Hey YouTube - Seriously, WTF??!!!
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Is it plain old naked discrimination for small channels, bias by the bots, or punishment for those still refusing to drink the google coolaid? No one outside of RUclips corporate headquarters can really know... but there's something happening here.
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Soooo many comments! Let me condense the major threads you are posting:
1) A great many FranLab subscribers have not gotten notifications of my new videos for months.
2) Many subscribers have discovered they were automatically unsubbed by RUclips without their knowledge.
3) Mysteriously, THIS video is trending.
4) Channels that receive support from Patreon but not Google ads are being ghosted out of recommendations on RUclips.
5) My fellow content creators overwhelmingly suggest that monetization may now be a requirement for participation on the platform.
#5 almost makes sense, if RUclips only makes money off selling ads to advertisers, and you post a video they can't put ads in, why would they push the content that eats bandwidth without a return on investment?
just a thought.
I subbed to you ages ago and like you say I stopped getting notifications and as I am an occasional viewer of yours I didn't notice for a while. Up this video pops in my feed, I click on it and there you go, I am somehow unsubscribed.
RUclips still benefits via platform lock-in. If almost all great content is on RUclips, then viewers will stay for the convenience even if the content is also elsewhere. But if great stuff is only on other platforms then views will move or split their visits and that'd give a rival traction. It seems like google is trying to thread the needle and juuust useful enough to keep that from happening, but no more.
@@seanclark8452 that does make sense, they make money in way more ways than just the simple stuff we normally think of. just opening the app gets a ad in from of us.
that being said, I've seen people moving to other video platforms over this stuff.
This is the first video of yours in ages that has appeared in my recommended list
Do you solder with your right hand? I have heard Googles latest algorithm actively discriminates against any on the right....
Funny that the first time I've heard of your channel is when this video showed up tonight in my "recommended" feed. It is a mystery.
Random Button Pusher same. Weird
same here
Lol same maby youtube was like oh no somebody figured us out lets start recommending them
and here
Same here!...but "funny" i think not! aliens are a foot
Taking the "you" out of RUclips since January 2018.
I would say more around 2010 or whenever they got rid of customizable channel pages.
RUclips may as well put the word f*ck before You (F*ckRUclips)
@ DesolationAngel101: they've been successfully taking the You out of RUclips even longer ago. Especially when they forced everyone into the Beta Channels where you could not design your channel anymore the way you wanted and every profile page looked the same. Turning everyone into grey mice.
They should rename it ,, use another word that sounds like You but ends in W , but then that could be anti something pmsl .
Pretty funny how when you call them out on it, the bots must collect that data as well. Because this is the first time I have ever seen your channel. Very informative by the way.
I had the same general thought. I should have seen her channel long ago.
this was in my suggested vidoes lmao...weird...
Same
Jup same, somehow this did get recommended to me, and its in line with what I view. So it should have given me her video's before, jet somehow they didn't untill now...
I just found this channel after this video was made.
You know I haven't seen any of your videos in a while and I assumed you stopped posting, I know I subscribed, and yet I am currently staring at a big red subscribe button... so ether I didn't and thought I did or youtube has unsubscribed me.
I know I was subscribed to her and you as well, but somehow, I never got any new notifications from you and fran for months, I thought you both stopped or were not uploading due to personal circumstances. I know for a fact I was subbed to the both of you. But somehow I unsubbed without me knowing about it. I just resubbed to the both of you. WTH is this happening???
This is exactly what I was thinking as i watch this video, and stare at the big red subscribe button... I was subscribed, i'm pretty sure.
ditto !! ...
a fellow utahn hey there
Is known issue. Bell Byron and subscribe. Yt said is fixed but I doubt it.
They had a glitch where f you deselect bell it unsubscribed you too. A year ago or more, plus way it handled (bell implementation) regarding old subscribers was shady af as outline don’t explain how they dealt with it exactly
RUclips seems to be primarily interested in social engineering these days.
$$$s... places like YT & NFLX are now basically TV stations. I wonder how long before YT will be advertising its own movie quality level shows? Have you seen how bad OTA TV has gotten? They're just focusing on news & weather because they can't even put enough money into afternoon shows because they are losing out to internet content.
John Possum They already are - "RUclips Red Originals" or whatever they're called
Unless that was sarcasm, in which case my bad
yeah, you're probably right but I haven't seen those yet and from where I sit somehow they don't seem quite in the same league of success as "Orange is the new black" or "behaving badly" just yet. I'd really like to know how many subscriptions they have to YTTV.
Yes, they are a bunch of virtue signallers
"they are a bunch of virtue signallers" says some guy signalling his virtue of scorning virtue signallers. :-)
I think you nailed it. You're not taking ad revenue, so Google isn't making money off you. No soup for you!
I wonder if Facebook "pay to be seen" tactics are on the way?
