you’re losing games? Or would you prefer to not have that noise there? I don’t think nearly anybody would willing choose criticism if all else was equal. Fairly. Now is Marners camp spinning this to make him look like an angel and the fanbase hating on him to look like the only real reason he left? Definitely seems like it. I don’t blame him, but I agree. There’s no need for his camp to be out here saying all these things. Just let it go. You’re already in a new city on a new team. Let your success prove you made the right decision here
This didn’t happen to Tavares, Matthews, or Nylander. Nylander literally takes the subway to games without any issues, for goodness’ sake. This is a Marner problem-he’s lost favour with Leafs fans in a big way. I can’t recall another elite local player facing this kind of backlash.
And the organisation let it happen. Also, Nylander absolutely received hate for years lmao. What are you smoking? Just because it didn’t escalate to the point at which the team failed to make him and his family feel safe doesn’t mean he didn’t get incredible amounts of bs.
@longliverocknroll5 you are so full of crap. Nylander may have taken crap as has ANY other player thats played here. But leaking an address and death threats is a whole other level and arses like you who just love to crap on leafs and their fans are just going to town on this. GTFO with your BS.
I don't think it's fair to say that since Tavares, Matthews, and Nylander didn't have trash thrown on their front lawn and get doxxed and deal with threats to their families that the problem must just be with Marner. Toronto needs to have a meaningful conversation about the tiny amount of their "fans" who are clearly going way too far. Blaming players for the actions of fans who are just plain wrong isn't right. We should all be agreeing right now that there is *never* a case where it's ok to doxx players, threaten their families, or go to their frickin houses. It's just not ok, and even the worst players shouldn't be having that happen to them. Even Matt Cooke didn't deserve to have people show up at his house.
16:50 Reminds me of when the Wild traded Granny while his wife was in labor in 2016. I thought that was such a dick move by the organization. The problem was it being a deadline trade so they couldn't wiggle the timing if they were deadset on the trade.
Toxic media using scripts providing talking points from a toxic team management to target certain players to weaken their negotiations or use their smooth brained toxic fan base to run them out of town. There’s a reason why no stars in their prime EVER want to come to this vortex of fail of an organization. Good luck in the playoffs, Mitch! You’re in a far better place now.
1 - I am glad MM is gone. He will never be a key cog of a cup champ. The Leafs are better without him. 2 - Ferris lies. He never had a chance to leave for more money. MM was restricted until this year.
28:20 is why I will never forgive Mitch, leave in peace, collect your cheque. Going out of your way to do all that months after you left the team is low.
I get that there can be angry fans, but you simply don't get to complain about it when your getting paid such a stupid amount of money that you simply don't deserve, If your a surgeon saving lives get back to me, but more money a year than other normal person will make doing real work there whole lives is just disgusting
Matthews and Nylander criticized mitch for wanting to win while they took days off in the playoffs...to not be toxic to that is nuts. Leafs media killed the wrong guy again
@brandonflooren5373 are you the security guard that threatened Steve Dangle's broadcasting career for something he didn't even say? Or just a Paul Marner-troll? Or do you work for Mitch's media team through Farris? You want to talk about toxic? YT doesn't allow me to write msgs long enough to cover all of Marner's toxicity. The absolute disgust from the fan base and media alike is rightfully so! Most toxic player in league history! Vegas will be upset by his contract while we sit back and say "I told you so".
The only thing I learned here is Marner lives rent free is Leaf Fan's head. The hate is so over the top, there's no way they aren't constantly thinking about him. This comment section is evidence of that. If you really didn't care, you'd be indifferent. When you hate, it's because you actually DO care positively or negatively. He's gone now, it doesn't matter. I think Marner is completely correct. I think the fans are correct. Both things can be completely true. At the end of the day, however, it was the Front Office that created this situation. They mismanaged their cap. They then constructed a weak team around a front loaded core and then the team lost. Over and over and over. People complaining about Marner's performance is funny... because AM34 has 0.86 PPG in the playoffs. Marner was 0.90. But sure... Marner is the problem. The basic truth, we kept 75% of a core that couldn't win and all underperformed. Marner was a convenient scapegoat. I can predict this season: We lose in the first round because literally nothing was changed. We just log a good regular season player. Which might sound like nothing... but then you realize that you need to make the playoffs before winning them.
I’m writing this as a habs fan. Ultimately there are three parties all at fault here. Marner didnt play up to the standards he set for himself in regular season and with his contract. The fans are also at fault. I think as fans we are always harder on local players than others. Habs fan did it to Richer and Brisebois. I havent heard the same level of critisism for matthews who was just as invisible as marner in the playoffs. And the third party involved was the team. From babcock playing mindgames with him, the team overly sticking to a plan that wasnt working (core 4) and not changing coach earlier… this breakup was written in the stars and gets worse because it happened a couple years too late
Also Dubas wanted to trade Marner but Shanahan fired him and wanted to keep them together and Dubas gave them way too much money and there was a ego problem and Marner had multiple chances to score a wide open net but chose to pass instead and Marner doing those spinorama no look passes and Marner and Matthews passing the puck back and forth you shoot no you shoot no you shoot no you shoot before you know it was too late to shoot and Marner would pick and choose when to be good and not to be good.
