The Rise of Skywalker Finn's BROKEN character Arc
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As the final Star Wars film in the Skywalker saga has come and gone, I look back at on John Boyega's Finn and how he really deserved better, yet how much his character had suffered from the extensive re-shoots and re-writes that The Rise of Skywalker had gone under.
From the film not delivering on Finn and Rey's relationship after bringing back to the forefront to Finn's origins being left on the cutting room floor, once again, and of course diving into the fact that Finn is confirmed to be force sensitive.
Let me know your thoughts in the comment section below.
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This video was done over a year ago and I have long since gotten a lot better at making videos. At least I hope I have. So for anyone who just finding this video now, I hope the audio isn’t too bad for you
It's a great video, even now.
It's a great video, & I always love video essays on stuff that I like, such as Star Wars, & you always do a great job. Thank you for being awesome, & may the Force be with you always.
Imagine finding out Jjannah was on the supremacy when Finn fought Phasma and that’s what inspired her to rebel. Would’ve been so much more powerful than “I had a feeling”.
That's a very interesting idea that might make a great Theory video! Thank you for your input
@@TheFirstOkiro I just think the Finn and Jannah dynamic would've been better if Finn's defection and defeat of Phasma is what inspires Jannah and her people to desert.
Like just have Jannah explain that it’s because of him they got the courage to rebel when he left and when Phasma was killed, there were small rebellions, but only Jannah’s group survived. Jannah and her people even call Finn “Phasma slayer” this inspires Finn to help Jannah start a Stormtrooper Rebellion. And Rose is there to help broadcast a signal so Finn can give a speech to incite Rebellion. This would not only give Rose more screen time, but would put her engineering skills to work.
Finn, Rose and Jannah are able to sneak aboard Hux’s flagship. Rose helps using her skills to help Finn to broadcast a signal to every Stormtrooper. I think it could be something like this. “My name is Finn, I was FN-2187, a Stormtrooper. Like every one of you, I was taken from a family I will never know. I was raised to do one thing… but my first battle, my friend Slip died and that death marked me and made me realize We are people and we have a choice. I wasn’t gonna kill for them. I had nothing to fight for. Until I met my friends, they gave me a name, a purpose and something worth fighting for. So I am here to tell you. You have a choice. You are people. You do not have to kill for them anymore. Take back your lives and fight the people who took your lives away from you. I am giving you the one choice they never gave you and choose for yourselves. You can either storm this very room and kill us or you can take back your lives. The choice is yours.” Then we get a very emotional scene of Stormtroopers led by Finn’s last surviving Squad member, Zeroes removing his helmet and tossing it to the ground and then we see hundreds, to thousands of Stormtroopers ripping their helmets off and tossing them to the ground. Officers DEMAND they put their helmet back on and kill The Resistance scum, but they don’t. It happens. Rebellion. Finn and Rose have successfully led a Stormtrooper Rebellion and together burn The First Order from the inside out .
And instead of space horses to land on a Star Destroyer, it’s basically the result of Finn’s message. Stormtroopers start rebelling and Finn is leading the assault. Stormtroopers vs Sith Troopers.
@@DalekOfChaos666 This is a great theory! I'll explore it more in my next Jannah and Finn video!
@@TheFirstOkiro It could actually be done, all they would need to do would be to re-implement the deleted scene from Rian Jhonson's The Last Jedi where Finn calls Phasma out for being a traitor for being a coward in The Force Awakens. The one where the stormtroopers who hear him, switch-sides and kill Phasma. All they would need to do would be film her and some of her trooper friends removing their helmets to reveal it was them, and show them escaping, while displacing and saying their actual true revolt where they left The First Order happened later.
Yes, contrary to how the negligent of Abrams tried to change tune and ignore The Last Jedi and removing Rose Tico in a very deeply racist and anti-feminist way (and his wounds are treated way worse than Finnz they are forgotten). Rian Johnson actually cared about solving the plot-hole from of Phasma's cowards actions in Force Awakens (but for whatever reason, Disney made him change it to what we got).
