Really good video T, very clear step by step instructions. The belt drive kit would be the first modification I would make on any Royal Enfield 650. RS Tech produce a high quality, well engineered product.
Very interesting video ! I got now my super meteor after having had Harleys. The meteor is great and much lighter (I'm 70). Going to find out iff itting this kit is legal in France . I hope yes. Thank you very much for your videos.
Thank you. I’m sure it would be ok, but you may have to modify the chain guard for the yearly safety inspection? Then remove it afterwards. It’s a good looking modification, that deserves showing off. 👌🙏
Hey teacher t-- I had my belt put on Wed. as well as the USB mounter below the clutch lever. Of course RE mechanics had no idea they could fit it on a Super Meteor 650. I told I would not charge them for the training! ha ha. The belt was put on by my Kawasaki mechanic who also put a belt on my Kawasaki 650 S last year.
Great news. Glad you got it done. Hope you are liking it as much as I do. I have such a clean bike now! Glad the USB mod worked. It's difficult to get hold of the part looks like. See you on the run in November🙏
@Teacher-T-Thailand Just a week ago, I got the 650 super meteor ...whenever I put the first gear, it's making the jerk and giving a sound, I been to service station in india ( guntur ), they just told me I need to await till my first service to get avoid the sound and jerk ? Is it true sir ?
@@Featurefilms I think that is kind of normal on most bikes if not too excessive. And yes as soon as you hit 500km the whole bike will be serviced with oil change. They will certainly look at it then for you. Just get riding to get the 500km 🙏
When working on the rear wheel on my belt driven Vicory i used a ratchet strap over the seat and the wheel to sispend it and move it about. Easy to lower the wheel to the garahe floor and i didn't have chocks and the like getting in the way to roll out the wheel. As my health deteriorated i was unable to lift the rear wheel by mysel and wiggle it about to get the axle realigned to the brearings. Great video thanks for your effort on this😊
Excellent explanatory video, by the way I couldn't find information about replacing Cush Drive Rubber every 20K, the original ones in the video look in excellent condition
Taken from the Interceptor factory shop manual. There were loose bits of rubber sticking to the tabs on the carrier and in the wheel pockets - a bit surprising given the mileage on the bike
You would think that, but you can see we had to hammer on the rear drive hub. If you see the other belt drive fitting video who also had 7,000 km on his bike, he just pushed it on. In fact dropped it on. There is the difference ,🙏
True, the new ones were nice and snug. Cheap as chips, so while in there, why not just change them for peace of mind, so no need to go back in there for a long time.
Hi Teacher T! You don't have to remove the swingarm at all. Just remove the plastic cover and stretch the belt. You will save yourself a lot of work. The installation then takes less than an hour. BTW: Thank you so much for the kit, it's awesome!!!
Good solution. But I would mean cutting the plastic stretch cover to get it off? And Robert being Robert would;d want to remove and service the swing arm and check torque also. But on a newish bike sure. Thank you for your comments. Glad you like it. They have sold very well. A few being fitted to brand new bikes. Owners of which would not have bought the Meteor with out this option, which is just amazing. I’m glad to be a small cog in the chain. But all credit goes to Robert 🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand If the assembly is connected with the revision of the swingarm bearings, then it makes sense. My Super Meteor has 3.000 km on it, the revision made no sense. All I had to do was remove the left exhaust, the left muffler, the left plastic swingarm bolt cover and the rear wheel. Half the work with the same result… 😉
@@BureScarver Good point and thanks for mentioning as dropping the swingarm, seems a DYI impediment to some. While the swing arm removal sounds daunting, is really not a big deal, and adds about 10 minutes to the job - more if you have to clean up the oily chain mess. Once the swingarm is removed, it allows deletion of the charcoal cannister, and as you say, servicing the bushing. More than one way to skin a cat....................
