Merry X-mas! As for "scientific exploration" entrepreneurs, we could do without many of them who are mostly in it for the money, glam and fun. And it's typically a certain profile of men, a lot more than women. I have seen many female scientists being entrepreneurs. Never saw one leading such fanciful projects. Most men are much better at selling things than pursuing genuine science. They will hire others to do the weird stuff, or will manage themselves to build some collapsible submersible, flying coffin, or whatever. (Sam Altman and even Ilya Sutskever check this case, BTW.) This initiative to recreate extinct fauna is complete nonsense at a time when we are destroying natural habitats and extinguishing species at mass scale. Of course it excites everyone's imagination to picture a tiny herd of DIY "woolly mammoths" in Siberia. And that means a lot of money could be won by achieving that or even just trying. But this, by entertaining people's fantasy that everything is possible thanks to science, like reviving any lifeform we make disappear on a daily basis, doesn't help us change course. Rather the contrary. People keep dreaming that science can solve every problem before problems (of our own making) destroy us. Like solving the energy and non renewable stuff crisis, or the climate crisis, etc. It is pure folly.
as long as they do their own thing outside human influence. sure, but imagine people being stupid enough to go and feed them, making them get closer to human settlements and as a result scare the people living there causing them to be seen as a danger that has to be dealt with. oh wait ... that *is* actually what's happening in my country in the last few years since they were brought back in the 00s. obviously that's not on the wolves, but should humans really meddle with nature so much when we're still so incapable to not be stupid for once?
That's because there were extant parent populations that new breeding groups could be pulled from and re-introduced in familiar environmental conditions in new locations. You can't discount the value of parental training in cases like this. I know we successfully rescue orphans and reintroduce them to the wild, but they're either being introduced into wild populations or being monitored as they make their own way, and very often they are at risk because they don't have all the skills a parent would have taught them. Now consider a nu-Mammoth. Mom was an asian elephant, and their intended habitat is the prairie and tundra of North America. Mom isn't going to know anything about surviving there, and humans can't really teach them what to do. The best we could do is feed them the stuff we hope they'll be able to eat in the wild and hope they can figure it out once they're released. Even then, I'm convinced the habitat we have isn't a close enough match to be able to sustain any sort of mammoth population at viable levels.
Bringing back animals that went extint relatively recently makes sense, such as the Tasmanian tiger and passenger pigeon. IF they can be successfully reintroduced to their ecosystem. The tech could also be used to save nearly extinct animals like the northern white rhino.
I disagree. Unless there's a specific function within the environment these animals serve that currently isn't being served all your doing is introducing potential problems. For example thylacine's which are so often branded about as the best candidate ignores the reason they went extinct. Due to human encroachment on their habitat the thyalassen started predating more and more on livestock which became such a hazard to humans they were hunted to extinction not for food but to protect human food supplies. Since their extinction humans impact upon Tasmania has only expanded. 50% decline in native mammals, roads criss-crossing the island and they have issues with feral cats and dogs. The enviroment is radically different then the one they were in just 100 years ago. Additionally there's the genetic issues, we have only 1 source of DNA for the thylacine. That's bound to introduce genetic issues within the population.
@louiscypher4186 yeah, reintroducing anything we killed off sounds pointless to me. We are only expanding more and more and taking more habitats away, so bringing back animals that we have already killed off is probably just gonna end up with them all dead again, so why make the poor things suffer? Right now, we should focus on saving what we have and correcting shit behaviour and searching for better ways to live without impacting the environment to such an extent. If we ever get to that point, then yeah, let's bring em back.
@@Cman04092 pretty much agree, but there are some cases where an extinct species can be beneficial. these likely aren't things that are popular though. For example there's some frogs control beetle numbers. Some moths eat aphids.
