I'm not buying that Oz was too traumatised to warn his guys of the bomb, Oz's only priority outside of Francis is saving himself in any given situation, and he does it without an ounce of guilt. Also, I'm probably in the minority here, but I actually hope that Batman doesn't make an appearance in this show because I wouldn't want him robbing these characters' thunder in any way.
This was absolutely not filler. For my money, the word "Filler" gets misused in regard to American series a lot. Beyond old live television when stations would literally air live cams of fish bowls to fill the air, the current use of the term comes from Anime where the series would outpace the manga which necessitated the creation whole arcs to air until the manga had made some distance. These arcs, because of their purpose, couldn't contain any character changes at all and could not move the story forward in any way. As it was made by people who weren't creating the manga they also couldn't delve into characters backstories to flesh them out. Serialized television became this weird evolution of episodic television where a small block of episodes exist entirely outside of continuity. This episode of The Penguin has almost none of those markers. We learned a ton about Oz and Francis in this. This episode revealing what happened to Jack and Benny is literally the one I've been waiting for since they first mentioned he had brothers. How could the episode where Sal and Oz finally battle, and Sal meets his fate, be filler? No way.
It was definitely intentional; it just wasn't pre-meditated. An act of an emotional angry outburst in the moment... but he knew what closing the hatch and NOT informing anyone or going back to open it, would result in. Looking out of the window at the heavy rain highlighted that he was aware of it ending badly for his brothers.
@JohnRochaSays I agree with you. After the bomb went off that would trigger Batman. Bliss is still new and it doesn’t seem to be killing anyone. I don’t think Batman‘s gonna get involved in a turf war over who’s going to control the family. But the bomb he would. Possible ending, the police commissioner is mad at Oz tells Gordon to investigate. The show ends with Oz on top. You hear the Batman theme one of his boys tell him to come outside and look up and you see the bat signal and end credits. That way he’s not in the show, but he’s in the show.
To break the cycle often means letting go of revenge. The Rocha's right. That was the lesson on last week's SUPERMAN AND LOIS, breaking the cycle of intergenerational pain by letting go of (perceived) wrongs and the need for revenge.
Hey Rocha and gang do you think Rex Calabrese is actually Oz’s dad and that’s why he’s both drawn to him but also has those cut throat tendencies that the other 2 didn’t. They have brown hair while Oz has the sleek black hair which we also see with Rex and his mane. Also Oz says he never knew his father and Rex and their mom have to be close for this gangster to trust this woman with his books and handling them.
Mike summed up that family dynamic nicely that's exactly how I saw it as well. I think it's there to show don't think that this guy's heart can be softened by any character it doesn't matter unless it's Mom. Even now she asked him to kill her. Don't think he has the stones to do it but he's definitely orchestrating it.
Gotham really is in dire straits if Julian Rush was able to keep his license as a psychiatrist, he seemed way too excited to “take care” of Gia for Sofia. I think Sofia should be much more wary about Julian because he seems like someone who is too eager to please her.
The ultimate revenge Sophia could deliver to Oz is Frances. The hypnotherapy takes Frances back to that morning worrying about Jack and Benny and why they let Oz walk home alone and questions she dare not ask causes Rush and Sophia to deduce the truth that Oz, somehow, killed his brothers ... ... and reveal it to Frances! 😱😱😱 But instead being blunt, Rush accuses Oz, needling Frances with accusatory questions about Oz that night while Sophia comes to his defense saying it might have been an accident and Oz was too scared to tell his ma. So when Oz and Frances reunited, she's flooded with suspicions and pelts Oz with questions he can't answer until Frances concludes he is guilty of murdering her boys and just starts slapping him for his nondenials. At which point Sophia says Italy would be nice this time of year and walks leaving the squabbling Cobbs behind her as her car pulls up and a guard opens the door for her and gets in afterwards as she tells the driver to the airport. Then she realizes the driver is Vic, who head shots the guard, locks the door and say she's going on a slight detour and drives off. 😱🤣😱🤣😱🤣
I agree with Shannon, I don’t think Oz meant to kill his brothers but by the time he realized it was too late he would not come clean about it. A true scumbag
After THAT scene, I genuinely think that Deirdre O'Connell (as Francis) is doing the best acting on the show. Having to perform so brilliantly the different facets of her character (one of them being that of dementia) is just amazing.
@@JohnRochaSays I think if he just abandons the whole thing we're at net neutral. Cause our two stances are he becomes good or stays bad. So him just going fuck this I'm out is a net neutral response but if you wanna take ti for a win I'll accept that too.