Fair take, but even in a situation where all parties are at fault, the PARTY with the most fault was Mitch and his camp. ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS TO "ACKNOWLEDGE THAT".
Marner should be an afterthought. That west is gonna ride him every game, Head in to the boards glove in his face. If he able to put up 50 pts i will be shocked. Vegas plays a different. He is gonna struggle miserably. That stupid organization and him deserve each other
At the end of it all we all need to move on. Don’t even acknowledge marner when seen again. Don’t boo, don’t cheer. Let the jumbotron thank him because they will, sit silently and then cheer this current team on and let Mitch do what he wants in Vegas
All he needs to say is: "One day, years from now, I hope to be able to have a beer with Leafs fans", and he will earn so much respect. Instead he continues to have little social skills and uses his power/influence in the most ridiculous way. Wild stuff
He’s a kid who had a kid. Time to grow up. He did this to himself by that first contract hold out. If he would have took a fair deal. He would have been Loved. Also his dad Going on the tv show didn’t help him either.
Marner is extremely talented, but holy hell man, you are beyond entitled. And the worst part is, it isnt even Marners fault, his dad seems like an absolute psycho.
"Stop crying bro" - Willy Nylander
“Just let us send you death threats bro” - BozaiBadger
In the meantime, Nylander skips 3 of the 7 playoff games against the Bruins.
@johnsummerhill8323ok paul
@johnsummerhill8323 he was injured
@cndnclassics5874So was Marner but he played all 7 games.
I was a Zamboni driver for the city of Markham, I've told Paul to settle down many times, learned his name fairly quickly ,this is when Mitch was a kid . Guys a nutcase .
Paul who?
lol
It's not an uncommon thing... where elite athletes have intense, uncompromising parents. But it is up to the athletes when they become old to put in some boundaries. That said, it can be difficult to do when you're a millionaire... everyone wants a piece of you and your parents are often the only people you can truth to not exploit you.
His father (Paul?) left Mitch at the rink after a game when his son played poorly.
I just keep hearing a variation of the Cheers theme, “You wanna go where nobody knows your name” Bye Felicia!
Can people just stop making death threats? Seriously, if you get so upset at watching something that you feel you need to make death threats or hit someone then you shouldn't watch.
The kid was 11 years old, police traced it.
@tinytrucktherapy An 11 year-old who lost every single penny from his piggybank by gambling on the Leafs.
Same security guy came at me back in May or June of this year bright and early on a Sunday morning. I commented on a post about his contract expectations “makes sense this guy is all about the money” and he went off on me about being fat, a nobody, I wish I was him (security guy, not Marner) I asked him repeatedly how this behavior helps Marner. And it was met with more and more insults. Bragged about him hanging out with celebrities, and asked if I hate max Domi now. Because he works with him too.
He’s a really messed up clown, and the NHL should be looking into him.
Imagine having to deal with all you dweebs armchair experts.
How is your team doing. Any better?
Looking into him for what ?
Tie Domi just seems like a guy who would know a guy who would know a guy.😂
The more I listen to leaf players talk about Marner leaving, the more I’m convinced they are glad he’s gone.
100%
Matthews looked pretty unhappy he was gone. Everyone we replaced marner with, would be a 4th liner on Florida. The wasent the problem, Kyle Dubas built trash teams
@pahul79Nah Mathews is happy
@06rtm Auston won't see close 60 without Mitch....and let's see how Willy does against first lines
@anthonylarson7919Willy has no trouble, plays them on and off already. Auston still has the best shot in the league.
Incredible strength, wow. Mitch Marner, victim, martyr, hero.
So stunning. So brave.
Vegas takes care of its players, until they want someone else and ruthlessly dump you to the highest bidder.
Yes, didn’t that just happen to the Knights Nic Hague, a Canadian player from Ontario..
That's what all teams do. Duh.
Man, why does this thumbnail make Mitch look like he's standing on the Death Star?
Because Emperor Palpatine is a fan and cozying up to athlete celebrities is good PR.
i think the people in vegas call it “the sphere”…?
Hahaha it does too!
It's Luke second visit to the Death Star, but this time he becomes a sith
Typical TML propaganda
Wendel Clark, Doug Gilmour, Darryl Sittler, Borje Salming are icons in Toronto, and never won a cup...why? Because they bled blue and white and left everything out there on the ice!!! Very simple, we can't say the same for Marner. He is not a leader or a winner.
Add and "h" to winner and you got something.
I met Wendel Clark and Rick Vaive at a charity hockey tournament in Waterloo, last year.
