Makes sense, he's the god of tyrants, and tyrants need cronies they can trust to delegate power to. The greatest murderers have no accomplices only future victims and for Mykrul having allies is pointless when you can just kill them and bring them back as a 100% loyal zombie.
Wouldn't be much of a life anyway unless released to Wyll and protected by Emperor. He is still tadpoled after all. But hey, it's his father... He is not exactly impartial and thinking straight.
OG-Gort _is_ awfully scruffy for an Archduke. Like he’s been up for days mainlining a cocaine-terazul cocktail and dictating the fifth draft of his autobiography.
Turns out most people are. I think the only character who habitually lies to you is the Emperor. Even Raphael is mostly honest (though his ending suggests not entirely…)
Yea gortash didn't rise to power by back stabbing everyone. I mean sure he kinda cheated his way up, but he knows the value of keeping powerful friends.
@@Mahvrynher mother was a Nobel a drow noble mind, she mentions having survived her first attempt on her life before she could eat solid food, she was born into gortash’s game, he thinks himself the king but mirintha is the board
This is why the Mizora conversation where he gains approval when you trade his father's life for his contract being broken really kind of makes me raise an eyebrow. If Wyll is so desperate to save his father that he will actually tell you to listen to Gortash when he should know better than to make a deal with someone manipulative enough to threaten the world for a bit of power (someone that we all know would turn us into slaves the second the artifact is out of our hands), then why on earth is he so nonchalant when you sign away his father's life on purpose?
@@guildwarrior3232 Maybe. All I know is I'd have handled it by having him disapprove and be disgruntled but ultimately agree, but then after you can earn that back + bonus with a successful persuasion check saying you plan to save his father behind her back. A failure could make him instead call you a fool for thinking you could beat the terms of a devil's contract, potentially even losing another point of approval. Feels more fitting especially considering this scene.
What bothers me the most is that you don't have the option to leave the decision up to Wyll. You can let Shadowheart choose how to handle Nightsong, you can let Lae'zel choose if she listens to Voss, you can let Astarion choose on ascension, but this life-changing decision for Wyll is left to Tav without even needing a persuasion check!
@@nomadicskylark I think that's one of the reasons that I am not interested in his character half the time. Stuff like that makes him feel like he has no agency of his own. A part of me wonders if that was what Larian was going for. A lot of Wyll's free...well, will, was signed away so maybe he forgot what it's like to not have someone telling him what to do. If that's it, then it must have really been neutered by cuts, because frankly this might also explain why he's willing to give stones to Gortash in exchange for his father. He can't fathom not having an authority figure to look up to.
Honestly Veilguard has some of the better outfits in the series. Makes me sad we only get Varric, Dorian, and Morrigan to see new outfits/designs for out of all the other characters (and two of those aren't much of a change).
@@TheodosiaNova, I agree. The variety of the outfits could be wider though. Especially for the dwarfs and some of known NPCs. But teammates armour is good. For me as the DA fan it's nice to see it in my 2d favourite RPG (BG3) since the times of Dragon age Origins.
Apparently, Wyll isn't familiar with Vulcan proverbs. Which would actually fit with him being totally OK with breaking his pact and (from his POV at the time) condemning his father to death. Saving my dad > saving the city/the Sword Coast. But also: Saving myself from a devil's contract > saving my dad. Either Wyll is the most selfishly evil or the dumbest person in the party.
3rd option Wyll is selfishly evil and stupid. 4th option he's a very poorly written character.... because of a lack of character growth, a nearly 1 dementional personality(I sold my soul to a demon for power but I'm the bestest best boyscout so if You do anything evil I'll leave)
He always does, your alliance stands as long as you don't enter Iron throne and/or destroy Steel Watch Foundry, as well as refuse to give him the stones in the end
I never once trusted the alliance with Gortash. I mean, he, Orin and Kethric were going to stab each other in the back. Also, Karlach wanted to get revenge for what he did to her.
The fucked up thing is when i first played this mission i was under the impression gortash was lying, so me and my party just ran in and killed everyone in this room assuming i could call gortash's bluff. I could not lol
Listen, I check mods a few times a week, yet I still spot things in your videos that I somehow missed 🤪 Where do those cat ears on Gale come from? 👀 Also, not for the first time Jaheira's response is my favorite-she's an icon 💖
Surprisingly, there are a lot of failsaves for this, like a fish eating them if you drop the stones inside Iron throne, or kobolds finding them in the ruins of Steel watch foundry
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Hilariously, he doesnt betray you.
As it turns out, bane's chosen is the most trustworthy of the three.
Makes sense, he's the god of tyrants, and tyrants need cronies they can trust to delegate power to. The greatest murderers have no accomplices only future victims and for Mykrul having allies is pointless when you can just kill them and bring them back as a 100% loyal zombie.
@@masiethespiral And Bhaal? Bhaal just wants to _kill_ the world...for whatever reason. A little short-sighted, really.
@@masiethespiral I'd argue the greatest murderers are usually tyrants or those they delegate power to.
Gortash actually comes across very trustworthy when playing as Durge. Detect thoughts even comes back clean.
