Cradle Catholic here. My parents raised my sisters and I with beer and wine since middle school and we're some of the only people I know who didn't get wasted in college all the time. The only others were those who were raised like me. Definitely believe kids should be raised and guided in temperance in alcohol by their parents, not by college students.
My own background was more "getting blackout drunk in high school a couple times, turned 21 and found that alcohol was boring and I don't like being drunk," so now I avoid drinking beyond a certain level of buzz. However I also think it would be good to raise children with alcohol. I'd rather my own kids learn to respect alcohol at home, not at someone else's house.
Cradle catholic here too. I started "drinking" when i was a baby, my father would give me beer foam, as i was growing he slowly let me drink a little...im in 30s now, never been wasted, enjoying alcohol without desire to be drunk
I lost my brother ten days, we are heartbroken and I’m lost - I’m quite angry and this appeared in my feed. Not sure why it appeared but I choose to listen to it whilst keeping busy - it’s been so lovely and peaceful. I’ve asked my boys to listen to this. I’m not really sure what’s going on at the moment I’m being bombarded by faith everywhere I turn. Thankyou gents for this. He shouldn’t have gone so young and feel robbed but good podcasts are keeping the days gentle.
I drank and partied too much in college and even blacked out once. And I even pale compared to others but I still regret it all immensely. Don’t drink to poison yourself. You can and will do irreversible damage.
The problem with alcohol and intimacy is that people (including myself) use it as a crutch and delay the development of their skills to be intimate, vulnerable and express themselves without it. Perfectly fine for well in tune and virtuous people and can certainly strengthen social bonds when used correctly - but I'd wager there are more people out there who would benefit more from abstinence from it than partaking in it. Culture matters big time. Come to Wisconsin - we are home to 7 of the top 10 most drunk cities in the US. Telling someone you're not drinking or having just one at their home, party or out with them and its just as offensive to them as not eating a meal they made. It's not for me anymore but man this did seem like a lot of fun!
I’m nearly 20 minutes into this video and I am enjoying this more than almost any other video, sheerly for the joy shared between you three. BTW, it’s true that Lagavulin is the best Scotch. Dominus vobiscum!
I'm a 19 year old traditional catholic. I don't drink alcohol, period. However, I am not opposed to alcohol morally, and this video does a great job at breaking down the arguments against alcohol. Yet, I'm still unable to understand why one SHOULD drink alcohol anymore than one should eat unhealthy food. Anyone wish to articulate a reason that I should drink, besides pleasure (operating on the assumption that pleasure in itself is not a good)?
Biblically, it’s recommended every once in a while. It’s good in social settings, lowers inhibitions, relaxes you. Personally I pray to never drink a drop again but that’s just because I can’t hold my liquor.
@YAJUN YUAN Just general social situations to promote levity and good spirits. You can find it everywhere in the gospels. And I’m no Old Testament expert but Ecclesiastes has a lot of good things to say about wine too. The difficult part is drinking consciously without becoming inebriated.
I've been a substance abuse counselor since 1991. When a person develops an obsession of the feeling from the drug/alcohol, they thus prioritize the use of drugs/alcohol over every other gifts and responsibilities that God has bestowed upon them, and ultimately loses their spirituality and true contact with God. Now, of course, this does not happen quickly. Evil works slowly and diligently to make us feel comfortable with evil. So, many of these people sadly are the last to realize they have developed a substance use disorder. However, the person in true recovery or sobriety, has developed the hope and gratitude that their path can change and they can welcome God back into their life's journey to HIM.
I think St Thomas speaks on “imperfect drunkenness” (I.e slight loss of motor function but still able to reason) being venial and “perfect drunkenness” (I.e. blacking out, total loss of reason) being mortal, yeah?
