@@justawatchin2 if you do a lifetime analysis there's less than 3 hours in a single pedal. $30 materials and maybe $180 in labor across actual labor, graphic design, r&d, etc. This is also considering an extremely low production count of about 1500-2000 total forever.
@@AndrossUT i'm not sure what conclusion you're drawing, that's quite a lot of time and resources into a single pedal and justifies a several hundred dollar price if you want profit, right?
It honeslty makes no sense to me. I think even at the low volumes they make, it is already viable to have them assembled by pick-and-place. Not only will it be cheaper, the reliability will be a lot higher. Heck, at my old job we had lots of 25-30 pcbs already machine-assembled because it was cheaper than doing it by hand.
I hope all those people out there saying that it doesn't matter how these are made, companies are overcharging, are watching this video. There's no substitute for manually building equipment.
@TightestCrusher When you have 'budget' effects companies charging $100 for stuff that's not being built manually at any point in the process, who's overcharging then?
@DerpRulesAll nope. I saw them puch a button, and then the machine ran itself off a program. The drill press, for example. There are manually operated drill presses. My father has one. You secure the object, pull the handle to bring down the bit to check alignment, then raise it back up and make any necessary adjustments. Then you turn the drill on and pull the handle back down to drill the pilot hole through an object, and then raise the drill back up and turn it off. Then you get an allen wrench to release the bit and put the larger bit in and tighten it. Then you pull the handle to double check the alignment. Turn the drill back on and pull the handle again to drill the hole. Then repeat the process for every hole. THAT is a manual operated drill press.That is not one of them.
@hulkslayer626 Sure, sure, of course. Sorry, you can't compare this to what they're doing in Shenzhen City, I don't care what you or anyone else says. And then to charge almost as much as a company like this is particularly egregious; and don't even think about warrantees.
That was very cool. Being a software person, I am intrigued to know if the pedals are all the same hardware with different software loaded! Also, all you have to do to get that same painting is buy every OBNE pedal they ever make, and put them together like a symmetrical peice jigsaw puzzle!
That's why the pedals are expensive - It's because of small batch production. If they were massed produced in China they would just use stamping, or casting, have a huge automated assembly line to churn out thousands of pedals per day, but it wouldn't be as cool.
Taking me back to my tech/manufacturing eng past... like 1978-84 past Tektronix and Cardiac Resuscitator (first AED, y'all) ... we could only DREAM of the toys that we have these days.
Thank you. I love this. These machines look expensive and the workers need to be paid a living wage. The soldering is tedious and easy to botch. So much goes into this, I am happy to support small companies like this.
I have an old Keeley Mod pedal from 2002 that was modded and signed by Issac Nelson from OBNE. Cool video Emily! I love seeing "how it's made" style videos!
@@RobertKeeleyTV I can tell! That pedal is over 20 years old and works like a charm. Plus I found it in a dank basement at an estate sale. 10/10 quality.
@TightestCrusher because if you are getting boards made with SMD you could include the FV-1, and also, its pretty fiddly and as you said takes skill and experience.
@@emilyharpist2 OK, I will put my faith in your answer. I will disassemble my red string conspiracy chart that connects my theories... but I will save it, just in case. 👀
I have made a few pedals in the past! some work! some dont!! I made a clone of a Fuzz Factory! got hold of the best mojo parts I could find! that pedal has attitude
You asked him if he could make rolls in there, and I was just thinking “you could hang a few rotisserie chickens in there too”. All the pedals come out mysteriously smelling like a down town deli.
I know its not your jam, but I'd love for this to have been 3x longer with more in depth discussion about the process. Engineering nerdouts don't always get the best feedback on a channel like this, but awesome you get to use your platform to show us the inside scoop.
Hey Emily Hopkins and Russ! When will you do a vid on how an excellent harpist and composer is made? How about an interview with Emily Hopkins parents? Ride ride ride!
Neat behind the scenes look! Your hair is even cooler than I realized, with that undercut? Whoa! How are you liking the LotR in one big volume? Supposedly Tolkien wrote it to be split into 7 volumes (well, really six plus appendices) but it was only published that way once as far as I know; and not while he was alive to appreciate it. At least personally I found that it flowed/had a cadence that seemed as if the text was better timed in the 7 volume edition. Even 3 volumes feels too chonky per volume, to me at least.