I can't tell if this is a joke 😅
So basically everyone is telling you the right thing to do, except Wyll. On top of that, I highly doubt Gortash would let his father live either way.
Wouldn't be much of a life anyway unless released to Wyll and protected by Emperor. He is still tadpoled after all.
But hey, it's his father... He is not exactly impartial and thinking straight.
@@HanithSVKas long as wyll remains useful gortash will keep good on the deal.
I wish this character flaw of Wyll's was better fleshed out
@@SeanORaighwhat's their to flush out bro wants to protect his father above all things
Gortash is a bad person. But he is true to his word.
Handsome Shrek strikes again
Shrek was always handsome, I think you meant "human Shrek".
Who is Handsome Shr-OH MY GOD I SEE IT!
The fact that eveyone, including Gortadh himself, want you to not give Gortash the stones, except Wyll is weirdly funny
Im more invested in seeing the insane mods you installed over the rest of the content
Shit, you made Gortash look like a actual functioning member of society
OG-Gort _is_ awfully scruffy for an Archduke. Like he’s been up for days mainlining a cocaine-terazul cocktail and dictating the fifth draft of his autobiography.
@MarinaRhymin beautiful young man indeed😂
And as it turns out, Gortash is actually very trust worthy.
Yeah... It's kinda funny how it turns out.
True, though
you can't give him the stones anyway if you want the deal to work
Turns out most people are. I think the only character who habitually lies to you is the Emperor. Even Raphael is mostly honest (though his ending suggests not entirely…)
Yea gortash didn't rise to power by back stabbing everyone. I mean sure he kinda cheated his way up, but he knows the value of keeping powerful friends.
He is trustworthy as long as you are not named Karlach😅
Jaheira’s response took me out.
Also the fact that they’re all clean (Minthara’s a little bloody) and Astarion is absolutely _drenched_ in blood
Astarion just had to stop for a quick drink first is all.
Ok, but Gale with those cat ears ❤😂
Only Minthara know what gortash planned and in my opinion she are the most clever companio you can have in game.
She's drow matron of the house baerne, so nothing surprising
For someone with 8 int she seems to understand much; at least in the field of power and politics
@@Mahvryn That'd be more WIS than INT, methinks. Minks' INT is so low it brings down the INT of everyone around him, but he's not stupid.
@@Mahvrynher mother was a Nobel a drow noble mind, she mentions having survived her first attempt on her life before she could eat solid food, she was born into gortash’s game, he thinks himself the king but mirintha is the board
We need a mod list in each video
wyll: im the blade of frontiers, i protect all those in need
wyll when dad's infected: actually scratch that, just give gortash the city
this would’ve made more sense for his character if he was the same wyll as his early access version
This is why the Mizora conversation where he gains approval when you trade his father's life for his contract being broken really kind of makes me raise an eyebrow. If Wyll is so desperate to save his father that he will actually tell you to listen to Gortash when he should know better than to make a deal with someone manipulative enough to threaten the world for a bit of power (someone that we all know would turn us into slaves the second the artifact is out of our hands), then why on earth is he so nonchalant when you sign away his father's life on purpose?
echoes of his old character concept?
larian fumbling his storyline AGAIN 🥱☹️
@@guildwarrior3232 Maybe. All I know is I'd have handled it by having him disapprove and be disgruntled but ultimately agree, but then after you can earn that back + bonus with a successful persuasion check saying you plan to save his father behind her back. A failure could make him instead call you a fool for thinking you could beat the terms of a devil's contract, potentially even losing another point of approval. Feels more fitting especially considering this scene.
What bothers me the most is that you don't have the option to leave the decision up to Wyll. You can let Shadowheart choose how to handle Nightsong, you can let Lae'zel choose if she listens to Voss, you can let Astarion choose on ascension, but this life-changing decision for Wyll is left to Tav without even needing a persuasion check!
@@nomadicskylark I think that's one of the reasons that I am not interested in his character half the time. Stuff like that makes him feel like he has no agency of his own. A part of me wonders if that was what Larian was going for. A lot of Wyll's free...well, will, was signed away so maybe he forgot what it's like to not have someone telling him what to do. If that's it, then it must have really been neutered by cuts, because frankly this might also explain why he's willing to give stones to Gortash in exchange for his father. He can't fathom not having an authority figure to look up to.
Astarion covered in blood calling someone else sus 😅
The epitome of Astarion.❤ 😂
Shadowheart in Neve’s outfit was not something I was expecting to see
I think Neve wore it better.
Minsc in The Invitation is also unexpected.
@ true! i had commented before i got to that part lol
it just looks so wrong
@@kathic6402Neve’s darker skin tone and hair definitely look better with the blue. Her age, too. Shadowheart is a little too young
I need Gale with cat ears
Nah, those mods are just getting more and more crazy
Gale with cat ears.
LOGICAL AND COOLHEADED ASTARION JUMPSCARE
Gortash being the most trustworthy out of the chosen three makes this even better
Some of the Veilguard outfits?
Interesting idea
Honestly Veilguard has some of the better outfits in the series. Makes me sad we only get Varric, Dorian, and Morrigan to see new outfits/designs for out of all the other characters (and two of those aren't much of a change).