The law of diminishing returns, Matt! Try this: 1. get 4 charred oak sticks or carboy sticks, along with 4 bourbons or whiskies of the same kind. 2. get 4 zip-lock bags and fill one with sherry, the other with port, the next with cabernet sauvignon wine, and the last with malbec wine. 3. "marinate" the 4 oak sticks you bought into each of those zip lock bags for 2-4weeks and have them washed and dried after. 4. tie a string on each end of the oak sticks you bought and have each differently "marinated" or "matured" stick dunk into each of your whisky/bourbon bottle. The string serves as a means for you to pull out the stick later. Have the sticks soaked in your whiskies/bourbon for about a month and taste it. Leave the sticks in those bottles and taste those whiskies/bourbons again in the next month. Try it! I guess you will get some fun without breaking the bank!
I do agree with what Aquinas said in the quotation that was read. Which is why there are many more reasons not to drink than to drink. I would never drink whiskey with my son as soon as he was legally old enough to drink, I think that's very foolish even if it is well-intentioned. What a foolish and almost evil statement "he'll learn to be a man that way". What if he learns to be a drunkard that way?
@@RCGWho Whether or not someone chooses to abstain from alcohol altogether is one thing but to tout it as a positive good is a mistake! There are very few incidences where alcohol has been a positive good in someone's life and many many incidences where it has been a negative evil and has destroyed lives and that's a fact! I myself know of a good many people whose lives have been ruined by alcohol and alcoholism. People killed on the highways spousal abuse myriads of deaths and all these are things people could do without. Why would anyone promote as a positive good something that destroys both body and soul? It is an unholy thing promoted by unholy people!
When my kids and I do blind tastes we do all the same glasses numbered on the bottom, arranged roughly by mashbills or distillery. Yes. It takes a long time with several revisits to put them in our preferred order. Once we did a “bracket” of about 22 bottles over two days. I think my palate and brain were so worn out by the end I choose regular Buffalo Trace over Willet Family Estate rye, one of my absolute favorites 😂😂😂😂
Everything in moderation. Drink, TV, Games etc. It's when you find yourself with an unhealthy relationship with said thing, that you know you need to review that relationship with it. Some things, are off limits of course, IE: porn, adultery drugs and so on.
I hope I can come to Steubenville and bro down with all four of you someday! You should all come to the UP too, we can sauna and jump in Lake Superior! 👍👍
A little late to this conversation but cider is a manly drink. In the Colonial period of the USA cider was for the most part, breakfast. The ideal farm would be about 100 acres with 2 to 3 for an orchard for the purpose of making cider. Now hard kombucha is where it is at.
Careful with strong drink (whiskey) which is always condemned in God's Word. The only thing that an alcoholic needs to fall is for a trusted friend to encourage him to drink. It has to be a trusted friend though. And I don't know if you know it but there's a world of difference between wine and whiskey. Whiskey has 4 to 5 times as much alcohol as wine. To equate the wine of the Bible with whiskey is... I think I just ran out of words.
I hated the stuff my dad was given by clients and suppliers (blended crap) and i snook a snifter of, then as a 28 year old i decided to go visit a place called Grantown on spey where i used to visit my grandad who was a gamekeeper there in the 80s....I then discovered the mind boggling different tastes of a single malt ! my now fav is the cheap one from Lldl ! shoot.....its a Tuesday and i want to taste a whiskey now... THUMBS UP FOR THE ROUND TABLE "!
Whisky & Gin are protestant. If you want to drink hard stuff, try Chartreuse, made by a monks. Same with Schnapps, almost every village in Austria has their own brand.
Until you understand and live the faith, avoiding alcohol is best. Our faith teaches us self mastery. So important so as not to succumb to temptations which alcohol will weaken.
To comment on a couple lines of discussion (virtue in drinking bourbon is not being able to tell the difference between cheap and expensive and the cocktail vs straight alcohol), I think the virtue is appreciating what’s put in front of you. A cheaper whiskey may have a simplicity in it that can be appreciated even though it’s not expensive and overly complex. A cocktail can bring forth different beauties of the alcohol may not be appreciated otherwise, or enhanced in a way that elevates it. Also, it’s possible to appreciate something without enjoying it or having a taste for it, so they aren’t the same thing. You could still prefer expensive whiskey over cheap, or cocktails over straight whiskey.
