I dont get ppl talking about the "real villain" in the comments, Challengers is not a fairy tale with villains... It's the story of three people living their real lives and acting the way real human beings act... Especially human beings who are in love with each other, and yes, all three of them, Art, Patrick and Tashi are in love with each other, is the whole theme of the story. In my point of view, it's a film with a lot of compulsive monogamy, and it portrays all aspects of it excellently.
we didnt see who won, that last scene is showing us that art and patrick were in a relationship and finally playing tennis like tashi wanted to see all along. a lot of people say that patrick loved art, art loved tashi and tashi just loved tennis.
i definitely think the last part is inaccurate bc they all loved each other, just in different ways bc even luca and the cast have said the same! tashi was obsessed with tennis but she loved them too
Art is what Tashi wants, someone to boss around who would do anything for her. Patrick is what she needs, someone who challenge her and who wouldn't be intimidated, but she can't have power in a relationship like that. It's a love triangle where all the points connect and all three of them are so codependent and interconnected. In the end they're all equally toxic with each other.
Tashi was barely in the game after her injury and wanted to see some good tennis by vicariously living through Art's career, but what she needed was to relive her exhilerating "Come ooooon!" moment that we see earlier, when she felt alive. Art was burnt out, adulting and wanted happiness in retirement. What he needed was his estranged friend back to take care of him, so he could let his softer, creative nature shine through tennis. Patrick wanted out of homelessness. What he needed was to see through both his old friend and girlfriend and realize he could not live a fulfilled life without either. It's a very life-affirming movie, showing the difference between living and coasting through life, bitter and dejected.
Yeah but at the immature child age of 19, meanwhile the other two stayed acting like home-wrecking hot messes even at the age of 30+ and Tashi has a kid at home with him. And yeah it’s a shitty move from Art as a friend but you can’t really act like Tashi and Patrick weren’t extremely toxic and unfit for each other. All they had was horniness and anger for each other lol.
at the age of 19 ? tashi and patrick were pushing 30 acting like this, and even if he did play a part, it’s because he was jealous that both his best friend and crush weren’t making time for him anymore
@@matsaidsoPatrick literally spent more time with Art at Stanford than with Tashi and went to see him first. If anything, he was jealous that he didn't get to date Tashi. What cements this is Tashi having lunch with Art and suggesting that all three of them had dinner together, but Art turned it down.
JUST watched this last night. W O W what a fantastic movie. The camera work, the acting, the story, the fashion, it's all so amazing. This is one of my fav movies of the year and I am bummed I missed it in theaters. I LOVED the close up of the guys bods while playing tennis hahahaha. Yeah GREAT movie.
@@cake6787 honestly with that kiss and the confirmation that patrick has his dating app preferences set to women and men, it feels pretty much like text, which is why people underplaying it is so wild lol.
I always assumed that Pat & Art had fooled around beyond the masturbation tutorial lol before the kissing scene. But, if not, it’s something Patrick in particular had been fantasizing about for a while.
Luca Guadagnino's movies have a way of drawing you in. Even when you are thinking, 'this is not for me,' you can't stop watching. CMBYN is his magnum opus and truly is a stunning film.