I would argue that within the last hundred years, we've erased any accurate reflection of what ecosystems these creatures died in. They can't be brought back and simply plugged in to an existing niche. This very much feels like the NdGT thing about "if we had the skills and tech to teraform Mars, we have the skills and tech to teraform Earth" like, if we have the resources to resurrect an extinct species, those resources might be better spent saving endangered but extant species... and maybe expanding past animal cloning and include plants and fungi. Joe brings this up around the 9 minute mark, but I like yeah... that should maybe have been the thesis?
Would a Passenger Pigeon if re-introduced just be bread out of existence by regular pigeons very quickly? Seems like that animal just go f'd out of existence and would be every time it is brought back.
I think Joe deserves some recognition for how he makes regular videos while also constantly hiding from his predator clone. Must be a nightmare trying to edit a video and then an evil version of you turns up with an axe.
Interesting point on Smilodon. It makes sense that we still have a primal fear of carnivores like modern big cats. I often wondered why we depict monsters/demons with horns and or hooves. I'm going to assume that hunters attempting to score a kill amongst a grazer herd must've been assailed by defensive bulls that would either trample or gore them like modern bovids can. The anxiety of trying to get enough food for the tribe and survive must've scarred our collective consciousness with the shapes and armaments of these creatures
Although I am a fan of the collective unconscious, I think a simpler explanation is that the modern depictions of demons with horns and hooves are largely (although not all) drawn from Christian (and other Abrahamic religions) demonization of 'pagan' gods and mythological figures, such as Pan (a Greek nature deity associated with causing panic (yes, Pan and panic are etymologically related), and became one of the sources of the depiction of the devil in Christian imagery. There's also the association with cloven hooved animals being 'unclean'. Bulls in many religions are associated much more with positive rather than negative connotations; I can't think of many deer deities, although they do turn up here and there as pullers of divine chariots (modern example - Santa Claus and his reindeer), and deer antlers are sometimes worn by shamanic figures. The minotaur in Greek mythology is a savage monster with bull features, but I think this relates to the specific location - the city/labyrinth was associated with bulls, and so its monster logically had to incorporate one.
I want them to bring back the Kauai O'o because the recording of the last male of the spieces desperately singing for a female that would never come haunts my dreams and brings me absolute melancholy.
I’ve had people tell me that one of their biggest fears is having to run from someone on the toilet with their pants down around their ankles ….i had never really considered it myself, but it was funny Joe included that touch.
@@joescottMore of this stuff, my man. You've got a natural talent for acting. Most RUclipsrs who do these sorts of things don't and so they come across as only serving their ego.
What would adding another keystone species or apex predators do to the existing environment? Wolves being reintroduced to Yellowstone restored balance and is an amazing testimony to this.
I think the key is that wolves were re-introduced to an environment that they had only been absent from for a very short time, and no other species had yet taken over their niche. They had carved out that niche for themselves and everything had reached equilibrium, and re-introducing them just put things back closer to that previous balance. Life finds a way, though, and an ecological niche isn't likely to remain empty forever. Once another species starts to occupy that niche, I think the window for restoring things is closed. If you tried to add a species to a niche that is already occupied, I would expect competition resulting in the severe decline or extinction of either the newcomer or the established species. Perhaps even a chain reaction where one species was out-competed and pushed outside its geographical range and into new environments, where it was essentially an invasive species and possibly de-stabilized the ecosystem in its new range. Basically, I think adding a new species to a stable ecosystem would be a heck of a lot more complicated than re-introducing a species to its recent previous ecosystem.
