This is my first video watching you guys and you guys are such a power couple! You both have like news reporter voices, very nice to hear you talk. Thank you for going into complete detail about the vehicle. Much appreciated 🥰
Anybody considering an Ascent is strongly advised to take it on a LONG test drive that includes conditions other than your typical situations. We failed to do that and were shocked to see the different behavior it exhibited. The issues are mainly related to the peculiar behavior of the CVT transmission, which can shift randomly and multiple times in very simple circumstances. The engine is also undersized at 2.4L for such a heavy vehicle, which causes the turbo to very routinely kick-in to provide the power needed. It's a very comfortable ride, but the engine noise is always quite loud for the driver and front seat passenger. It's VERY truck-like in that regard. Again, that CVT might also require you to completely re-learn the relationship between gas pedal and speed.
I’ve had my 2020 Ascent Limited (US Version) for a year. Love it. Smooth, quiet, affordable, and it fits our family great. I would highly recommend it, or any other Subaru, to anyone shopping. For reference, we’ve had a 2013 Ford Flex and 2018 Highlander. Flex was great, but compromised. Hated the Highlander and traded it before my lease was up. Eyesight is awesome!
I’m a huge Subaru fan and have had subarus for the last 10 years. My current Subaru is a 2020 ascent. I’ve had it for close to 2 years and can say it’s an excellent car. My wife has a Lexus rx350 - and I’m happier driving the ascent than the rx350! One question for you: the highlander always grabs my attention and I’ve often thought of getting one over the Subaru. What didn’t you like it?
@@philbeavers8928 My biggest complaint was the steering. My 2018 seemed to wonder on the freeway and the steering felt loose. I drove the 2020, hoping the TNGA platform cured that problem. I wanted the hybrid. It still felt odd on the highway. Other than that, it was a great car. Steering is a dealbreaker for me.
I had a 2019 and loved it! Shame about the oil burning 🔥 ☹️ Eyesight is the BEST! Miss it soooo much. Noise level is nothing compared to the Ford Edge that I drive now. Hands down, better than any other car in its category!
These deserve a second look and you guys are the Steve and Eddy Gourmet of car reviews! Can't wait for the 2023 Acura Integra after almost 18 years with my 2004 Acura TSX 6 speed with 94,000 miles. What a car!!
Love your videos, but one thing you need to mention with Subaru products is the Symmetrical All Wheel Drive, which is far superior compared to other generic, on demand AWD systems from other manufacturers. I owned a Honda CRV before, and going to a 2015 Forester XT and now a 2021 Outback XT Limited is like night & day in terms of traction in bad weather. The safety, value and sure footedness in adverse conditions is why people by Subarus.
The fact that the Ascent has more compact proportions is, in my opinion, it's biggest asset. It will do well in urban situations (condo parking garage) but can still do all the adventure stuff with it's ground clearance and AWD system.
@@janoycresnova9156 For me, the small bump in power(It just received)makes the Crosstrek drivable. What these vehicles need is an 8speed conventional automatic transmission, NOT a CVT. Yes, we know that is wishful thinking, as that is Never going to happen. This is partially the reason why people go to a different manufacturer, or buy older Subarus with the proven but antiquated 4eat/5eat transmissions. Although the latter is a bit finicky.
I bought this vehicle (Onyx trim) because I think it's a much better value than what I've seen. A Highlander, Pilot, Telluride, Palisade, and GC are all near or over 50k for wireless apple car play, leather seats, pano roofs, and large infotainment centers.
The Ascent is a better vehicle than I thought it would be. The starting price is almost 10k cheaper than its best competitors. It's too bad that Subaru doesn't move more Ascend models. The residuals are also very good @ 60% after 5 years is fantastic.
@@HerseyChris No. almost 4 years. I just sold my 19 Ascent and bought a 22 Outback. If you need 3 rows it’s awesome but I don’t and the Outback is a better all around vehicle.
I like the more aggressive engine noise when accelerating. No one wants to call this car sporty, but the last thing I drove that was this big and this maneuverable was a 96 4runner.
Just bought a 2019 Ascent Limited that came off a lease; 30K miles. Agree with all you've said. Wish it had a sunroof...we were looking for a used Forester and missed it. We don't need this size car, but it was too good to pass up. One comment on ride quality and quietness...tires make a HUGE difference. I put Michelin Cross Climate 2's on my 2018 Outback and the difference from OEM is night and day. Switched the tires on the Ascent to the Michelins as well...
Subaru hasn't gotten that memo, they are still living in 2015 with most of their tech on their vehicles. New Forester Wilderness is the same with the LEDs.
Big fan of Subaru ...such a practical vehicle. You can go anywhere and take your tools gear or peeps and of course your dogs. I seldom see these on the road but I always wanted to see inside...thank you.
not really! You can't leave the back door open without draining the battery quickly (nothing to do with lights). I travel and compete with my dogs. Also, I camp. Being unable to keep the back door open is a deal breaker. Wait, the dealership had a solution for me. Unplug the battery every time I need the back door open. I'm not kidding.
informative and honest review as usual,,well done...never have driven a Subaru but the AWD for around here would be a great attribute..little big for me..but the Outback has always been appealing to me..Happy Labour Day
I owned a new 2020 Ascent for about 6 weeks. I could never drive it smoothly in traffic congestion, or else in neighborhoods where a "light touch" was needed to continually vary speeds in the 5 to 30 mph range. There was repeated "lumpy" power delivery when trying to be delicate, and this is not evident when driving moderately or driving hard. Mine was not unique, as I found in Subaru forums. The dealer concluded it was "just the way the CVT and turbo are tuned from the factory".
With an incredible plethora of SUV/CUV options it can be difficult to stand out. Toyota sells 3-5 THOUSAND... RAV4’s a month in Canada! If you haven’t seen/heard of one, it is because Subaru struggles to sell 300 to 400 a month. And because it looks like a Forester that ‘fell of it’s diet’. And if you don’t want to be noticed... it has become almost like the perfect incognito vehicle. Thank God it doesn’t look like their Edsel-grilled Tribeca. I’m not sure I’ve ever even seen a review (or video) on the Ascent. Being this unique and so unknown, I would absolutely consider it. Thanks for another interesting review.
We don't see a lot of Ascents on the road here in Vancouver, mostly the Forester and Crosstrek. This is certainly a great 7-8 seater on a budget. I was pretty surprised by the starting price point great value. Thanks for watching!