Facebook has been doing this for years, specifically with Pages. When do you see anything from a Page anymore that's not an ad?
I guess RUclips is same as google and Facebook they control who sees what and when according to how much you pay them. Easy to test just do a paid ad or post on Facebook business.... suddenly he gate is open and look how many likes you get. Do another post unpaid and you get virtually no response. It's the same with websites and google....so these now big so called friendly platforms are actually just corporate money making machines.... what happened to the internet....
... Probably. :( I'm guessing that $90,000,000 spent on promoting corporate news channels might have something to do with that development.
It's already happening. I've seen channels which have paid to get their content posted as a video ad, just to get in front of more eyes. Not sure if it's really effective, or just flushing money down the tube (pun intended).
Fracture: They aren't on the way, but the essential Facebook business model for years now.
There’s some irony in this showing up in my recommended list. 🤷🏻♂️ Good luck working through it. 👍
Same thing happened to my channel. I went from getting HUNDREDS of subs a week to ten AFTER improving my vids. The trash they put in trending sums up that they only care about old media like late night TV or vapid ex viners. I invested so much and my channel is DOA. I sympathize because I know how disheartening it is.
@@officialWWM Thanks man.
I too have been a fan for a long time!
I never click the trendings. The few times I have were accidental. The content I saw sort of shocked me and made me sad. Such garbage!!!
@@mercoid Yep. Things like "Doing my nails in a power outage" is trending or they heavily push old media. We came to RUclips to get away from traditional mass media.
The maddest thing Is that they were very keen to push your channel when there was a bit of a barney going on with that Will person. it's like they want the platform to become Diss tracks and tribal nonesense exclusively
I think you might have to re-monetise your channel to test this, as doubt RUclips are going to tell you, as they have almost zero track record on doing that.
Yes, re- monetize your channel and see what happens. I will try to find the article, but another education channel, that was not monetizing there content was being threatened by YT that there content would be removed unless YT would be able to run ads on it. YT of course takes the biggest cut when ads run on videos and if they can't make money off your content, they will not promote it. I do believe April is around the time I heard YT was trying this, so it makes sense that, this is the time you started seeing the drop off.
I don't have the means to support on patreon. I do have the means to watch ads. Dave and Fran will not get any money from me unless you guys monetize. I assume I am not the only one in this situation.
When you consider the sheer scale of storing (At least 400 hours per minute is uploaded!) and delivering RUclips content on demand it does make sense that they would prioritise videos that generate them revenue to contribute to the massive running costs.
If you believe the available statistics then RUclips doesn't quite break even yet and is supported by other Google income. I keep non-intrusive adverts on my videos to support RUclips.
Yes, re-monetize the channel, Fran. It will be interesting to see the effect.
I'd actually be very surprised if RUclips don't "de-prioritise" videos that aren't monetised. Makes total sense for them to do that from a business perspective.
RUclips management have made a lot of mistakes in the past 9 months or so, killing good channels.
You got that right, because if it's not a channel that's pushing their "political agenda", or from an old dinosaur media company like NBC that can churn out content 24/7, then they don't want to push it.
Haha this video showed up on my recommended videos. The really funny thing is your content is the type of stuff I watch
Same here
Same here
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Same here
you find it funny ? you obviously underestimate what the youtube Artificial Intelligence bot knows about you.
you only think its funny because you believe its incidental.
its not tho.
Yeah that isn't very funny
My channel is monetized and I had a massive drop in suggested views starting abruptly on June 1st. First half of the year was looking like the best year ever... last half seems to be the worst ever.
It seems to be the same time that RUclips rolled out channel memberships and merchandising to content creators. They might be squeezing channels to get them to offset their income with the memberships and merchandise.
exact same time my channel died
Same here, June was the months in which my channel instantly died, Suggestion views dropped, they were around 90% of the views now only 5%, But what really bothers me is the same channel in my niches just insanely exploded with subs and views at the same time my channel died, it's really pity from youtube and whats funny is that i even NOW put more work in videos than i ever did before..
same. End of May start of June.
The "suggested videos" sucks for me right now. Both on the main (home) page, and in videos, such as this one. I'm getting suggestions like I've already seen the entire youtube, and it's only showing me old stuff that I already viewed. It makes no sense and the last few months I had to dig deeper and deeper manually just to get _some_ content.
...Yes, exactly! Absolutely the same for me. Its frustrating and time wasting, this absurd change. I typically never use the word "absurd". However, I fear using the word "STUPID" would make me sound immature and not taken seriously. This is a very serious issue, in so many ways. It doesn't take a Masters Degree or any formal education to realize this. Simply common sense... at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I feel like there has got to be some ulterior motive behind this. At the very least, a bottom line of "money"...something is not right. I realize this new generation has been schooled differently, and have grown up in a very different "world" than the generation prior, but they cant be this dumb. Besides, us "old schoolers" are still working and must be in the higher echelons of corporate management, right?