Super nice guys who took some time to chat and a photo.
I could care less about Marner. 👎
Ya don’t think we know where other Leafs icons lived? Fact, JT’s first home was close to Borje’s home. No one crying there.
If he was tired of the noise from the fans then why the hell would he come to Vegas? - a concerned vgk fan
TML get much more attention and toxicity
0:35 Thanks. As a non-leaf fan. Listening to just Mitch and his agent I was beginning to think a thing or two about the Maple Leafs Org. 😂😂 Of course, that's a strategic retelling from their perspective, and I think many people understand that. Plus, every fandom has crazies.
After he was drafted by the Leafs and while he was still in the OHL I went to see the Knights play in Mississauga. And Marner basically did whatever the hell he wanted. Dale Hunter (coach) let him run his own ice time the entire game. When Marner wanted to jump on he would call the right winger on the ice to the bench and hop on. And his shift ended when he decided. I watched him stay out for an entire 4 minute high sticking penalty when the Knights had the PP while other forwards changed multiple times. In the 3rd period a Steelhead player high sticked Marner and knocked his helmet off. A penalty was called. But not one Knights player came to Marner's aid. They all just watched. I came away from that game very unimpressed with the guy and it seemed his teammates were not crazy about him. We all know "the code" when it comes to star players....you can't touch them without starting a war. That's not how his teammates reacted at all. It made me wonder what the younger guys on the Knights must have thought about this situation....a star player yes....but with one set of rules for him and which did not apply to any of the other players. The sense of entitlement was there already in Junior hockey. He brought it with him into the NHL. I can imagine his dad haranguing Dale Hunter relentlessly about ice time and who knows what other team rules.....and Hunter throwing his hands up and saying "fine do the hell whatever you want but if you don't produce I'll trade you to Saginaw". And there it is....he's always been a whiny little prima donna. I saw it myself and nothing that happened in his time as a Leaf came as a surprise to me. I am betting that Mark Hunter (Leaf scout) drafted Mitch on the recommendation of his brother due to the talent and with the thought that Mike Babcock would bring him down to earth with a smack down. The war was on from day 1 of his Leaf career....I am surmising. All the trouble with Babcock was him trying to lay down the law to Mitch and it not working. That's my take. Babcock didn't even want him and I think with good reason. He'd seen the Marner show no doubt and heard the stories. So there it is.
Pezzetta going after Marner is going to hit harddddddddddddd!
Non-leaf fan but loving the podcast!
Can’t wait for regular vids again!!!!
Keep calling it what it is!!!!
16:54 here it is guys
I agree with Steve on this one , he could have just said he needed a change of scenery and fresh start , getting paid a lot on a good team...instead he does this song and dance that he's morally outraged at fandom.
The thumbnail looks like Marner is on the deathstar 😂
Video summary: TOR refused to make Marner a Grand Moff and VGK did. Hence the Marner/Death Star thumbnail.
Golden Knights are also the galactic empire of hockey teams
Mind blown!
After a quiet summer, when most fans had come to terms with him being gone and generally had moved on, Mitch and his agent just couldn't help themselves to pick another fight with Leaf fans. I didn't think I could possibly hate this guy more than I did at the end of June, but here we are.
The problem I have with Mitch Marner, not being a Leaf fan is he’s keeping the drama going. Then wants to act like a victim. Talking about the pressure in Toronto, and how he was car jacked, making Toronto “unsafe” for his family. Bro you have MILLIONS!!! Like be serious. You’re MOVING into Mob city, notorious for CRIME AND SCANDALS!! How is the family safe?. Anyways there’s my rant. It’s just an “Toronto grown” boy becoming a family man.
You surprised by this?
As a Flames fan I cannot stand the spoiled brat Marner so much so I will be cheering for Edmonton over Vegas come playoffs.
His camp pissed me off during the first negotiations I was ready for him to sign in Columbus and get rid of the circus, and when he left this summer I was hoping to never hear from this again yet here we are, great player, but just too much drama attached.
leaf fans are serious crybabies
That security guard guy has like early onset CTE I think
Interesting that Ferris thinks they players were reacting to what they heard. I was reacting to what I saw, 0s when it came to playoff performance and that’s exactly what Vegas is going to get. All the stupid fan stuff should never have happened but he deserves the on ice criticisms that he received. Glad he’s gone time for change.
Nylander shows up in the playoffs and embraces the TTC which touches the city even more. I would say that's endorsable.
Nylander has been coddled his whole career, and has not produced like he should, he plays against SECOND or third lines..we will see how good he is if he plays against top lines. Nylander should thank Marner for allowing him to float. Nylander yelling was the last straw.
Praying for Vegas/Toronto finals. We're going to tune him right up.