Idk why, but I knew it was a bomb right away🤷 I'm so excited for next week's episode. I'm glad this whole episode wasn't a flashback. They cut it off at the perfect time.
You guys all have good takes, gotta get better about waiting to comment as opposed to along the way. You guys got a lot of the same points. Bummed it took me this long to find you guys.
loved this series . and im not a dc or batman fan. its ust been a great crime show . want o say a huge thanks to all the community this last 6 motnhs . from reel, to kristian , to winston ,cine files and most of all to john and the geeks cine palks and all . ive neveer had a such a good year of entertainment in my life. its really blown my mind my genres and mediums wide open. im a loss for words and tears. n thats a good thing
Rocha actually I don't think Oz was getting mad at Vic forming a connection with his Ma. If you're talking bout the scene where he was saying "Jacky went to pay the electric bill" when she was having an episode and she got SUPER happy cause her dependable son Jack was gonna take care of em... giving that love to one of the brothers and that's what Oz was mad at. He wants all that love.
Being analytical about this show now because not everything is hitting, but still liking it more than not. It was nice to see that Rex wasn't as big as Oz had built him up to be and I think as people we do that a lot. Even sometimes undervaluing someone's position. Cool commentary.
This show makes me realize how much of a nut job Batman is in this world.. it’s a bunch of gangsters and thugs and there’s this guy who comes outside at night dressed like a Bat, beating the hell outta ppl. This is the Batman Lucious Fox( Morgan Freeman) was talking to the accountant about who wanted hush money
Agree with Michael too it was a little underwhelming, but I think their "finale" a lot of it will carry over to the Batman 2. Plus that scene with Victor didn't even ask if he was okay wasn't concerned about him just where's Mama, the little boy that never grew up.
I love the actor that plays Victor…but no I don’t think or want him to be Red Hood specifically. Not because of race or anything like that. Red Hood is a big, intimidating guy and Victor isn’t which is not a slight against the character or actor. I’d be fine if he hypothetically became a different Robin but no for Red Hood
Overall a good episide, but i did feel like the reveal that it was a bomb in the trunk and not oswald's mother a bit of a fake out. I think it would have been more poetic if the mother was in the trunk, like how Sophia found her brother..
Why do people just assume Batman has to show up because shit blew up or is going bad. We have ZERO evidence he's even in the city and not on a mountain training with ninjas, that's just as plausible as him just sitting around the batcave after all the trauma he just endured with the riddler. Such narrow thinking.
Yes, we're all narrow thinking that a hero in a comic book show would show up when something massive happens in his city. Stupid us. I swear, some of y'all need to get your opinions stroked so hard.
It's been a pretty great show, but I'm also worried about them sticking the landing. Too often the 8 episode season has left audiences hanging or feeling rushed.
Could you consider a tribute to Kevin Conroy as Batman? Nov 10th marks 2nd anniversary of his death. He and Mark Hamill as Joker were amazing. I made a tribute to him using the classic 90's toys with footage from Burton, Nolan, Arkham and Injustice but I don't got ur reach, and he deserves much bigger tribute
This show makes me realize how much of a nut job Batman is in this world.. it’s a bunch of gangsters and thugs and there’s this guy who comes outside at night dressed like a Bat, beating the hell outta ppl. This is the Batman Lucious Fox( Morgan Freeman) was talking to the accountant about who wanted hush money
Maroni did take pills in blackgate ep 5
The way salvatores head kept moving as oz shot his corpse was wild.
I'm not buying that Oz was too traumatised to warn his guys of the bomb, Oz's only priority outside of Francis is saving himself in any given situation, and he does it without an ounce of guilt. Also, I'm probably in the minority here, but I actually hope that Batman doesn't make an appearance in this show because I wouldn't want him robbing these characters' thunder in any way.
This was absolutely not filler. For my money, the word "Filler" gets misused in regard to American series a lot. Beyond old live television when stations would literally air live cams of fish bowls to fill the air, the current use of the term comes from Anime where the series would outpace the manga which necessitated the creation whole arcs to air until the manga had made some distance. These arcs, because of their purpose, couldn't contain any character changes at all and could not move the story forward in any way. As it was made by people who weren't creating the manga they also couldn't delve into characters backstories to flesh them out. Serialized television became this weird evolution of episodic television where a small block of episodes exist entirely outside of continuity.
This episode of The Penguin has almost none of those markers. We learned a ton about Oz and Francis in this. This episode revealing what happened to Jack and Benny is literally the one I've been waiting for since they first mentioned he had brothers. How could the episode where Sal and Oz finally battle, and Sal meets his fate, be filler? No way.