Are there any brake/rotor issues with this vehicle. Have looked at used vehicles and have seen several times that rotors have to be turned at 30k. Thank You
Good review. Two concerns with this car: 1) Subaru engines have been criticized for issues with burning oil and head gasket failures. Has there been any evidence these problems have been eliminated? 2) Eyesight works well in clear conditions but is reportedly unreliable in hard rain, snow, and fog which is when you need the assist most. How does Eyesight performance compare vs systems on Kia/Hyundai, Toyota, Honda, et al?
The engine in the Ascent is a new engine for the model. The FA24. No oil burning issues at all. The same engine has made its way into XT Outback and Legacy XT. On the eyesight issues. The two conditions I’ve seen where eyesight cuts off. Early morning fog covering the top of the windshield. Snow not cleared from the windshield. Direct blinding glare from the sun. For most normal rain and the wipers going the system works fine. In a complete deluge where there is no visibility the system may cut off. In those situations I would much rather trust myself than any automated system. The most annoying thing for me is the Rear Assist Braking. Even a small branch or hanging vine will cause the vehicle to slam on the brakes when backing up.
Excessive oil burn is covered under warranty and Subaru's have not had any head gasket issues since their early 2000's model cars with different engines. Also, in my opinion in heavy rain, or fog is when you need eyesight the least. Its when the driver should take the most control to drive the vehicle and not leave it up to software. Just my opinion
@@Basically_a_nobody Oil consumption is only covered if the motor is burning more than 1 quart per 750 miles. Your engine can be burning a quart per 900 miles and they'll deny the claim and tell you to top off the oil. If a high mileage car from the 90s doesn't burn oil there's no excuse for a new car to do so.
If u need a 7 pass ride, this is pretty good, remember winter is coming. Points Zack mention is what prevents the sales. Solid review team. U sure there is nothing in your bats? Cos u keep knocking it out of the park. Feb20th, can I vote for u 2? Cheers from MTL
Bought my Ascent Limited Jan 2 2019. When it was new the only issue was the stereo going mute for no apparent reason. A couple trips to the dealership to update the head unit and 30,000 miles later the only thing I’ve needed are scheduled oil changes every 6 months. This vehicle is an absolute snow beast. The new Onyx Edition gives the vehicle a little more personality but it still is very unremarkable in appearance. The only reason I would trade it in would be for another vehicle of similar size but with a plug in hybrid or full EV.
I prefer my 2018 Outback Premier 3.6R. I went with it because I prefer the flat 6 N/A over a turbo setup, and going 2018 I avoided the start/stop technology. Thing is a monster I work in an open pit mine and it goes everywhere the trucks/jeeps go with ease.
Took a test drive of the Wrangler 4 door today however someone pointed me toward the Ascent and was wondering what would be the best choice between the two? Like overall what is the best bang for buck, Wrangler or Ascent?
Hi Andrea, Zack, yet another concise and informative review. Congrats! Just a question on another topic: is it a datejust on Andrea’s wrist? If so, what size datejust? Looks sharp! Kudos from a fellow watch lover
Surprised at the number of negative comments for the CVT engine. It's true that it takes more driver's touch from 5-30 mph, but there's a real advantage to the smooth acceleration in the 50+ mph range. The Telluride and Palisade are great cars, but both lurch as is typical with automatic transmissions when accelerating.
I was planning to buy ascent touring 2021 . I started to do research on ascent. Finally, I came to conclusion that the ascent has top safety features, poor highway driving and Noisy after 60 MPh. I changed my mind.
Excellent Review! You two can rebrand your show to MotorMouth A to Z (Andrea to Zachary). Please include metric and imperial mpg and measurements on all reviews since you have a huge number of American viewers. Will you ever offer reviews on dealer and non-dealer accessories like roof systems and towing? Keep up the amazing and enjoyable work you both bring to the automotive industry.
While I am not a CVT hater (both of my Honda’s have them) the Ascent is simply too large and heavy for a CVT. Honda’s Pilot and Passport, the Toyota Highlander all use conventional auto’s for a reason on this size vehicle.
Unless you were part of the development of the CVT in this vehicle how would you know it’s too small … Subaru has been making CVT in house for years and I’m unable to find any information on line there’s a issue with them in any model…no so with Nissan …
@@gobear83 I have a friend with the Ascent - already in for transmission issues. I did a quick search found several issues with the CVT. I never said it was “too small” I said NONE of the competitors, in this size vehicle (not even the new pathfinder from Nissan) that use a CVT. Mazda, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Kia, Hyandai, Ford, Chevy, VW ALL use conventional automatics. Hmmmmm wonder why?
@@gobear83 My 2020 ascent is a good vehicle, minus the CVT. It "shifts" so randomly in basic situations and is nowhere near the "seamless" shifting that Subaru described at the showroom. When you need to get up to speed quickly, the vehicle momentarily loses power between each shift before lurching when the shift fully engages. Subaru has checked the tranny software version and downloaded the tranny history but have seen nothing unusual. That tells me we're experiencing normal behavior. Based on the CVT behior alone, I can't recommend the new line of CVT format Subarus. This is my fourth Subaru, so not a hater. Just very disappointed about this CVT thing, which makes it VERY unlike my 80s and 90s Subaru experiences.
@@moonfive9065 I would be temped to contact Subaru directly and setup appointment with the zone manger and address your concerns …you paid a lot for the vehicle and in my experience going direct sometime gets results. I did with my WRX when it had issues with rev hang and it had 32k on clock …. The zone manger authorized a new WRX …at no cost to me..that’s why to this day I continue to buy Subies , the stand behind what the make .. Good luck
@@gobear83 Appreciate the personal feedback. Unfortunately, the dealership's Service Manager is confident it's not the vehicle in particular that is the issue and that the diagnostics were all OK. In my experince, no vehicle being driven at 30mph should rev and linger around 3,000 rpm when advancing over a small knoll on a winding country road. Subaru says' .... "that's what it does".
The main reason for people not to consider this vehicule is the CVT! Most people hate that kind of transmission. Other that, i agree with both of you, it's to much look like other Subaru product..🤙
I have a Crosstrek and love my CVT. Gets great gas mileage and the simulated gears are very convincing. Can downshift with out putting the transmission in manual gear, this is very cool.