I just posted a similar opinion, then began to read the comments section. I am thinking YouTurd is not listening !
I've noticed that too. It shows vids I've already watched or marked to "watch later".
You just came up in my suggested videos. I am just now learning of you and happily subscribing! Can’t wait to view all your content.
Hi Fran, just wanted you to know that I found your video because YT suggested it. Hope things turn around for your channel.
until today i never heard of this channel. when i opened youtube this was on the start page as recomeneded to me by youtube
Same here. But I'm glad, I found a new channel of interest to me, something that rarely happens through youtube suggestions.
..Same with Me....Maybe "They" Heard Her ?...
Same here! I subbed :-)
same
Same, while this is something that will probably interest me. The RUclips suggestion thing is broken though.
Once I was watching some video about cosmology/physics/something like that and RUclips suggested a Harry Potter video...
It has only gotten worse over time, totally ridiculous suggestions of videos I would really never watch.
I literally noticed this on my sidebar randomly and decided to see what the fuss was. I hope they fix your situation! Best wishes!
I literally don't think you needed to literally use the word literally in that literally already literal statement.
I just found this channel recently through the recommended videos (after watching a guy repair a guitar amp). Loving the content so far. You seem like a nice person and I hope RUclips is treating you better these days.
AWESOME analysis!!!! All that time, work and passion you put into your videos and this is what you get for it, it's just crazy. I wish RUclips had a major competitor so it wouldn't be such a monopoly. Problem is that they've grown way too large and now see all their content providers as peasants to be bullied!
Fran, You're not alone. I have made friends with some guys who make woodworking videos professionally. In the last year they have seen their engagement go way down, views per video, and so on. There is lots of chatter about the reasons why. It seems like the amount of available content grows exponentially, so you are competing with way more other videos, new and old, and it's only going to get worse. So things get better from the viewing end, but worse for the content providers.
however steady growth of competing content still wouldn't account for the sudden drop in new subscribers that Fran is questioning in the video, which seems clearly the result in some change on youtube's handling the channel.
I agree with BR, it doesn't explain it. My channel has dropped drastically in Social Blade ranking (subs/views/etc) due to incrseased "competition" (which is a good thing), yet my actual growth in views and subs has not really dropped, it just keep going. Fran has been a huge order of magnitude drop, my guess is that she demonetised her videos.
From a viewers perspective, on the other hand, it's much like there are just about 200 channels in total. I'm calling it the "RUclips small world phenomenon" and I've been writing on this elsewhere for a bit of time now. I'm actually struggling for new, decent content outside the recommendations bubble.
@ Norbert Landsteiner
I think the RUclips suggestion algorithm works with "themes". A clusters of arbitrarily related videos and channels. If enough of your last views match such a "theme" you get more suggestions out of that and nothing else (or at least very little other stuff).
From what I have heard, more videos can bite you if the % of subscribers that don't click through new content quickly enough it recommends you much much less (not a subscriber have never seen this channel but this video in my suggested just now....)
RUclips is in the process of committing suicide
Hate to say that is not true. When you have a business where everyone makes your content and you have so little overhead and huge profits, you can live on forever.
the west is in the process of committing suicide
You say that now, but MySpace made big money and had less overhead then RUclips and they were still left in the dirt. Every business owner knows no business lasts forever. I believe Bezos said that in a interview once.
@lostintime86 I believe they aren't so much committing suicide, they just don't want to be what they are now. They want to be another Netflix. Slowly, VERY slowly, they want to kill off these little channels. 5-10 years from now you won't even recognize YT.
the MSM has lost all credibility, RUclips is trying to PUSH those LIARS.
they used to be about the content creators, now they are about greed and automated fascist thought control, just like television "programming". DUMB MOVE, the MSM's ratings ARE going down the toilet.
I've never heard of your channel, but it popped up in my recommended list tonight and I love this stuff, going to subscribe and like.
Found you this week , suggested by RUclips after searching for pocket watch cleaning video. The one you made on pocket watches came up. I am now subbed, great channel.
Hello random person. For some reason, this popped up on my home page recommended section right at the top. lol If you make some noise, stir the pot, they will come.
Same here. Never seen her before and this is the video that popped up.
Same here first time seeing this channel this is the first time I have had this channel pop up in my suggestion feed and I usually watch DIY channels mostly so it's strange that it is never been in my feed until she complains seems like RUclips / Google is going along with the elitist View but if you don't push what they want they will not allow you to become popular
ditto
Just poped up on mine.. sub for sub...
Same for me too
The power of Google Matrix mind control. Fran, welcome to the Borg. Free thinkers must be punished.
Seems too scary to be true. It probably is true.
Please explain how this one YT channel is loosing money for RUclips?
