Absolutely the return. Anyone who appreciates playing tennis or pickleball hitting high percentage shots knows this is key. Louis - guarantee that Titan will help your game immensely simply from hitting a S load of returns consistently deep with precision.
My question at 57:03 made the cut! Thanks, Louis and Justin! Small correction, the current version of Standout's CF3 (14 and 16mm) uses 8mm cells. I've confirmed that with Lu over there. So, still not sure what the "narrow cell" is denoting, but there is definitely a unique feel to it. However, I'm pretty sure you're right about the Ballista but haven't gotten it confirmed. I do know Phantom Pickleball uses 6mm cells in some of their paddles. Super curious if any others pop on your guys' radar. I think it's an area ripe for experimentation and would love to see Mark Pickleball dabble into it!
A fun new thought experiment floating around the other podcasts/pro interviews that seems to be gaining traction is capping power (MPH ceiling), but uncapping spin. It seems like the converging opinion being arrived at is that while extra power can be dangerous with less skill, more spin actually raises the skill ceiling of the sport with no impact on injury risk. Daescu specifically mentioned in an interview that extra spin is just another word for more options, and the common opinion that dink battles in doubles are boring to watch as a spectator can be solved by giving players more options with shot selection by giving access to skill-based shot making via access to spin. At the end of the day, it seems like a total win win - increased skill ceiling and a better public viewership relationship. Curious if you guys want to touch on that subject in your next podcast!
There once was a player in shorts, Quite short, for his pickleball sports. With each lively swing, His legs were the thing, Stealing cheers and supportive cohorts 😂
Congrats on making it to episode 10! Don’t have anything funny or insightful to add at the moment, so I thought I’d just say congratulations and thanks for the great content you guys are putting out. Big fan!
Agree about the materials for paddles and up the spin, regulate the game with the ball, like most other sports do, could fix so many issues and the biggest one for communities the noise level complaints!
I forgot how competitive I am, too! Please be careful for injuries I went from not playing competitive sports for about 15 years to jumping into pickleball and immediately going 3 hours a day, 4 days a week playing at a competitive level. So, needless to say, at 40 years of age, I tore my gastronemus calf muscle, and I'm haunting all Luis's videos, wishing he would work faster, lol!
Can't wait for the GB Ultimate. TITAN.FOR THE WIN! Write off. Someday I'll splurge. Been hitting my TUTOR once a week for years. In San Diego a closed Bed Bath & Beyond, the landlord wants 100k a month for the space. On the "small guy" support, review the THOMPSON paddle. Bring the top MPH down, and spin limit up. I.M.O. Great info on "new testing" NO SPEEDO Lewis.
Ohh I can't wait for the Clash reviews. My other favorite tech nerd review guy said great things about the clash's ball feel. He even said it was better than Engage Pursuit Pro, so if Louis also has good information, it will make my next paddle list.
don't worry about being roasted, cause you'll get burnt with how pale your legs look in those short shorts 😂! in all seriousness, congrats on episode 10! keep them coming
You guys are great -- lots if info and humor. Stage-craft notes: the background red lights on both of you -- ? -- not great. Soft focus not needed so much either. Great episode -- thanks for the Honolulu plugs -- I just pre-ordered the J2K Pro 14mm to go with my J3K Pro, J2K Pro and J7K Pro. My three favorite paddle makers are Selkirk, Joola and Honolulu. Also -- I think Gen 3 should be the upper limit -- love my Gen 3 Anna Bright 14mm!
There once was a player named Lou, Whose shorts were incredibly few, On the court he'd delight, In his shorts oh-so-tight, Winning games with a style that was new. POD
Justin, do you design the paddles to exploit certain facets of the game? For example, You said the return of serve is a cheat code, so how would you design a paddle to accentuate that? Thinking out loud here, but if you could cram a bunch of power into a standard shape preserving maneuverability, wouldn’t that be the way to exploit this?
I just got the j2k a couple of weeks ago. Loving it. Put 3g in the MIDDLE of the throats (at each side). Love it more. Then raised the weights to the top of the throats, and it "feels" Much "heavier". So probably this small adjustment have raised the balanse point and the swing weight! I don't have any way to test the numbers. So could you do this experiment and tell us how much those number will change?