Thank you 🙏 Marner and his camp can try and manipulate the story as much as they want but they are the reason things didn’t go the way Marner wanted. He has no one to blame but himself. All this is so telling the true “character” of Marner and his representatives
naw leaf fans are toxic af
@epidermiussuse your brain lil guy
@SheWantsTheDekes look in the mirror
@epidermiuss Almost as toxic as Mitch Marner, but that dude is from Toronto so you do agree its his fault correct? Mitch is a life long Leafs fan so YOU are the one sayin he is toxic here. OOOPPPS, DID I JUST EMBARASS YOU WITH LOGIC? You admit you agree that Mitch was the toxic one...since he is the life long Leafs fan FROM TORONTO and you said they are toxic. Hilarious when someone has not clue what they are saying and end up arguing the opposite without even knowing it...until its pointed out. Thank you for this.
Exactly! Mitch dug his own "Grave" here. The self centered sensitive prick just CANNOT compute this.
Just glad the Darren Ferris circus is no longer part of TML. There’s a difference between fans and hooligans. I can’t understand how people are unable to differentiate between the two.
Paul Marner literally argues with ppl online using burner accounts. That's what this is about. Nothing else.
I've heard this, too. I also think the agent hires people for "reputation management"
@tinytrucktherapy 100% he does. I've literally called some of them out, and they don't deny it. He has a social media trolls working for his players PR online. But it's too obvious which makes fans just hate them. And I think it originally came from the Marner camp! Most toxic person to ever put on skates.
Between McLeod and Marner that “the real cost of hockey” news segment should have been called Entitlement Red Flags and How to Spot Them.
Carey price was loved in montreal, even when he had bad games. Why? Because he took responsibility and he was humble.
This is so true mitch has shown no accountability
@MikeGates2010 Here's the real facts about Marner in terms of hockey he shuts down in the playoffs doesn't shine like he does in Regular Season unfortunately which his fans' exspectations are very high ultimately and demandingly to the point of going to his home plastering his address online backed with threats where Marner had to hire Security for two weeks afraid of being violated criminally by them and their physical kind..
Marner just wanted to open another door to bail out of Toronto sick of the fans' threats and verbal abuse.
However Marner & his wife made the decision to go to Vegas while Marner signed the dotted line to the Vegas 9 year contract or 8 somewhere in the neighborhood of that contractual agreement and I wish him the best of luck as well for his family maybe they might have a number two child in 2026/27..
As a Leaf fan I loved Marner he was an incredible player on Toronto but he needed to turn over some new rocks to see what would come crawling out to the light which in hopes for him getting a Stanely Cup and I hope he damn well gets one transitioning into a more physical and defense play guy giving him that full 360 jump turn around to his ultimate goal snagging his first NHL Lord Stanely..
Good luck Marner I hope u get at least one NHL Cup b4 ur retired my friend.. Oh and regards to those clinically crazy fans of Marner just let go while being more civilized acting ur age not ur show size for once.
Actually, fans and the media in MTl have been vicious at times with Price, you can even find a clip of him tearing up while getting an ovation at the Bell Center because he had been criticized non stop for months.
However, it never happened during or after the playoffs, he was the first to blame himself when he was the reason the team went so far in the playoffs, every time.
...and vegas is a GREAT family environment.
Jesse made the most reasonable & coherent point 👏🏽 2019 contract was the point of demarcation.
💯
That was Adam, not Jesse.
To set the record straight: there’s no public evidence (screenshots, posts, receipts) of Mitch Marner’s home address being leaked online. After that, a lot of speculation circulated online, including claims about his address being “posted” but nothing has ever been verified or published by credible outlets. If there had been an actual public doxxing, you’re right the media would at least acknowledge it (with redactions) to substantiate the claim. Since they haven’t, it strongly suggests it was rumor rather than fact.
Did they film that interview on the Death Star? What's with the background?
Flyers catching strays for no reason lmao
Ferris has a considerable part in Leaf fans not liking Mitch.
Marner also likes to slant the car jacking as he was car jacked because of who he is not - he was driving one of the most targeted cars in the GTA for theft and he was just a random hit
Mitch can never stop own goaling himself. It's literally unreal.
People dislike Marner and his camp's antics. Meanwhile, Nylander is taking the subway amongst the people.
It’s such an interesting contrast to me between Marner and Sheldon Keefe, who REALLY took the brunt of the blame and got major threats, but who chose to still live in the Toronto metro after he started coaching in Jersey. He rents a place in Jersey and his family stayed in Toronto, because he said that’s their home (especially with his kids’ ages and place in life). He is clearly still very close with a lot of Toronto people, including media, despite them letting him go. He managed to do it all very, very well.
(Now, I will say, as a Devils fan, I am rooting for him to win a cup with us before the Leafs, and maaaaybe some of that is some anti-Leafs-fan shadenfreude, but it’s mostly just that he’s our coach now.)
How long ago did Mitch say he was like a God in Toronto?😂
As a complete outsider I can kinda see how Marner looks at Vegas and loves it, because if he goes to the strip nobody would recognize him or even care that it is him. On the other way in Toronto it seems that every single person knows him and wants to talk to him in a positive or negative way there which could be amazingly bothering especially if the fans are that crazy they would leak his home.