I just asked for your explanation before i commented more; that's the Effen Truth! "They need to make money", does not explain how a FREE platform needs it's content producers to give them money (feel free to copy and paste here where it states that in user agreement). And comparing me to creating a platform such as this, is not at all the same as such large companies as PayPal or Goggle, being the former and current owners, creating and affording a platform such as YT. So, If bringing in monies for YT FROM its contributors is so important, than why not explain this to avid content contributors? Why the secret? Doesn't sound like a good buisness model to alienate your clients. As claimed, she explained, YT has not mentioned she should monitize and has yet to receive and explanation. So, IF this is truely what YT wishes for this OP and others to do, please provide a link to prove your theory, instead of just secondhand speculation. I do believe and understand that MOST buisnesses need to make money, same with YT; then why delete Alex Jones and other conservatives with large forllowing that are monetized??? Hate speech? Nah, media makes loads of monies off that. Don't believe everything you read or hear. Advertizing income alone does not get Google to over $100B year net income, and that's another Effen Truth! MY hunch, based on your YT name and the comments you make, is you just need to show how superior you beleive you are by making snide comments. Which only serves to make yourself feel better because you feel like such a failure in life. It's called Narcissism. No matter how smart you are, there will always be someone smarter than YOU! That's another Effen Truth! BTW, how are you contributing monies to YT with no content? Do you have to pay? Or is it free to you as well? Now go follow the money on how Google, ahem, RUclips really make their monies.
Your channel was “recommended” just yesterday on the RUclips app on my Vizio monitor without being signed in. I never saw it before when signed in on another device. I’m now a subscriber and enjoying your work. Thank you for your talent and dedication.
Congratulations, Fran. I stumbled across this little gem of a video because it appeared in my "Recommended" videos list this morning.
Either you're making progress against the nameless faceless Google bureaucracy, or something else has changed. I'm predicting the latter.
RUclips is currently spamming my suggestions with some video of a 1000deg ball melting things. it's dumb and I don't wanna see it. but I do notice it has millions of views and is always there just nagging me to watch. sometimes up to 3 different videos of it melting different things. RUclips has a ton of control
That damn 1000deg ball!!! They ought to send it to the hydrolic press channel....
click the 3 dots and mark it as "not interested", you can tell them why too
Electrofrying D
Help a litle. U get fresh crap.
Yes. In fact, you are expected to do. Dislikes also affect recommendations.
I know. Just click the video. It gets marked as watched and is disappeares. That is my trick for this problem.
Your videos also NEVER pop up on my RUclips homepage/recommended. Even tho I frequently watch. BUT I get a ton of recommendations for "Machine Gun Kelly", "Will Smith"" and Eminem" even tho I have NO interest in them and never even seen their videos.
I always click the "Not interested" on these "suggested" videos. At least these ones don"t come back.
wow... I didn't even know you could do that. Thank you so much.
@@InXLsisDeo sometimes not interested is not enough, some videos just keep going back, even after 10 times not interested.
Well they can push what ever, thankfully people can still think freely and make huge decisions when NOT to click (bait). But when there is channel hidden for same reason, that's new step further.
The recommendations are heavily influenced by your watch history, I usually delete something from my history (or watch in incognito tab) if I think it's some crap that'll lead to other crap being recommended for me..
You were a suggested video on my page... Glad I picked it to check out!
came over from Marfoogle News, I've been looking for a channel like yours for a very long time. can't hardly wait to get started.
I've definitely seen some channels not showing up on my YT home page for months now.
Some channels don't give notifications any more, even if I have "All Notifications" enabled, and the bell icon ticked.
The bell icon has also been broken for well over a year, where it will spontaneously un-tick the "All Notifications" option.
When I try to click it again, I get the "Unexpected Error" message. I have to unsub then re-sub before it will allow me to click it again.
It can't just be me with the issue, and there's no doubt about it being a server-side problem (ie. GoogleTube).
I did report it multiple times, and got a reply from them on Twitter, but it's still not fixed.
But yes, it's not your imagination (as you have shown with the data), GoogleTube have been trying to kill off the smaller channels for a couple of years now. :(
They're only interested in the mega-popular money makers, which is stupid because all channels have to start somewhere, and those channels could also turn into mega channels eventually.
I don't get it as a business model. Surely Google bought RUclips with the full knowledge that smaller channels being allowed to make great content is the entire basis of the platform's popularity and growth?
I'm not sure what they're up to atm, but they still seem to be doing well at upsetting a lot of great content makers. Many people I know have jumped ship to Twitch etc.
The thing is, I do love RUclips still. I hardly ever watch TV any more. I just wish they would stop suffocating the smaller channels, and even some of the larger ones.
Keep doing what you do, Fran. ;)
Oh, and both of your videos showed up in my notifications today.
I can say for sure the same didn't happen the other week - I only saw your vids in the Inbox. Really frustrating.