gk … I have found a good way to do initial weight addition experimentation is to use the pre-cut 3g strips and duct tape. Don’t peel off the 3g strip backing, cut duct tape strips a little longer than the 3g strips and tape the 3g strips to edge guard. You can even move them around in a play session. I’ve done this for a while, and had always peeled off 3 gram strip backing and stuck them to paddle once I had settled on permanent location. I go by how that paddle feels and plays … so don’t need things like exact swing weight. Interestingly … at the 3-4 week mark with new Apollo, I realized I have never gone back and glued them down permanently. It occurs to me I don’t need to. With the duct tape, and making sure to press down around the edges of the 3g strips, they don’t budge. (not even sure if a little movement might be an advantage … think ProKennex tennis racquets with their moving beads ;). I use black duct tape on the black edge guard, so don’t even notice it. btw … none of it matters without an overgrip. Sorry … was that out loud … I keep hitting players paddles for a few minutes in open play, and I can’t get that greasy slimefest out of my hand fast enough. I won’t even try a paddle anymore with a Hesacore grip … SO WRONG. ;) Edit: I find it helpful to know where the balance point is so you can place weight from that point depending on your goal (below balance point to not add to swing weight, above to add to swing weight). I use a thin dowel rod and just push from handle end and mark place with painters tape where paddle toppled forward. Good luck with your experimentations … we are all mad paddle scientists now.
Bread and butter Gherkin What is the next pickle type going to be used in a paddle? Kosher to compete with the j2k? I'm hoping for a raw paddle named cucumber.
@pickleballpursuit Louis, you should spin around slowly in your chair so you can complete that gyro meat cooking in vertical grill look you have going on in your latest videos. It might help darken those white thighs poking out your short shorts. Thanks. ❤ MattyRut NERD
May have missed this, but did they address testing paddles after "break in"? Many of the hard hitting paddles have changing characteristics after some play time.
Q: instead of cores being cut out of huge sheets, I think I’ve heard electrum forms their cores so no cut edges. Could doing this allow a company to either have smaller cells in the sweet spot and wider cells around the edges or something like firmer edges and softer sweet spot (or vice versa)? Maybe even one type of PP in the sweet spot and another type around the edges? How far can this be taken?
USAP's new testing was initially called the "BS" test- which of course, stands for "Ball Speed" test. Realizing, 3 months later, that the new Proton "Nuk'em" powered by a small fission reactor in the paddle might not pass anymore, they allowed content creators to directly e-mail them with suggestions on which paddles should be legal, with the exception of Pickleball Pursuit- the official reason being "they're not cool enough." USAP received feedback from dozens of notable content creators like "Blane Abirtwil", "Tennisball Shill" and "Fry-Day Pickleball." Following the receipt of feedback from thousands of podcasters, brand ambassadors, and definitely not AI generated ads, USAPA approved the Zane Navatil Pro-XR, the Six Zero Triple Black Diamond, Friday Pickleball paddles and any paddle purchased on Temu. Commenting on the anticipated success of the new rules, USAP announced "random rule changes based on the whims of content creators are fun, so expect to see more of them....or don't, ooooh", as a puff of smoke burst from the podium.
I've got the perfect answer for this. We had a full 12 minute segment in Episode 2 covering all the different types of edge tape and how they affect your paddle. ruclips.net/video/MayXaszMwA8/видео.htmlsi=RHpSSMw0lJPYyDd2&t=849
@@PickleballPursuit so use Braydon’s head tape and counter balance at the handle to maintain balance/maneuverability because the head tape will slightly increase plow trough cause I use an elongated. Did I get that right? Haha
For Justin - best pickleball related Cards Against Humanity card would be what? (Maybe something like - 'Ben Johns Drilling a Forehand Right to Your ____.' Or 'You can shave my beard right after you _____ me in pickleball.' For Lewis - booby prize - a pair of Lewis's short shorts (hopefully washed). Constructive criticism - share when the contest ends, what the winner will get, etc. Also, lighten up (your videos - it looks like you're recording in your closets). Keep up the good work!
Coming from a Ruby, I had a j7k pro and it felt way too stiff for me on hits. The j2k was more what I was used to. Does the j3k pro feel like the j7k pro?
J3K Pro and J7K Pro are at opposite ends of the spectrum and performance. Both are stiff (especially in the first 20-30 hours), but the J3K has slightly more plushness and larger sweet spot, but all the Pro models are a very similar stiff feeling and high power return.
I just got the Monarch all-court and played with it today. The Monarch Rocks! It's probably the best paddle I've played with, and I've played with a lot of paddles. I got the J2K also, and in my opinion, that paddle is over-rated. I find it clunky and don't like it. This is just my opinion, though.
Well you can remember me as the guy you should have listened to that extended a respectable shorts olive branch. These chances in life don’t come around that often. Bad at pickleball, bad judgement and bad shorts is the bad pickleball trifecta. I have to admit I’m a little sad that I will now only be able to watch the top half of the screen in your paddle review videos … some things you just can’t unsee. What is the podcast lighting theme … seems like maybe vampire den adjacent. Maybe dirty paddle manufacturing secrets isn’t Justin’s only secrets. I will pass on any “prize winning” … no way I’m giving my address to vampires.