Not really, man. Nylander takes the subway to games and I see him everywhere in Yorkville. People leave him alone, and if they don't, it's to yell "hey Willie". I worked at a restaurant near the arena and every Toronto athlete you can think of stopped by and they were always left alone.
The fans suck is just code for "in other markets, the media doesn't care if I fail". Total loser attitude and we saw how ROR fared in the anonymity of Nashville last season.
Makes me feel like the address release was a setup by mariners management. Just how he terribly sells it. Just because it happened doesn’t mean his team didn’t have a finger in it.
Can’t wait for the 1st time Vegas comes to Toronto
After seeing the way Darren Ferris managed Mitch Marner, there is no way that I would employ this guy as an agent if I were coming up. He didn't help the way Marner was perceived by the fan base at all. Very poorly done.
TBH, I think the biggest problem for Marner, what got him off on the wrong foot from the start, was his dad, not his agent. It was stupid to bring up Willy getting sponsorships though, like... ya, you left, of course people are gonna try to go after the local sponsorships.
@abruptpegasus I think lowkey, Willy's glad Mitch is gone 😂
I don't know if Ferris OWNS the agency or runs it, but Marners agent is some 31 year old trying to make a name for himself.
Hmm maybe sdpn will get him fired after what was said
Every part of this was self inflicted.
The security guy's threat to cut of Dangle's access is interesting and alarming. It indicates a fundamental problem in the "Marner camp", when it comes to relations with fans and media. The "Marner camp" seems to believe they can control what is being said about this particular player, and that is probably the root of the problem.
Buddy manifested all these problems. Still looking to point the finger
How did he manifest or deserve death threats?
@emp6325 its called the Nocebo effect lol. like the opposite of the placebo effect: if you expect something to harm you, your body and mind reacts as if it really did.. literally a manifestation. Lol
Great podcast / episode / clip. On Marner's return, the entire building should go silent when his name is read out, any tribute given, etc.
I’be been over this bum for 3 years yet I still gotta hear about him even after he left. There’s nothing new here. He was fed up and people took it too far. MOVING ON IN LIFE
His agent and team fucked him. If he would have taken the 8 million dollar contract first time around he wouldn't have had the pressure on him he did. Instead they pushed for the 10.93 mil or what ever it was, because they were butthurt Matthew's got a big deal.
That said, it's still a game we watch for entertainment and to take it to the levels some do is crazy.
Norris Division rival here. Shame Mitch wouldn’t come to the Blues and our tiny market 🤣
I think Marner is disappointed how few Leaf fans care that he left
How few? You people have been crying for a year BEFORE he left about his leaving lmao. Have a little self-awareness for a change buddy 😂
@longliverocknroll5 every convo I’ve for the last couple years has been ready for him to leave. Some people think he is a POS but most just think he isn’t a playoff performer and the money will be spent better
@longliverocknroll5 Ah yes we care so much about a player who’s had 1 goal in every game 5 and 7 he’s played.
@ryanj357 Doesn’t really matter - Leafs are a bubble team now hahahha
The whole comment section is leaf fans crying about it but okay 👍
The pressure when playing for Real Madrid, Roma, Barcelona, Man U ect is probably worse. Toronto is a cake walk. Also doing a interview after about this all is silly.
The frustration with Marner goes way beyond just his on-ice playoff numbers. Fans can live with a player underperforming if they own it and show a bit of accountability. What rubs people the wrong way with Marner is the combination of disappointing playoff production plus the perception of entitlement, excuse-making, and deflecting responsibility. Not once have I ever watched a Marner interview and come away with the feeling that he took any accountability.
And the whole “I didn’t feel safe here for two years” comment without ever requesting a trade feels contradictory, and it plays into the narrative that he leans on dramatics when things get tough instead of just saying “I need to be better”. MLSE actually did an investigation into those supposed threats and didn’t find anything. "The Leafs investigated the threats against Marner. At the time, they determined that the forward did not need more security. Instead, the team felt like the threats were empty, and a response was not necessary."
Never asking for a trade makes it feel like he was lying, or at best exaggerating, to save face. Add in the stories about his dad’s heavy involvement, the media games during contract talks, and his security guard being aggressive online, and it all fuels the sense that he lives in a bubble and doesn’t really connect with the fanbase.
Ding Ding. Not buying it. More excuses…shame really. He would be a favorite player for me if would put on the big boy pants.
His numbers r par for games & points in playoffs
You're absolutely right, and his playoff numbers prove it.
“Perception” as in a narrative almost entirely invented by fanbois based on media, a media that has consistently done anything it could to toss at least one star under the bus for no reason. Gonna be fun seeing you all turn on Nylander (again) and watch him walk and all you guys crying “it’s about the perception of entitlement” 😂😂😂
Also, “i don’t feel safe” combined with “my PREGNANT WIFE needs to stay here for the sake of both the health of her and our baby” aren’t contradictory statements at all.