Granted, I am subbed to over 1,200 channels (but only watch maybe 10-15 regularly). lol
I can't have notifications enabled for more than say 30-40 channels, which isn't a huge number of vids per day.
(the majority of those channels only post new vids once or twice a week.)
I’ve noticed that, I actually thought Fran had stopped making videos.
Yes I thought fran had stopped, Im sure I checked her channel and seen nothing new uploaded since last year couple months ago... yet about 3 weeks ago vids started appearing again.....
im not getting noyices for fran since 40 days or so
I honestly thought you had stopped making videos. I had watched a few of your videos but I never actually subscribed. Your videos stopped showing up in my recommended so I just figured you weren't making anymore. This is the first of your videos to show up on my home page, and at that, I had scrolled way down before I saw it. I'm just going to go ahead and subscribe now in case RUclips pulls this crap again.
Exactly the same here
Same!
Same here.
Also subscribed.
Ah -- ditto. Was enthralled with your project to recreate the display tech on the Apollo capsule.
I came here from the recommended videos on my home page.. just so you know. :) Cool channel! Poking around now.
Wow, I am a subscriber and I hadn't seen any of your videos for ages and no notifications of new ones until this one.
I’m a subscriber and you haven’t been suggested to me in a long time.
Same here.
same here
same here
Me too, this is the first video suggested in awhile, been subscribed for years!
Yep, here as well.
Well I love your videos for what it’s worth. RUclips is killing off a lot of great channels which is why I cancelled my youtube red subscription. It’s a shame that they’ve decided to betray the people that made them great, but this has happened to a lot of folks for whatever reason and I think that’s super sad.
yetdynamic yeah I have to wonder too since youtube operates at some ridiculous cost to Google. I’ve mostly switched to things like bitchute at this point.
wolfdiabolique yeah in the end it was a better move to just divvy up what it was costing me and send it to my top 5 favorite patreon creators. I feel better knowing it’s going directly to them anyway.
I had not come across your channel before. Today, this video came up in my suggested videos, grouped with some other channels I watch regularly.
Subbed instantly (even not knowing yet what You're actually doing/showing on Your channel).
Found You on my RUclips start site which I recurrently renew 'cause I found it the best way fishing for exactly that thing: interesting videos/topics no longer popping up besides the videos I watch (for what reason ever). Thanks for the work put in this, even knowing there's only a small margin of people like me.
You were the first one to explain my vague feeling of "how got youtube so bloody boring recently?"
I first thought it would derive from people (people producing interesting content, that is) simply leaving their channels alone after the adpocalypse, but it turns out I somehow just do not find new exiting weirdos any more without actively (or even desperately and thus inventively) searching.
Trying to do my "youtubing" without being logged in didn't help, it was more like reducing suggestions to "below 72 IQ points", and logged in it seemed like the walls of my bloody personal youtube bubble got more solid with every day of effortlessly browsing youtube suggestions.
This nerdy marketing hipsters writing algorithms to steer people where ever they think we have to be steered towards thoroughly ruined my RUclips universe.
I would readily change platform instantly would there be any halfway serious alternative.
Thank You for making videos and sharing whatever You share. I'll explore the next days ...
I feel your pain. Though I only have 15 thousand subscribers, I am experiencing the same thing on my channel. Just prior to that it was growing by Leaps and Bounds every month.
I just got a notification at the top of my feed just a moment ago. I had *no* idea you had been uploading; heck, I binged all your content for a few days at one point.
Just finding your channel now. It's definitely a solid recommendation that was on my feed.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Your questions at the end really reveal RUclips's endgame, corporate education. I just subscribed however.
I’ve also heard that the algorithm is automatically unsubscribing older inactive accounts. This causes a lot of fluctuation for small creators like me. Thanks for this break down.
Music Islife
No, it's not fair at all bc then they can unsubscribe people from channels they don't like while only claiming it was bc of inactivity. And I do know that this is practice as I've been unsubscribed from channels even though I wasn't inactive.
I found your channel via Dave Jones, and I'm glad I did; I enjoy your content a great deal.
Same for me.
ahhh.. Daveo .. he's the man to set on this issue..
as a suggested video while watching him? Or you mean he mentioned her channel?
@John If I remember right, he mentioned her, so I looked up her channel.
Fran led me to Dave. Dave was a suggestion from Frans channel because of her Apollo LVDC video. If Frans Apollo video had not have shown up as a suggestion after watching one about the Apollo Guidance Computer, then I would have missed out on two great channels!
You were in 'recommended' on my front page today - for the first time ever!! your channel would not normally be my usual interest (apart from me liking totally random videos - about totally random stuff) except for "Hey You Tube -Seriously, WTF??!!!" that kind of 'aggression' against the establishment always drags me in :)
I'm wondering if they only allow a certain number of subs/notifications. I've noticed many of my subs /notifications being turned off and not by me.
