ESFP here. John is constantly using Se to gather facts from the group. Michael is soaking in all the info from the group with his Ni. Sheila is soaking in her own Fi feelings while with the group. And Kaci is using her Te to teach the group.
I love watching the expressions towards the end of John and Michael! I was having the same expressions as both of them as an INTJ! They get anxiety and feel freedom for opposite reasons! For myself, I don't get anxiety thinking about the future, because the future has not happened yet. I get anxiety about the present and what is happening. John and Sheila both said they get anxiety thinking about the future and want to focus on the present because the future has not happened yet and may not happen. I worked with an ESFP closely when we were managers and we would both say "You think too much" when one of us was getting anxiety about something. I had both the greatest and worst experiences working with them and learned more about myself and others than any other point in my life.
As an INTJ I found John particularly interesting. I found it funny he seemed intimidated by INTJ intelligence at first, because I find his physicality pretty intimidating. Michael’s description of Ni is pretty good too. I’d describe it as dissecting the world into parts and then seeing what parts it has in common with other things, and how the elements of everything relate to the elements of everything else. It’s a process of breaking everything down and then putting them back together. I found it particularly useful studying STEM subjects in school. One of the most satisfying things for Ni is seeing all the pieces fall into place.
One thing I noticed about the part where Sheila was expressing her Fi which I think is common in Fi doms who were raised to feel like their emotions were unacceptable or burdens to others. There’s a sort of shame associated with that so they internalize emotions and feel uncomfortable as if they’re inconveniencing others. So the emotions get folded inwards
So many insights. I actually enjoy using my Se (INTJ 33). I like going out to festivals and big parties (not clubs really, but I’ll go if the music is right). I really enjoy the vibe and excitement when the company is right. Ni just eats up the experiences and post processes like crazy. I agree with Joyce’s theory. My Ni allows my Se to “play” and not interrupt (allows it to collect) and this really brings balance. Like a hermit that likes to party on the full moon.
TFW nope, I’ve learned to prepare for a fun time and pull out ESFP subconscious every blue moon. The “ESFP ride” doesn’t last long and a little alcohol is usually in the mix, but you can actually try and use all 4 sides of the mind.
As an INTJ, people wouldn’t think of us in the ‘Helping Professions’ but I’ve been in that kind of field my whole life and love it. I will say my tolerance for nonsense gets low when systems and people using those systems are dumb and keep me from getting my job done to help someone. Also, each type is sooooo their type just looking at each of them it’s like physicality/appearance/brooding faces and all 😉 Edit: for Michael when describing Ni Dom, it’s like Sherlock’s🕵🏽♀️ Mind Palace. We are *always* extrapolating from one thing to the next and it’s a spiderweb 🕸 of letting the mind drift into pure awareness on a level that is hard to sense in a reality sort of way. Gammas For LIFE!!!!
It is funny how true it is that opposite types often have a “crush” on each other. As an INTJ I can definitely relate to the dynamic between Michael and John. Deep down I am scared about what sort of trouble I could get into with an Se dominant type because I know I would like it 😬
Ni is so difficult to describe. I think of Ni as a second set of eyes. First you have the eyes that see the real world. The second set is behind the first and they look like a blank grey canvas. As you experience senses/images/ideas your grey canvas pulls up every sense/image/idea that relates or could be partly related to your current idea/sense/experience in real time. Which is why I find it impossible to stay grounded in the real world and why we are so spacey. The key/goal/ultimate pleasure is to take those patterns and put them into a sequence. We do this unconsciously and consciously. And once the sequence is set we extrovert it. What other people see is the final sequence. It differs from Ne in my opinion in that the patterns in your second sight are like a funnel spider web instead of an expansive web. So like-It can pull together seemingly random ideas from memories, sensations, ideas...and pull them all together into several thousands of patterns but it is compact and limited to the internal framework of the web. And the drawback of this style of web is that we often have to wait for flies to stumble upon us...and there are less of them. But at the core of the web is a giant beautiful spider or epiphany about the pattern...that is likely vague and unclear compared to a prism hahaha! Love these videos :)
I think it was Sheila who said it, but there really is a homey feel about being in the company of people preferring the same functions you use! I loved watching this! Great work facilitating another success, Joyce!
I'm interested in knowing what happens when you're not living in your dominant function/out of alignment with yourself because your true nature was heavily rebuked as a young person. You seem to have found healthy versions of each type. For many years I typed as an INFP then INFJ. As I've matured and now understand myself better and respecting my needs - I realize that I'm an ENTJ (through your videos). For many years, I just wanted to be accepted. Doing things my way in my personal/familial life wasn't working so I tried to conform and suffered greatly because of it. I kept getting poor results. I thought I was a bad person and stupid. I resented my family for a long time for not being accepting and patient. I'd love to see people on here who can discuss their growth - like what John was doing in the video. I think it's wonderful how much he's grown and that he is comfortable sharing that.
I would love to know more about this too. I never typed when I was younger but I know people who knew me would not consider me to be an ENFP or ESFP. I just wanted stay out the way and not be made fun of.
I would love to know more about this too. I never typed when I was younger but I know people who knew me would not consider me to be an ENFP or ESFP. I just wanted stay out the way and not be made fun of.
I relate to you so much!! I had a traumatic upbringing and grew up in a dysfunctional place with dysfunctional people and i did not have the opportunity to grow into my real personality. I had to adapt in order to survive, and to realise that I had to step into a personality that was not who I truly am. I tested as INFP and INFJ but i doubt they're accurate. The more I watch Joyce's videos the more I realise I might be some EXXP type, but I do relate to INTJs heavily. Still figuring it out.