Just say “I think he’s a wimp and death threats are something players need to endure”.
Makes sense he to the team with the least fans
No matter the situation, sending death threats to an athlete is absolutely bonkers. Like, don't you have anything else to do in your life? I just can't understand the mindset.
exactly and any reasonable person would conclude the small minority of crazy people sending death threats are not worth your time to think about and if your a millionaire tell your security to be extra on guard tonight as if they were not already
Huh? DO you follow sports? Is this your first time on the internet? Have you ever heard of soccer? FFS I got a death threat for an Etsy listing. Grow up.
Death threats in sports are as old as time. Go see the kind of letters Roger Maris received in 1961 when he was closing in on Babe Ruth’s HR record - and that was for Maris having a historic season! This is 1961, black and white tvs, no social media, etc etc
I know it’s not the same but leaving a comment on a video isn’t really far off. A lot of people think text on the internet isn’t real.
Death threats from 10 years olds, pleaseee. Mitch ‘mister softee’ Marner trying to fix your reputation 😅😂😂😂😂
”Yeah we lose Game 7, as we do”
Orchestrating this episode may have been some of Adam’s best work on the pod. He was like a DJ building up to the drop.
All I have to say is, as a Minnesota Wild fan, thank goodness we don't have a player like Mitch Marner on our team.
Marner is like that ex that when they leave you expect you to fall apart, just to watch you move on without the crashout.
you are literally crashing out, this podcast bit is crashing out and the 55 times they talked about it since he decided to leave is crashing out. You are all just as salty as he is.
If a Leafs ticket cost as much as a movie ticket, Marner could get away with going on vacation after the regular season. When a Leafs ticket costs as much as a couple months of mortgage payments, the stakes and emotions are a little higher.
I personally think Mitch just wanted to leave a long time ago. His mind was made up. It showed in his performance on the ice. He was simply not "there" It has nothing to do with the fans and I'm tired of them blaming the fans. Nylander takes the TTC so it's not a fan issue. Sure, there are bad apples with the fans, but these bad apples do not represent all of the fans. It was not just Mitch who failed. The whole team failed. A change had to be made. The mix was not working. Great player, but we have to move on.
Agreed, I think he wanted to leave starting in 2022, or at the very latest the seeds were definitely planted by summer of 2023.
He scored 102 points last season and the leafs did what they always do in the playoffs. I fail to see how that’s a Marner problem.
Lots of the guys left there teams and I don't blame them when they get threatened
Marner was attacked by fans But 88 Nylander takes the Bus to games
This aged well
Marner was paid extremely well to handle the pressure. He wanted the big bucks he got it so dont cry about it
I'm surprised he didn't mention video games or his dog.
Both Marner and Ferris are full of it. There was no reason for any of this after the fact. Opinions of this player were set long ago, and it just shows how out of touch with the real underlying issues Marner and his group have always been. Mitch claiming that this came down to some inexcusable actions by fans after this year's loss to the Cats is beyond desperate, especially when news came out that he had already decided to leave over a year ago, that he and his family were shopping for homes in Vegas at a short break in the season, plus several hints from players and insiders throughout the year.
Mitch's father was attacked because he was known throughout Ontario to be the epitome of an overbearing hockey dad, and that continued when he became the father of a prominent Maple Leaf. He routinely made critical comments about other players in support of his son until someone finally convinced him to button it.
Mitch's Mom allegedly had already earned a reputation for being condescending to the mothers of other Leaf players, and it supposedly came to a boil on an early Mom's trip.
Ferris' methods of campaigning for his client hurt the bargaining power of other Leafs and the roster construction of the team. On and on, but these two clowns always blamed the team and the fans. The majority of fans have wanted to move on longer than Mitch, despite his prodigious talent.
And all that excuses bad behavior by toxic fans?
@johnsummerhill8323 Never, but there are always toxic fans in every market. The Marner camp tried to frame Toronto as something unusual, and it is not.
Bro lives in a gated community 😂
Darren Ferris is an utter embarrassment; what he and Marner's camp/family have done to him and how he's perceived and how he takes things is a travesty. If they ever need to wonder why people don't talk about other players like they do Marner, they only need to look in the mirror.
Why does the Thumbnail look like Marner is being interviewed on the death star?
That same “security person” has been bullying & harassing people online for calling out Mitch Marner. Even something as harmless as calling him a “whiny brat” WHICH HE IS … will make that lowlife threaten you “I’m your worst nightmare” Block & report them. Numerous examples online.
