The Iron Claw Scene That Hit Kevin Von Erich's Emotions Hard
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- Опубликовано: 30 дек 2023
- "The Iron Claw" is seemingly gearing up to be one of the most successful movies depicting wrestling, and many in the industry have had good things to say about it. On "Talk is Jericho," Kevin Von Erich commented on his involvement in the movie, and the one scene that made him emotional.
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Kevin is too kind to his own father even when Kevin admitted that Fritz pulled a gun on him and told him to kill himself like his brothers if he only had the guts to do it
I think it was Bronco Lubich he once asked , "is it okay love love and hate my father at the same time "
Did you know his dad? Did you live with them when they were at home? Then shut up about it you are going off what you think is father was like off of 3rd party news sites etc....I believe Kevin if he said his dad was a good man that is good enough for me.
@@SimplyChaotic98 I won't blame Fritz for what he did toward the end of his life, but he still raised a household of boys that didn't know how to talk about their problems and it killed 4 out of the 6 of them, leaving the 5th to carry the burden all alone. As someone who never had a dad, I am extremely generous to patriarchal figures. But Fritz looked exactly as he should've looked in Iron Claw, because he was not that good of a dad. He failed Chris and Mike especially, Kerry and David you could argue would always get into wrestling and would always fall down to the drugs that were pumped in wrestling, but Chris and Mike were destined for different things had they lived in a household that allowed them such thoughts.
@@RyanKaufmankeep in mind merry only took pain killers to suppress the pain of his legs being stabbed and punctured leading his to be addicted in the process. But abuse will more than likely take them down that path regardless.
Kerry lost his foot.
@@MegaMarvelMashup
Probably the last scene where he's sitting watching his sons play and crying because he's lost all his brothers
“i used to be a brother”
I have 3 brothers and this got me good
It came right after the afterlife scene and I was legit crying the whole time... movies ND TV shows don't normally do that to me unless I feel a connection with the story or character. My dad on the other hand, lost his 4 hr old brother when he was run over by a car at the age of 4 in 1952 and has carried that visua ever since. I think that's why that scene made me cry like I did. That and the whole duality of happiness, in life and in death. Just a beautiful ending to an absolutely TRAGIC story. Obviously some things were left out but the people behind this film were all exceptional. Every last one of them... except the actor who played Ric Flair 😂 that portrayal was 🔥 🗑 hope it doesn't derail whoever that actor is career but that's the kind of role that can do it when you are mis cast AND botch it like that. Not saying it's his fault, just the worst part of the film
Very emotional. Wrestling didn’t protect the family, love did and God Is Love.
@jroff7475 weren't protected very well though. 5 brothers and only one is alive... I wouldn't call that a "working" strategy
The scene with Kevin and his sons saying they will be his brothers now is what had me sobbing.
Me too ❤
I felt the scene where Kerry enters the afterlife could be taken as Kevin trying to comfort himself with his thoughts, rather than literally Kerry moving into some new plain of existing.
I agree. That afterlife scene was in Kevin’s mind. Beautiful scene.
Cool, and I think that the the symbolism of crossing the river styx made it clear that it was not. Either way I don’t think it’s super important, unless you’re an avowed atheist for some reason
Yah Ur 100% right... It was his imagination... Loved that Scene 💔❤
Yeah, that's how I interpreted it... just as Kevin's wish for his brothers, rather than anything that was actually happening.
I thought it was based on Kevin’s experience, he said he had a vision once of all his brothers begging to join him, it legit made him suicidal
Never have I ever left a movie theater crying. This movie did it to me. Sad movie man but a must see
You can still love your father even after he damaged you and your family. We're all human after all.
Yeah, till you realize that family doesn’t mean the same thing to everyone.
Its giving Jackson 5
@UwU-pk6nv Grow up.
Why would you want to after that!!!! That man is getting what’s coming
I finally got to see this today. Even growing up watching the Von Erichs, and knowing their history this was one of the saddest movies I've seen.
In another interview they addressed the issue of Chris not being in the movie. His time in wrestling was limited and it would have been a whole nother story line that they did not have the time for in the movie. The director talked to Kevin about it and he said he totally understood.
I would not have been okay with that personally. Put him in, even if it’s only a few minutes. The movie could’ve been longer if it needed. I’d just be heartbroken if they completely erased one of my siblings. No mention of him whatsoever
@@ukelseleAGREED. That choice was crazy to me. The movie has an average runtime. They should’ve made it happen.
Another reason that Chris was left out of the film, is because the producer felt that a fourth brother dying would have made the movie too sad. Three Von Erichs with untimely deaths were enough for the flow of the movie.