Thank you 🙏. A chain guard on a metal chain is to help stop the oil flicking around more than protection (only the top half). I know Robert is dead against them on a belt drive. He calls them stone catchers. But it is open for debate. One thing he won’t be designing 😂🙏
Hola, Profesor que tal? Desde Chile, y también profesor. Lo felicito por su video muy bien explicado. Mi SM 650 tiene sólo 2000 km, cuando corresponda cambiarle la transmisión (a los 20 o 30 mil km.) le pondré la transmisión por correa. Aumentará mucho el precio el pedir un kit desde acá? Un abrazo y felicitaciones nuevamente.
Thank you teacher 🙏 I very much doubt you will get 20, 000 km on your original chain and sprocket. 10,000 km if you are lucky. Look at my old sprocket with 7,000 km on it. On it,s way out already. A very good reason to change to belt. Good luck and all the best. Just the postage extra. 🙏
Very interesting swap. I am curious about long term use, still owning a belt driven bike (2002 Bmw F650 CS, bought new) I went though a few issues during bike's life and 3 belts so far (102k km later), notably freshly laid sticky road gravel, which did cause some concerns.
Belt drive bikes have been common since 1985 over millions of km in road applications - fresh laid sticky road gravel is a concern. Having said that, this belt is the latest Gates carbon fiber belt, unlike the one on your BMW, but still a road bike. Yes s**t happens, but I did 160,000 km on the last belt, while living at the end of a 1 km long gravel drive, and pretty sure I might have gone through some roadworks over those 13 years....... I and the other Riders that have covered literally millions of km with a belt drive, cannot be simply that lucky. The belt drive has not only stood the test of time, but a proven concept for a road bike.
@@nicolaspechoux1245 As I said earlier, that is not the same carbon fiber tensile cord belt as installed on the Super Meteor. This is a Gates Poly Chain Carbon GT belt and not introduced until 2006-07. As the belt is a common Gates industrial item, price is not in the same range as a gold plated, bike specific, spare part. In any case, belt drives are for street use.
Thank you. Owner.s manual yes, but service manual no. No one has released one yet that I know of. But here is a guide of service needs at specific km”s. maintenanceschedule.com/royal-enfield-super-meteor-650/
I'm sure it can, and Robert is in the middle of doing his on his Interceptor at the moment. But beyond my skills, and not an upgrade I aspire to. But I will report on his Interceptor when done 🙏
Good question. Unsure is the answer. It does state chain, sprockets and chain guard are checked. But it’s not a chain. And a chain guard never protects the lower half of the belt. I will check if I can physically put the guard back on in the morning.. 🙏
Hi, TTT. Could you explain a bit more about the gear ratio of the wheel pulley (38T v 40T) and more importantly, the real-world affect? It probably doesn't make much of a difference but I would like to wrap my head around the concept. Thanks.
Sure. The standard rear sprocket on the Meteor 650 has 40 teeth. If we changed this sprocket to one with 38 teeth, it means only 38 links in the chain required to turn the wheel 1 revolution instead of 40. The effect is lower engine rpm at high speed. Which to me is a good thing. Because for a cruiser i always felt the Meteor sounded too high a speed revving engine. Slightly slower acceleration on low speeds, but only milliseconds. Not really noticeable. I constantly gott 26:kpl from my Meteor. Since the belt drive conversion it has achieved 27kpl. Early days yet. I will check over the next few tanks of fuel. So that is a major advantage. Robert has designed the rear sprocket of the belt drive to be an equivalent of 38 teeth of a normal sprocket. Lower revs, better mpg. It's a winner in my view 🙏
In that case, so would a DNA air filter, after market exhausts, or handle bar modifications. Best to ask your insurance company if you are that worried about it. 🙏
I can give you a long and complicated engineering explanation, should you wish to PM me, but the short answer is no. Here is an unbiased US Dept of Energy report giving that 98% efficiency, and comparing to V-belts www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/04/f15/replace_vbelts_motor_systemts5.pdf And a technical paper of chain VS belt with the same result: core.ac.uk/download/pdf/55693235.pdf
Nope. The rear axel is not fully tensioned until all the adjustments are done. Once torqued as in the video after, bearings align everything, not the rubber cush drive.