It may be unrelated but I noticed that when I was carrying links in the description to my Patreon page, the number of views I got from "suggested videos" fell significantly. That's why I don't carry a link to my Patreon page in my description any more. That may have been one factor but there are other factors as well because I know a *lot* of long-time channels have seen the same thing. Unsurprisingly, most of these channels are educational in nature and don't use click-baity thumbnails or chase popular subjects in seek of big views.
It seems that RUclips is chasing the dollars and they know that there's no money in smaller channels (especially those which are unmoneitized) that don't create "clickbait" videos. :-(
That's a good factor to check as youtube are rolling out their own system to compete with patreon, where you can "join" a channel for 5 currencyunits a month. It's in beta and only enabled on some channels so far, though
@Dave Merrick People are going to have to start saying bit.ly links during the video, hor stupid is that? If you want to cite a source or give credit, you get reprimanded because it reduces watchtime. Will this ever get better?
xjet anytime you take people off RUclips, RUclips will directly punish you. They’ve directly said it in the Creator Insider. I have to send people off because ad revenue is dead
This may meet the basic definition of an anti-competitive practice.
You came up in my recommendations. I think you solved your issue.
Same here. Squeaky wheel?
Yep came up in mine as well.
Yes, mine also. And I am hardly of a scientific slant, more cars and bikes. Though I am hooked on AVE.
Jim Kennedy Skucum Choocher!
Mine too, I don’t know what this lady does.
I subbed years ago and thought you had stopped making videos because you haven't been showing up in my feed. It's only because Dave Jones from eevblog talked about you that I realized you were still going. I've clicked that bell thing so I should get notifications now.
This showed up on my homepage. I watched you in the past, without subscribing. I've subscribed now.
I'm gonna go back. Watch everything and like everything I like. I was not a subscriber and I don't know why they sent me here but I want you to succeed. I am subscribed now.
Me too, peterthinks, liked and subscribed just now, Best wishes, Fran, hope you get a million! Come on, RUclips! I'm going to check all your vids, Fran, never forget, there's 68k subscribers behind you, plus one.
I second that
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RUclips appears to be a platform that is channeling more and more people into fewer and fewer major channels. Back in the day, a subject matter expert that produced rich content could develop a successful channel. The production quality of the video did not have to be exceptional, but the information content needed to be good. As people engaged in the videos, the channel would grow, as youtube would reward the channel by exposing this to more people. I have built successful channels in the past, but now my experience is it is almost impossible to develop a new channel based on unique, high quality, subject matter expert content. It is like they have decided they want youtube to be an entertainment platform with 100 channels. I desperately wish a viable competitor for youtube would come out to serve as a free market for ideas, with success based on viewer response.
there are attempts at this.. but im waiting to see how they pan cuzz i know Google will just buy them up too....
If you want a hamburger you will have to Pay for it.
I do not understand the hamburger reference?
I think he is meaning, that if you want to see change, you have to make that change.
A youtube competitor cannot grow, if no content creators join it to give it content that will attract viewers away from youtube. The consumers of the media, the viewers, have to choose to watch content elsewhere.
Goldmarble . . . I agree with you, if there was any viable alternative to youtube, I would start publishing there. It is not just a monetization issue, as my youtube channels continue to generate income. The issue is the heavy handed way youtube treats publishers. I continue to see content rich channels like Fran's get pushed to the side.
Coincidentally I was thinking about you a couple of days ago and wondering where you'd gone. Funnily enough this video came up in the recommendations. Now subscribed.
Ironically this video appeared in my recommended tab. Subscribed immediately. It's like watching the Open University; awesome!
Let's recommend manually. Just link to each other and other channels at every video
Fran I experience the same. I completely rely on traffic that is coming from articles written by third parties about my projects. If there is no press the video gets like 3k views even with retention over 50% and 99% likes. To be fair we had a awesome weather this summer in Europe. I hope for improvement in the cold seasons. But I could check my analytics if you are interested to see if it was the same time something changed
I just got this video on youtube homepage.
I have watched some relevant content (algorithm relevant) with yours, from other channels,
but I don't recall watching any video of yours.
so when I refreshed youtube homepage, next to suggestions from those channels, I got this exact video.
keep up the good work and I hope the algorithm will work better for you, according to the effort you put.
For what it's worth, this video was suggested to me and is the first video of yours I've seen. And I'm in Australia. There's probably nobody in RUclips who could answer your question like there is nobody who can answer how some old machine works. The algorithm has dozens of inputs and who knows what AI to process them. But if you stopped taking ad revenue, which you kinda suggest you have, that would be bad. That is after all how Google makes money.
Same here.....
I think YT hate the fact they take no cut on Patreon and they punish the video creators this way. Am I right?
Xander that's facebook. Those ads pay the bandwidth bills for youtube. I can't imagine they're relying on personal data sales like Facebook for profit. I mean the data shouldn't even be that similar should it? I hope you're not right. And the Ad revenue should be no excuse for RUclips to censor people. However... we already do know that's not true.