Great points, but Subaru has got to get past "bland". The Ascent is desperately in need of a re-branding and make-over. Sadly, Subaru never incorporates the design concepts of their prototypes into the actual vehicles. The Ascent prototype would have changed the game for Subaru, which tends to be way too conservative. I think Subaru was just content with making a larger Forester (as you mentioned) to expand into the 6-7 seven seater SUV space. Hopefully, they learn a lesson from Kia and Hyundai the next time around, or even Toyota (with a hybrid version). I'm a Subaru fan (had the Forester) and my wife currently has the Legacy. I asked her about an Ascent and she said, "why? what's the difference other than the size, both look the same inside and pretty much drive the same". Silence on my part as I pondered her response, we ended up with the Highlander Hybrid.
I test drove the Ascent 2 years ago but ultimately went with the Telluride. I thought it just handled better than the Subaru but if I needed a crossover with more ground clearance I think that really is the only reason to get this car. The Palisades, Telluride are much better looking and exude luxury vs the utility spirit of the Ascent.
Agreed. The turbo, awd, and at lower cost to get what I needed made me got the ascent. But the telluride is definitely up there. If you want the premium/luxury looks of the suv, and the non cvt tranny, telluride is definitely the vehicle to get.
I was about to buy an Ascent. Then I learned that you cannot leave the back door open without draining the battery. (No, it has nothing to do with the lights. I has to do with a sensor that doesn't allow everything to shut down when the rear door is open.) If you stay in suburbia and run from your car to the house, no problem. However, I camp and compete in a sport with my dogs. When my dogs are crated in the back, I need the back door open. Why is a car marketed for outdoor "adventures" have this design? I talked to the dealership near me. There solution is to disconnect my battery every time I want to leave the back door open. Seriously!?
I love the Ascent. The 2023 has some needed changes. The problem with reviews when the car is on loan from the seller...hard to bad mouth the vehicle IMO
Sadly this model isn’t even sold over here in Europe. But nonetheless I would add a smallish turbo on it just to improve the torque numbers. My 1.6 liter diesel has 1/5th more torque than it.
We got one and are very happy with it but... we also had to get the extended warranty (which, to their credit, is fairly priced at around $1,400 USD for 8yr/80k miles, $100 deductible). Without that option, we wouldn't have considered it, the turbo and the CVT would be the components I'm most skeptic about.
My 2020 Ascent would be perfect if you could keep air in the tires. I live in an arid sparsely populated area. I continually loose air. It has been in the shop 3 times. The solution - add air. Not easy to do unless you carry an air tank around which is my solution because I can’t trade right now.
It sure looks like a Forester. It is not in Aussie dealership. The Ascent name is on a Corolla. Mum still has her 1999 Forester GT with 92,000 kms. The turbo 4 and 4 speed auto just keeps on going. Never used the cassette player though. Cheers for the great reviews.
I fell victim of a brand new Subaru Outback I bought many years ago which came with a serious and ridiculous defect. When you mentioned it comes with a turbo and a CVT in a Subaru, it freaks me out !
I wish that all 3 row suv’s should have the seating option of NO third row. I don’t mean fold it down and pretend it isn’t there. I mean more storage space with no seats! Familes of 3 or 4 people might not need that last row but do need the space. I have driven a vehicle with the last row and in the 13 years, so far, that I have owned it, have only used that row about 4 times……I don’t need it. I am sure that I am not alone in this. If you feel the need to send me negative comments about removing the seats or just leaving them down, please don’t, because everyone has a right to their opinion and mine is that I would like the option of more storage space, not a third row, from the factory. I understand fully what I could do, I just think that manufacturers should consider this. ,
Thanks for answering my question again this week! The Ascent is definitely on our short list and I agree that the Touring is the best value and probably where we'd end up. Not sure if we'd go bench or captain's chairs though.
Thanks for participating, we really love answering questions from Instagram. Yes, take it for a test drive you may be surprised. I like the fact that I don't have to spend a ton of money on a 7-8 seater vehicle.
@@ahsahm Yes, the trims in Canada and the US can be quite different. It would be much easier for us as reviewers if they were the same as we have followers of course in both countries.
Here's a quiz. What are the slowest selling 3 row mainstream SUVs in North America. For 2021 the Mazda CX-9 holds its place as the worst selling vehicle. Barely above the Mazda is the Subaru Ascent. What distinguishes the CX-9 and the Ascent from their rivals? First and foremost is the lone offering of a turbo 4 in each vehicle when nearly all their rivals offer standard or optional V6 or hybrid alternatives. Then there are the transmissions. The Subaru offers only a CVT and the Mazda provides only a long-in-the-tooth six speed conventional AT. Every rival offers either a conventional torque converter AT or a DCT. The Ascent's (and the CX-9's) drivetrain may be adequate for a family hauler but it doesn't stand out in any significant way. The bottom line is that Subaru's strong reputation among its loyal customer base stems from reliability and unique offerings. The Ascent's early teething problems (by no means unique among any new model) put a dent in the reliability reputation. The fact that Ascent is simply not unique in any positive way compared to its rivals has been a continuing issue.
Ascent is just okay, in my opinion. It's a decent first effort for Subaru on a "new" model, but it just isn't quite competitive with some of the competition. The interior and tech are about two classes below Palisade/Telluride (more on par with the crappy American offerings like the Explorer and Traverse), and it doesn't have the roominess of an Atlas. Highlander is also a much nicer option than this.
Wish Subaru would have hybrid version without turbo. It could act almost like a turbo by quickly increasing the revs. With the accent already looking like a highlander and vice versa, maybe Toyota can give a hand with the hybrid tech.
The CVT transmission and boxer engine are dealbreakers for me. And despite Subaru being well loved, it has faced a few nagging issues over the past few years, to include some big-ticket (and pricey) repair issues, like problems with its CVT transmission and Subaru’s engine problems.
All of my Toyota automatic transmissions lasted the life of the vehicles getting beyond 300k miles (>480K km). I am very skeptical about the CVTs, saving couple miles a gallon won’t be enough to pay for the failed transmission at 150K miles.
The issue with a Subaru CVT is not the CVT. Its Subaru of America's insistence that the CVT is a sealed transmission that does not need to be serviced. It needs to be serviced like any other transmission and proper care will have it just as long as any other transmission. Mr. Subaru's vehicles have proven that. Also, Subaru's haven't had a headgasket issue since the early 2000's lol.