Except that wolves were not 100% extinct in this habitat for thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. Those wolves were reintroduced into 'their' habitat mere decades after they left it, not into an habitat that kept evolving without them for milennia You REALLY don't want to bring back a species into an habitat that has evolved past that species, except you're one of those people that just want to see the world burn and cherish absolute chaos (in this case, how do you do fellow chaos champion? xD)
@@lsdave42 Mammoths could actually have a really good effect on permafrost in Siberia, by reintroducing the old tundra climate (currently most is boreal pine forests, which protect the permafrost less and also stores less CO2 than the tundra grasses did). They trample young trees and bushes, creating space for more biodiversity, and push snow deeper into the ground, making the ground colder. However, you don't actually need to bring them back for it, because currently in Siberia they're already using bulldozers to mimic some of the effects, and have introduced populations of smaller grazers. There's a short video on this Pleistocene Park ruclips.net/video/RXAirenteRA/видео.htmlsi=8xB9IbXL_t6wCzT6
@@Oroberusand unfortunately, based on current research, the Australian, Tasmania, and New Guinea environments were already stretching the Thylacine to its limits. While humans, even the aboriginals that inhabited those areas first before the even more disasterous European colonization, absolutely had an effect, humans were not the ONLY cause-at least not directly through hunting and bagging incentive programs. They were already gone from Australia long before colonists got there. It’s likely dingos were already stretching their resources thin, and aboriginals accelerated the progress. There’s also the introduction of diseases they didn’t have defenses against. Now, they have not only human development taking over the landscape and reducing many prey items, there are additional competition in the form of domestic and feral dogs (that are slowly eating away at the dingo population via cross breeding, disease, and food competition), outdoor and feral cats, foxes, etc.. While I think it would be awesome if there’s a population holding out in some remote forested region of New Guinea and Tasmania, I just don’t think it’s likely, and reintroducing them to Australian would just put a ton of strain on the native species that are still desperately hoping,holding on. The invasive animals would need to be eradicated to a large extent and land would be needed to convert back into wilderness to support their territories and prey species. I just don’t see how there’s anyway one could do it ethically right now without very, very serious changes.
@@rachelann9362 This might be true for some species but not for others, as I especially pointed out wolves. Wolves didn't vanish from north america because the habitat wasn't able to provide them anymore, they were hunted out of north america, therefor reintroducing them to north america, will not put a strain on the habitat
You may have already done a video on 'Pleistocene Park', but a deeper look at why bringing large mastodons back to the steppe tundra, is potentially so important, (Potentially, very , very important.) would have been interesting. Great vid. Thank you.
@@sandrahurst4123 Their woes are irrelevant on the road to greatness. The weak children will be prey, but the strong children will learn to ride the eagles and form tribes which will terrorize countries and bring entire nations to their knees. Once they come of age and are no longer light enough to be carried on the backs of their steed, they will sacrifice themselves in battle by skydiving into enemy leaders with spears in each hand.
Sounds awesome: "hey bros, let's bring back this dumb giant flightless bird". "cool!" "And then let's bring back this giant eagle to murder it!" "Super cool!"
@@Crazyashley42 Arrogance is of sin. I truly hope you are joking with your comment. We were put on this earth to help one another make it back to the presence of God, but the wicked destroy the wicked, so i suppose sinful people are their own predators. Fear and caution is good if it leads to repentance. If not, there really is much to fear. The disastrous events happening in our day will increase over time until the Savior returns. Then we will live in peace with all people and races of good hearts and minds. Even the wooly mammoth, if brought back, will lie down in peace. There will be no fear because all will be alive with the knowledge of Christ and all He has done for the world. God is in control of everything and uses both the wicked and the righteous to bring about His purposes. Be a Peacemaker. Learn of Christ. Happiness will follow.
An interesting approach is the Quagga Project in South Africa that started in 1987, where an attempt is being made to "bring back" the extinct Qwagga by selectively breeding zebras that have similar traits until they can get a close enough analog, and each generation they get closer and closer to the real thing.
Very interesting for sure!!... BUT... It also makes me think of nearly all purebred dogs and cats. In that all the selective breeding to get the ones that we know/have today, also brought a lot of health issues or problems that are found in each specific purebred!?!?
@@DOCDOCFLAMINGOS Also it's more feasible with animals that breed quickly. Things like elephants, primates, and whales don't reach sexual maturity for a pretty long time, so changes can't be made very quickly this way.