Thing is people use youtube to host videos shared via Patreon. Patreon supplies the cash register but expects content to be streamed from other sites
If it's just business then why was this error just corrected? I haven't seen any videos of hers reccomended to me in ten months. Now all of a sudden I'm seeing them. Somebody pressed a button.
I miss the days when RUclips was a level playing field but it seems pretty obvious that Google is playing with a stacked deck and loaded dice these days. I'm probably going to delete my channel.
I miss the days when companies honoured a contract with you and didn't change the rules on the fly as every. single. company. seems to do these days.
I've been on RUclips for many years... and your content is the very sort of stuff that interests me. Just about everything I've subscribed to was based on recommendations from RUclips. I've never heard of you until this video popped up in my recommended section.
I thought you dropped off RUclips. I had not seen a new video notice all summer, nor had I seen any updates on my home page. Glad to see you are still here, I need to sub you again on this account as I don't use the old one much any more. Glad to see you still here.
Follow the money; mystery solved. They are not making a penny from you so they will suggest someone's videos that makes them money instead.
Correct
All I know is Fran you do a wonderful job with your videos and RUclips is really screwing the pooch on a whole lot of other people too so I don't know what what's actually what they're what they think you're doing because I love your videos and I look forward to seeing them pop up and stuff so you just keep it up
That was a bit of a ... sentence (?)Maybee use some punctuation next time.
just so you know. you popped up on my home page recommended for me. thank for making these
I will never unsubscribe from this channel. If I do/am, it's not by my hand. We need a competitor to YT. So they can welcome in all the dis-satisfied YT customers. One that is truly open to everyone and doesn't discriminate which ultimately hinders the betterment of humankind thru the learning process made possible by watching instructional videos like yours Fran!
Fran, sorry I didn't subscribe before, but I've done that now. Yes, you just showed up today as a suggested video. I would watch your content back in the first part of the year, but you just dropped out of sight. I'll go back and try to watch everything for 2018. Thanks for what you do!! You are amazing!
You're not wrong. I have similar stats, the tap was just turned off. I've been subscribed for a while, but haven't seen your videos in my feed, this one being an exception. Feels like they keep moving the goal posts.
I've been a subscriber for about 3 years and clicked on this video because I missed you. Not sure why I haven't seen you in my feed for quite a while. I use youtube about every hour when Im awake skimming for cool videos. Glad I saw this. I really did miss you.
This came up in Reccomendations, but it's the first time one of your videos has appeared in my reccomendations in months. Hope they get their act together. Keep up the good work!
Only the beginning of AI enforcement. Good luck.
Its a CONSPIRAACCCCCCYYYYY!!!!
Ai and algorithims are ramping up.
My channel is getting the same treatment. I used to get a reasonable amount a views, (not a lot, but 1k-2k per video), recently, I'm down to 100-200 per video. YT is pouring salt into the pot and ruining the soup
its "take a fat pay cut because we're tyrants". if you're an independent news channel and tell truth about their corrupt AF "hero's" expect PUNISHMENT!
"freedom of speech, ok speak for no pay, no wait, just STFU"
they ARE midterm election meddling, and in dire need of a legal spanking.
like others on here. This is the very 1st time of ever seeing this channel...not until tonight has your channel ever appeared in my recommended section!
Fran, new subscriber here! You just popped into my RUclips recommendations page one day. You must be doing something right. Love your channel!
RUclips = DowntheTube
Wow. What a shame. Just for the record. I'm in the UK. Have subscribed for ages. Always look forward to your videos. Have noticed the steady improvement in technical quality. Really appreciate the increased output. Think you are great.
you fixed it because you were in my suggested vids.....so glad I found your channel!
Good news is that you showed up in my suggested list & I've never seen you before!! :)
You are NOT alone this is something RUclips is doing on the side they are a bunch of liers!!! it's all about the $$$ it's in our faces. well they are going to look at it like this "She's not getting us any money so let's send the traffic to other channels that are monetized. Pull the switch on her."
I'm not sure about the timescale. But in the last months I definitely noticed a drastic decrease in quality of my RUclips watch page. The suggestions are worse than ever! Less and less interesting stuff...
Bear up, Fran! :)
Same here. Suggestions are terrible now, and it makes sense if they pulled all the non monetized channels from it. Sucks.
You're in my recommended video list. I guess they put you back in the rotation. :)
This video showed up in my suggested videos... but it's the first time I've heard of you! I should have found this channel long ago...
Came here from the EEVBlog. Your channel looks interesting, I've subscribed and ringed the bell. So sorry you have to go through this. Yet another reason to hate RUclips! Oh, well, at least you get some publicity from the EEVBlog!