@@megamouthspike1930Too sad?! Oh boo hoo. . . They are taking on a real life story, with a real family, with real tragedies and hardships. What did they expect? Pretending Chris didn't exist and die, is like doing a film on the Hart family; several of the siblings and their in laws are all deceased but they don't include Owen because he was the youngest and his death would make the film "Too depressing". Nope.
You include the whole family or don't bother in my opinion!
@@melissawright1979 You know we're talking about Kevin Von Erich here, right?
If he can delude himself into thinking Fritz wasn't a manipulative, mental abusing jackass then I think he can "understand" about his baby brother not existing for the right price. Living in Hawaii isn't cheap.
What broke me was Mike not being able to play his guitar anymore after the TSS. I cant imagine that as a musician. Heartbreaking, then the cut to him downing the pills just set me off. RIP Jackie, David, Mike, Chris, and Kerry.
That scene with the brothers in heaven.. i dont think ive cried that hard ever watching a film. One of the best movies ive seen in a long time
Same. Exactly that moment. Idk why when they show the “little” older brother. Man I cracked. Tears started rolling and I tried to hide it.
I loved the movie my only knock is not consulting with Kevin since he lived it! Other than that it captured the fundamental story of this iconic wrestling dynasty!
I wonder why he chose not to consult with Kevin? I think he was worried due to Kevin still seemingly worshiping his father he was worried he would not get the true character but a sanitized one. Also, I think the movie actually portrayed his father more positivity than he was.
But Kevin would have said no probably, and then no movie would have been made.
@@freddiegrace3770 but according to Kevin they made his dad mean and he wasn’t that mean and brut in real life
@@freddiegrace3770 I agree with you about Fritz. He expected you to live up to his high standards or you were a failure and I believe his boys took that to heart and they'd rather die than to dissapoint daddy.
The casting of the brothers was terrible. They’re all good actors but they have very small men portraying who are way shorter and a hundred lbs lighter’s playing huge wrestlers which makes no sense. Zac looked more like a wrestler than the other men but they thought he should be extremely tan like Kerry even though Zac was portraying Kevin lol. The Rick Flair guy was just awful. Good movie but extremely inaccurate.
I read another interview that said the portrayal of his father was fair and accurate and didn't villainize him.
Same. Maybe he gave it a rewatch? Read that as well. It's interesting. Happy he was satisfied with the movie as a whole.
There were moments where the Father was pretty damn decent. After one of them is incredibly successful in the wrestling business, he tells the other sons that their excellence and presence is what helped push the the successful son forward. He even says that he is proud of them as well. I forget the other scene, but the move Father handled some other situations with grace and love for his sons.
@@diraskadude no, if you think that father at any point acted well in the film you need to reevaluate the way you interact with people
I finally got to see it last week an it was phenomenal. I'm old enough to remember Kevin & Kerry in their primes during WCCW and it brought back a lot of childhood memories and took me on an emotional roller coaster. Powerful film.
This film had me bawling with tears in the middle of the cinema
I understand the time and storyline complications with the decision on Chris, although I would rather he been added. I also was moved and got the reason they did the afterlife scene the way they did. The boys had always talked about them all being together again after such hardships took them away from each other. The room got real quiet when the scene started and my daughter said she sure hoped God give them their time together. The movie had tragedy for sure, but their love and bond was the best thing.
That is the exact scene that made a 34 yr old grown man (me) cry over a movie... ever!
Ive teared up over some movies or specific scenes over the years but I legit cried when Kerry picked up Jack in the afterlife. What an absolutely BEAUTIFUL scene!!! I know people familiar with the story realize some very important things were left out (like a whole nother brother 😂) but this is an exceptional film!
I watched the Iron Claw and that scene made cry like a baby.
My father was as tough as they come. Growing up I hated him at times, never understood him and thought we were opposite of each other. After I matured I realized everything he done was for my future. Now I'm tough as a night in jail with great work ethic. Been very successful in life and owe my father more than I could ever pay. I love that son of a bitch for way he raised me.
Super good movie. It would have been a powerful scene at the end for the actor playing Kevin to be speaking and for it to fade into the real life Kevin of today talking about his family.
Magical film. Left awestruck after watching it. The acting, the story, the tragedy.....its actually crazy that it all happened.
As a kid watching these guys grow up brought much joy and excitement to our home. Not knowing or realizing the sacrifice this family gave. The Von Erichs are not cursed. The Von Erichs are loved. Thank yall for the memories 👍🏽🤘🏽...🖐...