You’ve misunderstood my post! Clock the outermost section of the rear sprocket with a dial guage and you’ll be able to see that it’s not running true to the wheel centre from where it was fitted incorrectly. Belt tension or axle torque has no effect whatsoever on how the sprocket has been bolted onto the rear hub. Fortunately an easy fix to rectify. Centralise the sprocket to extend belt life so that the belt is no longer exposed to unnecessary additional constant changes in tension. I’ve taken the time to centre the rear sprocket on my chain driven bike and regularly get 9000 miles between adjustments with just 47 horses dumped on the drive chain.
To my knowledge that is not yet available, nor have I looked if it is feasible - not all bikes are. - I am eyeing up my T-120 Bonneville for a belt right now......................
@@pam493 ahhh yes, They are out of stock at the moment. Selling very well. They should get more stock in the next 2 weeks. Try the website again then 🙏
@pam493 J'ai commandé un kit belt-drive pour mon RE Super Meteor 650. Il arrivera et, espérons-le, sera installé d'ici juin 24. Je suis dans le Cher (18). Je serai heureux de vous montrer les résultats. Rob
Some belt dive installers have reported just disconnecting the suspension at the bottom, and lowering the swing arm when the bike is on the centre stand. There is just enough room to evolve the wheel tilted at an angle, but it is tight. 🙏
Great video - can't wait to fit mine.
Good luck with it all.Not for the faint hearted, but a worthy upgrade 🙏
I’m happy I took mine to the shop to get done. A lot smoother so far but weather hasn’t been playing nice
Glad you found some one to do it. Hope you get some better weather soon to get out and test that smoothness 🙏
ordert a beltdrive yesterday also, thanks for your video, will help me a lot to install it.
That's great. I hope you like it as much as I do. No more oily mess is such a blessing ,,🙏
Really good video T, very clear step by step instructions. The belt drive kit would be the first modification I would make on any Royal Enfield 650. RS Tech produce a high quality, well engineered product.
Than you John 😂🙏
Very interesting video ! I got now my super meteor after having had Harleys. The meteor is great and much lighter (I'm 70). Going to find out iff itting this kit is legal in France . I hope yes. Thank you very much for your videos.
Thank you. I’m sure it would be ok, but you may have to modify the chain guard for the yearly safety inspection? Then remove it afterwards. It’s a good looking modification, that deserves showing off. 👌🙏
Very interesting...Thanks T.. 🙏
Welcome 🙏
Great video, thank you 🙏 Still working up the courage to do mine 😳 😂
Thank you. Be brave. It's worth the climb ,🙏
Hey teacher t-- I had my belt put on Wed. as well as the USB mounter below the clutch lever. Of course RE mechanics had no idea they could fit it on a Super Meteor 650. I told I would not charge them for the training! ha ha. The belt was put on by my Kawasaki mechanic who also put a belt on my Kawasaki 650 S last year.
Great news. Glad you got it done. Hope you are liking it as much as I do. I have such a clean bike now! Glad the USB mod worked. It's difficult to get hold of the part looks like. See you on the run in November🙏
Eagerly waiting
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@Teacher-T-Thailand Just a week ago, I got the 650 super meteor ...whenever I put the first gear, it's making the jerk and giving a sound, I been to service station in india ( guntur ), they just told me I need to await till my first service to get avoid the sound and jerk ? Is it true sir ?
