James Fallon, PhD: The Psychopath Inside
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- What makes a killer? UC Irvine neuroscientist Dr. James Fallon has unique insight into the brains of psychopaths - one that surprised him, and provides us with a compelling demonstration of nature vs nuture... or is it nature and nuture? 400 people packed Pearl Stable to hear him speak about his riveting personal history with psychopathy.
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Is this what they mean when they say psychopaths are extremely charming?
Listening to him, hes very likeable and his humour puts you at ease. The atmosphere is inviting. I would never be on guard talking to / confiding in him if I didn't know about his diagnosis.
Its very jarring to hear him casually mention his daughter saying hes a narcissist, his wife saying hes a character in Silence of the Lamb, his family thinking the diagnosis "makes sense" and him being absolutely oblivious.
Make no mistake, people! He's no angel, lol. He has a great sense of humour, but if his wife was not surprised at the revelation of him being a psychopath and compared him to fictional psychos, it's because it can't have been too easy or funny for her on her side.
You’re not kidding. From an interview with him:
And as I was growing up, people all throughout my life said I could be some kind of gang leader or mafioso don because of certain behavior. Some parents forbade their children from hanging out with me. They’d wonder how I turned out so well-a family guy, successful, professional, never been to jail and all that.
I asked everybody that I knew, including psychiatrists and geneticists that have known me for a long time, and knew my bad behavior, what they thought. They went through very specific things that I had done over the years and said, “That’s psychopathic.” I asked them why they didn’t tell me and they said, “We did tell you. We’ve all been telling you.” I argued that they had called me crazy, and they all said, “No. We said you’re psychopathic.”
The very end of the speech, about ways to reverse psychopathy, is so interesting, and I wish I could hear more about that.
This is my husband to a tee… non violent psychopath with all the epigenetic adversity from childhood, a horrendous childhood, a psychopathic severely emotionally disordered alcoholic mother. He’s an alcoholic and diagnosed bipolar. The first time I experienced real empathy from him was when he was taking antipsychotics…. It was brief… but it was there. It’s gone now, and he mostly tries to get through life by. being a pretender. He often just asks me what specific things I need him to do or act like so I’m ‘happy’…. But, I am already happy in my own self/ life…. It’s that he cannot emotionally love or emote… I simply keep asking for emotional love, and he’s bewildered. He shows absolutely no genuine care or concern for me or the kids on an emotional level. Hes at the top in the car industry and highly manipulative. He’s done some of the most evil vengeful things to me based solely on an assumption he had, no facts. He is jeckyl and hyde. And hyde is terrifying…. But…. He’s not physically violent…. Though his cunningness and charm allows him to gain pity and sympathy anywhere he goes, and he escapes nearly all consequences of his transgressions. He lacks all emotional depth, and is a master at knowing the right time/ things to say to get what he wants. He presents himself as a meek, ‘nice’, passive and very quiet man… or he talks very quietly… to evoke that he is gentle…. But… he is absolutely not gentle. My daughter and I live in an emotional straightjacket in our home because our emotions send him into rage and punishment. He has no ability to see our emotions with curiosity or care. On the flip side he is the most emotionally unstable, mentally unstable person I’ve ever met, despite his veneer of stability which he achieves using a strong ability to suppress emoting all negative emotions. He sees this as superior. I see it all as… well…. Psycho.
Read ‘psychopath free’ if you have a loved one who seems a lot like the man in the video…. It will help you a lot.
Same as always, your greatest hope is a parent or parents who would give you proper nurture and love in your childhood. If you're psychopath, the emphasis or it goes 100x more important. It's not a 100% fool proof, but without it, a psychopath does not stand a chance.
I agree the upbringing of a child is paramount to whether they become a productive/caring member of society. I have tried to contact Dr. Fallon to have the tests done that he has in order to determine my predisposition to this as I have all the tell-tale signs. I was brought up in a somewhat loving/religious family and I think it has made all the difference in my staying on the straight and narrow in life. I guess it shouldn't really matter whether I find out if I have a psychopaths brain but I just feel it would help to explain some of the disadvantages I've faced throughout my life.