That scene made us all emotional, and as a huge wrestling fan for decades. I did not like the Ric Flair casting.
VERY VERY sad ordeal with this family. I remember growing up watching them on TV and seeing them wrestle at the old Sportitorium.
Yeah man, that scene where Kerry goes to the afterlife and meets up with his brothers got me. It was a beautiful scene, but also very emotional.
Jeremy was too tiny to play Kerry. Zac should’ve played Kerry.
Matt Riddle would’ve made an excellent Kerry
@ivanrenard3153have you not seen real photos of the brothers? Kerry was 6’2 250lbs Jeremy Allen White was a terrible cast, great actor but not for that role
I want to watch the movie but there are two things that don't sit right with me. One, is leaving Chris out of the movie. His life mattered and it was another tragic hit to the family. And two, Kevin Von Erich should have been consulted throughout the writing and filming of the movie. Thankfully Kevin is still alive and there is no better source of information regarding the Von Erichs than him. He lived it.
Exactly!
Just watch it
God knows if I were making a movie based on real people's lives my first step would be to talk to those said people, if they're still around. It disappoints me that the movie industry will still take such an insensitive approach to these bio flicks.
Agree with you 100 💯 percent! No Family members get left behind. That was a no no to leave a brother out of the picture. But Chris is in heaven and God is with him and his Family. Amen 🙏🌎
Stop it do you want the family dog in the movie Chris wasn't on the level of his other 3 brothers
in the end, as long as kevin is happy then the movie was worth it. can't wait to see it 🤘
The scene that got me was the when Kevin’s sons, say it’s ok dad we will be your brothers
That part with Jack Jr 150% got me! 😭
Those actors are extremely short compared to the Von Erich's
This is true- also, the guy playing Kerry should have been massive.
Ok 🤡
The guy playing Kerry was a joke. Kerry used to pick up and bear hug 400lbs men and did feats of strength. 6ft 3, 270lbs.
When the ring announcer said they weighed a combined weight of 690lbs I burst out laughing.
Hell, even Kevin's wife was taller than Kerry in this film
Glad i’m not the only person who noticed that,kerry was a very large man,6ft 3 & 254Ibs with one of the most impressive physiques ever. Jeremy Allen White was far too small to play him.
@@MrLadiesman216 His portrayal of Kerry was powerful. He really acted like a big dude. Almost forgot he is tiny until he stood next to Zac !
Of course Kevin won’t say anything bad about his dad, he’s always said he loved his dad and his brothers even when his dad said horrible sh1t. Other wrestlers even admitted Fritz was a monster to his own kids.
Kevin may god bless you. This was a super difficult movie to watch as my heart broke for you which each passing of your brothers.
I thought that the film captured the essence of the Von Erich story. I didn't nitpick over the minor inaccuracies in the film as I was watching it. I really liked the depictions of Harley Race and Ric Flair in this film. Honestly, the actors that played these wrestlers did as good of a job as any actor could.
I am so disappointed that they left Chris out of the movie! The majority of viewers knew the story of the Von Erich's before seeing the movie. To leave Chris out was a grave injustice! Chris always wanted to live up to his brothers success and committed suicide because he couldn't follow in their footsteps. Kerry also took Chris death very hard and it definitely attributed to him taking his own life to be with his brothers. The film should have seriously gotten input from Kevin! Not just meet him for a day before the release. This was a huge mistake! The movie was an emotional and revealing revelation but definitely left out so many details and a Family member! Unbelievable! The producer should be ashamed of himself!
exactly. The film is highly overrated and gets way too much wrong to make it passable.
Best to Kevin and Pam and their family! RIP to his brother's, dad and mom.
The ending with Kerry had me teared up. Hard to watch, as I too grew up such a Von Erich fan.
The spiritual elements of the movie,indeed --- the afterlife scene of Stanley Simons,Harris Dicksinson,Jeremy Allen White and baby Jack meeting on the other side is the part were sniffs and tears were the loudest inside AMC. It still makes me tear up whenever I remember that part it's emotionally charged and heavy but I love it. Zac Efron,of course is impeccable!
They were so respectful not reenacting the suicides or deaths. Kerrys was the only one that was shown after the fact but it was more beautifully done in the fact he got to say goodbye and send him off to be with his brothers in the afterlife.
The Von Erichs were Texas Royalty when it came to wrestling. Loved watching them as a kid. \m/
Kevin is a star outside the ring as much as he was inside seems live a very humble man
I went to the cinema last night and watched it and I actually broke down at that scene and also the end scene. Was a great watch
Holt did a great job as Fritz and Harris Dickinson did a great job as David
It’s sad people can’t make movies without over dramatizing stuff especially if it’s suppose to be based on true life or a family stick to real life
They removed one of the brothers who also passed
The only thing that was good about that movie was the fact of how much the brothers loved each other. IMO they ruined the story.