Would have been a great vehicle when the kids were young. Somehow we managed getting 3 kids in the back seat of a 1991 Civic and did that for several years.
Spoke to a friend who is a Subaru ambassador when I was in the market for a full size SUV. He told me that these vehicles have issues with warped brake rotors and leaky moonroofs. I opted for a 2021 Chevrolet Tahoe Z71.
That's a big price/size difference. How do you like the Tahoe? The wife and I are in the process of trying to replace our 2017 Pacifica with either a full-size truck or body-on-frame SUV. Right now the leading contenders are the F-150, Ram 1500, Wagoneer, Tahoe, and Expedition.
@@mattspeer01 After 4000 miles, I think our Tahoe is outstanding. We looked at Ascent, Telluride, Atlas and Palisade. I chose the Tahoe for the size and reliability, honestly. The 5.3L V8 is tried and true. The tech and interior appointments are good quality for the money as well. Another thing that I personally like about it is the size. Both for usability and the fact that if my wife and daughter are in a collision with it, it will stand up well. This generation has great improvements over the previous, including more 3rd row space.
@@mattspeer01 In my opinion, after trading an FCA SUV, I would avoid Wagoneer and Grand Cherokee L. I have been a die-hard Mopar fan for 20 years and after the issue with our 2020 Wrangler Unlimited Sahara after only 15k miles and issues in that mileage range with previous Chryslers, I threw in the towel. And honestly, the Wagoneer seems extremely overpriced to me.
@@mattspeer01 A note about Tahoe as far as fuel economy, trim level matters. I have spoken to other owners and the Z71 averages between 14.8 and 15.0 mpg vs the other trims at 16.0-17.0 mpg. I have been unable to hit the minimum 16.0 mpg city mileage despite my sincerest efforts, including tire pressure increased to 45 psi cold and a new K&N factory replacement air filter.
We’ve had numerous subarus over the last 10 years or so all with no issues. We leased a 2019 Ascent in June of 2019. We loved everything about(especially size and comfort), but since the beginning we had issues with the warped rotors. After 2 years and 7,200 miles the transmission started shifting weird as well. My wife does all city driving and was getting 15-18 mpg. We decided to trade it a few months ago on a highlander hybrid. I love the highlander, but she misses the size and feel of the ascent. If I could have found a deal on another one, I would have given it another chance. Deals were horrible.
Not only are Subarus much slower than competition, but the people who buy them typically drive then at 20 mph UNDER the posted speed limit. Easily the most annoying vehicles you will encounter on the road. Only the STX models are the exception.
I only watch these videos because of Andrea and her short skirts. If you had an OF I’m in lol. Jokes aside thanks for another great video guys! Keep up the hard work.
The 8 inch infotainment + climate button layout is so much better looking and more ergonomic than the 11.6 inch unit on the Legacy/Outback
This is my first video watching you guys and you guys are such a power couple! You both have like news reporter voices, very nice to hear you talk. Thank you for going into complete detail about the vehicle. Much appreciated 🥰
Thank you so much!
Wow, thank you very much, really glad you like the content we are putting out. Thanks for watching and for the kind words.
Zack always look so happy when Andrea put it on S
I like to see Andrea around the steering wheel she’s always smiling 😊 i enjoy 😉 watching her driver’s you guys reviews are top notch love it
Thank you so much, we appreciate the kind words.
Anybody considering an Ascent is strongly advised to take it on a LONG test drive that includes conditions other than your typical situations. We failed to do that and were shocked to see the different behavior it exhibited. The issues are mainly related to the peculiar behavior of the CVT transmission, which can shift randomly and multiple times in very simple circumstances. The engine is also undersized at 2.4L for such a heavy vehicle, which causes the turbo to very routinely kick-in to provide the power needed. It's a very comfortable ride, but the engine noise is always quite loud for the driver and front seat passenger. It's VERY truck-like in that regard. Again, that CVT might also require you to completely re-learn the relationship between gas pedal and speed.
Wrong on all accounts
@@Yoyomanmanholla Actually, I'm 100% correct, since I'm sharing opinions. You have yours, I suppose, but haven't shared any here.
I’ve had my 2020 Ascent Limited (US Version) for a year. Love it. Smooth, quiet, affordable, and it fits our family great. I would highly recommend it, or any other Subaru, to anyone shopping. For reference, we’ve had a 2013 Ford Flex and 2018 Highlander. Flex was great, but compromised. Hated the Highlander and traded it before my lease was up.
Eyesight is awesome!
I’m a huge Subaru fan and have had subarus for the last 10 years. My current Subaru is a 2020 ascent. I’ve had it for close to 2 years and can say it’s an excellent car. My wife has a Lexus rx350 - and I’m happier driving the ascent than the rx350!
One question for you: the highlander always grabs my attention and I’ve often thought of getting one over the Subaru. What didn’t you like it?
@@philbeavers8928 My biggest complaint was the steering. My 2018 seemed to wonder on the freeway and the steering felt loose. I drove the 2020, hoping the TNGA platform cured that problem. I wanted the hybrid. It still felt odd on the highway. Other than that, it was a great car. Steering is a dealbreaker for me.
I had a 2019 and loved it!
Shame about the oil burning 🔥 ☹️
Eyesight is the BEST! Miss it soooo much.
Noise level is nothing compared to the Ford Edge that I drive now.
Hands down, better than any other car in its category!
These deserve a second look and you guys are the Steve and Eddy Gourmet of car reviews! Can't wait for the 2023 Acura Integra after almost 18 years with my 2004 Acura TSX 6 speed with 94,000 miles. What a car!!
Thank you! Wow, what a car you have, we look forward to reviewing the Integra, can't wait!
Love your videos, but one thing you need to mention with Subaru products is the Symmetrical All Wheel Drive, which is far superior compared to other generic, on demand AWD systems from other manufacturers. I owned a Honda CRV before, and going to a 2015 Forester XT and now a 2021 Outback XT Limited is like night & day in terms of traction in bad weather. The safety, value and sure footedness in adverse conditions is why people by Subarus.
The fact that the Ascent has more compact proportions is, in my opinion, it's biggest asset. It will do well in urban situations (condo parking garage) but can still do all the adventure stuff with it's ground clearance and AWD system.
Love the Eyesight in my Outback XT, it does everything to keeps me safe!!