If JJ Abrams were a good writer, he could had even managed to put Finn into the "you can be redeemed, but the rest of the stormtroopers can't be redeemed trope", and then solve it by revealing Finn had actually redeemed Captain Phasma, who was living among those Stormtrooper, would change his attitude, full reveal shea was the little girl from the Ewok movies and all. That way having Phasma on there side would had legitimized the idea that the Resistance would accept redeemed Stormtroopers. And to solve the whole trouble of the Resistance rejecting Phasma? That was Lando's moment, playing into how the Rebel Alliance accepted him and gave him a chance, despite betraying of Han Solo. That could had easily given Lando an Oscar nomination, without even getting into how his Coruscant cabaret-bar musical number of his exile (Jabba's Palace liked, would had been more thematically consistent than the thematically inconsistent Ewok Celebration-like Parade in the desert planet).They should had focused on the First Order occupied planet, and Coruscant was a better choice than the new planet. It was a very poor choice to add the desert planet (which wouldn't surprise if it was Jakku but they changed the name at last minute), specially because everyone is celebrating as if there was no war going, and that celebration is more happy than the one at the end. Which makes it tonally inconsistent.
The Last Jedi works on it's own, but JJ Abrams can't write or direct anything with "Star" on it's title to save his life. So 7 and 9, desperately need Rian Johnson, Dave Filoni, and George Lucas to do Special Editions to save them on the editing room.
Also, The Last Jedi doesn't diminish Finn as a character at all, is the one where his character grows the most. Actually, him taking all that damage is what justifies his arc. He goes from only caring about Rey, to caring about what the Resistance actually does. Rose Tico is how JJ Abrams should had written Rey in The Force Awakens, and the arc that Finn gets in The Last Jedi is the one that JJ Abrams should had given him in The Force Awakens in the first place.
And no, the retcon of him deflecting the First Order because The Force is not good at all. Is worse because he no longer deflected due to the moral trouble of a village massacre. No, now he deflected because The Force, because the writers are cowards. And the Stormtroopers storyline doesn't resolve at all, nor helps his character, because all made a choice, all had solved their arc, long before meeting him.
Abrams didn' even tried. He ruined Trevorow's competent draft, which wasn't even finished, so still would had improved. Have it been given the same due date as Abrams. Worse than all, he makes He made Hux the First Order traitor, when it should had been the other way around. Hux should had been the one on Darth Sidious's side, killing him the generic old admiral should had been his test, in the same way that Sidious wanted Anakin Skywalker to kill Dooku. Him feeling over-shadowed by Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren, is already how Anakin felt about Obi-wan and the Jedi.
The worst part is that all could had still worked, regardless of the grandpa Palpatine no-sense.
JJ Abrams is beyond redemption, since all the flaws seem, mostly his fault.
I feel so bad for John Boyega. He's such a huge fan, he knows more about Star Wars lore than most Lucasfilm employees, and then to be cast in the movie must have been so incredible! And for him and his character to be treated so badly by Disney... it's such a shame. Actually it makes me quite angry.
Me too
Finn and Poe were the best parts of the sequel trilogy and I would have watched an entire movie without a single Jedi if it meant we got to see more of their stories.
Every day I curse Disney for how they treated their characters of color but ESPECIALLY how they treated Finn. He literally jump starts TFA and he deserved so much better...
I absolutely love this video. But you already know that LOL I just want to add a speculation to the comments section that I already wrote to you privately: IMHO what Finn wanted to tell Rey lead two two things... a poignant Force plot for him (it makes no sense to reveal a character is Force sensitive if it doesn't matter obviously and you have shown enough evidence of what that could have been) and to Finn and Rey potentially holding hands at the end of TROS. Furthermore he wants to REALLY DESPERATELY tell her this, even in a moment when he thinks he could die. Her. Specifically. And when Poe is there again, he doesn't tell her. So my assumption is that he did not just want to tell her that he is Force sensitive but that he can feel her through the Force, that they have a bond. This could have meant all sorts of things... for whatever original concept the Dyad was as well...
Yeah I don’t get why finn and Rey never connected and that finn didn’t become a Jedi it feels he was always meant to be that
Because china hates people like him. Disney would want to appease china.
DAMN I was not ready for that deep sexy voice!