45:57 when Kcie pointed out that INTJs not moving a lot when they are focused is because INTJs Se inferior takes away from Ni line of thoughts, so they instinctively stop the Se movement to direct all of the energy to Ni so they can see the fastest and easiest way to a point, in short its like a sniper holding his/her breath to increase stability so they can hit the target accurately. that is one way of knowing if someone is an Ne or Ni user, if they care more about accuracy then most likely they are an Ni user, but if they come up with so many possibility's then they are most likely a Ne user.
Wow. Can't believe there's a video like this. As an INTJ, I find I have a lot in common with my gamma quadrant compatriots. I tend to like them a lot. I find them interesting.
@@JoyceMeng22 these are great videos, Joyce. Something the typology community definitely needed. You clearly know your stuff. And your video ideas are well-considered and well-executed. You're an excellent host as well. You keep things running smoothly, ask good questions, and draw a lot out of the participants
When Sheila talks around the 17th minute, I think you can see where her "Te" effort goes, she is talking about the common goal(s) of the company, she doesn't say things like meeting demands, profits, making sales. She says something like keeping everyone working fluently. I think one can deduce, her "Te's" priority is make sure everyone's "Fi" is as much as possible unirritated. I think from an "Fi" dom or saviour perspective, they find reason from their "Fi" comfortability/interest/tolerance etc. If they are happy they find reason to continue. Which is useful in some cases. I think that could be one of the reasons/ways they are likeable by their compatriots or employees. Everyone's "Fi"/personal harmony or comfort is their priority, if they are placed in a position of responsibility I guess.
It would be interesting to see Fi Ne Si Te group (INFP, ENFP, ISTJ, ESTJ). It is actually hard for me to see these types getting along well especially INFP and ISTJ, so it would be very insightful to see how it works and other people's experiences;)
I noticed that Joyce has to Fe thank every individual person for each contribution. As an Fi user it is funny to watch. I relate with all of them to some degree, but mostly Michael as a fellow INTJ
Haha, my therapist is an ENTJ woman... she's awesome. We think very differently but I find that is helpful for me in a therapy context. She always gives me a different way of looking at things!
It was interesting to see how anxious auxiliary and tertiary Se,Fi,Ni,Te became when was their turn to speak about these functions in contrast with how energized and powerful they seemed speaking about they dominant and second functions.. especially with Sheila, she was not comfortable at the begining but in the end she bloomed like a flower, talking about Se.. it was amazing to see where her strength is 🙂 This video was a really good idea Joyce. I think people can learn a lot from it. I am certainly going to watch it multiple times 😁. I am looking forward to more videos like this ❤️ thank you
Another great interview! So fun to see how the cognitive functions come out differently in different positions! This was extremely helpful! I look forward to watching one with my functions too :D
It's so interesting, it seems like every time one of the guys starts talking the other one jumps in and it's usually about N and S. The same thing happens with the ladies with T and F. It's like we're all fascinated/obsessed with our dominant and inferior function
Not surprising, because your dominant function comes natural to you, while your inferior function is the most glaring one because it's the one that causes problems. It seems people tend to be more private about their tertiary functions.
12:10 I (an ESFP) LOVE my ESTJ therapist. So darn useful having the other perspective than what I’m used to using. I actually prefer thinkers in that role, as they are more likely to be helpful rather than feeling sorry for me. An over-generalization, I know. But feelers play other great roles in my life.
Love that comment from the entj about counseling. I didn't personally want to go into counseling cuz I didn't want to talk to people about their feelings one-on-one. But I get it. Searching for the outcome. I went into population based interventions. Trying to create different environments or circumstances for people to have better outcomes psychologically (for example, you have a high obesity rate somewhere.. create work out opportunities, in public space parks....).
Joyce, I’ve been bingeing these Type Talks for the last 3 - 4 days, ever since RUclips recommended the first one to me! They’re so fascinating...I love me a good ol’ BRAIN PICK. ✨🧠✨ It’s cool how you’re able to find individuals who aren’t typical of their own type, so we’re able to see how human potential can bloom, when preparation meets opportunity.
So nice to hear that you're bingeing Type Talks, @Mo Poppins!! :) I love picking the minds of different personality types. Thank you for enjoying my content. Yes, I try to represent the spectrum of a type to show how much a certain type can grow. 🌱
Totally binge watching the whole series of these videos of opposite types. I just finished watching the videos on the stacks of Fe Si Ne Ti also, Te Si Ne Fi, and now this video. 27:19 This ice breaker moment of all these types is my favorite moment lol So fascinating how each function operates on the stack levels. These videos are wonderful Joyce! 👏👏👏
I love this so much, LOL i love intj slipping into his death stare. LOL i love intj's, they're very weird and like aliens put in a human body to me, they're kind of like a challenge for me, they are exciting and like john said they help bring you down, to focus and concentrate on one thing which is hard for me to do lol. (esfp) i can totally relate to how esfp is acting here, i can see when he gets a little bored and distracted with his thoughts at times or ansy, and how impulsive we are naturally, not much planned ahead thinking, just see and respond. Lol. Intj naturally just hides himself and becomes invisible at times to where you forget he's there for a moment (kinda sneeky no? lol) But no chance of ESFP hiding.
This is one of the best MBTI videos I've watched. It's very helpful to hear everyone's different type interact. Thanks INFJ for coordinating and making it happen!
Gamma quadra represent! Also when speaking on the inferior function shining because the dominant function gives it permission I have found that when I use Se IN SERVICE of my Ni is when I can force Se as accurately as possible. So I have found having the inferior function operate in service of the dominant function is the best modus operandi.