Subaru USA, we need this Ascent model for others markets agencies in like middle East Arabian counties. We have big families there.
Zach: "I want to see this engine in a Forester."
This is ALL, I needed to hear from this video. Amen, to that statement.
and in Crosstrek
@@janoycresnova9156 For me, the small bump in power(It just received)makes the Crosstrek drivable. What these vehicles need is an 8speed conventional automatic transmission, NOT a CVT. Yes, we know that is wishful thinking, as that is Never going to happen. This is partially the reason why people go to a different manufacturer, or buy older Subarus with the proven but antiquated 4eat/5eat transmissions. Although the latter is a bit finicky.
i want to see this in Belgium .
I bought this vehicle (Onyx trim) because I think it's a much better value than what I've seen. A Highlander, Pilot, Telluride, Palisade, and GC are all near or over 50k for wireless apple car play, leather seats, pano roofs, and large infotainment centers.
The Ascent is a better vehicle than I thought it would be. The starting price is almost 10k cheaper than its best competitors. It's too bad that Subaru doesn't move more Ascend models. The residuals are also very good @ 60% after 5 years is fantastic.
It's the value that is amazing. If you are on a tight budget and just need a family hauler, this might work well for you.
Has it even been out 5 years?
@@HerseyChris No. almost 4 years.
I just sold my 19 Ascent and bought a 22 Outback.
If you need 3 rows it’s awesome but I don’t and the Outback is a better all around vehicle.
I like the more aggressive engine noise when accelerating. No one wants to call this car sporty, but the last thing I drove that was this big and this maneuverable was a 96 4runner.
Subaru has the best AWD system in the business, a definite asset in slippery climes!
Ascent is, so far, known for very poor reliability...
@@spol1622 had my Ascent for nearly 3 years. No real issues outside of reprogramming the head unit.
Just bought a 2019 Ascent Limited that came off a lease; 30K miles. Agree with all you've said. Wish it had a sunroof...we were looking for a used Forester and missed it. We don't need this size car, but it was too good to pass up. One comment on ride quality and quietness...tires make a HUGE difference. I put Michelin Cross Climate 2's on my 2018 Outback and the difference from OEM is night and day. Switched the tires on the Ascent to the Michelins as well...
I think that’s probably has to be one of the best auto motive reviews I’ve seen in a long time.
Thanks for watching, come on back!
Led turn signals and brake lights should be standard on every new car. For me, it makes a big difference even if it’s so small
Subaru hasn't gotten that memo, they are still living in 2015 with most of their tech on their vehicles. New Forester Wilderness is the same with the LEDs.
Looking forward to 2023 ascent review. Seems they improved the tech , interiors and little bit exteriors with 2023
Zach nailed the comment about the engine in the Forestor. Great vehicle, still might lean on Honda/Toyota in this range.
Great Review - I wanted to simply say Subie forward collision braking saved my life! It's not as bothering as other Collision warnings.
Big fan of Subaru ...such a practical vehicle. You can go anywhere and take your tools gear or peeps and of course your dogs. I seldom see these on the road but I always wanted to see inside...thank you.
Thanks for sharing, I am really impressed with this SUV especially the price.
not really! You can't leave the back door open without draining the battery quickly (nothing to do with lights). I travel and compete with my dogs. Also, I camp. Being unable to keep the back door open is a deal breaker. Wait, the dealership had a solution for me. Unplug the battery every time I need the back door open. I'm not kidding.
informative and honest review as usual,,well done...never have driven a Subaru but the AWD for around here would be a great attribute..little big for me..but the Outback has always been appealing to me..Happy Labour Day
Thank you! Enjoy the long weekend too!
I owned a new 2020 Ascent for about 6 weeks. I could never drive it smoothly in traffic congestion, or else in neighborhoods where a "light touch" was needed to continually vary speeds in the 5 to 30 mph range. There was repeated "lumpy" power delivery when trying to be delicate, and this is not evident when driving moderately or driving hard. Mine was not unique, as I found in Subaru forums. The dealer concluded it was "just the way the CVT and turbo are tuned from the factory".
With an incredible plethora of SUV/CUV options it can be difficult to stand out. Toyota sells 3-5 THOUSAND... RAV4’s a month in Canada! If you haven’t seen/heard of one, it is because Subaru struggles to sell 300 to 400 a month. And because it looks like a Forester that ‘fell of it’s diet’. And if you don’t want to be noticed... it has become almost like the perfect incognito vehicle. Thank God it doesn’t look like their Edsel-grilled Tribeca. I’m not sure I’ve ever even seen a review (or video) on the Ascent. Being this unique and so unknown, I would absolutely consider it. Thanks for another interesting review.
We don't see a lot of Ascents on the road here in Vancouver, mostly the Forester and Crosstrek. This is certainly a great 7-8 seater on a budget. I was pretty surprised by the starting price point great value. Thanks for watching!
Agreed.
I’m a fan of the Subaru brand and this Ascent would be in my top considerations if I were shopping for an SUV.
Are there any brake/rotor issues with this vehicle. Have looked at used vehicles and have seen several times that rotors have to be turned at 30k. Thank You
Sharp looking vehicle thank you to you both for another great Vlog. 👍😀
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for watching!
Good review. Two concerns with this car: 1) Subaru engines have been criticized for issues with burning oil and head gasket failures. Has there been any evidence these problems have been eliminated? 2) Eyesight works well in clear conditions but is reportedly unreliable in hard rain, snow, and fog which is when you need the assist most. How does Eyesight performance compare vs systems on Kia/Hyundai, Toyota, Honda, et al?
The engine in the Ascent is a new engine for the model. The FA24. No oil burning issues at all. The same engine has made its way into XT Outback and Legacy XT. On the eyesight issues. The two conditions I’ve seen where eyesight cuts off. Early morning fog covering the top of the windshield. Snow not cleared from the windshield. Direct blinding glare from the sun. For most normal rain and the wipers going the system works fine. In a complete deluge where there is no visibility the system may cut off. In those situations I would much rather trust myself than any automated system. The most annoying thing for me is the Rear Assist Braking. Even a small branch or hanging vine will cause the vehicle to slam on the brakes when backing up.
Excessive oil burn is covered under warranty and Subaru's have not had any head gasket issues since their early 2000's model cars with different engines.