If I win this giveaway then everyone in the pickleball youtube giveaway space will know all the giveaways are rigged because I've already won a few random giveaways haha.
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Congrats on episode 10! Keep up the good work.
Absolutely the return. Anyone who appreciates playing tennis or pickleball hitting high percentage shots knows this is key. Louis - guarantee that Titan will help your game immensely simply from hitting a S load of returns consistently deep with precision.
I agree with Louis, gen 2 thermoformed paddles should be the limit for power. Congrats on making it to pod #10, looking forward to 11.
Louis = Holger Rune 😮 can’t unsee it
My question at 57:03 made the cut! Thanks, Louis and Justin! Small correction, the current version of Standout's CF3 (14 and 16mm) uses 8mm cells. I've confirmed that with Lu over there. So, still not sure what the "narrow cell" is denoting, but there is definitely a unique feel to it. However, I'm pretty sure you're right about the Ballista but haven't gotten it confirmed. I do know Phantom Pickleball uses 6mm cells in some of their paddles. Super curious if any others pop on your guys' radar. I think it's an area ripe for experimentation and would love to see Mark Pickleball dabble into it!
Let’s Gooooo!!! Love this podcast. Nerd food for us paddle geeks.
A fun new thought experiment floating around the other podcasts/pro interviews that seems to be gaining traction is capping power (MPH ceiling), but uncapping spin.
It seems like the converging opinion being arrived at is that while extra power can be dangerous with less skill, more spin actually raises the skill ceiling of the sport with no impact on injury risk. Daescu specifically mentioned in an interview that extra spin is just another word for more options, and the common opinion that dink battles in doubles are boring to watch as a spectator can be solved by giving players more options with shot selection by giving access to skill-based shot making via access to spin. At the end of the day, it seems like a total win win - increased skill ceiling and a better public viewership relationship.
Curious if you guys want to touch on that subject in your next podcast!
Don’t Stop the Train. Love the pod and nerd talk
There once was a player in shorts,
Quite short, for his pickleball sports.
With each lively swing,
His legs were the thing,
Stealing cheers and supportive cohorts 😂
🤣
Thanks for the explanation! Now you make me wanna get the J3K Pro too. And i am looking forward to a lot more episodes
Congrats on making it to episode 10! Don’t have anything funny or insightful to add at the moment, so I thought I’d just say congratulations and thanks for the great content you guys are putting out. Big fan!
Agree about the materials for paddles and up the spin, regulate the game with the ball, like most other sports do, could fix so many issues and the biggest one for communities the noise level complaints!
Monarch All Court is dope!
I forgot how competitive I am, too! Please be careful for injuries I went from not playing competitive sports for about 15 years to jumping into pickleball and immediately going 3 hours a day, 4 days a week playing at a competitive level. So, needless to say, at 40 years of age, I tore my gastronemus calf muscle, and I'm haunting all Luis's videos, wishing he would work faster, lol!
Q: does Mark Pickleball acquire and cut open/dissect the most unique new paddles on the market?
New engage paddles have larger cell size which is how they lightened the paddle but kept the power
Product placement ...... makes me laugh every time 😂
Can't wait for the GB Ultimate. TITAN.FOR THE WIN! Write off. Someday I'll splurge. Been hitting my TUTOR once a week for years.
In San Diego a closed Bed Bath & Beyond, the landlord wants 100k a month for the space.
On the "small guy" support, review the THOMPSON paddle.
Bring the top MPH down, and spin limit up. I.M.O. Great info on "new testing"
NO SPEEDO Lewis.
Ohh I can't wait for the Clash reviews. My other favorite tech nerd review guy said great things about the clash's ball feel. He even said it was better than Engage Pursuit Pro, so if Louis also has good information, it will make my next paddle list.
The giveaway should be some pickleball pursuit podcast branded short shorts
lemons into lemonade … next level … genius
Can’t wait to see the maverick pro review!! Thanks
don't worry about being roasted, cause you'll get burnt with how pale your legs look in those short shorts 😂! in all seriousness, congrats on episode 10! keep them coming
You guys are great -- lots if info and humor. Stage-craft notes: the background red lights on both of you -- ? -- not great. Soft focus not needed so much either. Great episode -- thanks for the Honolulu plugs -- I just pre-ordered the J2K Pro 14mm to go with my J3K Pro, J2K Pro and J7K Pro. My three favorite paddle makers are Selkirk, Joola and Honolulu. Also -- I think Gen 3 should be the upper limit -- love my Gen 3 Anna Bright 14mm!