I’m was right there at the beginning with Michael clueless. “I don’t know what to say” Where exactly was that question/statement going? Was that a complaint or complement? Most importantly do I need to respond? Ni is busy with Te right now and unable to ascertain Fi’s exact locate so Se can answer your question. Fi has serious antisocial issues and in fact hides from me on a regular basis. So is neutral an appropriate response. 😶
wow, stumbled upon this video and so glad i did. i really enjoyed seeing the ways that ppl relate to their more inferior functions, whereas other people are more dominant in certain functions. i noticed how "calm," the ENTJ seemed.. wonder if it's from inferior Fi.
So great to hear from you, Monique! :) Yes! Kaci has such a zen demeanour and I love that about her. Her objective nature makes her an amazing moderator of Meghan's Facebook group.
@@JoyceMeng22 that Te coming in handy :") i also loved the vulnerability from the ISFP - her Fi shining through and seeing the ways that everyone responded to it!
I like how people are trying to describe NI. So I will too. The visual I would use is many many (seemingly infinite) threads of all different colors/textures (all of our conscious and unconscious input) being woven through this enormous loom. They are woven into an intricate pattern. Within that pattern is a message about the future. Intjs look at that woven pattern and find answers. Usually we find them almost instantly. Sometimes we need to wait for that loom to weave more to see the full answer. (Those are the times we are staring off into space...just watching the weaving of answers.)
Joyce - thank you for hosting these videos! And thank you Kaci, John, Michael and Sheila for sharing yourselves on video I'm just wondering what's the EP/IP equivalent of the IJ/EJ- planning in order to be flexible in the moment e.g. Ni plans/control in order to deal with current chaos/incoming data/situations? Would EPs be something like- chaos/freedom in the moment...and then i can work on plans/figure out what to control/plan?
I think it's like... Working out what your priorities are/having a really thorough internal framework (either logical or ethical) so that you can respond best to any given situation. Like... Planning too much/stocking rigidly to a plan would take away my ability to react appropriately to random events in a way that is in line with my internal framework. Idk if that makes sense
question as an intj for an intj - how do you get comfortable with your idle stare?? it's not like i can help it, but people point it out all the time and it gets me self conscious (which makes the stare even worse :D )
Omg at 31:00 ish mark when Michael talked about Ni meta commentary!! 🤯 I thought everyone did that! Well that definitely cements for me that I'm an SP rather than NP.
most of life cant be planed / controlled and it drives me nuts like my mind always wants to know whats going to happen down to fine details, but then if i am tossed in to chaos i make it all happen and it works out its like another function takes over, the constant way my mind wants to have everything processed before it happens drives me crazy but i cant seem to stop doing it.
Opposites attract. It's a 'cliche' but it is still true. I've dated a couple of girls who I would now think were ESFPs. I found them attractive and interesting, but after a while I realized that I could never have a long term relationship with them and certainly couldn't stand to live with one. :) They are just too 'out there' for me. My wife is likely an ENTJ, but I'm no expert so I'm not sure. Sometimes I think she's maybe an INFJ. Either way, we have a lot in common except that she's more outgoing and more interested in other people and their feelings than I am. We get along a lot better than I think I would with an ESFP. I was a really serious, very introverted person as a kid. I didn't loosen up at all until I was in college. I had a few guys in my fraternity (that my mom actually talked me into joining in hopes that they'd help me avoid being a hermit in college :)) who may have been ESFPs, they were especially extroverts for sure, who kinda dragged me out of my shell at times. I could have learned almost all of the academic stuff that my major was about by myself without college really. The most valuable thing I got out of college was learning to get along with different people and to explore other ways of living besides the ones was around as a kid. I know what Michael means by being 'assaulted' by light and noise and such. I love music a lot, but I have a low tolerance for high volume, high brightness, big crowds etc. I rarely go to concerts. When I do, I'm actually happy to find that my ticket puts me way in the back as far from the source of the noise and on the farthest edge of the crowd as possible. Sometimes, I even wear light sunglasses and/or ear plugs at concerts to dull the impact of them a bit. I've been to concerts with people who were disappointed that they weren't closer to the stage and ask if I want to go with them to try to get close, while I'm like "Nope, I'm good, I can hear the band from here." I prefer to listen to music through headphones at home. I'm left handed too for most things. What's odd is that I'm right handed when it comes to using scissors. Probably because there were never any left handed or ambidextrous scissors around when I was a kid, so I never had any practice with scissors cutting with my left hand. But when it comes to using things that can be used with my left hand, I almost always use them that way. Like when it comes to eating, I hold the knife with my left hand to cut food, then put the knife down and switch the fork from my right hand that was holding the food still to be cut, to my left hand to eat what I've cut up. My wife thought that was a little funny when we first started dating, but I'm like, I am too clumsy with my right hand to eat with it. I see what Michael means by how awkward this is. Maybe it's because all four of them are so different that it's hard for them to keep things flowing. I'm with Kaci on feeling afraid to be on video. I have a hard time with it too. It makes me nervous to be recorded by cameras and/or microphones. I'd much rather communicate with others via text and writing than by talking to them live. It's especially hard when I'm talking with them in person. I like writing because I can stop and think it through and decide exactly how I want to approach what I'm saying, even edit it before I post it. I also like to be able to look stuff up and make sure that I'm not getting stuff mixed up or remembering stuff wrong before I post it. You can't do that when talking to someone in person or live on video. People probably wouldn't like it if I brought the live conversation to a screeching halt by saying 'Hold on, I need to look something up before I respond to your question. I have to go to my book library or check this website for a few minutes.' :) After a live conversation, I always beat myself up with 'why did I say that?' or 'Why didn't I bring up this?' or 'Did that person I talked to think I was weird?' etc. I'm still recovering from hanging out