Like Patrick said, Art plays percentage tennis. He doesn't do outright "wrong things", like cheating for example, but he manipulates the situation in his favor with much more hidden intention and calculation than the other two. He wanted Tashi but he never told her his true feelings directly, because he knew that wouldn't get him anywhere. So he just threw that "he doesn't love you" shit. Tashi probably really didn't care or more like hadn't put much thought into whether there is love or not until he said that, but it definitely is degrading to hear regardless. And Tashi has a strong ego. He did the same thing to Patrick as well but Patrick knew him too well to fall for that. But it still worked on Tashi, so she almost obsessively focused on tennis while being with Patrick and that also triggered Patrick bc with Art, he knew he was always gonna win but it's different with Tashi. They were both junior winners but while Tashi was stepping on right stones, he was kinda falling apart. You can tell he was sorta jealous of her from that "Duncanater" comment. So that fight eventually made her lose focus on the game and cost her entire future as a player. Sure, it wasn't all Art's fault and definitely not his intentions but he made the crack at the worst timing and he knows it. Still he never apologized for that. Instead, he told Tashi in Applebee that he felt guilty because it might not have happened if he had won the match against Patrick...? which is, not only evading the true source of his guilt, but at the same time somehow making himself look pitiful, and overall just a really nice person and a romantic guy to Tashi. And lastly, he clearly used some situations to make her accept his marriage proposal. She was his coach, he basically gave her a second and only chance to be in the professional world of tennis again. It would've been awkward and hard to even think about turning him down, especially when he also is the most adequate vessel to somewhat live her dreams again. On top of that, this movie is full of parallels between whichever two characters. 13 years ago Art half-jokingly tried to guilt-trip Patrick into giving him a win at the finals by bringing up his dying grandmother, but after meeting Tashi Patrick said he 'hoped she would get a stroke'. Years later in Atlanta, Tashi's evidently having a hard time seeing Anna Mueller and Art side by side as winners cuz she is after all just a coach, not an actual player. Patrick shows up, sees the ring, and she tells him it's his grandmother's and that she 'died of stroke'. It's clear Patrick realizes right away that Art pulled the same tactic as he did with him years ago, and that it worked this time. All those were calculation. I'm not saying he is a bad person or a true villain. I think nobody is either of that. They are all homewreckers at one point technically, but Art is much more subtle and successful in looking like an innocent guy when he isn't. Anyway the movie really is not even about that either. It's just that they didn't know they needed all 3 of each other and when they finally realized that at the end, they also found real passion and love in tennis.
"He doesn't do outright "wrong things", like cheating for example, but he manipulates the situation in his favor with much more hidden intention and calculation than the other two." Not really? Art had one conversation with Tashi where he tells her that Patrick isn't in love with her (which is correct, Patrick is with Tashi to get a reaction out of Art) and Tashi dismisses him completely by making it clear that she doesn't care whether or not Patrick loves her because she didn't ask him to love her. And his conversation with Patrick is literally an offhand mention that Tashi isn't taking their relationship seriously, to which Patrick clearly responds with excitement because he's getting the reaction he wanted out of Art. "He wanted Tashi but he never told her his true feelings directly, because he knew that wouldn't get him anywhere." What? Both boys make it clear that they both like her since the very beggining. Tashi literally brings up Art being in love with her when they are in the Applebees. Tashi always knew that Art loved her. "So he just threw that "he doesn't love you" shit." Which was correct. Patrick was with Tashi out of physical attraction, not a genuine emotional connection. "Tashi probably really didn't care or more like hadn't put much thought into whether there is love or not until he said that, but it definitely is degrading to hear regardless." How is it degrading to her? If anything she degrades herself by being with soemone who doesn't love her. Tashi's first insticnt when Art brings up Patrcim is to ask if he's seeing other people while on tour, which clearly shows that they have some fundamental trust issues. And that's not surprising considering that when Tashi first met Patrick he was trying to hook up with her while having a girlfriend back at their boarding school. "And Tashi has a strong ego." Yes, it's almost as if Tashi and Patrick's egos and clashing personalities were the reason they broke up. "He did the same thing to Patrick as well but Patrick knew him too well to fall for that." Again, Patrick didn't give a flying fuck about what Art said. When he came to Stanford he went to see Art first and spend more time with him than with Tashi and he was clearly over the moon that his plan to date Tashi to get Art worked up and jelous was working. He didn't give a shit about anything Art said and was more busy flirting with Art. "But it still worked on Tashi, so she almost obsessively focused on tennis while being with Patrick and that also triggered Patrick bc with Art, he knew he was always gonna win but it's different with Tashi." What worked on Tashi? She was always obsessively focused on tennis, it had nothing to do with anything Art said. "They were both junior winners but while Tashi was stepping on right stones, he was kinda falling apart. You can tell he was sorta jealous of her from that "Duncanater" comment." Yes, both issues between