I wonder if the distinction between "buzzed" and "drunk" lies in a qualitative difference. Being "buzzed", it seems, has to do with the lowering of emotional inhibitions only (but the physical and intellectual faculties are still intact), that is, the individual has a "joyous" or "social" feeling that he/she would not typically have when sober. This looks like a person "opening up" after they have consumed a light drink or two. However, it appears being "drunk" is a lowering of all three faculties (i.e., physical, emotional, intellectual), which culminates in an inability to control one's physical, emotional, and intellectual faculties.
Eh, though I am comfortable around it and have no problems with alcohol, I hate that characteristic "burn" and I also hated the flavor of every alcoholic beverage (including cocktails, except for a few of them that were agreeable, and limoncello, which will soon be mentioned again) I've tried so far, so I just don't drink (including limoncello, which is so freaking delicious I don't drink out of fear of becoming dependent on it). However, just as I watched the Epicurious' "How to mix every cocktail" video some months ago, I am definitely going to watch this entire thing even though I have no particular reason to do so.
34:17 I think I would disagree. Wine, for me at least, is about taste. If I drink a cocktail it’s for taste. I don’t enjoy being drunk or near it. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant
Definitely judge whiskeys by the price to taste ratio. Good whiskey at a fair price I'll buy. But definitely feel many are way over priced. But I'm a sucker for a 40 year old Oban.
I don't know that I'll have time for the full video right now, but for the love of all that is holy, unless you're doing flavor drift, finish your open buffalo trace before popping the new one. (Edit): Well done
@@pintswithaquinasThat's all people can come up with. They blame Jesus for their vices because Jesus was a the partyy boy that turned water into wine. A glass of wine with dinner is different than downing shots or having a well stocked bar or an extensive bourbon collection.
Cradle Catholic here. My parents raised my sisters and I with beer and wine since middle school and we're some of the only people I know who didn't get wasted in college all the time. The only others were those who were raised like me. Definitely believe kids should be raised and guided in temperance in alcohol by their parents, not by college students.
My own background was more "getting blackout drunk in high school a couple times, turned 21 and found that alcohol was boring and I don't like being drunk," so now I avoid drinking beyond a certain level of buzz. However I also think it would be good to raise children with alcohol.
I'd rather my own kids learn to respect alcohol at home, not at someone else's house.
Cradle catholic here too. I started "drinking" when i was a baby, my father would give me beer foam, as i was growing he slowly let me drink a little...im in 30s now, never been wasted, enjoying alcohol without desire to be drunk
@@lawmaker22 why not just not drink it its a poison
@@eg4848 because catholics are not puritans, because Our Lord drank wine. Its not poison if you drink it in small quantities
I lost my brother ten days, we are heartbroken and I’m lost - I’m quite angry and this appeared in my feed. Not sure why it appeared but I choose to listen to it whilst keeping busy - it’s been so lovely and peaceful. I’ve asked my boys to listen to this. I’m not really sure what’s going on at the moment I’m being bombarded by faith everywhere I turn. Thankyou gents for this. He shouldn’t have gone so young and feel robbed but good podcasts are keeping the days gentle.
Sorry for your loss! 🙏🙏🙏
Matt, as someone who studies theology and likes doing whiskey blind tests, I am glad to see this content.
I drank and partied too much in college and even blacked out once. And I even pale compared to others but I still regret it all immensely. Don’t drink to poison yourself. You can and will do irreversible damage.
“…And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, And oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.”
Psalm 104:15 KJV
Best whiskey is the one you like to drink, the way you like to drink it.
#WhiskeyTribe #WhiskeyVault
Three cheers for Whiskey Tribe! Also, Stuff & Whiskey and It's Bourbon Night is good channels.