and having supper at a crowded restaurant with my one of my dad's friends, my parents, my sister and my wife yesterday. It was fun but exhausting. I'm still tired from it. When I am trying to focus on something or trying to listen to someone or something that is important to me or really interesting to me, I sit almost stock still and barely move at all with probably a neutral expression on my face. I process out loud when I know that I'm alone. It probably comes from spending a lot of time alone as a kid and living alone as an adult for many years. It also seems to help me focus on one thought at a time. My internal mind is a bit chaotic with all sorts of competing ideas bouncing around. I feel the need to pick one and say it out loud to make it come to the forefront. I also do that a lot when I'm going for long walks or doing something that takes very little concentration like cleaning. Sometimes, my wife comes into the room I'm in and wonders who I'm talking to. She's pretty much gotten used to it now. Maybe that's why I need so much structure, solitude and quiet in my outer world - because there's already so much going on in my own head. Like Michael, when I'm not lost in thought, I seem to be unable to stop noticing everything around me in detail, especially noticing what is going wrong or about to go wrong. I drive people nuts with my 'sky is falling' stuff I bet. I'll even be shopping in a store and I'll be unintentionally evaluating and scrutinizing the whole place like I'm an inspector rather than a shopper. I rearrange stuff on the shelves, prevent things from falling over etc. I pull weeds out of flower beds at church, in parks and shopping malls, etc. Driving a car, or even riding in one, can be stressful for me because I can't stop predicting potential accidents. :) I've always been obsessed with the 'why' of life. Why things happen, why people behave like they do, why things are made the way they are etc. It makes for fun fodder for observational humor jokes too. My mom says that when I was very little, the first thing I said was a full sentence. Something like "Why can't I go with you?" I didn't just babble out individual words. I said absolutely nothing until I could speak whole, short sentences. Everything is a puzzle to me. I know what Joyce means by dichotomies. How we behave most of the time, or when nothing is forcing us to act different from how we really want to act, does show who we really are. What we say and do ultimately comes from within - from what we think, what our morals are, how we were raised, our culture etc. We don't just react by instinct like animals do, there's more to us than that.
It's my theory that in MBTI, there are four quadras, just like in socionics, who have the best interpersonal relations :) So this is one of the quadras! If only I knew how to name them...
Love your enthusiasm. :) To be involved in the panels, I'd either have to know you personally or you would have to be professionally typed by me through my typing service. If you still want to be included in future videos, email me at joycemeng22@gmail.com!
I have a question for Kaci: As an ENTJ therapist do you find you gravitate to more results oriented modalities such as cognitive therapy or dialectical therapy etc? I'm an INFJ but grew up in a family with an ENTJ older sibling and I am very results oriented myself. I also appreciate and understand ENTJ's strengths.
With these types of video topics where the guests need to be correctly typed for it, I do vet. Everyone in this panel is correctly typed and has the Joyce seal of approval. With other videos, I have been more lenient. If I already think there's a correctly typed person in the video, I'm more okay with potentially allowing a mistype. Or if the video topic doesn't require them to be correctly typed to provide good information, I don't vet as much. So to answer your question, I do yes, but when it's crucial to the video topic I try my best to vet the people going on, given the time constraints I have.
Interesting how Kaci seems to reduce many things to gender issues. I'm a female INTJ and cannot fathom the "desire to connect" in traditional male/female terms, and I literally never assign genders to behavior...but I'm thinking this is my Ni dom/INTJness talking and I realize I am in the minority.
@@JoyceMeng22 i was just wondering why she is anxious. i thought she might be 6. i just wanted to ask can an isfp be enneagram 5. i know they exists because i think i am enneagram 5 or 6. Not sure about my mbti type though but probably i am an isfp. I think wanted to know how a enneagram 5 isfp would be like. I watched your intj 5w6 vs 5w4 video. I could related to both of them.
ESFP here. John is constantly using Se to gather facts from the group. Michael is soaking in all the info from the group with his Ni. Sheila is soaking in her own Fi feelings while with the group. And Kaci is using her Te to teach the group.
John is the most serious articulate ESFP I’ve ever seen
The fact that he's also 8w7 helps
It's so cute watching the ISFP totally be the one all up in her feelings
It's hilarious, cuz Michael has never seemed so stereotypically INTJ as when he's sitting around stonefaced for 90%+ of this video
Lol, right after I posted this, the ESFP called out the same thing, and Michael fessed up to it too
I know its completely unrelated, but I love that the NTs are wearing glasses while the SFs aren't.
I love watching the expressions towards the end of John and Michael! I was having the same expressions as both of them as an INTJ! They get anxiety and feel freedom for opposite reasons! For myself, I don't get anxiety thinking about the future, because the future has not happened yet. I get anxiety about the present and what is happening. John and Sheila both said they get anxiety thinking about the future and want to focus on the present because the future has not happened yet and may not happen.
I worked with an ESFP closely when we were managers and we would both say "You think too much" when one of us was getting anxiety about something. I had both the greatest and worst experiences working with them and learned more about myself and others than any other point in my life.
Both of the NTJs associated Fi with "going dark" but neither of the SFPs did...
Cause their Fi is their demon nd the Fi of the SFPs is their saviourz
Johns honesty really is inspiring, a truly mature and smart guy.
Agreed!
Man the ESFP looks just so full of life, he moves with everything he says, it's incredible for an NI user like me
As an INTJ I found John particularly interesting. I found it funny he seemed intimidated by INTJ intelligence at first, because I find his physicality pretty intimidating. Michael’s description of Ni is pretty good too. I’d describe it as dissecting the world into parts and then seeing what parts it has in common with other things, and how the elements of everything relate to the elements of everything else. It’s a process of breaking everything down and then putting them back together. I found it particularly useful studying STEM subjects in school. One of the most satisfying things for Ni is seeing all the pieces fall into place.