Patrick and Tashi that have nothing to do with Art. "So that fight eventually made her lose focus on the game and cost her entire future as a player." The injure had nothing to do with the fight. She just landed wrong. It could have happend even if she hadn't had that fight, or later down the line in another match. Injuries come with the territory for professional athletes, a bad landing, turn or fall can cause irreversible damage and ruin your career. Tashi was one of the unlucky athletes that have that happen to them early on before they can ever reach their true potential. "Sure, it wasn't all Art's fault and definitely not his intentions but he made the crack at the worst timing and he knows it." Literally no. Art talks with Tashi several days before Patrick visists them at Stanford. His conversation with Tashi is completely disconnected from Tashi's argument with Patrick. They literally argue about their own issues, not anything Art said. "Still he never apologized for that." Apologise for what? That Tashi and Patrick fought due to their own issues that had nothing to do with him? "Instead, he told Tashi in Applebee that he felt guilty because it might not have happened if he had won the match against Patrick...? which is, not only evading the true source of his guilt, but at the same time somehow making himself look pitiful, and overall just a really nice person and a romantic guy to Tashi." The fuck are you even talking about? Art raises a legitimate point that maybe if he had been good enough to beat Patrick back then he could have been the one to date Tashi and maybe things would have played out differently and she wouldn't have injured herself. It speaks to Art's inferiority complex and how years later he is still insecure about his skills and isn't sure he can beat Patrick. It's not an attempt to manipulte Tashi or any werid delusion you have. "And lastly, he clearly used some situations to make her accept his marriage proposal. She was his coach, he basically gave her a second and only chance to be in the professional world of tennis again. It would've been awkward and hard to even think about turning him down, especially when he also is the most adequate vessel to somewhat live her dreams again." You're pretending Art somehow forced Tashi to marry him. That's a hilariously insane reach. They fell in love, started dating, Tashi became Art's assistant coach, eventually she took over as his main coach, they got engaged, married and had a child together. At any point Tashi could have walked away if she felt she was being forced into marrying him. She didn't. She wanted to be with him. "On top of that, this movie is full of parallels between whichever two characters. 13 years ago Art half-jokingly tried to guilt-trip Patrick into giving him a win at the finals by bringing up his dying grandmother, but after meeting Tashi Patrick said he 'hoped she would get a stroke'. Years later in Atlanta, Tashi's evidently having a hard time seeing Anna Mueller and Art side by side as winners cuz she is after all just a coach, not an actual player. Patrick shows up, sees the ring, and she tells him it's his grandmother's and that she 'died of stroke'. It's clear Patrick realizes right away that Art pulled the same tactic as he did with him years ago, and that it worked this time. All those were calculation." What tactic? Art's grandma dying from a stroke like Patrick jiked about is a cruel irony of fate, something Art had absolutely no control over. After she died he used her ring to propose to Tashi. That's literally it. Threre's no grand scheme or trick here. It's a very common and sweet thing to do. "I'm not saying he is a bad person or a true villain. I think nobody is either of that. They are all homewreckers at one point technically, but Art is much more subtle and successful in looking like an innocent guy when he isn't." Art is completely innocent of all the random things you are trying to pin on him and he is by far the least morally reprenhensible character and the most normal out of the three. Tashi and Patrick are fully grown adults that willingly chose to cheat when there's a marriage and a child in the middle. That shit is entire orders of magnitude worse than anything Art did.
what’s insane is i never felt bad for art bc his manipulation + the clear (albeit broken) polyamorous nature of their relationship was so clear to me upon first watch that i ended up leaving with no true “villain” in my head.
When people first movie, I feel like they feel bad for Art because of the way Tashi treated him when they were married and he’s more submissive. But I feel like Art is the real “villain” of the story because he instigated Patrick’s and Tashis relationship when they were dating in college in the cafe. He got in both Tashis and Patrick’s head which then lead to Tashis injury. But all three all are at fault to some extent. Such a mess but I loved it💀
I feel like it’s unfair to blame him for “getting in their heads” and causing her injury. Yeah it’s a selfish move as an immature teenager but idk how that can be blown up into being considered the “villain.” All he did was point out how unfit for each other they are…cause they are. They couldn’t even have sex without Tashi constantly changing the conversation to tennis and how Patrick needs her help to get better. They’re more at fault for their own fuck-ups. It’s still a dick move, but he’s easily the least problematic or “villainous” since he was just a teenager and Tashi/Pat continued acting like home-wrecking messes when they were more than 30.
@@patmcconnell9956 that why I used “villain” in quotations. Not necessarily a villain and not one to blame 100%. He did point out how unfit they were for each other, but that’s not something he should say to either of them. Hence, he instigated their relationship. It’s just a movie lol. But these love triangles or whatever they are happens in real life. I saw the interview for the movie and 2 out of the 3 said if you watch it a second time, then majority of people paint Art as the “villain”.