@@TheodosiaNova, I agree. The variety of the outfits could be wider though. Especially for the dwarfs and some of known NPCs. But teammates armour is good. For me as the DA fan it's nice to see it in my 2d favourite RPG (BG3) since the times of Dragon age Origins.
Apparently, Wyll isn't familiar with Vulcan proverbs. Which would actually fit with him being totally OK with breaking his pact and (from his POV at the time) condemning his father to death. Saving my dad > saving the city/the Sword Coast. But also: Saving myself from a devil's contract > saving my dad. Either Wyll is the most selfishly evil or the dumbest person in the party.
3rd option Wyll is selfishly evil and stupid.
4th option he's a very poorly written character.... because of a lack of character growth, a nearly 1 dementional personality(I sold my soul to a demon for power but I'm the bestest best boyscout so if You do anything evil I'll leave)
Dang, Karlach and Lae'zel don't f*ck around when it comes to Gortash.
Karlach’s got beef with him
I always listen to Karlach for better or for worse, she decides 😅
In the durge run he keeps his word
Does he not keep his word if you play as anyone else?
@@makaylas7643 surprisingly yes as long as you dont give him the stones
He always does, your alliance stands as long as you don't enter Iron throne and/or destroy Steel Watch Foundry, as well as refuse to give him the stones in the end
I love how theyre all in their Sunday best, and then theres Halsin the pooh and Cruella de Minsc
My Dwarf Fighter/Ranger to Karlach: (whispered) “You hit him high…I’ll hit him low…”
Is Shadowheart wearing Neve's clothes? Where can I get that mod??
DAV outfits ! Love it !
Astarion dressed as Patrick Bateman, elegant but bloody 😂 Faerun Psycho
Loveee Jaheira she never stops telling it how it is
We aren't going to shame Wyll for this.
The poor guy was worried about his dad.
Shadowheart in the thumbnail= I click
Kitty Gale and Accountant Wyll put me out 😂
GET WYLL OUT OF THAT KILMONGWR BRO
Wyll looks like he gets a reservation at Dorsia and Astarion looks like he gets a reservation at Barcadia.
Oh wow, Gortash is actually...decent looking. That's not a bad mod.
Not Shart in Neve's outfit 💀
Get him, Karlach ❤️🔥
in reality he's no less trustworthy than the emperor
There’s no point arguing the lovely purple grape has spoken
I never once trusted the alliance with Gortash. I mean, he, Orin and Kethric were going to stab each other in the back. Also, Karlach wanted to get revenge for what he did to her.
Shadowheart is channeling her inner Neve I see.
The fucked up thing is when i first played this mission i was under the impression gortash was lying, so me and my party just ran in and killed everyone in this room assuming i could call gortash's bluff. I could not lol
Shadowheart in Neve's garbs?
Listen, I check mods a few times a week, yet I still spot things in your videos that I somehow missed 🤪 Where do those cat ears on Gale come from? 👀
Also, not for the first time Jaheira's response is my favorite-she's an icon 💖
Wyll, there is more than your fathers life at stake.
Neve gallus drip ❤
Neve’s outfit seems a little off for Dragon Age but fits so perfectly in BG3z
Gotta love Gortash's modded hairstyle insread of anime hair.
I like my reason. It's mine. Mine. Mine. Mine I tell you!
I want the shadowheart outfit and the Gale ears XD
Handsome Gortash isnt real he cant hurt you. Handsome Gortash:
Why is nobody commenting about how funny Minsc's line is?
Shadowheart and Neve Gallus, the two most beautiful women in their respective games, share tastes in clothing apparently.
What happens if you give it to him?
I want DAV clothes in BG3! Actually I want mass effect.... shadowheart would look amazing in Miranda's outfit
Legend Felled ❤ love it.
Astarion doesnt want to do anything hilarious
What cute mods. Everyone looks great!
What have the modders done to you, gortash 😢
Made him a handsome young man with a quick and easy smile, as opposed to a vile greaseball with a grinchly grin
what mod packs do you use because jeez i cannot find them on nexus
*Kicks him in the netherstones*
I really need a modest for these outfits
How did you get Gortash to shower?
And when did Astarion serve in combat?
No one else is the comment of these videos have the balls to say that all the outfits are absolutely hideous
i like my gortash unwashed and unkept
STOP YASSIFYING GORTASH😭
Ewww he looks even greasier now 😂
shadow heart neve gallus clothes??
Please share your mods 🙏
whos the modder that killmongerfied wyll 😭
My god you ungreased gortash
I love how minthara is the only smart in the group
Need those outfits
Damn just a freak circus , i love bg 3 but not how u dressed up your team
Where can I find those suits? Or is it a mod?
Mod
What's on earth are they wearing?!? 😅
I think a better way the game tests your IQ is by giving you an option to drop the netherstones and see what happens…. Spoiler… it’s bad.😂
Surprisingly, there are a lot of failsaves for this, like a fish eating them if you drop the stones inside Iron throne, or kobolds finding them in the ruins of Steel watch foundry
I imagine a whole lot of Trump supporters got a rude awakening here.
when Gortash is actually a handsome young man xD