This is such a great video, I love it! Also could you make a video talking about Finnrey? It’s been my favorite ship ever since I saw TFA!
Also your memes are on point! I died with that Sonic joke!
I'll definitely cover the SW fandom one day! Now that will turn my comment section into a war zone l
Your editing is 💯 I can’t wait to see more video essays from you!
My FAVE new channel... loving the content. 👌🏼🥰
Finn had so much story potential, such a wasted opportunity. Great video👌🏻👌🏻
Keep up the good work. You got another sub
Here from your twitter post! Love the video, thanks a bunch. I haven't even watched Rise of Skywalker yet cause of the criticism it got, but maybe I should just to see how they let down Finn. Random aside, I think your mic quality could be a little better and less echo-y. But yea, otherwise this is a super thoughtful video. Thanks again for taking the time to share your insight :)
"i feel like turning my comment section into a mfing holy crusade" omg 🤣
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Bro I at least wanna kno why they cut this might make me feel better
I love the voice over
I really believe that the Finn confession was left in as set up for Poe to ask him ab it as some sort of joke bc it’s clear they weren’t going to pay it off and it’s a bit insulting that they left it in bc it seems like a jab to fans.
Good piece. Thanks for this.
Finn could've been so amazing, John's a great actor and I was so hyped to see a stormtrooper turn into a Jedi. Rian Johnson really fucked up the whole trilogy concept.
Wtf did they do to this movie? How did they feel the need to completely edit the story to WHAT WE GOT? You mean they had an actual plot and they filed it down to a nothing script.
I'm not one of the people who wishes Finn was the main character, I'm ok with Rey. But I do wish his story had...more story in it.
God it sucks how much they fucked Finn over. From the first time I saw TFA I loved him. I was so excited for his story. Ugh
I love this video, I just wish you'd speak more normally into the mic. The long breathy words get irritating, to be honest.
Now that I've finished the video - extremely well done. You were able to put into words my issues with TLJ, aside from the obvious ones. Finn was sidelined just as much as Rose.
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I think he might have potential in Rise of Skywalker but was wasted by the lack of purpose his character got. He was just window dressing in every scenes he was, the entire film could have been written without him, which isn’t something that can be said about The Force Awakens, the Colin Trevorrow Cut, or even The Last Jedi. I mean, the Canto Bight side quest leading to the blowing up of the Resistance ships, and the happiness Rey feels as a reward for choosing to follow Luke’s path at the end of The Last Jedi, was something that rely entirely on Finn. And in the Trevorrow cut, he led an entire rebellion of Stormtrooper whereas in Rise of Skywalker the rebel stormtroopers happen to exist somehow. And in the end their plot line are pointless as the Resistance is saved by the « people » who come from the galaxy. Thus I completely disagree with your statement that Finn’s best arc was in Rise of Skywalker when it’s the only movie where he could have been removed without anything changing.
Yeah but nothing in the galaxy can stop me from shipping Finn and Po together tho
Why the fuck would I like and subscribe before watching video
I like you
Aw thank you! I love your avatar!
And now they won't touch the sequel timeline with a 10 ft pole 😂
I'm guessing they'll retcon the sequel movies once they're done milking whatever is left of George's characters and stories
Thank you for helping me hate the sequel trilogy even more. Lol. The thing is Finn isn't the only character done dirty. Sorry but I blame Kathleen Kennedy for this crap. She is responsible for the obvious racism towards John Boyega and then tell us "fan boys" that we are the racists for hating on the trilogy. Meanwhile, yes my favorite character was Finn.
Am I the only sequel critic who DOESN’T care for or like Finn much? I think he’s a useless character and this trilogy should have been about Han, Luke, and Liea and their MULTIPLE CHILDREN. Yes Luke should have had a son or daughter or both with Mara Jade and Han and Leia should have had at least three kids that should have been the new main cast who also didn’t take away from or destroy the old characters’ screen time.
Hi Finn's arc was ruined by TLJ not RoS, hth. Bye
this video is so well done. it makes me so angry thinking about what we could have had with finn being the main character he should have been.
Its something that's been weighing on me for months.