Actually being an intelligent psychopath will likely give you a leg up in life and more likely makes you a Fortune 500 executive than a murderer
That would be a sociopath not a psychopath. A psychopath is born that way. Cannot be changed. A sociopath is created through nurture. Receiving no love or affection, extreme trauma etc. that’s what you’re talking about. This is the most basic understanding of psychopaths and sociopaths
I actually got a couple of questions that I found during the talk:
1) It seems that there are a focus on the limbic system, so if you have a"psychopathic deficiency" in the limbic system, how would you, knowing that the nerve-system have plactitcy, train or affect that in a more "non-psycopatic" direction? Are there specific drugs that can be used? Context based behavioral theraphies ?
2) Knowing the facts found by research, is it then posible to screen for genetic and family historic markers, to identify and influence say: very young kids in a direction where they have less change of developing full psycopathy from a more focused nurturing perspective. Do's and don'ts in kindergarden, schools, and other social settings.
3) Again plasticity of the brain: In what degree can a person, due to a bad environment and things that happens in life, go from a "non-psycopatic" behavioral pattern to a more "psycophatic", and are there any data on the social setting "creating" psycopathy?
I think I learned pretty early on that they don’t arrest you for being crazy they arrest you for acting crazy. So I can walk around undercover for a long time.
Exactly. You cìan be batshit crazy and never see the inside if a prison or psych hospital.
It’s like there are extremes on the end of a spectrum ~ psychopaths and highly sensitive empaths. Early trauma and lack of a nourishing childhood can damage people on either side of that range with differing results...
I agree with the spectrum but trauma and negative experiences play a role in sociopathy, not psychopathy.
@@nina.k666 Sociopathy is just another word for type 2 psychopathy, also negative experiences can have an insane impact on developing psychopaths. That's why there's a difference between the successful happy ones and the ones in jail
I would add that a difference between a psychopath and empath may be that, in my observation, empaths champion thier condition as a positive attribute towards other, more often than a true psychopath would, which in turn would seem to be a manipulative symptom
Great talk! He indicates that he is a narcissist. It seems his OCD along with his good upbringing (empathic friends and family) created a petri dish for him to develop into an upstanding member in society. Regarding the nature nurture theory, nurture was proven here. Glad I stumbled across this
Same, thank you.
LMAOO OCD, it's not ocd it's the urge to be perfectionist all the time
Fabulous talk, thank you, gives me hope. Bless you.
I believe him to be in the Corporate Psychopath category due to upbringing education opportunities and nurturing adults in his younger family life bringing continuous stability and security. I would love to know his behaviour change if he is under threat or what “we” may know as fear/ humiliation etc.
If he had no other opportunity to showcase himself, and enjoy an ascribed status, I’m sure his behavior would shift to more typical antisocial conduct. He would find any convenient way to exercise power, and feed into his narcissistic grandiosity. I think the secret to his success is the opportunities to be the center of attention, and regularly having a stage to superficially charm an audience of strangers with no interpersonal ties to himself. His ideas are predicated on the need for psychopaths, but most significant examples he gives are to combat problems caused by other psychopaths. Basically, I think he’s a psychopath that’s full of shit, and funded by other “successful” corporate psychopaths. Empathy is the foundation of egalitarian society, which is hindered by these very people. Interesting, sure, but not at all worthy of trust or status.
Notice how he said they know what you are thinking and how you are feeling. He's a psychopath, cause they assume they know your thoughts and feelings without asking. Psychic abilities. I like the studies he has done. This is the first time I was actually able to see the charming side of a psychopath. He's funny too. I wonder if there is a such thing as a low functioning psychopath and a high functioning psychopath?
Yes. One is in jail. The other is on the Forbes 100 list.
Yes there is however neuroscience and psychology hasnt caught up to proper classify any of these people. A low functioning psychopath studies show are far more likely to end up in jail then not. However a highfunctioning is also likely to end up jail though not as much. There are functional psychopaths and a low functioning and high functioning can both be functional in that they can live in society out of jail.
Yes, he’s exactly that, a psychopath, functioning. The difference was nurturing. He received nurturing during his infancy, young toddler age. He’s a neuroscientist, studies Serial killers MRI of their brains. Discovered by accident, he is a psychopath.
Yes I’m another interview somewhere he said he took the standardized test I think he said he took Hare’s PCL-R they have to figure that out and he said she scored as psychopathic. A score of 30-40 is considered psychopathic 40 being extremely psychopathic usually murders and criminals who are psychopathic score around 40 so I’m guessing he was closer to 30.