@@dana8567gtfo Dana. that was the whole point. Kevin told Sean the one thing he wanted the movie to show is how much they loved each other 🤦🏻♂️
Tbh the real story is way more dramatic so they did a good job imo
@@yungugh1-689 was it a real brother or the guy they tried to pass off as a brother?
Outstanding film the acting is incredible
That scene got me too
Look forward to seeing movie!😀
That scène got me too! I was crying!
Fritz overbearing streak was way overdone in the film. That was the only flaw I found with it as well, so to hear Kevin say the same thing was very interesting to me.
That heaven scene was 😢❤
Hey guys …..but Chris
I just watched it... Broke my FN heart
I just watched it today and it took me a long time to do so. Growing up here in Texas.. witnessing all the tragedy. But that scene with all the brothers and little Jack, I had to cut the movie off and ugly cry
You can love and hate a person. Most of us are ambivalent in our emotions.
The only thing I absolutely hate about the movie is leaving Chris out !! He was part of the family too and deserves to be mentioned in it too !!
I saw the movie and loved it so much. I was emotional when I saw his brothers commit suicide. Very heartbreaking
This movie was really good and put it up there with The Wrestler as one of the best movies involving pro wrestling.
Sean Durkin you will always be famous
The movie did great all cast did brilliant
fantastic film, zack did a great job
Wished they put the gun store story in the movie. Would've been a great emotional acting scene
I wasn't a fan of small light weight Kerry in this film, complete mis- cast. They should have had Chris in the film and he should have played him, same height and build . Plenty of emotional acting he could have got into with Chris
I wonder why they couldn’t portray Chris just at the end of the movie when Kerry passes like they did Jack?
i watched it last night
kevin is a good dude for not wanting to besmirch his father no matter what
People need to remember there are three types of "TRUE STORIES."
1. True Story. Everything is accurate.
2. Based on a true story. There are some various variations from what really happened, such as time line, locations etc.
And 3. Inspired by a true story. For example, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, inspired by Ed Gien from Wisconsin.
The Iron Claw is BASED on a true story, not everything will be 100% accurate.
It’s abit fucked up that they didn’t asks for Kevin’s permission and his mums to if she was alive, also uneasy about Chris not being in it to
I watched the movie and I wasn't able to get past it. Chris not being there hurts.
It’s a shame Kevin wasn’t consulted during the making of this film, if only for accuracy’s sake.
Great movie wish they atleast aknowledge chris in the movie
Even the undertaker says Fritze was a good man and he only got a shot in that promotion because he looked like David Von Erich who had recently passed away.
How can somebody do a story about your life without your input???
Missed opportunity! Should’ve been a six-part, two-hour episodic TV miniseries devoted to Fritz and the five brothers:
Episode 1: Fritz Von Erich
Episode 2: David Von Erich
Episode 3: Mike Von Erich
Episode 4: Kerry Von Erich
Episode 5: Chris Von Erich
Episode 6: Kevin Von Erich
This would’ve been a perfect structure to tell everyone’s story concisely and thoroughly. Maybe even score some Emmy awards. I should’ve been the director/writer/producer on this project. Missed opportunity, indeed!
Now. That’s a cinematic universe
@@alexmcphee6789 Dude, you and everyone would absolutely love what I would have planned for this kind of project. I think the problem was the medium was all wrong, but my way would’ve been supremely better.
@@AlphachadEpicCollector I agree. It wasn’t till I took it in and thought.
The actor for Fritz. Man he nailed it
David? Fantastic part
Mike? That one was a fantastic choice but with knowing the story I’d rather see Chris be involved as his own person.
Kerry. Surprisingly good I rooted for the guy. Even after seeing the stump scene.
Kevin. God oh God. Poor man, but efron surely played the part out of it
I’m not disagreeing. I’d like to see what you would have done.
Well done
It can still be done..... do it
@@El-ingobernable One day, maybe… 😉
looking forward to Watching This Movie. My 1st since the World turned upside down.
Thanks Covid 19.
And they left out Chris
well you got to have a heel in the movie
I wish I could un see that movie. Thats the saddest thing i've watched. The movie just left me feeling uncomfortable and wasted a perfectly good evening.
How come they didn't put their youngest brother Chris in the movie
Thats the scene where they could have put chris in..