I just wanted to make a video so people knew what went down
@@TheFirstOkiro Great video man. Finn had such a great role in the first film, and was completely wasted. After he defended Rei from Kylo and got critically wounded, I thought they'd do something with him. Nope! Doesn't do a thing after that.
@@leeham6230 I would have been ok if he was the main character but not a Jedi
Yeah they definitely needed one direction, one director to guide the whole trilogy, & it helps to have this revolutionary idea that's been around for a million years, a plan, an outline of what's going to happen. May the Force be with you.
Great video, man. Finn was the character I most interested in coming out of TFA and was royally pissed at his treatment in TLJ. Between what they did to him and Luke, I refuse to watch that movie ever again. But TROS had some good moments. If it had been the basis for a trilogy, rather than an extremely rushed and poorly put together single film, I think Finn could have been one of the best characters in the franchise.
For me, Finn is to the sequels what Obi-Wan was too the prequels!
@@TheFirstOkiro Exactlyy! I still think he deserved better than how horrible he winded up being treated! :(
@@TheFirstOkiro Hopefully, if John Boyega doesn’t mind it, I would love a show dedicated to His character so we can see more of his growth and Fin over all. Plus have Rose Tico’s characters, they both deserved better
Two minutes in and I’m screaming 🤣 I’m about to do a deep dive into your channel for more of your perspective. I went to see the first film with my brother at a midnight showing sooooo excited for new stories and a character that looked like us and-🥴
I'm still new but hopefully I'll continue to make content you like 😅
Okiro I finally have time to really get into the franchise so I’ll use your videos as a starting point 😌 The Lovecraft Country video sold me 😭
Remember when we all thought Finn is the Main Lead in TFA?
I wish they stuck to that premise.
That TLJ compilation perfectly sums up why I feel the way I do about that movie
All the POC cast members' faces told the story 🤣🤣🤣 especially Oscar, John, and Kelly Marie Tran i can't wait when they really spill the T
Star Wars isn’t for us unfortunately
I will never be over how badly they failed my boy Finn. This is a great video! very well done
Finn was the only character that had the charisma to really connect with the audience. Reminded me of a young Harrison Ford. They could’ve done something with a spin off film for him but they ruined the character.
I wish I could like a video twice! This gave me a new appreciation for what Finn got in TROS. It was much less than what the character deserved, but it’s so much more than for what people give it credit. Fantastic job, man. Welcome to the video essay side of RUclips.
Thanks, Moth! Its nice here. Rather...crazy but nice!
I'm writing a book series where I tell myself, from book to book, 'no missed opportunities, no wasted potential,' and I came upon your vid. Man, you are the MAN! This is such good content, and your wit and humor and chill, smooth voice - what's not to love? Keep up the great work Mr. O! #subscribed
Saw this on Saltier Than Crait, where there's a lot of Finn and Boyega fans. And while the way you lay the arc out is great, he was definitely done wrong throughout the Disney Trilogy. I can't help but imagine what it would've been like if Finn had been the main character of the trilogy. It would've been better in every possible way.
I actually disagree. I do not like the concept of saying "if Finn had been the main character instead of Rey the trilogy would have been better." I rather argue "if Finn AND Rey had stayed two pretty much equal main characters with parallel stories who BOTH have a different foil with Kylo Ren the trilogy would have been indefinitely better" (if properly executed that is LOL I don't trust DLFL) What IMHO made TFA unique was that there were TWO characters on a hero's journey from two different perspectives. This has never been done in SW before...
@@alienobserver21 actually, this comment I agree even more with. Someone do this
@@alienobserver21 I agree. I'm still so disappointed how they dropped Finn and Kylo's relationship after TFA, after all the build up that went into it. In what first chapter of a story do you have one of the heroes lose to a villain and then never have them interact again? But the reason TFA works, at least for me, is the dynamic of Rey, Finn and Kylo. All three of them. And it culminates beautifully in that final battle in the snow. It's taking Finn out of that dynamic, and focusing on Rey and Kylo, that was absolutely to the detriment of TLJ (and TROS presumably but I can't speak to that as I didn't see it).