@@lex12232 I watched it numerous times so that’s not the case for everyone. My point is that yeah he wasn’t a saint, but I see so many comments on how he’s the only one to criticize and how Tashi and Patrick did nothing wrong. I see that you’re mature enough to recognize them all being problematic in some way, I just wish people put in context the difference of a teenager’s selfish actions with that of someone who’s in their 30s and with a child of their own.
I felt very bad for Art the first time I watched it and disliked Patrick and Tashi, but when I rewatched the movie I actually felt Art was the most villainous of the three. His manipulation nature is what led to Tashi and Patrick having an argument and her getting into a bad headspace that led to her injury. I also enjoyed the movie more the second time around.
Their argument wasn't Art's fault at all. Both Tashi and Patrick saw what Art was doing and were dismissive of it. They argued because of their own egos and opposition of viewing each other as equals.
@@JJdaPK How so? Patrick and Tashi's argument wasn't even about Art. It was about tennis and their pride and refusal to acknowledge the other as an equal. *That's* what made Tashi lose her focus.
Art will never will be a victim. He instigated the drama between Tashi and Patrick, which psyched her out and led her to getting injured on the court. He stopped talking to his best friend since 12 for a girl (no matter how talented and smart she is) he didn't even speak to for 3 years; Even Tashi was shocked at that fact. He remained angry at Patrick for 5 years, before he had an affair with Tashi, for no reason at all. He was more upset at Patrick for sleeping with Tashi than he was at Tashi for sleeping with Patrick. Art is an immature drama king who likes to act all innocent. 🙄
Great film. When it came out and I watched it, I went with the expectations of being a love triangle boring tennis film from what I saw in the trailers, and I was so surprised by how good the characters were, acting, camera work, score, etc. Great film, it's my third favorite film of 2024. I gave 8.5/10 to this film. And I don't know how you and other people can rate movies. 1/5, I've never liked that scale of rating; for me, I've always liked 1/10 better because it's easier to rate films like that. 1-3 it's terrible to bad, 4/10 is below average, 5/10 average, 6/10 it's a passable film, 7/10 good film, 8/10 great film, 9/10 almost flawless, 10/10 a masterpiece. I loved y’all reaction. I don't know if you guys watched The Holdovers, it's one of the best movies of 2023, and I would love if you guys reacted to it.
Art is a manipulator, he also played a role in them breaking up leading to her injury. The sum of the movie is kind of the fact that they were all trash lol. In the end though, they all kind of fueled each other to the one thing they all loved; tennis. In the end Art got his mojo back, Patrick pushed him the way he needed. Patrick got Art back, and Tashi, well... she got to see some "good fucking tennis" 😂
Hating tashi is one thing as she is the most horrible character out of the three but what the fuck is wrong with Patrick, no need to give hate to that character. Art was infact a snake and was just a lapdog to Tashi. Patrick and the actor Josh connor is charismatic
I dont get ppl talking about the "real villain" in the comments, Challengers is not a fairy tale with villains... It's the story of three people living their real lives and acting the way real human beings act... Especially human beings who are in love with each other, and yes, all three of them, Art, Patrick and Tashi are in love with each other, is the whole theme of the story. In my point of view, it's a film with a lot of compulsive monogamy, and it portrays all aspects of it excellently.
ugh you get it!!!!
@@willgenre I mean, yes, they are all bad people, still doesn't make any of them the "villain" of the movie, yknow? Its what I was trying to say.
Patrick is Fire and Art is Ice. It even says so in the script. Patrick is impulsive and passionate while Art is more disciplined and calculated.
we didnt see who won, that last scene is showing us that art and patrick were in a relationship and finally playing tennis like tashi wanted to see all along. a lot of people say that patrick loved art, art loved tashi and tashi just loved tennis.
Just a girl and her boyfriend and his boyfriend 😄
i definitely think the last part is inaccurate bc they all loved each other, just in different ways bc even luca and the cast have said the same! tashi was obsessed with tennis but she loved them too
they all loved each other tbh like yes tashi has an obsessive love for tennis but she does genuinely love both of them
i read somewhere that no one actually won because at the end u see art touching the net and that’s apparently a net violation in tennis so….
17:11 "I don't know if this is on purpose."