"are"
The problem with alcohol and intimacy is that people (including myself) use it as a crutch and delay the development of their skills to be intimate, vulnerable and express themselves without it. Perfectly fine for well in tune and virtuous people and can certainly strengthen social bonds when used correctly - but I'd wager there are more people out there who would benefit more from abstinence from it than partaking in it. Culture matters big time. Come to Wisconsin - we are home to 7 of the top 10 most drunk cities in the US. Telling someone you're not drinking or having just one at their home, party or out with them and its just as offensive to them as not eating a meal they made. It's not for me anymore but man this did seem like a lot of fun!
I LOVE THIS! Jacob Imam is one of my faves! Marc needs to on again too!
Loved this format, please do it again and Jacob, Rob and Neil were really awesome to hear
Love when you share your true friendships, Matt. Always makes for a great episode
Love this! This dropped the day after my 21st birthday. Thanks for the tips Matt.
A very good episode! Thanks for the insight and helping with the difference between buzz and being drunk.
Oh definitely, the type of drunkenness mentioned in the bible is that drunkenness that leads you to do wild thing, *cough* like Judah
I’m nearly 20 minutes into this video and I am enjoying this more than almost any other video, sheerly for the joy shared between you three. BTW, it’s true that Lagavulin is the best Scotch. Dominus vobiscum!
I'm a 19 year old traditional catholic. I don't drink alcohol, period. However, I am not opposed to alcohol morally, and this video does a great job at breaking down the arguments against alcohol. Yet, I'm still unable to understand why one SHOULD drink alcohol anymore than one should eat unhealthy food. Anyone wish to articulate a reason that I should drink, besides pleasure (operating on the assumption that pleasure in itself is not a good)?
Biblically, it’s recommended every once in a while. It’s good in social settings, lowers inhibitions, relaxes you. Personally I pray to never drink a drop again but that’s just because I can’t hold my liquor.
@YAJUN YUAN Just general social situations to promote levity and good spirits. You can find it everywhere in the gospels. And I’m no Old Testament expert but Ecclesiastes has a lot of good things to say about wine too. The difficult part is drinking consciously without becoming inebriated.
This was so fun! Thanks for sharing your friendship!
As an assistant distiller and host of a whiskey based podcast, I absolutely love this
I've been a substance abuse counselor since 1991. When a person develops an obsession of the feeling from the drug/alcohol, they thus prioritize the use of drugs/alcohol over every other gifts and responsibilities that God has bestowed upon them, and ultimately loses their spirituality and true contact with God. Now, of course, this does not happen quickly. Evil works slowly and diligently to make us feel comfortable with evil. So, many of these people sadly are the last to realize they have developed a substance use disorder. However, the person in true recovery or sobriety, has developed the hope and gratitude that their path can change and they can welcome God back into their life's journey to HIM.
God bless you for the work you do! 🙏🙏🙏
This is so much fun. The dynamic is such that you almost feel like you're in the room with them.
"Lead us not into temptation"
I think St Thomas speaks on “imperfect drunkenness” (I.e slight loss of motor function but still able to reason) being venial and “perfect drunkenness” (I.e. blacking out, total loss of reason) being mortal, yeah?
Cool to see you’re friends with Robby. He’s a household brother of mine and got inducted into household together and I love his genuine heart.
I loved this episode!!! Please do more
The law of diminishing returns, Matt! Try this:
1. get 4 charred oak sticks or carboy sticks, along with 4 bourbons or whiskies of the same kind.
2. get 4 zip-lock bags and fill one with sherry, the other with port, the next with cabernet sauvignon wine, and the last with malbec wine.
3. "marinate" the 4 oak sticks you bought into each of those zip lock bags for 2-4weeks and have them washed and dried after.
4. tie a string on each end of the oak sticks you bought and have each differently "marinated" or "matured" stick dunk into each of your whisky/bourbon bottle. The string serves as a means for you to pull out the stick later. Have the sticks soaked in your whiskies/bourbon for about a month and taste it. Leave the sticks in those bottles and taste those whiskies/bourbons again in the next month.
Try it! I guess you will get some fun without breaking the bank!
As a whiskey guy, I’m so happy this episode exists.