The low functioning ones are in prison. The high functioning ones are controlling the world.
Thank you very much. Many things you have disclosed are similar to what I believe. Psychopathy is much more complex than how we often hear about it. It was reassuring to hear you speak on this topic and glad to hear about possible directions for improvement in the lives of humans.
This is some amazing information especially at the end. I want to know more. Thank you Dr. Fallon.
Grieving biochemically resets the Shame 'mechanism'. It is time that society provides a context in which the Psychopath can grieve. And it doesn't need to be a consensual and willful act.
Excellent clarification of a very complex and conflicted psychological situation for everyone. This is courageous but not really for the speaker, who is giving an outstanding presentation of effective Scientific Methodology, studies and research. Thank you.
The reason he skips around . . 1/2 psychopath and 1/2 Italian, us italians do this at the dinner table. JF your awesome
As a psp myself it would be nice to meet this guy.
One of the best talks I have ever heard
Agreed.
Wonderful speaker.
If this isn’t an angle, he’s done a great service for humanity with this information. Even if he can’t care about that and is doing this just because it’s interesting. I’ve got a couple of psychopaths in my family, so I find this fascinating. If any of it’s true remains to be seen 🤔
I think a lot of things are an angle for him. I imagine that he experiments a lot.
It could be an angle but at least we're getting something out of it too lol
Wow! Hope for remedy on an epigenetic level..?!!🧐 Stellar!
He is right about people in Norway, don`t like to talk so much about mental health or disorders.
Most cultures Don't
I can't tell if he is making a psychopath look good or psychopaths are making him look bad. Either way, I know firsthand from having married one, but it is not a pretty picture and he has to be uncomfortable on the inside on some level
I don’t think a psychopath would feel uncomfortable in any sense - they usually lack a fear or anxiety response. But how did you guys get into a relationship? Don’t have to answer but I am curious why they would want relationships
I don't trust this guy. But fascinating talk.
Because he is a psychopath lol
Question is what's in it for him. If people don't trust him, he is jabbering for nothing. He could've kept it a secret. I would have.
this was super! And JF has a right to be proud because he is realy special and strong. Its to bad that he cant feel what empaths feel for his sake. but for the world its very good that he is the way he is.
And I realy would like to know more of heritage betwen generations.
i have bpd but i am aware of the fact that the thoughts are crazy when they happen and don't act on them. does that make me not personality disordered?
In BPD you can know what you are doing. Good for you that you have good self control skills.
No you’re still disordered
Maybe, the capacity to inhibit the acting on crazy ideas may speak to the fact that would make you bad. Often the diagnostic issues relate to the patient to as well as the doctor.
I wonder how is a combination of a strong conscience and empathy (neither of which psychopath have) and strong tendency for violence called? Is that even a thing in some handbook.
What I mean, I'm not normally aggressive, yet might turn to "take no prisoners!' kind of rage instantly, when encountering a threat to me or people close to me.
Also got pretty strong beliefs in justice and wrong and right, so I used to joke, in than past i might have become an inquisitor, to which lady I know once joked, would I burn her as a witch then? To which I answered: "I might be insanely cruel, yet I'm not a sadist, so I'd cut your throat first, and only then light up the fires." She has never joked about that since, wonder why.
Where can I find the 2nd part?
Great question - we just created a playlist for the Fallon videos: ruclips.net/p/PL0oolWmqPP6dZCw6quFqGnAQiAuRkzvok
Thank goodness for this man because we aren't all serial killers. Some of us have control and don't go around abusing people. Nor do we want to because we all didn't grow up in crazy homes. narcissism is 100% worse because all of them do the same thing bad things 24/7.
How annoying though when men call me overly emotional. Just because I'm a woman. I don't show any and they assume due to other women who are like children impulsive and overacting to everything.
Men would have good reason to doubt you. 1 in 100 men are psychopaths. 1 in 2000 women are phsycopaths. Women tend to be more agreeable and neurotic. So those genes would be much more rare to your gender. I'm probably not a psychopath. I think it's ridiculous to self diagnose. Also I don't care what I am.
Lndin Galle huh
Lndin Galle have you been diagnosed?