The Von Erich boys Kerry, David and Kevin were big guys and portrayed by little dudes in the movie. Kerry had a real presence and should have been played by an actor the size and look of a Helmsworth brother not a 5'9 actor.
They wanted to go with “great actor first, then focus on the muscle”
I get where you’re coming from though. Knowing how physically imposing they were in real life took me out a couple times seeing his 5’9 stature in the movie
@@DReavesJermey isn’t even 5’9. All of them were too small for the roles they played. But there acting made up for it
@@craigludomus627 you’re right, he’s actually 5’7”. & yeah I agree.
Great ass movie
But they left Chris out completely! That was wrong! People will still leave thinking Fritz was a monster. Total disrespect of the family. Total disrespect to the memory of them all!
the director explained why and even talked with Kevin about it and he agreed that it was best. Plus Kevin said he loved the movie. If he did i dont really see why some have such an issue with it.
Perhaps in a lot of ways, the old man was a monster.
@@Tbone.357I’m sure he was a bit of both…
They mysteriously left out little brother Chris !
No mystery the writer felt Chris's death was too repetitive and it weighed the movie down. He was the wrong guy to ever make this movie. He doesn't care about these men for who they were, beautiful souls dedicated to each other, the craft of professional wrestling, and desperately trying to do what most everyone is trying to do: make their parents proud. He cares about the spectacle and tragedy of their deaths, but not really them. He cared about writing a good simple story with a simple villain. That's why Fritz as a man was simplified to fit a good character in a story.
It's funny how people forget that it's a movie and they act like they personally knew the family. That's what is wrong with society today...😂
Really great movie…but my god you couldn’t have found a worse actor for Ric Flair! None of the charisma or mannerisms were down (then again, Flair is a one of a kind at that anyway) and the guy couldn’t wrestle worth a crap (what little he was shown on screen anyway)
They definitely should have hired current or former wrestlers for those type of scenes, like they did with 2 specific matches (one is a blink and you missed it cameo!)
They couldn’t have gotten a better Ric Flair???? I mean Harley Race was right on the money but Ric Flair?? The guy that played him couldn’t even whooo correctly.. WTF!?
The casting was terrible. When you need a guy to portray a 6’2 260 lb muscle bound wrestler by all means hire 5’6 150 lb Jeremy Allen White lol. When you need someone to play a 6’8 250 lb wrestler hire a guy that’s 8 inches shorter and a hundred lbs lighter. Also, that Ric Flair guy ??? 😂
0:47..why are they look so pissed off?
The only thing I didn’t like is the casting for Ric Flair! 😂
Oh God, he was horrible!! I truly believe that actor had no clue who Ric Flair is.
@@Mario_Gillette Yeah. You could tell he wasn’t a fan of wrestling. He just looked at a couple of clips of Ric Flair and said “I got it” and just did what he thought was ok for the film when it wasn’t an actual depiction of Flair.
The kid who played Kerry was way tiny!! I mean Kerry was over 200 pounds!! LOL
Kerry was 6'2" and Jeremy is 5'7". He looked so little in the ring. BUT he did have the mannerisms to pull it off.
i know the true story so verysaid i saw kerry kill him self the movie is great kevinafter watching i do not know what is real alot of unanswered question that Kevin could answere
Kerry never had that weak of a jaw as this guy did.
Whether Fritz was a good man or not, is not for me to decide. What I do know for sure is that this family had a tremendous bad string of luck. For everything they gave the world, they lost ten fold.
Why did they hire little people to play the Von Erichs? Why did they leave one of the brothers out? Why wasn't Kevin involved in the movie and profit from it. Seems like the director and producers screwed the Von Erichs and the fans.
I started watching the movie and had to stop because within the first few minutes Fritz was portrayed as a p.o.s. That’s not how I want to remember the Von Erich Family.
Fritz von Erich was bad guy and how he treated his boys and ran the business... Look at videos compilations from other wrestlers about Fritz. You will not get the truth from Kevin.
Kevin knows the truth. You don't
Typical Hollywood. We have all the resources on earth to make an accurate movie, we have actual living people that can attest to the events/people. But we’re not going to do it.
Ok if you’re making a movie about real life people and some are alive you kids/grandkids etc they need to be apart of the making and be in the movies as cameos.
Casting except for Kerry’s role was great, leaving out Chris was a shitty move, and this is more of a artistic portrayal which imo is inappropriate and left a lot of room for inaccuracy,
He should’ve talked to Kevin while making it. Just out of respect.
Pretty shitty no one told Kevin about the movie till it came out.
Bbhhh