There's room in that printer for like 24 enclosures. And I'm pretty sure they could fit a few more into the drying oven as well. They could really ramp up production if they wanted to.
@@emilyharpist2 I know. That was my attempt at humor. I laughed when he ran a single enclosure through the drying oven he could easily step into like a small room.
Would have been nice if anyone on this tour would have explained anything about what was happening or what they were doing or why they were doing it without having to be explicitly asked a question... I get these are all "gear and pedal nerds" but someone here has to have some iota of marketing and social skills. FFS. This was less "How a company makes an effect pedal" than it was "watch these people do their job while we awkardly point a camera at them and chat about anything other than pedals and electronics and the manufacture of them". But at least I learned that Warhammer 40k is "the space one" I guess
1. your cameraman was trying to focus on the project but you just wanted to yap and yap 2. this is not how a company makes an effect pedal. this is what a pedal being built vaguely looks like. 2a. this is an assembly line. this wont teach anyone anything but how to solder. what are the chips? how was it programmed? i really dont like these channels, i understand woman have a natural tendency to chase "being liked" but you need to actually have a reason for your content beyond "dont forget about me today" because you like, totally had to get up and get ready and everythinggg!!! ugghghghgh!!! you better get your entitlement! remember lady, An artist is someone who gets paid to create things for clients or their community, a tinkerer or hobbyist is just that, but not an artist. I know all you do is tinker, and because of that when i think of you as you pass by my feed from time to time, i think "there goes that lady who plays with music gear, but i dont know what instrument she plays, likely guitar? but her name is harp lady? not like shes going to actually perform anything interesting :/ maybe some indie chords at best? man people expect far too much gratification for far too little effort.
So much work goes into making just one, helps you see why they cost what they cost.
and the significant r&d before all this
Uhh what? It was CNC for most of it.
@@AndrossUT the first two minutes of the video maybe?
@@justawatchin2 if you do a lifetime analysis there's less than 3 hours in a single pedal. $30 materials and maybe $180 in labor across actual labor, graphic design, r&d, etc. This is also considering an extremely low production count of about 1500-2000 total forever.
@@AndrossUT i'm not sure what conclusion you're drawing, that's quite a lot of time and resources into a single pedal and justifies a several hundred dollar price if you want profit, right?
SMD by hand with a soldering iron is an absolute skill. Wow.
Yeah, I would assume they would invest in a soldering oven.
@@KyleBGanger you first need to make money for it, and have a need to speed up the production
It honeslty makes no sense to me. I think even at the low volumes they make, it is already viable to have them assembled by pick-and-place. Not only will it be cheaper, the reliability will be a lot higher. Heck, at my old job we had lots of 25-30 pcbs already machine-assembled because it was cheaper than doing it by hand.
Visiting various pedal companies for behind the scenes stuff would make such a great series! I would watch everyone of them.
I have at least 5 videos like this! I'll make a playlist soon!
@@emilyharpist2 A playlist would be great, love these.
I love that this is totally a rag tag group of weirdo musicians
This is pedal nerd level enjoyment. Thanks Emily and Old Blood Noise
I hope all those people out there saying that it doesn't matter how these are made, companies are overcharging, are watching this video. There's no substitute for manually building equipment.
@TightestCrusher When you have 'budget' effects companies charging $100 for stuff that's not being built manually at any point in the process, who's overcharging then?
Sure there is, machines are a substitute. I actually saw a few in this very video.
@@hulkslayer626 And you saw people running those machines, manually, not an automated assembly system.
@DerpRulesAll nope. I saw them puch a button, and then the machine ran itself off a program. The drill press, for example. There are manually operated drill presses. My father has one. You secure the object, pull the handle to bring down the bit to check alignment, then raise it back up and make any necessary adjustments. Then you turn the drill on and pull the handle back down to drill the pilot hole through an object, and then raise the drill back up and turn it off. Then you get an allen wrench to release the bit and put the larger bit in and tighten it. Then you pull the handle to double check the alignment. Turn the drill back on and pull the handle again to drill the hole. Then repeat the process for every hole. THAT is a manual operated drill press.That is not one of them.
@hulkslayer626 Sure, sure, of course.
Sorry, you can't compare this to what they're doing in Shenzhen City, I don't care what you or anyone else says. And then to charge almost as much as a company like this is particularly egregious; and don't even think about warrantees.