Oh my sweet summer child... 😅
it's luca guadanigno, nothing is by chance haha
Art is what Tashi wants, someone to boss around who would do anything for her. Patrick is what she needs, someone who challenge her and who wouldn't be intimidated, but she can't have power in a relationship like that.
It's a love triangle where all the points connect and all three of them are so codependent and interconnected. In the end they're all equally toxic with each other.
PERFECTLY said
All Tashi wanted was to see some good f*cking tennis🎾
Tashi was barely in the game after her injury and wanted to see some good tennis by vicariously living through Art's career, but what she needed was to relive her exhilerating "Come ooooon!" moment that we see earlier, when she felt alive.
Art was burnt out, adulting and wanted happiness in retirement. What he needed was his estranged friend back to take care of him, so he could let his softer, creative nature shine through tennis.
Patrick wanted out of homelessness. What he needed was to see through both his old friend and girlfriend and realize he could not live a fulfilled life without either.
It's a very life-affirming movie, showing the difference between living and coasting through life, bitter and dejected.
your reactions together are so good !!
I have been patiently waiting for your reaction to this movie. It's so good
For me Patrick was in love with Art, Tashi was in love with the sport and Art loved both of them
“Poor Art” ? He was never an innocent victim. He definitely played a part in the breakup of Tashi and Patrick.
It just does not compare
Yeah but at the immature child age of 19, meanwhile the other two stayed acting like home-wrecking hot messes even at the age of 30+ and Tashi has a kid at home with him. And yeah it’s a shitty move from Art as a friend but you can’t really act like Tashi and Patrick weren’t extremely toxic and unfit for each other. All they had was horniness and anger for each other lol.
at the age of 19 ? tashi and patrick were pushing 30 acting like this, and even if he did play a part, it’s because he was jealous that both his best friend and crush weren’t making time for him anymore
@@matsaidso Exactly you’re making my same point lol
@@matsaidsoPatrick literally spent more time with Art at Stanford than with Tashi and went to see him first. If anything, he was jealous that he didn't get to date Tashi. What cements this is Tashi having lunch with Art and suggesting that all three of them had dinner together, but Art turned it down.
JUST watched this last night. W O W what a fantastic movie. The camera work, the acting, the story, the fashion, it's all so amazing. This is one of my fav movies of the year and I am bummed I missed it in theaters. I LOVED the close up of the guys bods while playing tennis hahahaha. Yeah GREAT movie.
[Overt homoerotic themes central to the entire film.]
MovieFusion and Mrs MovieFusion: "I wonder if that was intended."
The Mrs is crazyyyy lmfaoo
watching straight people react to queer subtext is always a blast
@@cake6787 And they were roommates!
@@cake6787 honestly with that kiss and the confirmation that patrick has his dating app preferences set to women and men, it feels pretty much like text, which is why people underplaying it is so wild lol.
@@gummyfang true i couldn’t think of a better word at the time lol
I always assumed that Pat & Art had fooled around beyond the masturbation tutorial lol before the kissing scene. But, if not, it’s something Patrick in particular had been fantasizing about for a while.
Luca Guadagnino's movies have a way of drawing you in. Even when you are thinking, 'this is not for me,' you can't stop watching. CMBYN is his magnum opus and truly is a stunning film.
Like Patrick said, Art plays percentage tennis. He doesn't do outright "wrong things", like cheating for example, but he manipulates the situation in his favor with much more hidden intention and calculation than the other two.
He wanted Tashi but he never told her his true feelings directly, because he knew that wouldn't get him anywhere. So he just threw that "he doesn't love you" shit. Tashi probably really didn't care or more like hadn't put much thought into whether there is love or not until he said that, but it definitely is degrading to hear regardless. And Tashi has a strong ego.
He did the same thing to Patrick as well but Patrick knew him too well to fall for that. But it still worked on Tashi, so she almost obsessively focused on tennis while being with Patrick and that also triggered Patrick bc with Art, he knew he was always gonna win but it's different with Tashi. They were both junior winners but while Tashi was stepping on right stones, he was kinda falling apart. You can tell he was sorta jealous of her from that "Duncanater" comment.