I do agree with what Aquinas said in the quotation that was read. Which is why there are many more reasons not to drink than to drink. I would never drink whiskey with my son as soon as he was legally old enough to drink, I think that's very foolish even if it is well-intentioned. What a foolish and almost evil statement "he'll learn to be a man that way". What if he learns to be a drunkard that way?
They will do everything you do in spades. Its not similar to gun safety.
@@RCGWho Whether or not someone chooses to abstain from alcohol altogether is one thing but to tout it as a positive good is a mistake! There are very few incidences where alcohol has been a positive good in someone's life and many many incidences where it has been a negative evil and has destroyed lives and that's a fact! I myself know of a good many people whose lives have been ruined by alcohol and alcoholism. People killed on the highways spousal abuse myriads of deaths and all these are things people could do without. Why would anyone promote as a positive good something that destroys both body and soul? It is an unholy thing promoted by unholy people!
@@kevincarney1984 There's many good reasons they have called it the demon alcohol. It's insidious.
@@RCGWho Not for nothing they call it spirits!
"what is life without grape juice?" - Mormon edition
@YAJUN YUAN poison😂 so Jesus made poison did he?
Yeah, saw this coming up. Couldn't stay up 2 til 4 am though. Watching later so can't have any live input.
Definitely like the round table discussions!
This is awesome! Please do more round tables
Great show, love how you guys did this. Please do more of them!
Would love to see this same thing with cigars. Like this format for sure!
Loved this format and the discussion!!!!
Matt you should try them with 2 sips each. the first sip can overwhelm your taste buds
When my kids and I do blind tastes we do all the same glasses numbered on the bottom, arranged roughly by mashbills or distillery. Yes. It takes a long time with several revisits to put them in our preferred order. Once we did a “bracket” of about 22 bottles over two days. I think my palate and brain were so worn out by the end I choose regular Buffalo Trace over Willet Family Estate rye, one of my absolute favorites 😂😂😂😂
Everything in moderation. Drink, TV, Games etc. It's when you find yourself with an unhealthy relationship with said thing, that you know you need to review that relationship with it.
Some things, are off limits of course, IE: porn, adultery drugs and so on.
I'd love to see more roundtable discussions. Great video by the way!
Alcohall is proof that Ben Franklin loves us and wants us to be drunk, best episode evah!
I hope I can come to Steubenville and bro down with all four of you someday! You should all come to the UP too, we can sauna and jump in Lake Superior! 👍👍
A little late to this conversation but cider is a manly drink. In the Colonial period of the USA cider was for the most part, breakfast. The ideal farm would be about 100 acres with 2 to 3 for an orchard for the purpose of making cider. Now hard kombucha is where it is at.
As a Catholic and whiskey lover, I hope to meet Matt Fradd some day #pax
Careful with strong drink (whiskey) which is always condemned in God's Word. The only thing that an alcoholic needs to fall is for a trusted friend to encourage him to drink. It has to be a trusted friend though.
And I don't know if you know it but there's a world of difference between wine and whiskey. Whiskey has 4 to 5 times as much alcohol as wine. To equate the wine of the Bible with whiskey is... I think I just ran out of words.
I hated the stuff my dad was given by clients and suppliers (blended crap) and i snook a snifter of, then as a 28 year old i decided to go visit a place called Grantown on spey where i used to visit my grandad who was a gamekeeper there in the 80s....I then discovered the mind boggling different tastes of a single malt ! my now fav is the cheap one from Lldl ! shoot.....its a Tuesday and i want to taste a whiskey now... THUMBS UP FOR THE ROUND TABLE "!
I love this format! Just friends chatting
Looks like you stopped by Buffalo Trace on the way to the studio!
I agree with Matt. All Bourbon tastes roughly the same, at least compared to the vast difference one gets when exploring Scotch and Japanese whiskey.
I loved this format!!!👍 and this conversation : perfect!
Great show, please keep them coming!
Whisky & Gin are protestant. If you want to drink hard stuff, try Chartreuse, made by a monks. Same with Schnapps, almost every village in Austria has their own brand.