One thing I noticed about the part where Sheila was expressing her Fi which I think is common in Fi doms who were raised to feel like their emotions were unacceptable or burdens to others. There’s a sort of shame associated with that so they internalize emotions and feel uncomfortable as if they’re inconveniencing others. So the emotions get folded inwards
I love how much John loves INTJs, it’s the sweetest thing. As an INTJ I really admire and respect ESFPs
So many insights. I actually enjoy using my Se (INTJ 33). I like going out to festivals and big parties (not clubs really, but I’ll go if the music is right). I really enjoy the vibe and excitement when the company is right. Ni just eats up the experiences and post processes like crazy. I agree with Joyce’s theory. My Ni allows my Se to “play” and not interrupt (allows it to collect) and this really brings balance. Like a hermit that likes to party on the full moon.
You’re not an INTJ nice try though.
notionSlave 👌🏾
YES!
you sound like an ISFP
TFW nope, I’ve learned to prepare for a fun time and pull out ESFP subconscious every blue moon. The “ESFP ride” doesn’t last long and a little alcohol is usually in the mix, but you can actually try and use all 4 sides of the mind.
As an INTJ, people wouldn’t think of us in the ‘Helping Professions’ but I’ve been in that kind of field my whole life and love it.
I will say my tolerance for nonsense gets low when systems and people using those systems are dumb and keep me from getting my job done to help someone.
Also, each type is sooooo their type just looking at each of them it’s like physicality/appearance/brooding faces and all 😉
Edit: for Michael when describing Ni Dom, it’s like Sherlock’s🕵🏽♀️ Mind Palace. We are *always* extrapolating from one thing to the next and it’s a spiderweb 🕸 of letting the mind drift into pure awareness on a level that is hard to sense in a reality sort of way.
Gammas For LIFE!!!!
There needs to be a group for us! "INTJs in the helping professions"!
It is funny how true it is that opposite types often have a “crush” on each other. As an INTJ I can definitely relate to the dynamic between Michael and John. Deep down I am scared about what sort of trouble I could get into with an Se dominant type because I know I would like it 😬
Ni is so difficult to describe. I think of Ni as a second set of eyes. First you have the eyes that see the real world. The second set is behind the first and they look like a blank grey canvas. As you experience senses/images/ideas your grey canvas pulls up every sense/image/idea that relates or could be partly related to your current idea/sense/experience in real time. Which is why I find it impossible to stay grounded in the real world and why we are so spacey. The key/goal/ultimate pleasure is to take those patterns and put them into a sequence. We do this unconsciously and consciously. And once the sequence is set we extrovert it. What other people see is the final sequence. It differs from Ne in my opinion in that the patterns in your second sight are like a funnel spider web instead of an expansive web. So like-It can pull together seemingly random ideas from memories, sensations, ideas...and pull them all together into several thousands of patterns but it is compact and limited to the internal framework of the web. And the drawback of this style of web is that we often have to wait for flies to stumble upon us...and there are less of them. But at the core of the web is a giant beautiful spider or epiphany about the pattern...that is likely vague and unclear compared to a prism hahaha! Love these videos :)
Very well said 👌
I think it was Sheila who said it, but there really is a homey feel about being in the company of people preferring the same functions you use! I loved watching this! Great work facilitating another success, Joyce!
Happy you liked it, Ombrifuge! Thank you for the kind words. They fuel me. :)
When John said that he teaches olympic taekwondo, I had to pause the video, just to let that sink in!
Ikr? I found that cool as well! He's also has a lot of other notable achievements XD that he may share in future videos
I'm interested in knowing what happens when you're not living in your dominant function/out of alignment with yourself because your true nature was heavily rebuked as a young person. You seem to have found healthy versions of each type. For many years I typed as an INFP then INFJ. As I've matured and now understand myself better and respecting my needs - I realize that I'm an ENTJ (through your videos). For many years, I just wanted to be accepted. Doing things my way in my personal/familial life wasn't working so I tried to conform and suffered greatly because of it. I kept getting poor results. I thought I was a bad person and stupid. I resented my family for a long time for not being accepting and patient. I'd love to see people on here who can discuss their growth - like what John was doing in the video. I think it's wonderful how much he's grown and that he is comfortable sharing that.
I would love to know more about this too. I never typed when I was younger but I know people who knew me would not consider me to be an ENFP or ESFP. I just wanted stay out the way and not be made fun of.
I would love to know more about this too. I never typed when I was younger but I know people who knew me would not consider me to be an ENFP or ESFP. I just wanted stay out the way and not be made fun of.
I relate to you so much!! I had a traumatic upbringing and grew up in a dysfunctional place with dysfunctional people and i did not have the opportunity to grow into my real personality. I had to adapt in order to survive, and to realise that I had to step into a personality that was not who I truly am. I tested as INFP and INFJ but i doubt they're accurate. The more I watch Joyce's videos the more I realise I might be some EXXP type, but I do relate to INTJs heavily. Still figuring it out.
my favorite types!! sfps and ntjs are the best honestly and I think they have the best functions
45:57 when Kcie pointed out that INTJs not moving a lot when they are focused is because INTJs Se inferior takes away from Ni line of thoughts, so they instinctively stop the Se movement to direct all of the energy to Ni so they can see the fastest and easiest way to a point, in short its like a sniper holding his/her breath to increase stability so they can hit the target accurately.
that is one way of knowing if someone is an Ne or Ni user, if they care more about accuracy then most likely they are an Ni user, but if they come up with so many possibility's then they are most likely a Ne user.
Wow. Can't believe there's a video like this. As an INTJ, I find I have a lot in common with my gamma quadrant compatriots. I tend to like them a lot. I find them interesting.