Joe, I think I have seen every video you have ever made, and I think that this side clip/sponsor part/sub plot/whatever is the very best one you have ever made. That was amazing and sooo very well done. Excellent job. 👍😀 (and that says a lot because you have had many good ones, and it also made me make my first comment ever on one of your videos 👍)
Well, animals created in labs would have legal protections and the corporation owning it could sue the people killing it and destroying their environment. But they'll probably going to try to charge you for seeing one in the wild too.
I have a fun memory of the La Brea Tarpits in the late 1980s. I was visiting the LA area and driving down Wilshire Blvd. and came across it, and I had to go around a few blocks to make sure I was seeing it correctly, because it's so close to downtown LA! Of course Google Maps and the Internet weren't a thing for travelers back then. I felt like I had found a treasure trove of ancient history and over 35 years later, I remember that visit fondly.
Thanks for another great vid! Hands down, the Tasmanian Tiger. But in doing so, we’d also need foxes and feral cats to be under control so the Tiger can be the top predator again. They’ve only been gone for a blip on the extinction radar, I mean we have them on film so hopefully it’s something they can do, I know there’s a lot of interest here in Oz.
On a trip around California many years ago, friend and I stopped by the Tar Pits and found them so interesting! However, the lasting memory I have of them is that some small, black bird took it into its mind to attack me, at least three times. The little bugger wouldn't leave me alone! Despite that, the pits and what is found in them (and how the stuff is found) was wonderous. Love me some science!
i'd be down to watch a video where you talk about the bacterial infections becoming immune to modern antibiotics that you mentioned if you're looking for video ideas!
This kind of program would be great for rhinos (especially the extinct Black Rhino). I would also LOVE to see the Caspian Tiger and Archaeoindris (giant lemur) come back. I don't think they would become invasive, and they would be cool to have back (in an appropriate habitat, of course).
Predator Clone is hilarious! It (of course) would be a bit scary if it were real. Using Predator Clone to segue into the Incogni commercial was pretty clever. All Hail Zoe! You freakin crack me up Joe, you really do. I might be simple, but there is a cognitive sympathetic resonance there I am certain. That means you are sick and sad and twisted, just like me. In terms of extinctions, an additional 200 species was added just this year, to the list of 44,000 species in danger of extinction. It was fun while it lasted.
I made up this idea in my head a while ago where I thought about how hilarious it would be to hire a guy to just stalk and randomly attack you as you go about your day just to keep you sharp
"10 years out till you see a wolly mammoth" Me, who seen the wolly mammoth genetic engineering concern 15+ years ago and they also claimed they were gonna have a wolly mammoth in 5-10 years:
I just listen to your videos while i work most of the time because i dont want to miss what you have to offer, but I can't just sit and watch them...... having said that, I was listening to this video while cutting something on my table saw, and that bit you did for your sponsor was the best thing I've "seen" all week! I would love to see what you could do with a full studio and a big production company behind you. Keep it up Joe you do an amazing job with these videos.
Ah yes, so many flower species missing from the UK, and it's been decades since I've seen a Camberwell Beauty butterfly. On reflection, I think it probably is better to start with the most recent losses and work backwards, since I remember an article by the World Wide Fund For Nature that claimed every time a species went extinct, an 'average' of 50 other interconnected species die with it. Therefore, it would make sense to help the present day species that are ailing as a result of species, now extinct, that depended on them in some way. Work backwards through the timeline of extinctions and get others off the Red Data list, and we can improve environments 'in readiness' for those species we aim to bring back next. Choosing species like Woolly Mammoths - for whatever reason than they're big and impressive - may not work because the plants are not there, because the bugs that pollinated them are not there, because the dung of the prehistoric predators the aforementioned bugs lay their eggs in aren't there. In this respect, choosing a Woolly Mammoth to restore might result in a slow, sad re-extinction for that animal. I think we humans ought to do less than what's really impressive, and do what is thought out sensibly to support the target creatures scientists want to bring back.