What is the name of his Book ?? plz 🤔
The Psychopath Inside
He had so much to talk that’s why he was rushing and stuttering during most of his speech. If he had slowed down a bit and stayed calm it would have been more enjoyable. Interesting lecture though...! : )
It's a symptom I think.
It were reet once I got me ear in.
Does anybody have a reference to the transoposable elements between sperm he mentions? I've never heard of this and doubt it's true.
JasonSobieskiMusic pubmed is your friend.
That was actually news to me as well. I could be wrong but molecularly I dont see genetic material being passed between sperm in the uterus being feasible.
www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/08/15/male-dna-is-often-found-in-womens-brains-where-does-it-come-from/
I looked it up online and there have been experiments and the results of the experiments are, to me, disturbing.
Lots of errors. Transposons are not retroviruses. I don't know what is the data for transposons reaching the egg from sperm...Mosaicism from multiple fathers ???? Caution warranted with this guy
It's funny, we now know what he and his wife saw in each other better than they did.
I know exactly what I am and what I'm capable of.
...and?
And what is that ? Good or bad ?
Bro that that was cringe
Can someone explain, is James Fallon a real psychopath? Or just bc of that brain scan (similar brain).
He aint no psycho he made that pic himself
He indicates that he is a narcissist. I believe his OCD, his good upbringing (empathic friends and family)created a petri dish for him to develop into a upstanding member in society. Basically, the nature nurture theory specifically nurture was proven here.
Well he could be a borderline psychopath (BPD separates diagnosis from ASPD/psychopathy) but I doubt that. He does show al the traits for narcissism. If his research about brain scans is legitimate, I would be eager to hear more more research being done on how brain scans can be used to identify psychopaths with precision. Psychopaths do have some actual physical differences unlike sociopaths where they wont produce oxytocin, as well as smaller amygdala’s typically.
I believe he completed a psychopath assessment (maybe Robert Hare's Psychopathy Checklist?) and was on the borderline. It was brought up in an interview he did.
Borderline psychopath at PCL R test , but he also have the brain of a psychopath, you know...smaller amygdala, low activity on the pre frontal part of the brain and you know..stuff like that, the nurture said it all, the loving family of him make him a better person, a better psycho to be said
Dr Fallon I have been diagnosed with aspd mdd (severe) gad. my question is am I a sociopath or psychopath because of this diagnosis. I am scared about what kind of person I may really be. your insight would be greatly appreciated.
don greene sychopaths don't get scared 👉stupid
I'm not Dr. Fallon but I can help hopefully. Sociopathy and psychopathy are not personality traits that are cultivated by experiences and environmental factors; they are inherited just like as an individual is born with black, blonde or red hair. The color of your hair isn't changed by anything (except for dying it) and likewise your traits cannot be changed (however controlled). ASPD and MDD are conditions that are created from how you perceive your environment as you grow from childhood to adulthood, your personality traits influence this. The fact that this bothers you is actually a good thing. True psychopaths do not experience fear the way that the average person does; it takes extreme measures for them to feel any sense of impending doom, hence the fact that you DO experience this anxiety means you are not a psychopath. Also, by definition sociopaths lack empathy or concern for the thoughts and well being or the feelings of others. Again, since you fear that you may act in a way that will potentially harm others reveals that you do care about others to a certain extent and you are therefore not a sociopath.
The Patriot yes they do, their bar is just set significantly higher than that of the average person.
Don Greene, by MDD and GAD included in your ASPD diagnosis.. do you mean Major Depressive Disorder, and Generalized Anxiety Disorder ?.....It is surprising that you did not ask your psychiatrist such important question(s) ..... 1. Anti Social PD belongs to a group of Personality Disorders that are known as : Dramatic, Erratic, Unpredictable, Sadistic, Manipulative, Lacking Conscience and with it Remorse...... 2. The only one, out of 4 in that group, with MDD - is a Borderline PD...but this PD's issue is not GAD, it's psychosis instead.