So that fight eventually made her lose focus on the game and cost her entire future as a player. Sure, it wasn't all Art's fault and definitely not his intentions but he made the crack at the worst timing and he knows it. Still he never apologized for that. Instead, he told Tashi in Applebee that he felt guilty because it might not have happened if he had won the match against Patrick...? which is, not only evading the true source of his guilt, but at the same time somehow making himself look pitiful, and overall just a really nice person and a romantic guy to Tashi.
And lastly, he clearly used some situations to make her accept his marriage proposal. She was his coach, he basically gave her a second and only chance to be in the professional world of tennis again. It would've been awkward and hard to even think about turning him down, especially when he also is the most adequate vessel to somewhat live her dreams again. On top of that, this movie is full of parallels between whichever two characters. 13 years ago Art half-jokingly tried to guilt-trip Patrick into giving him a win at the finals by bringing up his dying grandmother, but after meeting Tashi Patrick said he 'hoped she would get a stroke'. Years later in Atlanta, Tashi's evidently having a hard time seeing Anna Mueller and Art side by side as winners cuz she is after all just a coach, not an actual player. Patrick shows up, sees the ring, and she tells him it's his grandmother's and that she 'died of stroke'. It's clear Patrick realizes right away that Art pulled the same tactic as he did with him years ago, and that it worked this time. All those were calculation.
I'm not saying he is a bad person or a true villain. I think nobody is either of that. They are all homewreckers at one point technically, but Art is much more subtle and successful in looking like an innocent guy when he isn't. Anyway the movie really is not even about that either. It's just that they didn't know they needed all 3 of each other and when they finally realized that at the end, they also found real passion and love in tennis.
"He doesn't do outright "wrong things", like cheating for example, but he manipulates the situation in his favor with much more hidden intention and calculation than the other two."
Not really?
Art had one conversation with Tashi where he tells her that Patrick isn't in love with her (which is correct, Patrick is with Tashi to get a reaction out of Art) and Tashi dismisses him completely by making it clear that she doesn't care whether or not Patrick loves her because she didn't ask him to love her. And his conversation with Patrick is literally an offhand mention that Tashi isn't taking their relationship seriously, to which Patrick clearly responds with excitement because he's getting the reaction he wanted out of Art.
"He wanted Tashi but he never told her his true feelings directly, because he knew that wouldn't get him anywhere."
What? Both boys make it clear that they both like her since the very beggining. Tashi literally brings up Art being in love with her when they are in the Applebees. Tashi always knew that Art loved her.
"So he just threw that "he doesn't love you" shit."
Which was correct. Patrick was with Tashi out of physical attraction, not a genuine emotional connection.
"Tashi probably really didn't care or more like hadn't put much thought into whether there is love or not until he said that, but it definitely is degrading to hear regardless."
How is it degrading to her? If anything she degrades herself by being with soemone who doesn't love her. Tashi's first insticnt when Art brings up Patrcim is to ask if he's seeing other people while on tour, which clearly shows that they have some fundamental trust issues. And that's not surprising considering that when Tashi first met Patrick he was trying to hook up with her while having a girlfriend back at their boarding school.
"And Tashi has a strong ego."
Yes, it's almost as if Tashi and Patrick's egos and clashing personalities were the reason they broke up.
"He did the same thing to Patrick as well but Patrick knew him too well to fall for that."
Again, Patrick didn't give a flying fuck about what Art said. When he came to Stanford he went to see Art first and spend more time with him than with Tashi and he was clearly over the moon that his plan to date Tashi to get Art worked up and jelous was working. He didn't give a shit about anything Art said and was more busy flirting with Art.
"But it still worked on Tashi, so she almost obsessively focused on tennis while being with Patrick and that also triggered Patrick bc with Art, he knew he was always gonna win but it's different with Tashi."
What worked on Tashi? She was always obsessively focused on tennis, it had nothing to do with anything Art said.
"They were both junior winners but while Tashi was stepping on right stones, he was kinda falling apart. You can tell he was sorta jealous of her from that "Duncanater" comment."
Yes, both issues between Patrick and Tashi that have nothing to do with Art.
"So that fight eventually made her lose focus on the game and cost her entire future as a player."
The injure had nothing to do with the fight. She just landed wrong. It could have happend even if she hadn't had that fight, or later down the line in another match. Injuries come with the territory for professional athletes, a bad landing, turn or fall can cause irreversible damage and ruin your career. Tashi was one of the unlucky athletes that have that happen to them early on before they can ever reach their true potential.