Joe: You got this, Bro! This is definitely your thing (talent) or i guess one of many. Thank you for informing us in this cool format. I'm a 51 year old man, and i watch these videos with my 12 yo son, and it's a great experience to learn new stuff together; Even though English is our 2nd language (we're from Mexico). Please keep teaching us. We appreciate it. Peace! El Charlie
What will happen is rather than addressing the actual issues, people will continue to spin their wheels and end up using this technology to transform humans into bizarre constructs that can survive in the horrible conditions humanity continues to create.
Hi Joe I would just like to thank you in 2019 I came down with pancreatic cancer found your Chanel and been watching ever since when I watch you now it takes me back to a bad time that you made bearable Thank you 👍
I think the Dodo and the Thylacine are important projects. The mammoth? Not so much. There are plenty of other species that have disappeared more recently that should be the focus of those efforts.
In my experience, after taking a cruise for the first and only time, I learned that nearly the entire crew was from the Philippines. I asked other people I know of that have gone on cruises, and they had similar observations, but their crew was Malaysian. I don't think it would take much research to expose the bad conditions and labor demands that are required of the crew. They are likely severely underpaid as well. I theorize that when you add those circumstances to an emergency situation it would be unreasonable to expect the crew to go above and beyond to help passengers. It would be like expecting the 3rd class passengers to help load all of the 1st and 2nd class passengers before themselves. Not what they signed up for and not nearly enough compensation. The captain has zero excuse, and neither do the cruise lines for their deplorable labor practices.
See... the dodo story always gets to me. Because the received wisdom is that the dodo was tasty AF. Nowadays, rumour has it that the tapir is also pretty good eating, however its also endangered. So Im like... ofc I shouldnt eat it, because its endangered. But on the other hand, what if it goes extinct and I never got to taste one, maybe I should chow down while Ive got the chance? Im really conflicted, and I just love tasty things.
Interestingly, some animals have been saved because they were tasty. Red wattle hogs, for instance, were bred back into widespread existence because of several factors - one being their meat.
@@nod4eight945 Well the reason for that is probably because there was a full human population to turn it into livestock, while the colonists that found the Dodo's probably didn't have the equipment, people, or maybe even knowhow on how to turn them into livestock.
the fact that the *mammoth step* biome is missing the DEFINING FEATURE of the biome (mammoths trampling trees & grasses to compact permafrost- preventing methane from entering the atmosphere) but overall i think resurrection technology seems like a good medical tool. this could lead to us being able to grow replacement limbs & organs for you or your loved ones in a 3d meat printer.
FINALLY, someone who understands how to weave an ad into their video in an entertaining way with a perfect segway! Oh, and an entertaining presentation of interesting information. Ranks you right up with Kyle Hill (although YOUR segway was better).
It's not just from that time period. The natural world is fucking terrifying, even with modern technology. (Even ignoring the microbiological universe.) A reindeer will murder you for a lick of salt. Or just because you happened to be nearby in mating season. Or because they like jaywalking. A wild racoon can rip flesh from bone. People have literally been mauled to death while saving cats from a burning building. House cats. The city/rural divide on all lines stems from the basic perception of having bested nature - of having risen edifices of hubris that show total domination.... of rats and cockroaches, but also of humans, over nature. The rural folk realize that they still live in an active world that is fundamentally hostile and trying to survive as best it can - and it will screw you over if it gets the chance. The city folk as so far removed from the actual production of most *things* of actual value (save for software, for a few of us), that even the concept of running out of food in the store doesn't make sense.
I love that Peaceful Joe was embroidering a sampler. However, I don't understand how reviving the woolly mammoth would either protect Arctic permafrost or save modern elephants from extinction. On the latter goal, in fact, remember that elephants bear and raise one infant at a time, taking years to do so -- so each infant mammoth born from a modern elephant replaces a modern infant elephant that that mother elephant cannot carry and rear.