Oz is gonna make Monroe’s the new iceberg lounge
I really liked Michael distinguishing Batman's Rogue Gallery from regular crime families, tying it to Arkham.
It was definitely intentional; it just wasn't pre-meditated. An act of an emotional angry outburst in the moment... but he knew what closing the hatch and NOT informing anyone or going back to open it, would result in. Looking out of the window at the heavy rain highlighted that he was aware of it ending badly for his brothers.
Repeating a trunk scene would have been lame. We had that already.
Can I just say, the reaction from both Shannon and Michael regarding the golf clubs was excellent!!!
@JohnRochaSays I agree with you. After the bomb went off that would trigger Batman. Bliss is still new and it doesn’t seem to be killing anyone. I don’t think Batman‘s gonna get involved in a turf war over who’s going to control the family. But the bomb he would. Possible ending, the police commissioner is mad at Oz tells Gordon to investigate. The show ends with Oz on top. You hear the Batman theme one of his boys tell him to come outside and look up and you see the bat signal and end credits. That way he’s not in the show, but he’s in the show.
Yep, that reveal of what happened to Oz's brothers....😮
19:31 I love the vagueness of his motivations
Batman would probably investigate, but he ain't coming to the bomb site until dark, and Oz, and therefore we, will be long gone by then.
Rocha’s lighting got him looking like Nora Fries 🥶😛
Save me!
With Penguin and Agatha ending it's bittersweet because I know it will be sometime before the guys recap and review another Geek show.
Arcane will b out this Friday ❤
Arcane and What IF will keep it going… all is not lost.
Shannon I am totally with you re Theo Rossi 😂
To break the cycle often means letting go of revenge. The Rocha's right. That was the lesson on last week's SUPERMAN AND LOIS, breaking the cycle of intergenerational pain by letting go of (perceived) wrongs and the need for revenge.
Ain't no way Batman won't be involved next episode right? After that bombing?? There's gotta be some kind of surprise cameo kept under wraps
Hey Rocha and gang do you think Rex Calabrese is actually Oz’s dad and that’s why he’s both drawn to him but also has those cut throat tendencies that the other 2 didn’t. They have brown hair while Oz has the sleek black hair which we also see with Rex and his mane. Also Oz says he never knew his father and Rex and their mom have to be close for this gangster to trust this woman with his books and handling them.
Yeah. I've been saying that for a few weeks now.
Oz’s middle child syndrome is serious
I love the Breakdown you Gentlemen do
Mike summed up that family dynamic nicely that's exactly how I saw it as well. I think it's there to show don't think that this guy's heart can be softened by any character it doesn't matter unless it's Mom. Even now she asked him to kill her. Don't think he has the stones to do it but he's definitely orchestrating it.
Gotham really is in dire straits if Julian Rush was able to keep his license as a psychiatrist, he seemed way too excited to “take care” of Gia for Sofia. I think Sofia should be much more wary about Julian because he seems like someone who is too eager to please her.
The ultimate revenge Sophia could deliver to Oz is Frances. The hypnotherapy takes Frances back to that morning worrying about Jack and Benny and why they let Oz walk home alone and questions she dare not ask causes Rush and Sophia to deduce the truth that Oz, somehow, killed his brothers ...
... and reveal it to Frances! 😱😱😱
But instead being blunt, Rush accuses Oz, needling Frances with accusatory questions about Oz that night while Sophia comes to his defense saying it might have been an accident and Oz was too scared to tell his ma.
So when Oz and Frances reunited, she's flooded with suspicions and pelts Oz with questions he can't answer until Frances concludes he is guilty of murdering her boys and just starts slapping him for his nondenials.
At which point Sophia says Italy would be nice this time of year and walks leaving the squabbling Cobbs behind her as her car pulls up and a guard opens the door for her and gets in afterwards as she tells the driver to the airport.
Then she realizes the driver is Vic, who head shots the guard, locks the door and say she's going on a slight detour and drives off. 😱🤣😱🤣😱🤣
I agree with Shannon, I don’t think Oz meant to kill his brothers but by the time he realized it was too late he would not come clean about it. A true scumbag
He didn’t mind them NOT being there either
After THAT scene, I genuinely think that Deirdre O'Connell (as Francis) is doing the best acting on the show. Having to perform so brilliantly the different facets of her character (one of them being that of dementia) is just amazing.
So no one ever knew what happened to Oswalds brother correct? No bodies found? I'd love for the remains to be found in the aftermath of the explosion.
"People are complicated."😂😂😂😂
I stand by Vic is gonna show up having Oz's back! Got a big plate of crow for one of us next week John haha!
Wait….the crow is if he becomes a criminal not showing up to help his friend defeat other criminals.