"Sure, it wasn't all Art's fault and definitely not his intentions but he made the crack at the worst timing and he knows it."
Literally no. Art talks with Tashi several days before Patrick visists them at Stanford. His conversation with Tashi is completely disconnected from Tashi's argument with Patrick. They literally argue about their own issues, not anything Art said.
"Still he never apologized for that."
Apologise for what? That Tashi and Patrick fought due to their own issues that had nothing to do with him?
"Instead, he told Tashi in Applebee that he felt guilty because it might not have happened if he had won the match against Patrick...? which is, not only evading the true source of his guilt, but at the same time somehow making himself look pitiful, and overall just a really nice person and a romantic guy to Tashi."
The fuck are you even talking about?
Art raises a legitimate point that maybe if he had been good enough to beat Patrick back then he could have been the one to date Tashi and maybe things would have played out differently and she wouldn't have injured herself. It speaks to Art's inferiority complex and how years later he is still insecure about his skills and isn't sure he can beat Patrick. It's not an attempt to manipulte Tashi or any werid delusion you have.
"And lastly, he clearly used some situations to make her accept his marriage proposal. She was his coach, he basically gave her a second and only chance to be in the professional world of tennis again. It would've been awkward and hard to even think about turning him down, especially when he also is the most adequate vessel to somewhat live her dreams again."
You're pretending Art somehow forced Tashi to marry him. That's a hilariously insane reach. They fell in love, started dating, Tashi became Art's assistant coach, eventually she took over as his main coach, they got engaged, married and had a child together.
At any point Tashi could have walked away if she felt she was being forced into marrying him. She didn't. She wanted to be with him.
"On top of that, this movie is full of parallels between whichever two characters. 13 years ago Art half-jokingly tried to guilt-trip Patrick into giving him a win at the finals by bringing up his dying grandmother, but after meeting Tashi Patrick said he 'hoped she would get a stroke'. Years later in Atlanta, Tashi's evidently having a hard time seeing Anna Mueller and Art side by side as winners cuz she is after all just a coach, not an actual player. Patrick shows up, sees the ring, and she tells him it's his grandmother's and that she 'died of stroke'. It's clear Patrick realizes right away that Art pulled the same tactic as he did with him years ago, and that it worked this time. All those were calculation."
What tactic? Art's grandma dying from a stroke like Patrick jiked about is a cruel irony of fate, something Art had absolutely no control over. After she died he used her ring to propose to Tashi. That's literally it. Threre's no grand scheme or trick here. It's a very common and sweet thing to do.
"I'm not saying he is a bad person or a true villain. I think nobody is either of that. They are all homewreckers at one point technically, but Art is much more subtle and successful in looking like an innocent guy when he isn't."
Art is completely innocent of all the random things you are trying to pin on him and he is by far the least morally reprenhensible character and the most normal out of the three. Tashi and Patrick are fully grown adults that willingly chose to cheat when there's a marriage and a child in the middle. That shit is entire orders of magnitude worse than anything Art did.
Really like this duo together! Hopefully we get more of Mr and Mrs MovieFusion
what’s insane is i never felt bad for art bc his manipulation + the clear (albeit broken) polyamorous nature of their relationship was so clear to me upon first watch that i ended up leaving with no true “villain” in my head.
Tashi finally got what she wanted. Good fucking tennis. Art got to stay with tashi. Patrick’s gets art back as a friend.
When people first movie, I feel like they feel bad for Art because of the way Tashi treated him when they were married and he’s more submissive. But I feel like Art is the real “villain” of the story because he instigated Patrick’s and Tashis relationship when they were dating in college in the cafe. He got in both Tashis and Patrick’s head which then lead to Tashis injury. But all three all are at fault to some extent. Such a mess but I loved it💀
I feel like it’s unfair to blame him for “getting in their heads” and causing her injury. Yeah it’s a selfish move as an immature teenager but idk how that can be blown up into being considered the “villain.” All he did was point out how unfit for each other they are…cause they are. They couldn’t even have sex without Tashi constantly changing the conversation to tennis and how Patrick needs her help to get better. They’re more at fault for their own fuck-ups.
It’s still a dick move, but he’s easily the least problematic or “villainous” since he was just a teenager and Tashi/Pat continued acting like home-wrecking messes when they were more than 30.