Sort of related to the theory about why kids imagine monsters, there is a theory in psychology that ADHD is a remnant of a time where humanity were still largely hunter-gatherers. The people with what we now call ADHD, that heightened awareness and increased ability to take in stimuli, would have been the ones responsible for keeping the tribe safe. Noticing the twig snapping in the woods, or when the forest fell silent, or the first to see that a section of river they fished was now barren. It's an interesting idea to ponder.
Great focus on the habitat required for the to-be-reintroduced species, its potential impact on habitats as they exist today. I was thinking exactly that they might constitute (re)invasive species when you made your point about temporally invasive species. :D TLDR Do we really know enough to authoritatively say what is a "keystone species" and what is not? A few million years of separation may hide a lot of unknown unknowns, leading to complications and unintended interactions. Re: the Colossus Biosciences quote, specifically about restoring "keystone species". If I were optimistic, I'd assume that the eggheads will do their due diligence and strive for a balanced, objective view of what "keystone" means. However, if their profit model in any way comes to rely on winning over the public's imagination (or even just investors with less rigorous scientific/academic backgrounds) with the sensational, then I strongly suspect all kinds of human cognitive biases are going to creep into the decision-making process on what constitutes a "keystone" species. Note that the PR material released by these companies, mentioned in the video, all focus on PETA-esque high profile, complex animals -- mammals, birds. Not a single mention of reviving extinct protozoa or lichens, or amphibians like the extinct toad Joe mentioned. B/c insects, fungi, germs, worms, reptiles, amphibians, fish, etc aren't evolutionarily as close or relatable to an unsophisticated human audience. So what are these restored sexy mammals going to eat? A caveat: yes, simpler extinct species that supported the extinct target species are potentially easier to substitute with modern-day species that occupy the nearly the same ecological niche. But "nearly" may or may not be sufficient in all necessary cases. Not a hard "no", just a big "what about". e.g. For the proposed modified pseudo-mammoth, what will it eat? Are there enough plants in Siberia compatible with an Asian elephant diet? This goes back to Joe's point about pointlessly restoring an extinct species (or in this case filling a vacant ecological niche with a new hybrid species) that just quickly goes extinct again without ongoing intensive sustainment efforts by human overseers. We can't even feed our own pet dogs and cats the plant matter and other dietary elements their ancestors used to get from eating the offal of their prey. And that's in a relatively controlled environment of profit-driven industrial kibble production and our own homes. What will profit-driven biotech companies feed their hybrid engineered mammoths? Monsanto corn? :P
Here is one of my concerns , although scientists like to laugh at crazy religious people, they are just as susceptible to short sightedness and magical thinking. I loved the quote you included about best intentions. I've always liked your videos, they are getting better and better
I'm reminded of the controversial push to start farming rhinos. it's currently illegal to farm rhinos for most (or any) reason. but the plan had been to breed them in captivity for food, leather, and yes: ivory. the plan would allow rhino populations to recover faster by using private lands and financial incentives, a portion of the increased population could be released into the wild to the extent that the wilds could support them. and farmed ivory would tank the price of ivory, effectively killing the illicit ivory trade, which, of course, starts with poaching. on this topic, the recovered population of the more common rhino types would allow the recently-extinct varieties; for which we have complete dna samples and records; to be recovered as well, using the newly-common-rhinos to incubate and bare de-extinct calves. it would be like incubating a cloned embryo of a Bison/buffalo in a common cow...
If you've ever watched the Pink Panther movies, Inspector Cleouseu had a "house boy" (played by Bruce Lee), who would attack him (just like Joe Scott clone) to "keep him sharp"... because his hands were "deadly weapons"...