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing, Narc. 😃
@@JoyceMeng22 these are great videos, Joyce. Something the typology community definitely needed. You clearly know your stuff. And your video ideas are well-considered and well-executed. You're an excellent host as well. You keep things running smoothly, ask good questions, and draw a lot out of the participants
@@narchelsin7679 💖YOU ARE SO SWEET.
When Sheila talks around the 17th minute, I think you can see where her "Te" effort goes, she is talking about the common goal(s) of the company, she doesn't say things like meeting demands, profits, making sales. She says something like keeping everyone working fluently. I think one can deduce, her "Te's" priority is make sure everyone's "Fi" is as much as possible unirritated. I think from an "Fi" dom or saviour perspective, they find reason from their "Fi" comfortability/interest/tolerance etc. If they are happy they find reason to continue. Which is useful in some cases. I think that could be one of the reasons/ways they are likeable by their compatriots or employees. Everyone's "Fi"/personal harmony or comfort is their priority, if they are placed in a position of responsibility I guess.
Nice breakdown
It would be interesting to see Fi Ne Si Te group (INFP, ENFP, ISTJ, ESTJ). It is actually hard for me to see these types getting along well especially INFP and ISTJ, so it would be very insightful to see how it works and other people's experiences;)
Fi Ne Si Te will probably be the next function group video!
I noticed that Joyce has to Fe thank every individual person for each contribution. As an Fi user it is funny to watch. I relate with all of them to some degree, but mostly Michael as a fellow INTJ
Gotta make sure everyone feels appreciated 🙂! No man or woman left behind
You gammas are all so cool. I love you all 😍
Ikr? Gammas are a gift to mankind. 🥰
Haha, my therapist is an ENTJ woman... she's awesome. We think very differently but I find that is helpful for me in a therapy context. She always gives me a different way of looking at things!
It was interesting to see how anxious auxiliary and tertiary Se,Fi,Ni,Te became when was their turn to speak about these functions in contrast with how energized and powerful they seemed speaking about they dominant and second functions.. especially with Sheila, she was not comfortable at the begining but in the end she bloomed like a flower, talking about Se.. it was amazing to see where her strength is 🙂 This video was a really good idea Joyce. I think people can learn a lot from it. I am certainly going to watch it multiple times 😁. I am looking forward to more videos like this ❤️ thank you
Happy you liked it, japanecka! 🙂💚
Can't wait for the Ni-Fe-Ti-Se one! Great video!!
The F types had clothes allowing more skin. Report ends.
Gamma Quadra is the best
As a Delta... Gammas are definitely my favourite.
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Another great interview! So fun to see how the cognitive functions come out differently in different positions! This was extremely helpful! I look forward to watching one with my functions too :D
I'm super flattered that you're watching all these Type Talk videos, Anna! 💜 Yes, it'll be fun to cover our function group =]
It's so interesting, it seems like every time one of the guys starts talking the other one jumps in and it's usually about N and S. The same thing happens with the ladies with T and F. It's like we're all fascinated/obsessed with our dominant and inferior function
Yess! The fourth function is aspirational, it's something we aspire to be better at. Nicely said.
Not surprising, because your dominant function comes natural to you, while your inferior function is the most glaring one because it's the one that causes problems. It seems people tend to be more private about their tertiary functions.
12:10 I (an ESFP) LOVE my ESTJ therapist. So darn useful having the other perspective than what I’m used to using. I actually prefer thinkers in that role, as they are more likely to be helpful rather than feeling sorry for me. An over-generalization, I know. But feelers play other great roles in my life.
This was such a interesting video...especially to see the extroverted vs introverted versions of each type.
Yeah! It's so cool to see the same functions in different positions. Thank you for watching, Amber :)
(INFP) Yeah, I've noticed I definitely hold myself to the standards "of" my quadra.
Love that comment from the entj about counseling. I didn't personally want to go into counseling cuz I didn't want to talk to people about their feelings one-on-one. But I get it. Searching for the outcome. I went into population based interventions. Trying to create different environments or circumstances for people to have better outcomes psychologically (for example, you have a high obesity rate somewhere.. create work out opportunities, in public space parks....).
This was brilliant Joyce. Thanks. Excited for the next function group.
Wonderful! The next function group video will come out sometime this month or the next. :) I'm happy you're enjoying this series.
Joyce, I’ve been bingeing these Type Talks for the last 3 - 4 days, ever since RUclips recommended the first one to me! They’re so fascinating...I love me a good ol’ BRAIN PICK. ✨🧠✨
It’s cool how you’re able to find individuals who aren’t typical of their own type, so we’re able to see how human potential can bloom, when preparation meets opportunity.
So nice to hear that you're bingeing Type Talks, @Mo Poppins!! :) I love picking the minds of different personality types. Thank you for enjoying my content. Yes, I try to represent the spectrum of a type to show how much a certain type can grow. 🌱
1:05:47 Michael cracks a smile when Kaci brought up Ni
1:21:27 again
Totally binge watching the whole series of these videos of opposite types. I just finished watching the videos on the stacks of Fe Si Ne Ti also, Te Si Ne Fi, and now this video.
27:19 This ice breaker moment of all these types is my favorite moment lol
So fascinating how each function operates on the stack levels. These videos are wonderful Joyce! 👏👏👏
I love this so much, LOL i love intj slipping into his death stare. LOL i love intj's, they're very weird and like aliens put in a human body to me, they're kind of like a challenge for me, they are exciting and like john said they help bring you down, to focus and concentrate on one thing which is hard for me to do lol. (esfp) i can totally relate to how esfp is acting here, i can see when he gets a little bored and distracted with his thoughts at times or ansy, and how impulsive we are naturally, not much planned ahead thinking, just see and respond. Lol. Intj naturally just hides himself and becomes invisible at times to where you forget he's there for a moment (kinda sneeky no? lol) But no chance of ESFP hiding.