As a habs fans I am LOVING how salty leaf fans are. They can't just not hate on someone on their team or even the whole team. I mean just read the comments on anything marner or matthews or willy related and you only find hate 😅 you guys are the reason players want to leave.(not sdp crew, the fans that never celebrate but always make sure to spread hate when they are pissed). After Toronto had an amazing season in the nhl and also MLB, they literally get booed off the field as soon as they play a bad game or a player has a bad game (Vladdy in the last couple of games of regular season). It is INSANE how near sighted toronto fans are
When Ferris says, "Not all Leaf fans are the problem" he's referring to the dumb and gullible ones that still think Mitch is a good guy who was treated poorly by the team and the fans. This PR stunt is blowing up in their faces, and I love to see it.
He was poorly treated by fans
@FalloutUrMumThe same fans that were treating him like a God only a year before? Wake up dude.
@FalloutUrMum He was poorly treated by some nameless, faceless trolls online who no sensible hockey fan would ever claim as part of Leafs Nation. Newsflash: doesn't matter where you go, people like that are always going to exist.
@matthewkenney8670
Fake band jumpers fans like u
@FalloutUrMumright…. We all treated him poorly….
We all gotta let this go
Marner's main problem has always been that his Dad is a psycho
He's been raised like a spoiled manchild its so obvious.
His dad is an ass but Mitch is a grown man and needs to be held accountable. He needs to grow up and take control of his own life.
@dmd434 Mitch Marner is the fifth highest scoring leaf all time. In over 100 years only 4 leafs have more points, imagine if he was actually in control lmao.
I think his dad did most of if not all of the work to create the bubble of entitlement that Marner played in even as a kid.
Or leaf fans are the dumbest cvnts in sports
Honestly guys if you were an NHL player and played for your home city. Even if you were dominate in the regular season, one of the best in the leagues and then consistently took a step back in the playoffs like Mitch has.. would you really WANT to put up with constant criticism and disdain and the whole fanbase thinking they don’t need you and you’re a reason why you’re losing games? Or would you prefer to not have that noise there? I don’t think nearly anybody would willing choose criticism if all else was equal. Fairly. Now is Marners camp spinning this to make him look like an angel and the fanbase hating on him to look like the only real reason he left? Definitely seems like it. I don’t blame him, but I agree. There’s no need for his camp to be out here saying all these things. Just let it go. You’re already in a new city on a new team. Let your success prove you made the right decision here
This didn’t happen to Tavares, Matthews, or Nylander. Nylander literally takes the subway to games without any issues, for goodness’ sake. This is a Marner problem-he’s lost favour with Leafs fans in a big way. I can’t recall another elite local player facing this kind of backlash.
And the organisation let it happen. Also, Nylander absolutely received hate for years lmao. What are you smoking? Just because it didn’t escalate to the point at which the team failed to make him and his family feel safe doesn’t mean he didn’t get incredible amounts of bs.
@longliverocknroll5 you are so full of crap. Nylander may have taken crap as has ANY other player thats played here. But leaking an address and death threats is a whole other level and arses like you who just love to crap on leafs and their fans are just going to town on this. GTFO with your BS.
Marner bent the fans over the barrel with his contract. Fans hate him for it, as they should. This is a Mitch Marner Problem.
I don't think it's fair to say that since Tavares, Matthews, and Nylander didn't have trash thrown on their front lawn and get doxxed and deal with threats to their families that the problem must just be with Marner. Toronto needs to have a meaningful conversation about the tiny amount of their "fans" who are clearly going way too far. Blaming players for the actions of fans who are just plain wrong isn't right. We should all be agreeing right now that there is *never* a case where it's ok to doxx players, threaten their families, or go to their frickin houses. It's just not ok, and even the worst players shouldn't be having that happen to them. Even Matt Cooke didn't deserve to have people show up at his house.
@longliverocknroll5 that’s The life being a famous hockey player🤷♂️ your never gonna be in a place where everybody loves you gotta have thick skin.
16:50 Reminds me of when the Wild traded Granny while his wife was in labor in 2016. I thought that was such a dick move by the organization.
The problem was it being a deadline trade so they couldn't wiggle the timing if they were deadset on the trade.
Out of all the death threat headlines you read...if my counting and math was correct 44% of them were Leaf fans?
Toxic media using scripts providing talking points from a toxic team management to target certain players to weaken their negotiations or use their smooth brained toxic fan base to run them out of town.
There’s a reason why no stars in their prime EVER want to come to this vortex of fail of an organization.
Good luck in the playoffs, Mitch! You’re in a far better place now.
1 - I am glad MM is gone. He will never be a key cog of a cup champ. The Leafs are better without him.
2 - Ferris lies. He never had a chance to leave for more money. MM was restricted until this year.
28:20 is why I will never forgive Mitch, leave in peace, collect your cheque. Going out of your way to do all that months after you left the team is low.
I get that there can be angry fans, but you simply don't get to complain about it when your getting paid such a stupid amount of money that you simply don't deserve, If your a surgeon saving lives get back to me, but more money a year than other normal person will make doing real work there whole lives is just disgusting
Marner and his camp literally hired a social media company to go online and argue with ppl. Literally the most toxic player in NHL history.