The murder clone skit, particularly the ad read in the closet had big Michael from the office vibes particularly one of those silly safety briefs he did
Happy Holidays Joe and crew🤗 Thank you all for the amazing content! To quote the legend himself "have a a safe and happy new year love ya guys and take care"
Happy holidays Joe. Hope you end 2023 strong and that 2024 brings you, your family, your channel, and your team unprecedented success! Thanks for the knowledge and entertainment!
Hi Joe. I love your work and think you are absolutely awesome. But when it comes to extinction stuff, I can't help but think of that George Carlin bit about saving the planet. To combat my aura of nihilism, i would like to wish you a merry festivus, may all your kin be blessed by the divine noodles, and may your grog be ever cool and drinkable. 😁♥
super impressed with you rolling your running gag into your sponsorship. I don't need incogni right now but if I did, I would just for that! what doing that did (if you're looking for feedback) is make me watch the whole ad instead of skipping ahead once I heard who sponsored the video.
Imagine having a bank of all the genomes of all the extinct species on earth and knowing where they fit into their environments so that five hundred years from now we can just factory reset whole environments back up and running
Passenger Pigeons used to have flocks so massive they'd block the sun for hours when passing over. We ate every last one. Imagine what they did for their ecosystems as they migrated with that scale of consumption and excretion.
There is/was another group called Pliestocene park in Russia that are trying to bring back the mammoth and other large fauna to try and slow the thawing permafrost. they're theory is that mammoths can help clear trees in the tundra, promoting grass growth, and increasing the number of grazing animals will help refreeze permafrost from the animals pushing snow away to get at the grass. I haven't seen any new info in a while though so I hope the project didn't get canned.
Be selfish > Reintroduce Passenger Pigeons > Roast chestnuts! Once upon a time, these flocks ‘dropped’ so much guano that the American Chestnut wasn’t even phased by the blight that’s currently killing them all. Wild Pigeon = also tasty!
Great video! Thanks so much for asking what animal I want to resurrect. The Barbary lion: 1 It would be less difficult because it hasn't been extinct long. 2. It will warm people up to the idea and then do more exotic animals like Smilodon. 3. Who doesn't like giant kitties? What do we need a giant sloth for? Well, maybe to feed the giant kitties.
The monsters under the bed concept isn’t that far fetched. Anthropologists studying monkeys have recognized that essentially all monkeys are innately afraid of snakes (as are some people). It is hypothesized that this fear is a genetic left over from the days where all primates lived in trees, a lifestyle that brought them into direct contact with snakes. The guys/gals that were fast enough to live ‘to tell’ about their encounters lived, the others… well, they didn’t. We too may have a genetic memory of the days when a bump in the night was something not to be ignored.
You must be the only youtuber whos ads I actually watch just because of the creative und unexpected setups 😀 Feel free to use this when negotiating your cut the next time around :P
Mice problem in Australia? Bring back Taz Tigers. Makes sense. To them it's like running around finding chicken nuggets... or... mice... nuggets... Merry Xmas Joe, thanks for everything xox
Hey Joe! Merry Christmas and happy new year! Just wanted to say love the way you did the Segway into the commercial! I really enjoyed and appreciate that. If ya gotta do a commercial might as well make it funny or entertaining! Golly good show ol’ chap👍🏻
I'm sure you do your research before each video, and I don't mean to criticize you, I love your channel and I always love watching your videos. That said, I feel like this one in particular sounds a lot like those random companies that have a impossible project as their main goal, who suddenly get a lot of recognition from a news article and they blow up, but they don't eventually come to anything. Everything in their websites reminds me of that Adam Something video about the moon megaproject.
I suggest we start as early back as possible and see if we can branch off into a whole new type of life form, maybe one that breathes sunlight direct, like a plant animal thing! Maybe really get it right this time.