The trouble is, RUclips isn't a platform for education; its a platform for Google to make money. Did they make changes to their algorithm? Possibly. They never warn people of these things. Are RUclips more likely to suggest videos that will bring in money for them? It would be the smart business decision. It almost certainly, as you alluded to, comes down to the fact that you don't monetize your videos. Google doesn't make money from them so, instead, they suggest videos that will bring in ad revenue.
You've hit the nail on the head.
Sadly the reason I use RUclips is for education. I went from using RUclips in 2005ish as a means of watching racing and car videos, to watching more and more "real life" stuff where people post updates on projects or show how to fix things from vehicles to air conditioning. Having that type of content available has really educated me on lots of real life stuff. Unfortunately the same thing that happened to t.v. (like let's Fart in a can and throw it at my dad) is happening to RUclips and they are pushing that garbage.
The You tube algorithm sucks big time showing shit I have zero interest in and repeatedly showing the same channels time and time again even tho you say you dislike
But it’s not good business to piss off your viewers and content generators. That might work in the short term, but it’s not sustainable, because viewers and content generators will switch to other platforms.
You're missing the point that she's pointing out a *change* in policy. It's fair to ask why now and why underhandedly
If it's any consolation I discovered your channel through a RUclips recommendation after watching another video from someone else. I subscribed to your channel and now you come up in the recommendations all the time.
I found you just now when you popped up in the Recommended list.
This video was the first video on my YT home page!
Patreon is a competitor to youtube.
Don Corleone voice on:
Nice channel you're having here, would be a shame it anything happens to it. You might want to get insurance, won't you? And those other guys can't give you the protection you'll need!
Don Corleone voice off.
Pretty much. Eventually YT will ask for a big share of your Patreon income to "help run the service".
An offer that you cant refuse .
I also found this video in "Recomended" part of my youtube start page!
Thank you Fran! I don't watch my subscriptions closely, but I used to get your vids up in my sidebar all of the time. I haven't seen ANY in the past 10 months. I clicked on this video because it was on my main page (finally, something!). Your content HAS gotten great, and I want to thank you for your content.
1st I can tell you for fact YT has unsubed me twice from you this year. first time was around april and then again in july. notice I did not unsub but youtube unsubed me (they have unsubed me from other channels as well) and then I have to go back in and re-sub when I noticed. so I don't think the "churn" is people actually clicking un-sub it is YT just randomly unsubing people.
Honestly, I firmly believe youtube does not want people like me, you and other individuals on here anymore, they just want famous celebs and main stream media to put it simple, we are just peasants and are unwelcome on the platform, only the famous celebs and MSM will be promoted.
I also got unsubed.. Was wondering about that..?
The "bell" being activated/deactivated is also unreliablely shown on a lot of channels. And it'll also show recommended channels to you with an unclicked sub button.. when you're already subbed when you go to the channel.. so yeah, the status is unreliable. I think the actual subscribed or not/bell clicked or not function is working, but the display of that is not (eg. it can show you unsubbed to a channel you know you are subbed to.. but videos from that channel will still show in your subscriptions page)
Weird, I've never had that happen. I have accidentally touched unsub on my phone plenty of times... It's all I use my phone for.
YT doesn't care about small channels like this. I've seen it on other similar channels. It's sad and pathetic but hey let's let what's his face show dead bodies of people who have committed suicide without any penalty.
actually that was a live stream.. not really his fault.. well freaked him out.. he should have dropped the stream immediately.. but.. y'know.. shock does strange things to people..
PaulaXism Huh, that was a stream? That makes more sense.
Out of all the shite I've seen about that, everyone seems to leave out that detail
You were suggested to me in April, which is why I'm subscribed now.
Oh! This is a year old! :)
Sorry your channel was choked off like that. You're amazing and there are so many more people out there that would love what you do. I always learn something from the videos I watch. Let's hope you get more exposure in the future.
That's odd because a few months ago I found myself unsubscribed and had to resubscribe. I don't think I would have unsubscribed accidentally and certainly not deliberately. Btw I'm from the uk!
yup.. same thing happened to me.. was early June I think.. also dropped my subs to a few others I like very much.. (Jim Rosa for one.. lovely guitar channel)and added subs to things that are just WTF!! ..
Huh, I've noticed a channel being unsubbed once or twice and chalked it up to my own accident, but I've never seen one get randomly subscribed... Weird stuff.
@ Electronoob: Geeking Out Thanks a great idea. Also didn't know about a subscriptions limit. Thanks.
Welcome to corporate censorship
Edit: I see one of your videos has the word 'soviet' in it. Could be that. Could be anything. You don't know, you don't get to know.
Looks like RUclips listened! First time I've heard of you and you were on my feed! Subbed!
Hey Fran! This is the very first video I see of you, and for some reason it popped up on my first page as Recommended. So either RUclips heard you and fixed it or it fixed itself. Or atleast, youre not totally off the grid it seems. Keep up the good work! :-)