LiTeRaLLy
Matthews and Nylander criticized mitch for wanting to win while they took days off in the playoffs...to not be toxic to that is nuts. Leafs media killed the wrong guy again
@brandonflooren5373all of them suck.
@brandonflooren5373 are you the security guard that threatened Steve Dangle's broadcasting career for something he didn't even say? Or just a Paul Marner-troll? Or do you work for Mitch's media team through Farris? You want to talk about toxic? YT doesn't allow me to write msgs long enough to cover all of Marner's toxicity. The absolute disgust from the fan base and media alike is rightfully so! Most toxic player in league history! Vegas will be upset by his contract while we sit back and say "I told you so".
That’s my dream job
The only thing I learned here is Marner lives rent free is Leaf Fan's head. The hate is so over the top, there's no way they aren't constantly thinking about him. This comment section is evidence of that. If you really didn't care, you'd be indifferent. When you hate, it's because you actually DO care positively or negatively. He's gone now, it doesn't matter.
I think Marner is completely correct. I think the fans are correct. Both things can be completely true.
At the end of the day, however, it was the Front Office that created this situation. They mismanaged their cap. They then constructed a weak team around a front loaded core and then the team lost. Over and over and over.
People complaining about Marner's performance is funny... because AM34 has 0.86 PPG in the playoffs. Marner was 0.90.
But sure... Marner is the problem. The basic truth, we kept 75% of a core that couldn't win and all underperformed.
Marner was a convenient scapegoat. I can predict this season: We lose in the first round because literally nothing was changed. We just log a good regular season player. Which might sound like nothing... but then you realize that you need to make the playoffs before winning them.
I’m writing this as a habs fan. Ultimately there are three parties all at fault here. Marner didnt play up to the standards he set for himself in regular season and with his contract. The fans are also at fault. I think as fans we are always harder on local players than others. Habs fan did it to Richer and Brisebois. I havent heard the same level of critisism for matthews who was just as invisible as marner in the playoffs. And the third party involved was the team. From babcock playing mindgames with him, the team overly sticking to a plan that wasnt working (core 4) and not changing coach earlier… this breakup was written in the stars and gets worse because it happened a couple years too late
Well said
This is too reasonable of a take for the internet sir lol.
Great summary
Also Dubas wanted to trade Marner but Shanahan fired him and wanted to keep them together and Dubas gave them way too much money and there was a ego problem and Marner had multiple chances to score a wide open net but chose to pass instead and Marner doing those spinorama no look passes and Marner and Matthews passing the puck back and forth you shoot no you shoot no you shoot no you shoot before you know it was too late to shoot and Marner would pick and choose when to be good and not to be good.
Fair take, but even in a situation where all parties are at fault, the PARTY with the most fault was Mitch and his camp. ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS TO "ACKNOWLEDGE THAT".
Crazy fans just like you 3
Saying "I want my family to be safe so I moved to Las Vegas" is such an insane sentence lol
Doesn't it hold the record for largest mass casualty event caused by a firearm as far as both cities and states go?
U have olivia chow for mayor. Shut up
No, no, no, no, no, no - this segment...? is for non-Leaf fans.
Stars fan checking in!
Marner should be an afterthought.
That west is gonna ride him every game, Head in to the boards glove in his face. If he able to put up 50 pts i will be shocked. Vegas plays a different. He is gonna struggle miserably. That stupid organization and him deserve each other
I’m looking for a great place to raise my family. Any suggestions?
Vegas, baby!!!
Riiiiiiight….
At the end of it all we all need to move on. Don’t even acknowledge marner when seen again. Don’t boo, don’t cheer. Let the jumbotron thank him because they will, sit silently and then cheer this current team on and let Mitch do what he wants in Vegas
Silence during his jumbotron video would be diabolical 😭
Gonna be hard when he brings the cop to Toronto this June
@camstevenson1580brings the cop? Well he already had to hire security so if he hires a police force I don’t think it’d be much different lol
Best thing to do is when he is interduce is turn back to him
Best thing to Marner is when he is interduce is turn your back to him
Exactly practice what you preach!! See ya 😂
All he needs to say is: "One day, years from now, I hope to be able to have a beer with Leafs fans", and he will earn so much respect.
Instead he continues to have little social skills and uses his power/influence in the most ridiculous way. Wild stuff
He’s a kid who had a kid. Time to grow up. He did this to himself by that first contract hold out. If he would have took a fair deal. He would have been
Loved. Also his dad
Going on the tv show didn’t help him either.
Marner is extremely talented, but holy hell man, you are beyond entitled. And the worst part is, it isnt even Marners fault, his dad seems like an absolute psycho.
Talented not extremely talented. So many more talented player could have put up better numbers playing with the Leafs forwards. Overrated
Wow is this a Cowboys fans thread?