Also, in my opinion in heavy rain, or fog is when you need eyesight the least. Its when the driver should take the most control to drive the vehicle and not leave it up to software. Just my opinion
@@Basically_a_nobody Oil consumption is only covered if the motor is burning more than 1 quart per 750 miles. Your engine can be burning a quart per 900 miles and they'll deny the claim and tell you to top off the oil. If a high mileage car from the 90s doesn't burn oil there's no excuse for a new car to do so.
If u need a 7 pass ride, this is pretty good, remember winter is coming. Points Zack mention is what prevents the sales. Solid review team. U sure there is nothing in your bats? Cos u keep knocking it out of the park. Feb20th, can I vote for u 2? Cheers from MTL
Haha thanks for the support!
Bought my Ascent Limited Jan 2 2019. When it was new the only issue was the stereo going mute for no apparent reason. A couple trips to the dealership to update the head unit and 30,000 miles later the only thing I’ve needed are scheduled oil changes every 6 months. This vehicle is an absolute snow beast. The new Onyx Edition gives the vehicle a little more personality but it still is very unremarkable in appearance. The only reason I would trade it in would be for another vehicle of similar size but with a plug in hybrid or full EV.
I prefer my 2018 Outback Premier 3.6R. I went with it because I prefer the flat 6 N/A over a turbo setup, and going 2018 I avoided the start/stop technology. Thing is a monster I work in an open pit mine and it goes everywhere the trucks/jeeps go with ease.
Took a test drive of the Wrangler 4 door today however someone pointed me toward the Ascent and was wondering what would be the best choice between the two? Like overall what is the best bang for buck, Wrangler or Ascent?
Hi Andrea, Zack, yet another concise and informative review. Congrats! Just a question on another topic: is it a datejust on Andrea’s wrist? If so, what size datejust? Looks sharp! Kudos from a fellow watch lover
Yes, 36mm Datejust with pink dial.
Thank you, glad you like the review and of course the watch. It's a favourite of mine. I see Zack replied below.
Thanks guys! Miss your watch content Zack! I have myself a 36mm datejust, blue dial, love the thing. Keep up the good work you both!
Surprised at the number of negative comments for the CVT engine. It's true that it takes more driver's touch from 5-30 mph, but there's a real advantage to the smooth acceleration in the 50+ mph range. The Telluride and Palisade are great cars, but both lurch as is typical with automatic transmissions when accelerating.
Thanks for a fabulous review
Can you confirm the coffee cup holder quantity and USB especially in the back seats
Thanks Paul
Andrea and Zack, great review, keep it up 👍
Thanks for the kind words!
I was planning to buy ascent touring 2021 . I started to do research on ascent. Finally, I came to conclusion that the ascent has top safety features, poor highway driving and Noisy after 60 MPh. I changed my mind.
Excellent Review! You two can rebrand your show to MotorMouth A to Z (Andrea to Zachary). Please include metric and imperial mpg and measurements on all reviews since you have a huge number of American viewers. Will you ever offer reviews on dealer and non-dealer accessories like roof systems and towing? Keep up the amazing and enjoyable work you both bring to the automotive industry.
Agree with Zack about family resemblance. I saw one the other day and thought it was a forrester at first
We were on a walk and saw plenty of Foresters thinking the same thing about the Ascent.
While I am not a CVT hater (both of my Honda’s have them) the Ascent is simply too large and heavy for a CVT. Honda’s Pilot and Passport, the Toyota Highlander all use conventional auto’s for a reason on this size vehicle.
Unless you were part of the development of the CVT in this vehicle how would you know it’s too small …
Subaru has been making CVT in house for years and I’m unable to find any information on line there’s a issue with them in any model…no so with Nissan …
@@gobear83 I have a friend with the Ascent - already in for transmission issues. I did a quick search found several issues with the CVT. I never said it was “too small” I said NONE of the competitors, in this size vehicle (not even the new pathfinder from Nissan) that use a CVT. Mazda, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Kia, Hyandai, Ford, Chevy, VW ALL use conventional automatics. Hmmmmm wonder why?
@@gobear83 My 2020 ascent is a good vehicle, minus the CVT. It "shifts" so randomly in basic situations and is nowhere near the "seamless" shifting that Subaru described at the showroom. When you need to get up to speed quickly, the vehicle momentarily loses power between each shift before lurching when the shift fully engages. Subaru has checked the tranny software version and downloaded the tranny history but have seen nothing unusual. That tells me we're experiencing normal behavior. Based on the CVT behior alone, I can't recommend the new line of CVT format Subarus. This is my fourth Subaru, so not a hater. Just very disappointed about this CVT thing, which makes it VERY unlike my 80s and 90s Subaru experiences.
@@moonfive9065 I would be temped to contact Subaru directly and setup appointment with the zone manger and address your concerns …you paid a lot for the vehicle and in my experience going direct sometime gets results. I did with my WRX when it had issues with rev hang and it had 32k on clock …. The zone manger authorized a new WRX …at no cost to me..that’s why to this day I continue to buy Subies , the stand behind what the make ..
Good luck
@@gobear83 Appreciate the personal feedback. Unfortunately, the dealership's Service Manager is confident it's not the vehicle in particular that is the issue and that the diagnostics were all OK. In my experince, no vehicle being driven at 30mph should rev and linger around 3,000 rpm when advancing over a small knoll on a winding country road. Subaru says' .... "that's what it does".
The main reason for people not to consider this vehicule is the CVT! Most people hate that kind of transmission. Other that, i agree with both of you, it's to much look like other Subaru product..🤙
I have a Crosstrek and love my CVT. Gets great gas mileage and the simulated gears are very convincing. Can downshift with out putting the transmission in manual gear, this is very cool.
Well explained, keep up the Great reviews😀
Thank you very much!
Great points, but Subaru has got to get past "bland". The Ascent is desperately in need of a re-branding and make-over. Sadly, Subaru never incorporates the design concepts of their prototypes into the actual vehicles. The Ascent prototype would have changed the game for Subaru, which tends to be way too conservative. I think Subaru was just content with making a larger Forester (as you mentioned) to expand into the 6-7 seven seater SUV space. Hopefully, they learn a lesson from Kia and Hyundai the next time around, or even Toyota (with a hybrid version). I'm a Subaru fan (had the Forester) and my wife currently has the Legacy. I asked her about an Ascent and she said, "why? what's the difference other than the size, both look the same inside and pretty much drive the same". Silence on my part as I pondered her response, we ended up with the Highlander Hybrid.