You want a rib? This is the podcast you get when your order pickleball studio on shien or wish. I kid. I respect the hustle
Congrats on 10! Looking forward to the fat boy review…
If I ever play against Louis, I’m calling hindrance on his shorts and legs😂
rules make no sense … 3 gen Joola illegal but those shorts legal
There once was a player named Lou,
Whose shorts were incredibly few,
On the court he'd delight,
In his shorts oh-so-tight,
Winning games with a style that was new. POD
I with you Louis - G2 Thermoformed, limit.
Lewis' red light makes him look like he has a window in the red light district in Amsterdam
Sounds like a dream job!
Nice podcast. My favorite paddle is HUDEF Viva Pro Gen3. I'll try adding some lead tape.
Body Helix X2/X3 Pro as well as Chorus Shapeshifter all use small cell PP core. The Body Helix uses aramid fibers combined with the PP core.
Justin, do you design the paddles to exploit certain facets of the game? For example, You said the return of serve is a cheat code, so how would you design a paddle to accentuate that?
Thinking out loud here, but if you could cram a bunch of power into a standard shape preserving maneuverability, wouldn’t that be the way to exploit this?
Talking about fittings, does the beard make Justin head-light?
The short shorts gang is elite I will die on that hill
Please bury the shorts with you on that hill. ;)
I just got the j2k a couple of weeks ago. Loving it.
Put 3g in the MIDDLE of the throats (at each side). Love it more.
Then raised the weights to the top of the throats, and it "feels" Much "heavier".
So probably this small adjustment have raised the balanse point and the swing weight!
I don't have any way to test the numbers.
So could you do this experiment and tell us how much those number will change?
From experience you probably raised the sw by at least 4 points which is definitely going to be noticeable
@@PickleballPursuit thanks for the the fast reply 👍🏻
gk … I have found a good way to do initial weight addition experimentation is to use the pre-cut 3g strips and duct tape. Don’t peel off the 3g strip backing, cut duct tape strips a little longer than the 3g strips and tape the 3g strips to edge guard. You can even move them around in a play session. I’ve done this for a while, and had always peeled off 3 gram strip backing and stuck them to paddle once I had settled on permanent location. I go by how that paddle feels and plays … so don’t need things like exact swing weight.
Interestingly … at the 3-4 week mark with new Apollo, I realized I have never gone back and glued them down permanently. It occurs to me I don’t need to. With the duct tape, and making sure to press down around the edges of the 3g strips, they don’t budge. (not even sure if a little movement might be an advantage … think ProKennex tennis racquets with their moving beads ;). I use black duct tape on the black edge guard, so don’t even notice it.
btw … none of it matters without an overgrip. Sorry … was that out loud … I keep hitting players paddles for a few minutes in open play, and I can’t get that greasy slimefest out of my hand fast enough. I won’t even try a paddle anymore with a Hesacore grip … SO WRONG. ;)
Edit: I find it helpful to know where the balance point is so you can place weight from that point depending on your goal (below balance point to not add to swing weight, above to add to swing weight). I use a thin dowel rod and just push from handle end and mark place with painters tape where paddle toppled forward.
Good luck with your experimentations … we are all mad paddle scientists now.
Holger Rune comment is spot on with the shorts. Might be the pickleball clone since you have a better overhead compared to Justin 😂
Bread and butter
Gherkin
What is the next pickle type going to be used in a paddle?
Kosher to compete with the j2k?
I'm hoping for a raw paddle named cucumber.
Great podcast. My top one is HUDEF MAGE Pro Gen2.
@pickleballpursuit Louis, you should spin around slowly in your chair so you can complete that gyro meat cooking in vertical grill look you have going on in your latest videos. It might help darken those white thighs poking out your short shorts. Thanks. ❤ MattyRut NERD
May have missed this, but did they address testing paddles after "break in"? Many of the hard hitting paddles have changing characteristics after some play time.
Q: instead of cores being cut out of huge sheets, I think I’ve heard electrum forms their cores so no cut edges. Could doing this allow a company to either have smaller cells in the sweet spot and wider cells around the edges or something like firmer edges and softer sweet spot (or vice versa)? Maybe even one type of PP in the sweet spot and another type around the edges? How far can this be taken?