As an ISFP, this was a very captivating interview to watch!
This is one of the best MBTI videos I've watched. It's very helpful to hear everyone's different type interact. Thanks INFJ for coordinating and making it happen!
Yay!! Happy to hear =] Thank you for saying that, Bo Lang.
Gamma quadra represent!
Also when speaking on the inferior function shining because the dominant function gives it permission I have found that when I use Se IN SERVICE of my Ni is when I can force Se as accurately as possible. So I have found having the inferior function operate in service of the dominant function is the best modus operandi.
Absolutely!! I agree, so long as you can justify it to your dominant function, you can use the functions below it well. :)
the talk of the car on the side of the road gives me sweaty palms.
I’m was right there at the beginning with Michael clueless. “I don’t know what to say”
Where exactly was that question/statement going? Was that a complaint or complement? Most importantly do I need to respond?
Ni is busy with Te right now and unable to ascertain Fi’s exact locate so Se can answer your question.
Fi has serious antisocial issues and in fact hides from me on a regular basis.
So is neutral an appropriate response. 😶
Would've liked to hear John take another crack at how he experiences Ni...
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wow, stumbled upon this video and so glad i did. i really enjoyed seeing the ways that ppl relate to their more inferior functions, whereas other people are more dominant in certain functions. i noticed how "calm," the ENTJ seemed.. wonder if it's from inferior Fi.
So great to hear from you, Monique! :) Yes! Kaci has such a zen demeanour and I love that about her. Her objective nature makes her an amazing moderator of Meghan's Facebook group.
@@JoyceMeng22 that Te coming in handy :") i also loved the vulnerability from the ISFP - her Fi shining through and seeing the ways that everyone responded to it!
I like how people are trying to describe NI.
So I will too. The visual I would use is many many (seemingly infinite) threads of all different colors/textures (all of our conscious and unconscious input) being woven through this enormous loom. They are woven into an intricate pattern. Within that pattern is a message about the future. Intjs look at that woven pattern and find answers. Usually we find them almost instantly. Sometimes we need to wait for that loom to weave more to see the full answer. (Those are the times we are staring off into space...just watching the weaving of answers.)
Joyce - thank you for hosting these videos! And thank you Kaci, John, Michael and Sheila for sharing yourselves on video
I'm just wondering what's the EP/IP equivalent of the IJ/EJ- planning in order to be flexible in the moment e.g. Ni plans/control in order to deal with current chaos/incoming data/situations?
Would EPs be something like- chaos/freedom in the moment...and then i can work on plans/figure out what to control/plan?
I think it's like... Working out what your priorities are/having a really thorough internal framework (either logical or ethical) so that you can respond best to any given situation. Like... Planning too much/stocking rigidly to a plan would take away my ability to react appropriately to random events in a way that is in line with my internal framework. Idk if that makes sense
@@saskiascott8181 Ah right - so in this case, the rigidity ('planning') comes from the Fi/Ti
@@mangotuna yeah, I think so. Inward rather than outward and it's a more general type of planning.
question as an intj for an intj - how do you get comfortable with your idle stare?? it's not like i can help it, but people point it out all the time and it gets me self conscious (which makes the stare even worse :D )
I would type Naruto as an ESFP and Sasuke as an INTJ!
I have observed many ESFPs and INTJs who get along like two peas in a pod.
Omg at 31:00 ish mark when Michael talked about Ni meta commentary!! 🤯
I thought everyone did that!
Well that definitely cements for me that I'm an SP rather than NP.
very interesting, it makes me think about how different i would be if another of my functions were dom....
most of life cant be planed / controlled and it drives me nuts like my mind always wants to know whats going to happen down to fine details, but then if i am tossed in to chaos i make it all happen and it works out its like another function takes over, the constant way my mind wants to have everything processed before it happens drives me crazy but i cant seem to stop doing it.
Opposites attract. It's a 'cliche' but it is still true. I've dated a couple of girls who I would now think were ESFPs. I found them attractive and interesting, but after a while I realized that I could never have a long term relationship with them and certainly couldn't stand to live with one. :) They are just too 'out there' for me.
My wife is likely an ENTJ, but I'm no expert so I'm not sure. Sometimes I think she's maybe an INFJ. Either way, we have a lot in common except that she's more outgoing and more interested in other people and their feelings than I am. We get along a lot better than I think I would with an ESFP.
I was a really serious, very introverted person as a kid. I didn't loosen up at all until I was in college. I had a few guys in my fraternity (that my mom actually talked me into joining in hopes that they'd help me avoid being a hermit in college :)) who may have been ESFPs, they were especially extroverts for sure, who kinda dragged me out of my shell at times. I could have learned almost all of the academic stuff that my major was about by myself without college really. The most valuable thing I got out of college was learning to get along with different people and to explore other ways of living besides the ones was around as a kid.
I know what Michael means by being 'assaulted' by light and noise and such. I love music a lot, but I have a low tolerance for high volume, high brightness, big crowds etc. I rarely go to concerts. When I do, I'm actually happy to find that my ticket puts me way in the back as far from the source of the noise and on the farthest edge of the crowd as possible. Sometimes, I even wear light sunglasses and/or ear plugs at concerts to dull the impact of them a bit. I've been to concerts with people who were disappointed that they weren't closer to the stage and ask if I want to go with them to try to get close, while I'm like "Nope, I'm good, I can hear the band from here." I prefer to listen to music through headphones at home.