I have experienced anxiety and depression..or I Think so..but not sure...just physical symptoms , being tired and unfocused, it was just like a bad day for a few sec
The neuroscience is so oversimplified it is hard to relate to what he is saying other than the fact that the environment plays a huge part of the result of the kind of adult we become! So what's new! He overdramatizes the connection between having a risk-prone temperament, having been spoiled, and being a psychopath. You could say jerk or bombastic or overly self-centered, self-involved human being, but so was Picasso. Just because your amygdala does not light up in an fMRI does not mean it is not engaged as the threshold for detection by that device requires high levels of engagement. And then there is the PFC which can dampen the amygdala; all work by LeDoux that is well established. What idiot-psychiatrists thought it was a good idea to tell this narcissist that he is some borderline psychopath to give him a platform in his old age for talking and talking and talking about himself? What this tells you is that it is post-genetic expression that matters a great deal more in terms of the encoded operational strategies that an individual engages in order to obtain optimal outcomes which are rewarded and that those innate influences get tuned by one's experience!
This guy wears me out trying to follow his verbal rhythm
It's actually part of psychopathy. They are more likely to use words like "um" or "uh" or repeat words over and over very quickly like this guy does.
Sara Taylor what study is that from?
@@MotleygnrCrue if you watch HG Tudor or Sam Vakin, that is not true of them at all. Quite the opposite.
I would also be interested in the source of that information
I just had the impression that his mouth couldn't keep up with his brain.He had too much to say .BTW,I recognised a lot of the indicators for psychopathy ,as my daughter has a chromosomal ,genetic condition that means she has no empathy.I've tried teaching her over the years,with some success,but I think she;s copied us and "talks the talk" without understanding it.She also has a very high pain threshold.When she gets mad it's a meltdown and we have ways of coping with that.She has trouble "Reading" peoples' faces-Recognising certain emotions on photos/drawings of people is difficult for her.Other problems include temperature control,poor muscle tone ,short stature ,poor sexual development and uncontrolled appetite.And 20 years ago,her paediatrician suggested my daughter might benefit from Oxytocin.I said no,because she had few behavioural problems then,but I was wrong.On reflection,she would have benefited from having it for reasons other than the occasional angry outburst.
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I wish I could be like this .You cant get hurt
Me too
not true, psychos get anrgy very easily, it's the only emotion they experiece
Honestly you don’t. You will never feel that nice warm fuzzy feeling of connection with other ppl and with things.
Oops! Ever heard of past life recall? Kinda messes up the idea that genetic expression has the most to do with personality. Supports, by the way, the "not tabula rasa" finding. Talk about not being a blank slate! How about millions of years of suppressed (sub-conscious) experience?
dearest JF,,,,You are a psychopath,,,,may We, in the World community, have the opportunity to try and activate tour frontal lobes,,,,when Sciences are ready to do IT with the utmost compassion and clinical observation,,,,,,?
and JF RUclips do not have empathy,,,,,,keep the honesty going❤️
bugger danish autocorrect, you❤️ not RUclips,,,,thank you for letting us see you,,,,,,tour effort Buys You a soul,,,,,,,
You do act IT out,,,,,your daughter told You,,,,,drunks and children tell??? Where do i send the flowers for your wife❤️
It's his brain structure that makes him experience emotions the way he does. Activating his limbic system would not make a difference for him.
And anyway, I doubt any psychopath would want to feel emotions. They are content with the way they are.
@@TheAsperik When you ape emotions in time you develope a kind of crude understanding of them. The problem comes with the more subtle emotions. Guilt, sympathy and respect. Much harder to imitate believably. So hard it's just easier to skip them entirely and change the subject. Masks and mirrors folks.
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Dr lizard loves his Tongue
Excellent, informative & enjoyable talk!
Early childhood development has been known to be critically important to the rest of a person’s life. Babies are programmed with the equivalent to DOS, in that time.
If a baby’s “DOS” system is corrupted (by abuse, neglect, malnutrition, etc. vs. nurtured, encourage, & taught solid useful things) during the 1st 3 to 5 years, & depending on how much good & bad things influence their DOS, it has better or worse foundations to build the rest of their lives on.
So….he’s just now discovering this? He’s old enough to have been around as an adult when Erickson launched his thesis about it.
But, it doesn’t help industries, & society, systems & officials have chronically ignored this, because, if they counted this factor, they couldn’t justify the budget cuts done that killed programs that help stop the problem.