@@rowansjet It took away the unique element. and then replaced it with literally nothing. I've always argued that - while keeping Finn's and Kylo's dynamic as people who are foils due to their direct life stories - one needs to make Rey and Kylo foils in a different way but one that is explained. Now they are some weird Dyad thing no one quite understands and Finn is being ignored. Instead we could have had enemies by choice and enemies by blood which is why I wanted Rey to be related to Kylo. Because the way it currently is... Rey and Kylo fight because Rey is good and Kylo kinda wasn't (or possessed by Palpatine LMFAO so bad...) and that has no depth. Kylo decided to leave his family behind and join the First Order, Finn decided to leave the First Order AND join the fight of Kylo's family. then on the other side there would have been Rey who is Kylo's cousin/sister who had no choice in the matter but then later makes a choice... and choses to fight with Finn, the person she is not related to. Which makes Kylo explode in anger... Would have been a much more compelling story IMHO
You can't have Finn say that line abt the force and not have him be force sensitive...like...
thank you so much for this. i remember being in the theater watching the force awakens, and even before i shipped them, thinking it was obvious that finn and rey were going to end up together. finn, rey, and poe we're clearly marketed as the new trio from the beginning and whether you shipped them or not, it was obvious to everyone that fonn and rey were originally set up as love interests. everything from tlj forward worked hard to undermine that but you can see the remnants of those facts still there. it just hurts so much to see john, oscar and kelly so excited to bring so much needed diversity to star wars knowing how all three were treated and how their roles were so minimized. i've been trying to decide whether tlj or tros is the worst film but your videos on the subject have actually made me see tros in a slightly more positive light. that finn and jannah scene is literally one of the best in the sequel trilogy. so much wasted potential /sigh.
Thank you for your kind words! I'll be sure to keep moving videos covering these amazing but wasted characters
This video is PRISTINE
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it!
This was incredible! It got me thinking about new things and new ways of looking at things. Wow!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! It was for fans of the character who wanted more from Finn and to know more the BTS!
FInn had such potential for moral force in the story with John Boyega and instead came out looking sounding like a 70's blacksploitation character. A stormtrooper who gets a soul and defects after watching the atrocities around him --both Finn and Boyega were shortchanged -that especially after the magnificent and complex character of Master Mace Windu
The Last Jedi screwed the whole arc of the trilogy. Boyega and Finn both deserved better.
Thank you, The First Okiro. Amazing videos, editing, and passion behind the material. Disney should hire you! 🙏
God, I would have loved it if Fin had become a jedi. Just finn and rey slicing thru an army of clones would have been the best!
BRO THIS IS GREAT
Thanks, bro! Put it all in for this one!
Finn was the best character in Rise of Skywalker? What were smoking when you recorded this dogg?
My dude, this has to be one of the best video essays in the fandom! I can’t wait for more! However... I WASN’T EXPECTING YOUR VOICE TO BE SO SEXY!
Hahaha thanks bro
You think trevorrows story would have fixed the arc?
Not really, mainly because while DOTF gives Finn a great character moment, there's no arc. This is ironic given that TFA gave Finn a great character arc, but it was missing a good character moment to close out the arc.
Though I will say a stormtrooper rebellion on Coruscant, where the Clone Trooper first rebelled is a fucking amazing image
Screw Disney man. Honestly, watching TROS you can literally feel Kathleen Kennedy ruining JJ’s story and cutting all of the good stuff out.
AAAYYEE!! I made it in to your vid!! 17:21
Finn was cool, wish we had more of him, and that's kind of it.
I'm bad at making nuanced takes, that's why I come to your channel.
...came here from a Twitter thread about the Finn bait and switch. Fantastic content here! Respect from Nashville Tennessee
BRO... your work is A1....remember us when you get to 100k, 500k & hopefully 1M subs!!
Finn. A character totally wasted by SW writers. Too much opportunities. Too much wasted.
literally the only valid star wars youtuber!! thank you for this and it’s so beautiful to see all of the effort and care that went into creating this - immediately subscribed and excited to check out more of your videos!