USAP's new testing was initially called the "BS" test- which of course, stands for "Ball Speed" test. Realizing, 3 months later, that the new Proton "Nuk'em" powered by a small fission reactor in the paddle might not pass anymore, they allowed content creators to directly e-mail them with suggestions on which paddles should be legal, with the exception of Pickleball Pursuit- the official reason being "they're not cool enough." USAP received feedback from dozens of notable content creators like "Blane Abirtwil", "Tennisball Shill" and "Fry-Day Pickleball." Following the receipt of feedback from thousands of podcasters, brand ambassadors, and definitely not AI generated ads, USAPA approved the Zane Navatil Pro-XR, the Six Zero Triple Black Diamond, Friday Pickleball paddles and any paddle purchased on Temu. Commenting on the anticipated success of the new rules, USAP announced "random rule changes based on the whims of content creators are fun, so expect to see more of them....or don't, ooooh", as a puff of smoke burst from the podium.
Sorry, just here for the giveaway 😅
I’m bad about putting weight on my paddle before even hitting with it. Need to do more trial and error.
First item in the #NerdTownMerchShop..... an "Etc, Etc" shirt!!!
🤔
My work here might be done … move over 3.5 at best … say hello to 3.5 inch inseam at most
Whats you guys opinion on edge guards? Is there a brand you like or is electrical tape enough?
Check out episode 2 at 14:08
ruclips.net/video/MayXaszMwA8/видео.htmlsi=yPOaHA6DWfIQT3cX
I've got the perfect answer for this. We had a full 12 minute segment in Episode 2 covering all the different types of edge tape and how they affect your paddle. ruclips.net/video/MayXaszMwA8/видео.htmlsi=RHpSSMw0lJPYyDd2&t=849
@@PickleballPursuit so use Braydon’s head tape and counter balance at the handle to maintain balance/maneuverability because the head tape will slightly increase plow trough cause I use an elongated. Did I get that right? Haha
@@Justin_MarkPB how does my answer below sound?? After watching the episode.
@@JovanniG678 Perfect. You should try it out. Do a little paddle fitting for yourself.
I’m bad about putting wait on my paddle before I even hit with it. Need to do more trial and error.
For Justin - best pickleball related Cards Against Humanity card would be what? (Maybe something like - 'Ben Johns Drilling a Forehand Right to Your ____.' Or 'You can shave my beard right after you _____ me in pickleball.' For Lewis - booby prize - a pair of Lewis's short shorts (hopefully washed).
Constructive criticism - share when the contest ends, what the winner will get, etc. Also, lighten up (your videos - it looks like you're recording in your closets).
Keep up the good work!
I don't think our wives would be too happy if we came out of our closets though.
Will the PBCoR test have an impact on paddles that have approved now?
Coming from a Ruby, I had a j7k pro and it felt way too stiff for me on hits. The j2k was more what I was used to. Does the j3k pro feel like the j7k pro?
J3K Pro and J7K Pro are at opposite ends of the spectrum and performance. Both are stiff (especially in the first 20-30 hours), but the J3K has slightly more plushness and larger sweet spot, but all the Pro models are a very similar stiff feeling and high power return.
@@gunzorro ok, thank you
I just got the Monarch all-court and played with it today. The Monarch Rocks! It's probably the best paddle I've played with, and I've played with a lot of paddles.
I got the J2K also, and in my opinion, that paddle is over-rated. I find it clunky and don't like it. This is just my opinion, though.
Well you can remember me as the guy you should have listened to that extended a respectable shorts olive branch. These chances in life don’t come around that often. Bad at pickleball, bad judgement and bad shorts is the bad pickleball trifecta. I have to admit I’m a little sad that I will now only be able to watch the top half of the screen in your paddle review videos … some things you just can’t unsee.
What is the podcast lighting theme … seems like maybe vampire den adjacent. Maybe dirty paddle manufacturing secrets isn’t Justin’s only secrets. I will pass on any “prize winning” … no way I’m giving my address to vampires.
One idea for brand sponsorship for Louis. Victoria’s secret.
And Nair! ruclips.net/video/ES9G_L2MEG0/видео.htmlsi=oriuWrby0xy1YYHQ
This is the best comment.
My game is down like the stock market right now.
If I win the is giveaway, we’ll know things are not rigged and some guys like me can win
Lets ban paddles, and just hit the ball with our hands: Problem solved.
It seems there are people who agree with you. Look up Forehand Strike.
If I win this giveaway then everyone in the pickleball youtube giveaway space will know all the giveaways are rigged because I've already won a few random giveaways haha.
Give some luck to the rest of us. You always seem to win all the giveaways I enter on RUclips and Instagram haha
@@timothyngo933 I got to fuel the pickleball addiction somehow. All my money goes to indoor clubs got to get paddles/ accessories somehow
Limit the power at the typical gen 2 level??? You are correct, your take is, in your words, "hot garbage". Perhaps you need to switch to ping pong.