@@Featurefilms I think that is kind of normal on most bikes if not too excessive. And yes as soon as you hit 500km the whole bike will be serviced with oil change. They will certainly look at it then for you. Just get riding to get the 500km 🙏
When working on the rear wheel on my belt driven Vicory i used a ratchet strap over the seat and the wheel to sispend it and move it about. Easy to lower the wheel to the garahe floor and i didn't have chocks and the like getting in the way to roll out the wheel. As my health deteriorated i was unable to lift the rear wheel by mysel and wiggle it about to get the axle realigned to the brearings. Great video thanks for your effort on this😊
Thank you for sharing your experience. I hope your health improves soon. Many thanks. T T. 🙏
Excellent explanatory video, by the way I couldn't find information about replacing Cush Drive Rubber every 20K, the original ones in the video look in excellent condition
Taken from the Interceptor factory shop manual. There were loose bits of rubber sticking to the tabs on the carrier and in the wheel pockets - a bit surprising given the mileage on the bike
You would think that, but you can see we had to hammer on the rear drive hub. If you see the other belt drive fitting video who also had 7,000 km on his bike, he just pushed it on. In fact dropped it on. There is the difference ,🙏
True, the new ones were nice and snug. Cheap as chips, so while in there, why not just change them for peace of mind, so no need to go back in there for a long time.
Thank you
🙏
Hi Teacher T! You don't have to remove the swingarm at all. Just remove the plastic cover and stretch the belt. You will save yourself a lot of work. The installation then takes less than an hour. BTW: Thank you so much for the kit, it's awesome!!!
Good solution. But I would mean cutting the plastic stretch cover to get it off? And Robert being Robert would;d want to remove and service the swing arm and check torque also. But on a newish bike sure. Thank you for your comments. Glad you like it. They have sold very well. A few being fitted to brand new bikes. Owners of which would not have bought the Meteor with out this option, which is just amazing. I’m glad to be a small cog in the chain. But all credit goes to Robert 🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand If the assembly is connected with the revision of the swingarm bearings, then it makes sense. My Super Meteor has 3.000 km on it, the revision made no sense. All I had to do was remove the left exhaust, the left muffler, the left plastic swingarm bolt cover and the rear wheel. Half the work with the same result… 😉
@@BureScarver Good point and thanks for mentioning as dropping the swingarm, seems a DYI impediment to some. While the swing arm removal sounds daunting, is really not a big deal, and adds about 10 minutes to the job - more if you have to clean up the oily chain mess. Once the swingarm is removed, it allows deletion of the charcoal cannister, and as you say, servicing the bushing. More than one way to skin a cat....................
I wonder what the pros and cons of a chain guard are with the belt drive? A nicely done video 👍👍.
Thank you 🙏. A chain guard on a metal chain is to help stop the oil flicking around more than protection (only the top half). I know Robert is dead against them on a belt drive. He calls them stone catchers. But it is open for debate. One thing he won’t be designing 😂🙏
Hola, Profesor que tal? Desde Chile, y también profesor. Lo felicito por su video muy bien explicado. Mi SM 650 tiene sólo 2000 km, cuando corresponda cambiarle la transmisión (a los 20 o 30 mil km.) le pondré la transmisión por correa. Aumentará mucho el precio el pedir un kit desde acá? Un abrazo y felicitaciones nuevamente.
Thank you teacher 🙏 I very much doubt you will get 20, 000 km on your original chain and sprocket. 10,000 km if you are lucky. Look at my old sprocket with 7,000 km on it. On it,s way out already. A very good reason to change to belt. Good luck and all the best. Just the postage extra. 🙏
Very interesting swap. I am curious about long term use, still owning a belt driven bike (2002 Bmw F650 CS, bought new) I went though a few issues during bike's life and 3 belts so far (102k km later), notably freshly laid sticky road gravel, which did cause some concerns.
Belt drive bikes have been common since 1985 over millions of km in road applications - fresh laid sticky road gravel is a concern. Having said that, this belt is the latest Gates carbon fiber belt, unlike the one on your BMW, but still a road bike. Yes s**t happens, but I did 160,000 km on the last belt, while living at the end of a 1 km long gravel drive, and pretty sure I might have gone through some roadworks over those 13 years....... I and the other Riders that have covered literally millions of km with a belt drive, cannot be simply that lucky. The belt drive has not only stood the test of time, but a proven concept for a road bike.