@@patmcconnell9956 that why I used “villain” in quotations. Not necessarily a villain and not one to blame 100%. He did point out how unfit they were for each other, but that’s not something he should say to either of them. Hence, he instigated their relationship. It’s just a movie lol. But these love triangles or whatever they are happens in real life.
I saw the interview for the movie and 2 out of the 3 said if you watch it a second time, then majority of people paint Art as the “villain”.
@@lex12232 I watched it numerous times so that’s not the case for everyone. My point is that yeah he wasn’t a saint, but I see so many comments on how he’s the only one to criticize and how Tashi and Patrick did nothing wrong. I see that you’re mature enough to recognize them all being problematic in some way, I just wish people put in context the difference of a teenager’s selfish actions with that of someone who’s in their 30s and with a child of their own.
I felt very bad for Art the first time I watched it and disliked Patrick and Tashi, but when I rewatched the movie I actually felt Art was the most villainous of the three. His manipulation nature is what led to Tashi and Patrick having an argument and her getting into a bad headspace that led to her injury. I also enjoyed the movie more the second time around.
Their argument wasn't Art's fault at all. Both Tashi and Patrick saw what Art was doing and were dismissive of it. They argued because of their own egos and opposition of viewing each other as equals.
@@luiscalzoncit2820 I assumed Tashi was pretending to be dismissive of it but that it actually got inside her head.
@@JJdaPK How so? Patrick and Tashi's argument wasn't even about Art. It was about tennis and their pride and refusal to acknowledge the other as an equal. *That's* what made Tashi lose her focus.
Art will never will be a victim. He instigated the drama between Tashi and Patrick, which psyched her out and led her to getting injured on the court. He stopped talking to his best friend since 12 for a girl (no matter how talented and smart she is) he didn't even speak to for 3 years; Even Tashi was shocked at that fact. He remained angry at Patrick for 5 years, before he had an affair with Tashi, for no reason at all. He was more upset at Patrick for sleeping with Tashi than he was at Tashi for sleeping with Patrick.
Art is an immature drama king who likes to act all innocent. 🙄
Great film. When it came out and I watched it, I went with the expectations of being a love triangle boring tennis film from what I saw in the trailers, and I was so surprised by how good the characters were, acting, camera work, score, etc. Great film, it's my third favorite film of 2024. I gave 8.5/10 to this film.
And I don't know how you and other people can rate movies. 1/5, I've never liked that scale of rating; for me, I've always liked 1/10 better because it's easier to rate films like that. 1-3 it's terrible to bad, 4/10 is below average, 5/10 average, 6/10 it's a passable film, 7/10 good film, 8/10 great film, 9/10 almost flawless, 10/10 a masterpiece.
I loved y’all reaction. I don't know if you guys watched The Holdovers, it's one of the best movies of 2023, and I would love if you guys reacted to it.
Mrs MovieFusion is an icon already 😍 Slay Queen
i used to play tennis but fell out two years ago. now im motivated to have a try once more lol
Zendaya’s character is sociopathic
Team Art 🔥
It's "love," because it sounds like the French phrase, "l'oeuf," meaning "the egg," which means 0.
Awesome reaction of my favorite movie!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊
9:54 omg does she know spanish or is she actually hispanic?
Yes! She is Mexican and Peruvian. Spanish is actually her first language.
@@MovieFusion so cool! im an argentinian so i knew that accent was too good lol
10:54 LMFAO
29:48 I was emotional in this part of the movie... Beautiful movie and these three, so hot!
She looks like Leah from love island in the thumbnail
Best ending
When you can, please react to Rush hour 1,2 and 3 with Jackie Chan and Chris tucker. Super hilarious with plenty action scenes
Art is a manipulator, he also played a role in them breaking up leading to her injury.
The sum of the movie is kind of the fact that they were all trash lol. In the end though, they all kind of fueled each other to the one thing they all loved; tennis.
In the end Art got his mojo back, Patrick pushed him the way he needed. Patrick got Art back, and Tashi, well... she got to see some "good fucking tennis" 😂
Hating tashi is one thing as she is the most horrible character out of the three but what the fuck is wrong with Patrick, no need to give hate to that character. Art was infact a snake and was just a lapdog to Tashi. Patrick and the actor Josh connor is charismatic