Love seeing a relatively small scale production line like this… Amazing the tools available to creators these days!
I enjoyed every second of this video pedal building is my fav netflix program
This was cool to see! And it looked like y'all had a great time there, too
That was very cool. Being a software person, I am intrigued to know if the pedals are all the same hardware with different software loaded!
Also, all you have to do to get that same painting is buy every OBNE pedal they ever make, and put them together like a symmetrical peice jigsaw puzzle!
You'll need to keep collecting, because they haven't used up the whole painting yet
That's why the pedals are expensive - It's because of small batch production. If they were massed produced in China they would just use stamping, or casting, have a huge automated assembly line to churn out thousands of pedals per day, but it wouldn't be as cool.
It sounds like a haunted Disneyland ride in the best possible way.
Ahhh I bought this having haven’t heard it at all before and now I’m super excited for it!!!
Taking me back to my tech/manufacturing eng past... like 1978-84 past
Tektronix and Cardiac Resuscitator (first AED, y'all) ... we could only DREAM of the toys that we have these days.
Thank you. I love this. These machines look expensive and the workers need to be paid a living wage. The soldering is tedious and easy to botch. So much goes into this, I am happy to support small companies like this.
Your outro piece morphed from slow spinning ballerina's to creepy clowns riding a merry-go-round.
gotta love Emily constantly making amazed and excited noises in the background
“Can you make cinnamon roles in there?” Your channel is awesome.
I have an old Keeley Mod pedal from 2002 that was modded and signed by Issac Nelson from OBNE. Cool video Emily! I love seeing "how it's made" style videos!
Isaac Nelson is a gem of a person and one of my favorite employees from Keeley V1.
@@RobertKeeleyTVlong live isaac nelson!
@@RobertKeeleyTV I can tell! That pedal is over 20 years old and works like a charm. Plus I found it in a dank basement at an estate sale. 10/10 quality.
I am genuinly shocked they soldered the FV-1 themselves. Wild. I have the Reverse in this series, its rad.
@TightestCrusher because if you are getting boards made with SMD you could include the FV-1, and also, its pretty fiddly and as you said takes skill and experience.
I love that you guys made a second channel for stuff like this, keep up all the great work! :3
I love your channel. You are honest.
I love OBNE with the bottom of my heart!
Nice, thank you for this work Harp Lady
that was so frigging cool. Making effects pedals by hand is such a niche thing to be absurdly good at but I'm here for it
By hand? I saw an awful lot of machines lol
fun, efficient, just enough insight to leave us wanting more :)
I literally shouted a swear at the end when I heard how good this pedal sounds.
Dying to know if it will stay a thousand bucks or if I sprinted that mile in vain
That casual soldering skill 😮
Making Pedals Is A Way Of Life.
And by making them you change lives
@ awww
pretty cool, love to see inside manufacturers and how they produce their stuff! Was rather surpised to see the code written using the Arduino IDE
wow that shit sounded amazing at the end
I love nerds. This dude rules.
can u make cinnamon rolls in there though?
this was the most important question. I'm hoping there will be a part 2
Currently waiting for my bl-13 from them. Like seeing how it’s all done
Did u pay the 1k for it? Or run the mile? Eggcar?
I got 348 in eggy car
How did you get there without using the magic closet? Is everything a lie???
I just didn’t film climbing into the closet
@@emilyharpist2 OK, I will put my faith in your answer. I will disassemble my red string conspiracy chart that connects my theories... but I will save it, just in case. 👀
Loved the video! Greetings from Argentina, saludos!
I have made a few pedals in the past! some work! some dont!! I made a clone of a Fuzz Factory! got hold of the best mojo parts I could find! that pedal has attitude
The thought of that drilling robot living at OBNE is nightmare fuel if you've watched the Dark Light video
great vod !
It's no piece of drywall, but pedal still seems pretty cool.
thats funny that you showed the exact diy kit i just ordered 😆
it looks pretty good
You asked him if he could make rolls in there, and I was just thinking “you could hang a few rotisserie chickens in there too”. All the pedals come out mysteriously smelling like a down town deli.
yo wtf howd i not know this channel existed?! shes never talked about it on the main channel but damn
I'm so glad you found the channel! I talk about it on the main channel sometimes!!!