That does kind of suck, 122,00 km and 3 belts. Were they ‘Gates’ branded belts?
@@Teacher-T-Thailand Indeed, Gates. And only available from BMW, as they were exclusive dealer for this oem part, at gold plated price...
@@nicolaspechoux1245 As I said earlier, that is not the same carbon fiber tensile cord belt as installed on the Super Meteor. This is a Gates Poly Chain Carbon GT belt and not introduced until 2006-07. As the belt is a common Gates industrial item, price is not in the same range as a gold plated, bike specific, spare part.
In any case, belt drives are for street use.
Hi Teacher
A very intressting Video.
Do you know, where i can get a Workshop Manual from Super Meteor 650? I can't find it.
Thank you. Owner.s manual yes, but service manual no. No one has released one yet that I know of. But here is a guide of service needs at specific km”s. maintenanceschedule.com/royal-enfield-super-meteor-650/
@@Teacher-T-Thailand
Thanks a Lot. 😉👍
Hey Teacher T, was wondering if the S&S big bore 865cc kit can be installed into the Super meteor 650 engine, would love to see that upgrade
I'm sure it can, and Robert is in the middle of doing his on his Interceptor at the moment. But beyond my skills, and not an upgrade I aspire to. But I will report on his Interceptor when done 🙏
Hi...looks great, BUT, for a UK bike does the removal of the chain cover cause MOT fails down the road do you know?
Good question. Unsure is the answer. It does state chain, sprockets and chain guard are checked. But it’s not a chain. And a chain guard never protects the lower half of the belt. I will check if I can physically put the guard back on in the morning.. 🙏
Not a concern to all riders or to all countries; but if so, then install a guard
Hi mister T, do you have to update the tech card?. Great job.
Thanks. The tech card? If you mean ECU, then no. Just ride straight away like normal 🙏
Hi, TTT. Could you explain a bit more about the gear ratio of the wheel pulley (38T v 40T) and more importantly, the real-world affect? It probably doesn't make much of a difference but I would like to wrap my head around the concept. Thanks.
Sure. The standard rear sprocket on the Meteor 650 has 40 teeth. If we changed this sprocket to one with 38 teeth, it means only 38 links in the chain required to turn the wheel 1 revolution instead of 40. The effect is lower engine rpm at high speed. Which to me is a good thing. Because for a cruiser i always felt the Meteor sounded too high a speed revving engine. Slightly slower acceleration on low speeds, but only milliseconds. Not really noticeable. I constantly gott 26:kpl from my Meteor. Since the belt drive conversion it has achieved 27kpl. Early days yet. I will check over the next few tanks of fuel. So that is a major advantage. Robert has designed the rear sprocket of the belt drive to be an equivalent of 38 teeth of a normal sprocket. Lower revs, better mpg. It's a winner in my view 🙏
Take a look at the gearing explanation on the RSTech webshop, and the chart showing speed vs RPM
@@Teacher-T-Thailand Thank you.
@@robertstraghan9009 Thank you.
is there a list with all the torqes in Newton Meters or Foot-pound and the spares i probably may need (Washer and Rubbers)
All in the video. You have to watch again 😂
The washer can be re used, I just had a new one because it was the 4th time it was off, due to production testing. 🙏
Installing belt drive will come under modification, so it will affect the insurance claims if any accident happened during driving???????
In that case, so would a DNA air filter, after market exhausts, or handle bar modifications. Best to ask your insurance company if you are that worried about it. 🙏
Parece que não precisa adaptar quase nada para isso e tive a impressão de que nem a balanca da suspensão precisa tirar para este processo!