This is so much fun! I feel like I’m part of the group! Thank you for sharing.
Until you understand and live the faith, avoiding alcohol is best. Our faith teaches us self mastery. So important so as not to succumb to temptations which alcohol will weaken.
This episode was awesome
I judge an alcohol by how it makes me feel the next morning.
To comment on a couple lines of discussion (virtue in drinking bourbon is not being able to tell the difference between cheap and expensive and the cocktail vs straight alcohol), I think the virtue is appreciating what’s put in front of you. A cheaper whiskey may have a simplicity in it that can be appreciated even though it’s not expensive and overly complex. A cocktail can bring forth different beauties of the alcohol may not be appreciated otherwise, or enhanced in a way that elevates it. Also, it’s possible to appreciate something without enjoying it or having a taste for it, so they aren’t the same thing. You could still prefer expensive whiskey over cheap, or cocktails over straight whiskey.
I wonder if the distinction between "buzzed" and "drunk" lies in a qualitative difference. Being "buzzed", it seems, has to do with the lowering of emotional inhibitions only (but the physical and intellectual faculties are still intact), that is, the individual has a "joyous" or "social" feeling that he/she would not typically have when sober. This looks like a person "opening up" after they have consumed a light drink or two. However, it appears being "drunk" is a lowering of all three faculties (i.e., physical, emotional, intellectual), which culminates in an inability to control one's physical, emotional, and intellectual faculties.
Here’s me having a lot of fun watching and I don’t even drink.
Eh, though I am comfortable around it and have no problems with alcohol, I hate that characteristic "burn" and I also hated the flavor of every alcoholic beverage (including cocktails, except for a few of them that were agreeable, and limoncello, which will soon be mentioned again) I've tried so far, so I just don't drink (including limoncello, which is so freaking delicious I don't drink out of fear of becoming dependent on it). However, just as I watched the Epicurious' "How to mix every cocktail" video some months ago, I am definitely going to watch this entire thing even though I have no particular reason to do so.
34:17 I think I would disagree. Wine, for me at least, is about taste. If I drink a cocktail it’s for taste. I don’t enjoy being drunk or near it. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant
Definitely judge whiskeys by the price to taste ratio. Good whiskey at a fair price I'll buy. But definitely feel many are way over priced. But I'm a sucker for a 40 year old Oban.
Real question is "Is Steubenville the new (enter Holy place name here)?"
Deez nutz
I enjoyed this episode.
I had to stop watching because it got boring. I thought at some point a an actual discussion on drinking and Catholicism was going to happen.
From what I could see, they discussed St. Thomas and Church guidelines on drinking throughout the production..? Were we watching a different cast...
I turn 21 very soon, so this video is convenient
I don't know that I'll have time for the full video right now, but for the love of all that is holy, unless you're doing flavor drift, finish your open buffalo trace before popping the new one.
(Edit): Well done
Nice job gents
All I'm saying is that we eradicated alcohol and drugs from humanity, we would be way better (and go to Heaven in higher numbers).
So was Christ wrong to have changed water into wine?
Good alcohol drink is gift of God
How?
Don’t think Jesus would agree
@@pintswithaquinasThat's all people can come up with. They blame Jesus for their vices because Jesus was a the partyy boy that turned water into wine. A glass of wine with dinner is different than downing shots or having a well stocked bar or an extensive bourbon collection.
So what does Aquinas say about mary jane?
Buffalo Trace! Great whiskey for $25
We drink for flavor not effect.
Can we get another show like this, but with tabacco (pipes and cigars)?
my favorite set of drinks "the Rittenhouse" a chaser and 3 shots
Where did Neil go?
I drink alone : )(
Yeah, pinot noir... Snap!
Jacob Imam ... the irony of his name
Irish whiskey!
53:00
The irony of nurturing your children in drinking booze.
Islam and Mormonism have the right view of booze cons outweigh the pros by far
That joke about the Ohio river and genetic mutation aged better than he ever could have imagined.