I test drove the Ascent 2 years ago but ultimately went with the Telluride. I thought it just handled better than the Subaru but if I needed a crossover with more ground clearance I think that really is the only reason to get this car. The Palisades, Telluride are much better looking and exude luxury vs the utility spirit of the Ascent.
best awd suburu cool looks Telluride 😎.
Agreed. The turbo, awd, and at lower cost to get what I needed made me got the ascent. But the telluride is definitely up there. If you want the premium/luxury looks of the suv, and the non cvt tranny, telluride is definitely the vehicle to get.
I was about to buy an Ascent. Then I learned that you cannot leave the back door open without draining the battery. (No, it has nothing to do with the lights. I has to do with a sensor that doesn't allow everything to shut down when the rear door is open.) If you stay in suburbia and run from your car to the house, no problem. However, I camp and compete in a sport with my dogs. When my dogs are crated in the back, I need the back door open. Why is a car marketed for outdoor "adventures" have this design? I talked to the dealership near me. There solution is to disconnect my battery every time I want to leave the back door open. Seriously!?
I love the Ascent. The 2023 has some needed changes. The problem with reviews when the car is on loan from the seller...hard to bad mouth the vehicle IMO
Sadly this model isn’t even sold over here in Europe. But nonetheless I would add a smallish turbo on it just to improve the torque numbers. My 1.6 liter diesel has 1/5th more torque than it.
We got one and are very happy with it but... we also had to get the extended warranty (which, to their credit, is fairly priced at around $1,400 USD for 8yr/80k miles, $100 deductible). Without that option, we wouldn't have considered it, the turbo and the CVT would be the components I'm most skeptic about.
My 2020 Ascent would be perfect if you could keep air in the tires. I live in an arid sparsely populated area. I continually loose air. It has been in the shop 3 times. The solution - add air. Not easy to do unless you carry an air tank around which is my solution because I can’t trade right now.
Awesome review and a vehicle. I saw one of my neighbour has one and it’s looks huge! 👍🏻☕️☕️
Thank you glad you enjoyed it. It is a good size, quite spacious and of course the value is there.
@@andreaspencer9813 You know I agree with you Andrea! 👍🏻☕️
@@10OF9OFBORG Thanks!
@@andreaspencer9813 You are very welcome Andrea!
It sure looks like a Forester. It is not in Aussie dealership. The Ascent name is on a Corolla. Mum still has her 1999 Forester GT with 92,000 kms. The turbo 4 and 4 speed auto just keeps on going. Never used the cassette player though. Cheers for the great reviews.
Thanks for sharing, that's great to hear about your Mum. Thanks for watching!
As usual great content 😀
Thank you!
I would like to see a review of the 2023 Ascent.
I fell victim of a brand new Subaru Outback I bought many years ago which came with a serious and ridiculous defect. When you mentioned it comes with a turbo and a CVT in a Subaru, it freaks me out !
Nailed it. The CVT behaves horribly and the turbo is forever engaged on simple terrain.
Zach & Drea...Any chance of a wilderness package coming out on the Ascent?
The 1st time I saw the Ascent on the road, I thought it was a minivan!
I wish that all 3 row suv’s should have the seating option of NO third row. I don’t mean fold it down and pretend it isn’t there. I mean more storage space with no seats! Familes of 3 or 4 people might not need that last row but do need the space. I have driven a vehicle with the last row and in the 13 years, so far, that I have owned it, have only used that row about 4 times……I don’t need it. I am sure that I am not alone in this. If you feel the need to send me negative comments about removing the seats or just leaving them down, please don’t, because everyone has a right to their opinion and mine is that I would like the option of more storage space, not a third row, from the factory. I understand fully what I could do, I just think that manufacturers should consider this.
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Definitely wouldn't mind yall doing one on the Subaru Legacy with the boxer engine
One thing this needs is an 8 way power passenger seat. No idea why the Ascent is a 4 way when you can get an 8 way in the Outback, Legacy or Forester.
Hi Guys,
Great review I agree with Zac that looks like it’s little brother’s style.
The Ascent is quite popular in Vancouver, might be because we are in PNW. The biggest Subaru market anywhere else.
This ascent had been on the market for a short time and now back. Someone should be kind to tell us what the reason was.
Thanks for answering my question again this week! The Ascent is definitely on our short list and I agree that the Touring is the best value and probably where we'd end up. Not sure if we'd go bench or captain's chairs though.
Thanks for participating, we really love answering questions from Instagram. Yes, take it for a test drive you may be surprised. I like the fact that I don't have to spend a ton of money on a 7-8 seater vehicle.
The Touring only comes with the captain's chairs in the middle row. You cannot get a bench in the middle row on a Touring.
@@ahsahm In Canada you can but not in the US.
@@andreaspencer9813 Oh OK, that's so weird!
@@ahsahm Yes, the trims in Canada and the US can be quite different. It would be much easier for us as reviewers if they were the same as we have followers of course in both countries.
When will you do a new review on the 2023?
Here's a quiz. What are the slowest selling 3 row mainstream SUVs in North America. For 2021 the Mazda CX-9 holds its place as the worst selling vehicle. Barely above the Mazda is the Subaru Ascent. What distinguishes the CX-9 and the Ascent from their rivals?
First and foremost is the lone offering of a turbo 4 in each vehicle when nearly all their rivals offer standard or optional V6 or hybrid alternatives. Then there are the transmissions. The Subaru offers only a CVT and the Mazda provides only a long-in-the-tooth six speed conventional AT. Every rival offers either a conventional torque converter AT or a DCT. The Ascent's (and the CX-9's) drivetrain may be adequate for a family hauler but it doesn't stand out in any significant way.
The bottom line is that Subaru's strong reputation among its loyal customer base stems from reliability and unique offerings. The Ascent's early teething problems (by no means unique among any new model) put a dent in the reliability reputation. The fact that Ascent is simply not unique in any positive way compared to its rivals has been a continuing issue.
Prices on new Ascents are higher by several thousand dollars compared to vehicles sold in 2020. Blame the car shortage.
Ascent is just okay, in my opinion. It's a decent first effort for Subaru on a "new" model, but it just isn't quite competitive with some of the competition. The interior and tech are about two classes below Palisade/Telluride (more on par with the crappy American offerings like the Explorer and Traverse), and it doesn't have the roominess of an Atlas. Highlander is also a much nicer option than this.