The Duel of the Fates script did a much better job with Finn. True, it does not give him a Rey romance, or make him a Jedi, but it does give him a great character arc that pays off his stormtrooper past. Watch my animated version if you're interested: ruclips.net/video/MIo4aqyhUHQ/видео.html
5:02 did it bug anyone else that rey has her fucking lightsaber all nimbly bimbley next to her face
Love the video. Hated the sequels but always felt like there was so much unfulfilled potential with the character of finn. They didn't even have to make him a jedi (even though i wouldn't have been against it, anything would have been preferable to what we got) i was still stoked for the idea of a stormtrooper defecting and exploring the point of view of someone from that background
Even with the cut scene from TLJ Finn's arc makes no sense, now if the had said after the scene his midiclorians are now super active that would explain things so much better.
10:00 I still hate the cavalry charge scene. These people were trianed as stormtroopers why don't they fight as storm troopers would. Blaster small unit tactics givng each other covering fire as they advance. You know soldiers.
Heck you coul even have made the "why are the stormtroopers force sensitive" a plotline, I remember in the old EU the empire created dark troopers, force sensitive elite stormtroopers. What if an entire batch of stormtroopers were modified using this technology and all these stormtroopers are from that "recruitment" drive.
u deserve more attention
RJ is a poor storyteller. The central story was lost. He must have gotten the job as fan boy or something. Very poor script that Adam and Daisley were able to pull off.
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Imagine how much better this trilogy could have been if it were what the trailers were teasing. A force sensitive stormtrooper leading a rebellion of desertors with the aid of the original cast and some chick with survival skills. Literally anything else than what we got.
Finn doesn't even earn a nickname. I just call him FN2187
your channel is very underated. i just binged like 5 of ur vids.
Damn that sucks ass I was wondering why it felt so lackluster
BRUUUUUUUH!!! I DIDNT KNOW I NEEDED THIS CONVERSATION IN MY LIFE 😫😫😫😫😫
This dudes voice is smooth as hell.
It all comes down to bad planning caused by greed and ignorance to the lord of an already established story
I'm still angry about how they did our dude Finn
The facial expressions section had me rolling 😂
Before the Awakening is so good, especially for Finn. Good to see you giving it a shout-out.
Sequels were terrible and TLJ is the worst of the worst.
I haven’t even started the video and I am already mad. I feel like there was so much potential wasted and not only with Finn... bad choice after bad choice regarding this movies
Dude- came her immediately after your One Xcellant Scene vid and I'm happy to see your stuff. On the whole- that Mask of the Phantasm clip was priceless.
Thanks bro! I try to use humor to keep the vids entertaining
Thank you for not showing me the Finn/Shrek kiss
RRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
I always forget that John Boyega is British.
Finn needs a series based on him becoming a Jedi
Finn not hesitating to kill his brothers is problematic but understandable but the way he celebrates and is happy about it is stupid.
The Force is Feminine, the Force is Woke hehe
eDiting ...on point, subscribed.
I‘m from saltierthancrait, nice Video bro
I couldn’t care less about Finn
i'm crying. dis tew much
its so werid because both tlj & tros had way more finn scenes but disney made rian & jj both cut them out??
I'm going to say it, John Boyega and Adam Driver were the best new actors in the sequel trilogy (and Andy Serkis as well but he doesn't come in much). Rise of Skywalker should have been lengthened and been episode 8 and 9, developed the new characters better, there were basically no good characters in episode 8 that weren't in 9. Because of the characters and plot episode 7 will still be my favourite of the new trilogy and it's a complete shame that they didn't improve after that, the characters were the best in that and Last Jedi was too artsy and focused too much on pointless plot points (not enough Finn and C3PO!) and Luke Skywalker's poor direction additionally Emperor Palpatine didn't have enough to do, imagine a duel between Palpatine and Kylo Ren against Finn and Rey and then only when Ren turns can they defeat him. Oh Lord, they should have just given me the films to direct!
P.S I really enjoyed this video and your editing and what you said of course, very clever!
Maybe less cutaway
Me again, I’m gonna binge watch your channel ok? BRB. 🤣
Wacist!!!! heh
@okiro can autocaptions be turned on if captioning/transcript isn't available? Would like to know what is said.
Okay, I just did. I hope its working correctly
@@TheFirstOkiro Thank you!!
0:04 WTF?