@@JohnRochaSays I think if he just abandons the whole thing we're at net neutral. Cause our two stances are he becomes good or stays bad. So him just going fuck this I'm out is a net neutral response but if you wanna take ti for a win I'll accept that too.
Idk why, but I knew it was a bomb right away🤷
I'm so excited for next week's episode.
I'm glad this whole episode wasn't a flashback. They cut it off at the perfect time.
You guys all have good takes, gotta get better about waiting to comment as opposed to along the way. You guys got a lot of the same points. Bummed it took me this long to find you guys.
Plus they show you that jar outside the window full of water from the rain, at that point he knew what was about to happen.
Bruh…i been subscribed since wandavision reviews yo 👍🏽🤘🏽
Looking forward to this one ☝🏻
loved this series . and im not a dc or batman fan. its ust been a great crime show . want o say a huge thanks to all the community this last 6 motnhs . from reel, to kristian , to winston ,cine files and most of all to john and the geeks cine palks and all . ive neveer had a such a good year of entertainment in my life. its really blown my mind my genres and mediums wide open. im a loss for words and tears. n thats a good thing
You all are awesome, can't wait for the finale!
Nevermind Penguin Osward went full Cuckoo in this episide, to get his mothers attention!
10:41 amen
This is my joint second favourite episode of the show, along with ep.4. The first episode is still the best imo.
Rocha actually I don't think Oz was getting mad at Vic forming a connection with his Ma. If you're talking bout the scene where he was saying "Jacky went to pay the electric bill" when she was having an episode and she got SUPER happy cause her dependable son Jack was gonna take care of em... giving that love to one of the brothers and that's what Oz was mad at. He wants all that love.
i kinda saw the same thing with Oz possibly being jealous of Vic... only time will tell.
The Penguin rises ... coming up the sewer ladder.
Calm? …. Before the storm?
40:47 he was taking pills
ROCHA! The older brother was out of line and knew what he was doing. yeezus.
@@Quandryification Sure, bud. Boop. 🫵🏽
God damn great show bros…penguin is better than the Batman movie
Being analytical about this show now because not everything is hitting, but still liking it more than not. It was nice to see that Rex wasn't as big as Oz had built him up to be and I think as people we do that a lot. Even sometimes undervaluing someone's position. Cool commentary.
This show makes me realize how much of a nut job Batman is in this world.. it’s a bunch of gangsters and thugs and there’s this guy who comes outside at night dressed like a Bat, beating the hell outta ppl. This is the Batman Lucious Fox( Morgan Freeman) was talking to the accountant about who wanted hush money
Agree with Michael too it was a little underwhelming, but I think their "finale" a lot of it will carry over to the Batman 2. Plus that scene with Victor didn't even ask if he was okay wasn't concerned about him just where's Mama, the little boy that never grew up.
I love the actor that plays Victor…but no I don’t think or want him to be Red Hood specifically. Not because of race or anything like that. Red Hood is a big, intimidating guy and Victor isn’t which is not a slight against the character or actor. I’d be fine if he hypothetically became a different Robin but no for Red Hood
Overall a good episide, but i did feel like the reveal that it was a bomb in the trunk and not oswald's mother a bit of a fake out. I think it would have been more poetic if the mother was in the trunk, like how Sophia found her brother..
Lets see what they do with her next episode first. It may became much more brutal, imagine she figures out he killed his brothers.
Why do people just assume Batman has to show up because shit blew up or is going bad. We have ZERO evidence he's even in the city and not on a mountain training with ninjas, that's just as plausible as him just sitting around the batcave after all the trauma he just endured with the riddler. Such narrow thinking.
Yes, we're all narrow thinking that a hero in a comic book show would show up when something massive happens in his city. Stupid us. I swear, some of y'all need to get your opinions stroked so hard.
It's been a pretty great show, but I'm also worried about them sticking the landing. Too often the 8 episode season has left audiences hanging or feeling rushed.
Could you consider a tribute to Kevin Conroy as Batman? Nov 10th marks 2nd anniversary of his death. He and Mark Hamill as Joker were amazing. I made a tribute to him using the classic 90's toys with footage from Burton, Nolan, Arkham and Injustice but I don't got ur reach, and he deserves much bigger tribute
Weakest episodes by far..i was ok with it but we all saw the bomb coming and oz should've known it too
This show makes me realize how much of a nut job Batman is in this world.. it’s a bunch of gangsters and thugs and there’s this guy who comes outside at night dressed like a Bat, beating the hell outta ppl. This is the Batman Lucious Fox( Morgan Freeman) was talking to the accountant about who wanted hush money