Great review. Subaru's are the best.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed the review.
It's everywhere in the US market. In fact I just traded in my 2019 for a 2022
Subaru has been making a CVT since the 87' Justy.... now most carmakers have some models with CVT's
Wish Subaru would have hybrid version without turbo. It could act almost like a turbo by quickly increasing the revs.
With the accent already looking like a highlander and vice versa, maybe Toyota can give a hand with the hybrid tech.
6 recalls for my ascent, now CVT may have to be replaced. Sorry, do not do it
Think u got a Lemon. I just traded my 2019 for a 2022 model. Hardly had any problem with my last one.
CVT reliability comments?
Lane keep assistance?
The CVT transmission and boxer engine are dealbreakers for me.
And despite Subaru being well loved, it has faced a few nagging issues over the past few years, to include some big-ticket (and pricey) repair issues, like problems with its CVT transmission and Subaru’s engine problems.
All of my Toyota automatic transmissions lasted the life of the vehicles getting beyond 300k miles (>480K km). I am very skeptical about the CVTs, saving couple miles a gallon won’t be enough to pay for the failed transmission at 150K miles.
It will blow a head gasket before the CVT goes out. There is no reason to buy a Subaru over a Toyota.
The issue with a Subaru CVT is not the CVT. Its Subaru of America's insistence that the CVT is a sealed transmission that does not need to be serviced. It needs to be serviced like any other transmission and proper care will have it just as long as any other transmission. Mr. Subaru's vehicles have proven that.
Also, Subaru's haven't had a headgasket issue since the early 2000's lol.
I wish Subaru would put power passenger seats in their cars.
The Subaru Ascent top two models have power seat on both driver and passenger seats.
big car with a cvt is just and "eh" experience, the competitors on this segment don't use cvts anymore
@@naveenthemachine planetary gears is not exactly the same as a cvt
Would have been a great vehicle when the kids were young. Somehow we managed getting 3 kids in the back seat of a 1991 Civic and did that for several years.
Good for you! My Mom managed to get 3 kids in the back of a Ford Pinto and we were all fine. Well, there was that recall... YIKES!
@@andreaspencer9813
Yikes indeed. I remember the exploding Pintos.
@@JoKIA_-100 Crazy
It's overlooked for a good reason lol
Third-row seats standard or optional?
Standard
Spoke to a friend who is a Subaru ambassador when I was in the market for a full size SUV. He told me that these vehicles have issues with warped brake rotors and leaky moonroofs. I opted for a 2021 Chevrolet Tahoe Z71.
That's a big price/size difference. How do you like the Tahoe? The wife and I are in the process of trying to replace our 2017 Pacifica with either a full-size truck or body-on-frame SUV. Right now the leading contenders are the F-150, Ram 1500, Wagoneer, Tahoe, and Expedition.
@@mattspeer01 After 4000 miles, I think our Tahoe is outstanding. We looked at Ascent, Telluride, Atlas and Palisade. I chose the Tahoe for the size and reliability, honestly. The 5.3L V8 is tried and true. The tech and interior appointments are good quality for the money as well. Another thing that I personally like about it is the size. Both for usability and the fact that if my wife and daughter are in a collision with it, it will stand up well. This generation has great improvements over the previous, including more 3rd row space.
@@mattspeer01 In my opinion, after trading an FCA SUV, I would avoid Wagoneer and Grand Cherokee L. I have been a die-hard Mopar fan for 20 years and after the issue with our 2020 Wrangler Unlimited Sahara after only 15k miles and issues in that mileage range with previous Chryslers, I threw in the towel. And honestly, the Wagoneer seems extremely overpriced to me.
@@mattspeer01 A note about Tahoe as far as fuel economy, trim level matters. I have spoken to other owners and the Z71 averages between 14.8 and 15.0 mpg vs the other trims at 16.0-17.0 mpg. I have been unable to hit the minimum 16.0 mpg city mileage despite my sincerest efforts, including tire pressure increased to 45 psi cold and a new K&N factory replacement air filter.
We’ve had numerous subarus over the last 10 years or so all with no issues. We leased a 2019 Ascent in June of 2019. We loved everything about(especially size and comfort), but since the beginning we had issues with the warped rotors. After 2 years and 7,200 miles the transmission started shifting weird as well. My wife does all city driving and was getting 15-18 mpg. We decided to trade it a few months ago on a highlander hybrid. I love the highlander, but she misses the size and feel of the ascent. If I could have found a deal on another one, I would have given it another chance. Deals were horrible.
How is it now the ones before had a lot of recall
I’ve got a 2020 that I’ve had for almost 2 years and absolutely love it. Zero problems!
I like better tha a Forester. As an owner of a Forester, I can say that :)
Zak i agree.. i see these on the road and think there outbacks everytime.
Nice! A little more warranty, please.
I like your shoes Zack!! Nice kicks. Did Andrea pick them out, not meant as an insult she's always very nicely dressed and coordinated.
All on my own, they are from Japan.
No hyb No electr ?
waiting for the Subaru Forester Wilderness review :) \m/
It's coming soon!
@@andreaspencer9813 Thanks Andrea! cant wait. please keep that episode long as much as you can :)
Our next SUV will be a 3 row, I need a V6
The Subaru Ascent was just dropped from Consumer Reports recommended status due to issues their subscribers are having.
I just wish Subaru would get rid of the CVT
Not only are Subarus much slower than competition, but the people who buy them typically drive then at 20 mph UNDER the posted speed limit. Easily the most annoying vehicles you will encounter on the road. Only the STX models are the exception.
The one you are driving is not a basic Subaru. That’s a Touring. The top of the line.
Yes, it's the top trim, we said, it's the Premier which is your Touring trim in the US.
Once you said “CVT”, I couldn’t hear a thing
Can you review the Buick Encore GX?
We'll see if we can get one!
@@andreaspencer9813 Thank You! You guys are amazing at reviewing these vehicles and giving an honest opinion!
@@spanish_fly10 We really appreciate the kind words, thank you so much! 🙏
I only watch these videos because of Andrea and her short skirts. If you had an OF I’m in lol. Jokes aside thanks for another great video guys! Keep up the hard work.
Bro, u that thirsty?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@peterretep1010 can’t help myself when battling all these wildfires in Cali. We’re in a drought you know. Lol