That’s my neck of the woods! 😀
Thanks Pedal Mommy! 🥺
I know its not your jam, but I'd love for this to have been 3x longer with more in depth discussion about the process. Engineering nerdouts don't always get the best feedback on a channel like this, but awesome you get to use your platform to show us the inside scoop.
Demented fun faire pedal. Hooray!
Wow, they (and Walrus) are from my home town.
and Keeley!!!
Hey Emily Hopkins and Russ! When will you do a vid on how an excellent harpist and composer is made? How about an interview with Emily Hopkins parents? Ride ride ride!
Bad ass video. Totally cool. Curious as to how much total time it took them to make that one?
Ima need one of those pedals...
Chips and science like it was nothin !
Neat behind the scenes look!
Your hair is even cooler than I realized, with that undercut? Whoa!
How are you liking the LotR in one big volume? Supposedly Tolkien wrote it to be split into 7 volumes (well, really six plus appendices) but it was only published that way once as far as I know; and not while he was alive to appreciate it. At least personally I found that it flowed/had a cadence that seemed as if the text was better timed in the 7 volume edition. Even 3 volumes feels too chonky per volume, to me at least.
1:27 is one of the coolest sounds
OBNE are GOAT
I was about to subscribe to your "new channel" when I realized you just renamed the old one 🤣🤣🤣
And all I have to do is run a mile for $821 off! What a steal
I see an ESD surface but no wrist straps. Tsk, tsk. How many beans can this pedal hold?
What step are the beans added?
AHHHHHHH! YOU WERE HERE AND I DIDNT KNOW?!?! Where did you go eat omg I coulda taken u sight seeing 😢
Ashra in the BG @ 6:27?
There's room in that printer for like 24 enclosures. And I'm pretty sure they could fit a few more into the drying oven as well. They could really ramp up production if they wanted to.
They do! this was just to show one pedal
@@emilyharpist2 I know. That was my attempt at humor. I laughed when he ran a single enclosure through the drying oven he could easily step into like a small room.
❤️😍
Where can I get that harp room sweatshirt?
I'm going to make it exclusive patreon merch soon!
I have to ask where the sweater is from lol
Mmmmm tormach…. And powder coating ❤❤
❤
can we get that man some better insulation??
Nice Emily but I bet RUSS gets this one of One 😢, TY both love you kiddos ❤️🌸🫂🤘🎸🤠 Your Music-In-Law
Solder fume extraction
cool 🙃
Emily - you didn't introduce these clever people???
Remember, folks. O.G. can also stand for Original Geriatric. 😉
Would have been nice if anyone on this tour would have explained anything about what was happening or what they were doing or why they were doing it without having to be explicitly asked a question... I get these are all "gear and pedal nerds" but someone here has to have some iota of marketing and social skills. FFS. This was less "How a company makes an effect pedal" than it was "watch these people do their job while we awkardly point a camera at them and chat about anything other than pedals and electronics and the manufacture of them". But at least I learned that Warhammer 40k is "the space one" I guess
4:53 shout out Steam Deck 🤓
Great video harp lady . . But please, please be careful of pedal/emulator addiction. It will hit you deep in your pockets . . .but God is it fun!
Whoa... they hand solder SMD components...
Get out of the kiln.
don’t get in the kiln!
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i like how awkward everyone else. yall just barged in there and started recording
Arduino spotted
Emily notice me!
1. your cameraman was trying to focus on the project but you just wanted to yap and yap
2. this is not how a company makes an effect pedal. this is what a pedal being built vaguely looks like.
2a. this is an assembly line. this wont teach anyone anything but how to solder. what are the chips? how was it programmed?
i really dont like these channels, i understand woman have a natural tendency to chase "being liked" but you need to actually have a reason for your content beyond "dont forget about me today" because you like, totally had to get up and get ready and everythinggg!!! ugghghghgh!!! you better get your entitlement!
remember lady, An artist is someone who gets paid to create things for clients or their community,
a tinkerer or hobbyist is just that, but not an artist. I know all you do is tinker, and because of that when i think of you as you pass by my feed from time to time, i think "there goes that lady who plays with music gear, but i dont know what instrument she plays, likely guitar? but her name is harp lady? not like shes going to actually perform anything interesting :/ maybe some indie chords at best?
man people expect far too much gratification for far too little effort.