Removing and replacing the rear wheel is the hardest job. 🙏
Do you have te specs of the belt, is it (Gates 14MGT-1890 -20mm)?
It's certainly a Gates belt. Details are here. You can ask for specifics. rstech.my-online.store/product/royal-enfield-650-belt-drive
Which belt size and pitch use for this system ??
It's a gates Polycarbonate GT belt. Details on website in video description 🙏
Faz um vídeo rodando com a motocicleta 🇧🇷🏍
Yes I plan to soon after at least 500km on the belt 🙏
Faced any power lag as compared to chain drive?
I can give you a long and complicated engineering explanation, should you wish to PM me, but the short answer is no. Here is an unbiased US Dept of Energy report giving that 98% efficiency, and comparing to V-belts www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/04/f15/replace_vbelts_motor_systemts5.pdf
And a technical paper of chain VS belt with the same result: core.ac.uk/download/pdf/55693235.pdf
Not at all, and so far better mpg / kpl, but need another couple of tanks of fuel to be used ti confirm 100% 🙏
Amazing how the belt tension changes when the wheel rotates because the rear sprocket was fitted off of centre 😮
Nope. The rear axel is not fully tensioned until all the adjustments are done. Once torqued as in the video after, bearings align everything, not the rubber cush drive.
You’ve misunderstood my post! Clock the outermost section of the rear sprocket with a dial guage and you’ll be able to see that it’s not running true to the wheel centre from where it was fitted incorrectly. Belt tension or axle torque has no effect whatsoever on how the sprocket has been bolted onto the rear hub. Fortunately an easy fix to rectify. Centralise the sprocket to extend belt life so that the belt is no longer exposed to unnecessary additional constant changes in tension. I’ve taken the time to centre the rear sprocket on my chain driven bike and regularly get 9000 miles between adjustments with just 47 horses dumped on the drive chain.
Sounds interesting, Is this belt drive available for the Triumph Speed 400.
Now there is a question! I will ask for you
@@Teacher-T-Thailand In the future if there is any kit to modify for belt driver for my bike. I will opt for it.
To my knowledge that is not yet available, nor have I looked if it is feasible - not all bikes are. - I am eyeing up my T-120 Bonneville for a belt right now......................
beau travail.savez-vous s il existe un revendeur sur l Europe!! merci
Yes, they will post world wide, already posted to Europe. Link to website in video description. 🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand Thank you for your response, unfortunately it is impossible to validate an order via the included site.
@@pam493 ahhh yes, They are out of stock at the moment. Selling very well. They should get more stock in the next 2 weeks. Try the website again then 🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand 👍thank you and another very nice video until the next time
@pam493 J'ai commandé un kit belt-drive pour mon RE Super Meteor 650. Il arrivera et, espérons-le, sera installé d'ici juin 24. Je suis dans le Cher (18). Je serai heureux de vous montrer les résultats. Rob
Is it success
Nearly 1,000 Km now on the belt so far. Everything ok
How to get it in india?
Already some sold and shipped to India. It can be ordered here: www.royalenfieldbeltdrive.com/product-page/super-meteor-shotgun-650-belt-drive-kits. 🙏
It's hard seems to be
Yes Yoda it is easy not. But you can show this video to skilled mechanics which will help them fit the drive 😂🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand yes..thanks
Life of this belt ?
If tensioned correctly and checked every 3,000 km, reports of 100 00 to 150,000 km. It's an Industrial Gates Poly carbonate belt.
Sacrilege...!!!!
*Crap Game*
So is dripping oil all over the roads and into the environment every year from a chain. 😂🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand Heathen...! 😂
But each to their own... Ride safe 👍
*Crap Game* 🎉
What if you don't own a over hanging curb?😂
Some belt dive installers have reported just disconnecting the suspension at the bottom, and lowering the swing arm when the bike is on the centre stand. There is just enough room to evolve the wheel tilted at an angle, but it is tight. 🙏