I'm left handed too for most things. What's odd is that I'm right handed when it comes to using scissors. Probably because there were never any left handed or ambidextrous scissors around when I was a kid, so I never had any practice with scissors cutting with my left hand. But when it comes to using things that can be used with my left hand, I almost always use them that way. Like when it comes to eating, I hold the knife with my left hand to cut food, then put the knife down and switch the fork from my right hand that was holding the food still to be cut, to my left hand to eat what I've cut up. My wife thought that was a little funny when we first started dating, but I'm like, I am too clumsy with my right hand to eat with it.
I see what Michael means by how awkward this is. Maybe it's because all four of them are so different that it's hard for them to keep things flowing.
I'm with Kaci on feeling afraid to be on video. I have a hard time with it too. It makes me nervous to be recorded by cameras and/or microphones. I'd much rather communicate with others via text and writing than by talking to them live. It's especially hard when I'm talking with them in person. I like writing because I can stop and think it through and decide exactly how I want to approach what I'm saying, even edit it before I post it. I also like to be able to look stuff up and make sure that I'm not getting stuff mixed up or remembering stuff wrong before I post it. You can't do that when talking to someone in person or live on video. People probably wouldn't like it if I brought the live conversation to a screeching halt by saying 'Hold on, I need to look something up before I respond to your question. I have to go to my book library or check this website for a few minutes.' :) After a live conversation, I always beat myself up with 'why did I say that?' or 'Why didn't I bring up this?' or 'Did that person I talked to think I was weird?' etc. I'm still recovering from hanging out and having supper at a crowded restaurant with my one of my dad's friends, my parents, my sister and my wife yesterday. It was fun but exhausting. I'm still tired from it.
When I am trying to focus on something or trying to listen to someone or something that is important to me or really interesting to me, I sit almost stock still and barely move at all with probably a neutral expression on my face.
I process out loud when I know that I'm alone. It probably comes from spending a lot of time alone as a kid and living alone as an adult for many years. It also seems to help me focus on one thought at a time. My internal mind is a bit chaotic with all sorts of competing ideas bouncing around. I feel the need to pick one and say it out loud to make it come to the forefront. I also do that a lot when I'm going for long walks or doing something that takes very little concentration like cleaning. Sometimes, my wife comes into the room I'm in and wonders who I'm talking to. She's pretty much gotten used to it now. Maybe that's why I need so much structure, solitude and quiet in my outer world - because there's already so much going on in my own head.
Like Michael, when I'm not lost in thought, I seem to be unable to stop noticing everything around me in detail, especially noticing what is going wrong or about to go wrong. I drive people nuts with my 'sky is falling' stuff I bet. I'll even be shopping in a store and I'll be unintentionally evaluating and scrutinizing the whole place like I'm an inspector rather than a shopper. I rearrange stuff on the shelves, prevent things from falling over etc. I pull weeds out of flower beds at church, in parks and shopping malls, etc. Driving a car, or even riding in one, can be stressful for me because I can't stop predicting potential accidents. :)
I've always been obsessed with the 'why' of life. Why things happen, why people behave like they do, why things are made the way they are etc. It makes for fun fodder for observational humor jokes too. My mom says that when I was very little, the first thing I said was a full sentence. Something like "Why can't I go with you?" I didn't just babble out individual words. I said absolutely nothing until I could speak whole, short sentences. Everything is a puzzle to me.
I know what Joyce means by dichotomies. How we behave most of the time, or when nothing is forcing us to act different from how we really want to act, does show who we really are. What we say and do ultimately comes from within - from what we think, what our morals are, how we were raised, our culture etc. We don't just react by instinct like animals do, there's more to us than that.
It's my theory that in MBTI, there are four quadras, just like in socionics, who have the best interpersonal relations :) So this is one of the quadras! If only I knew how to name them...
If you organize a Delta Quadra one I'd love to join as an INFP! :)
Love your enthusiasm. :) To be involved in the panels, I'd either have to know you personally or you would have to be professionally typed by me through my typing service. If you still want to be included in future videos, email me at joycemeng22@gmail.com!
@@JoyceMeng22 Great :) Thank you.
I have something to say about the ENTJ, but I'm afraid it would come across the wrong way...
Lol, jesus, and then right after I said this, she said "I have no filter"
Speaking of Te, could you please post timestamps for the type talks?
Thanks enjoyed this
Awesome. Great to hear :)!!
I have a question for Kaci: As an ENTJ therapist do you find you gravitate to more results oriented modalities such as cognitive therapy or dialectical therapy etc? I'm an INFJ but grew up in a family with an ENTJ older sibling and I am very results oriented myself. I also appreciate and understand ENTJ's strengths.
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Do you ever wonder if your guests are mistyped?
With these types of video topics where the guests need to be correctly typed for it, I do vet.
Everyone in this panel is correctly typed and has the Joyce seal of approval. With other videos, I have been more lenient. If I already think there's a correctly typed person in the video, I'm more okay with potentially allowing a mistype. Or if the video topic doesn't require them to be correctly typed to provide good information, I don't vet as much.
So to answer your question, I do yes, but when it's crucial to the video topic I try my best to vet the people going on, given the time constraints I have.
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Interesting how Kaci seems to reduce many things to gender issues. I'm a female INTJ and cannot fathom the "desire to connect" in traditional male/female terms, and I literally never assign genders to behavior...but I'm thinking this is my Ni dom/INTJness talking and I realize I am in the minority.
what is sheila's enneagram type?
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@@JoyceMeng22 i was just wondering why she is anxious. i thought she might be 6. i just wanted to ask can an isfp be enneagram 5. i know they exists because i think i am enneagram 5 or 6. Not sure about my mbti type though but probably i am an isfp. I think wanted to know how a enneagram 5 isfp would be like. I watched your intj 5w6 vs 5w4 video. I could related to both of them.