Like, the programs in Britain, & the US, that had a licensed nurse go to the home of a newborn, weekly for some months, then reducing to twice a month, then down to monthly until the child reaches about age 5 to 7. If another baby joins the family, the visits revert to weekly, etc. It supported the whole family, not just the children.
What supports a family, influences how well that family makes their way in the world.
The collateral effects were pervasive & significant…talking large, countable, cost savings, because the programs remediate & reduced abuse, neglect, frustration, dysfunctional behaviors.
The officials who cancelled the programs “because they cost too much”, had failed to wait to see the effects & savings the programs caused.
But this guy has helped substantiate it far better, by including the epigenetic factor, & the scans.
Psychopaths are the cause of 95% if the world's misery.
I have a suggestion. Slow down. You speak too fast.
Good looking lol yeah okay
I can't watch this.
Robin Lindberg ok then?????
Penny Kent Why?
Neuroscientist Dr. Kent Kiehl says Dr. Fallon is not a Psychopath.
There are two sets of psychopathic traits. One set deals with sort of baseline personality. The other deals with criminality/behavioral traits. I score very high on the psychopathy test for personality traits, but low on the criminality. There are people who would therefore dismiss me as a psychopath, but there's not another condition that fits me as well (lack of empathy, low emotional affect, etc.). Kiehl's work is very focused on people who have extreme criminal behavior, so clearly that's not me or Dr. Fallon. But I had a very safe childhood with very clear moral instructions where good behavior was enabled and expected, and more importantly I accepted those values and the existence of God...without that I would have killed or at least attempted to kill at least a couple people. It's honestly very frustrating, because almost no other condition is primarily studied in prisons rather than the general population. Imagine mainly studying depression in prisons rather than the general population and how that would skew findings.
boooooooo
Can't we say it's a step in human evolution? They are better in alot of things and yes they don't play with rules of bad or good but, this is told by religion. What is the difference between some religion tell you the lie you will life for ever after your death or a psychopath that abuse that most people are complete idiots for his own gain? Or do we forget about the wealth, witch hunts and crusades and only pick out the people that do the same in singular form?
No. It's not. The root of all evil and conflict in this world from the beginning of us have been people who don't feel empathy. So cannot be "evolution".
Humans evolved to HAVE empathy because it’s actually beneficial to our survival. Cooperation was crucial to build the foundations of civilization, and it’s easier if you’re helping out because you actually care about your fellow humans, even if you profit off of it. While psychopaths tend to be very successful on account of being more logical and not letting feelings interfere, they wouldn’t move a muscle to help humanity progress unless there’s something in it for them (money, glory, fame, etc). Don’t tell me that all them corporate psychopaths running the world are a step in human evolution, because they’re are actually driving us back,
This guy is such a liar and a bad one at that. He’s been trying to convince people he’s a functioning narcissistic psycho for so long; any good journalist can easily poke holes at his marketing ploy
I havent seen this guy before. What else has he done?
I dont trust this guy at all
Cool story bro, got anything in non-fiction? Tricky attention seeking angle, bravo. Just tell every one you're a psychopath, I bet my friend who went vegan wishes he had thought of that, he's having a hard time convincing every one that he cares about animals so unfortunately they don't look up to him the way he looks down on them.
lol. i remember the Fallon guy being featured on a show with a professor or whatever from Oxford University. I'm pretty sure the video is right here on youtube, i just dont have the link. Basically, the professor makes it quite clear through simple and precise reasoning that Fallon isn't a psychopath but *solely* a narcissist. He goes on to explain that this whole "Fallon is a psychopath" story is simply the clown wanting attention. Pretty childish, if you ask me. But hey, that's narcissism for you. A narcissist's personality mirrors that of a spoiled 5 year old's.
David Benes totally agree with you, but he could be doing worse things. I am happy he found a way to channel his energy, and he's very productive. Imagine meeting an unproductive psychopath. Trouble! I think a sociopath, psychopath, antisocial person can be a narcissist. I think there are underlining conditions that produce narcissism in a person. Narcissism can be the result of another mental health problem.
David Benes I can’t imagine, although possible, all of his family and colleagues and other professionals would back him on a lie.
This makes total sense to me. ''Tis exactly what I was thinking.
Narcissism and narcissistic personality disorder aren’t the same. Although this guy can’t be a psychopath if he’s a narcissist because they don’t coexist.