If you take it as not an all or nothing choice, it becomes easier to say yes. In this case, the thing to do would be would be to make sure the raw materials are available for the future restoration to life of the extinctions we caused (which weren't "just happening all the time" at the rate they are now, before we decided to value our "needs" as a absolute priority over anything else). No need to go through the entire process from beginning to end in one spasm that might fizzle. For instance, I've heard that "free hand backs" mostly just end up on landfills. That doesn't seem worth destroying life for. For starters, if we're the only life that matters, we could just pack up and leave if we set to it. Go and be the only thing on the Moon. Win win. We get to be important in an absolute way, and everything else gets to live. And be less boring than our paved surfaces and shopping malls. Or door to boring door deliveries, half of which have the main purpose of making us fat, while not fulfilling the need they felt like they'd fulfill. It's pointless restoring animals in isolation. Animals are part of habitats. For starters all animals (us included) need some plants to parasitize, directly or indirectly. Some are very specific about what they can be the parasites of. (We're a bit more flexible. We can parasitize grass indirectly by directly parasitizing cows. We can parasitize grains. We can even parasitize insects (like prawns). Or stuff that's similar to insects. To save habitats, we need to leave them alone. Get rid of the paving, the roofing, and other death star features we bring with us. Stop dumping plastic bags on them. Basically just leave well enough alone. So before we get to bringing back mammoths (which is only a good idea if it's for its own sake - doesn't need the promise of some "advance" to justify it, if it's justified, and we're not absolute, and everything else better just get used to that, as we go about cleaning our nest and sterilizing it for ourselves as we've done till now) we need to leave things like "forests" (tree farms, well sterilized - because we "need" them - because we "need" whatever we scream for when we chuck our toys out of the cot) alone. Let the bad fungi back in, for instance. And the "weeds". A good way to start is just to KILL YOUR LAWN. Have a look at what Joey Santore has to say about that. ruclips.net/video/xYdLfkJcfok/видео.html (Great tips on practical ways of starting to undo what we did when we had the excuse of being uneducated in our unthinking.) My apologies for the rude words he says to you at the end, but he means it in a good hearted way, so don't be hurt by it.
I can't think of any species that I would like to see come back before the environment improves. However, I know one species that would very probably improve the environment if it went extinct.
I don't have to wonder about monsters under the bed... I *know* there is a monster under the bed. Of course, that monster is our 5kg housecat, and he's adorable. But if toes poke out from the blankets, they're targets.
This just proves we should just heap money onto scientists and see what they might come up with. Sometimes they could accidentally or willingly solve really big problems while actually trying to do something else. Just look at all the stuff we got from the space race.
I have never agreed with the idea of "a better use of resources would be X, therefore you shouldn't do Y", because even if that was the case having something like de-extinction is still good to keep in your back pocket even if we don't properly take advantage of it till a later date. If you can demonstrate de-extincting a Mammoth (more extreme a Dino species) then you can for sure de-extinct any of the the species that end up going extinct tomorrow or just just help boost the population of an endangered species, at the very least such a demonstration would prove it was worth digitizing the genomes or clone fresh frozen samples of species before the DNA is to far gone to read. You could also freeze or digitize genomes in a vault like a more comprehensive version of the Switzerland seed vault (personally I think even if we don't colonize another planet anytime soon we should be spreading out digital data and frozen samples of the current state of the earth around our star system for more secure archival purposes, in-case future generations or Alien races with the technology need it to de-extinction or just understand the history of the earth). Such technology could also be helpful later down the line when we have the ability to build things like O'Neil cylinders to more efficiently populate artificial preserves in structures like that. Instead of bring something large like an Elephant to the artificial preserve, just grow them on location.
Merry Christmas everyone! Thanks for a great year!
Thanks for the video. It's a wonderful Christmas present. Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas Joe!! Lol your channel has been a blessing these past couple years. Top tier content creation.
Merry X-mas!
As for "scientific exploration" entrepreneurs, we could do without many of them who are mostly in it for the money, glam and fun. And it's typically a certain profile of men, a lot more than women. I have seen many female scientists being entrepreneurs. Never saw one leading such fanciful projects.
Most men are much better at selling things than pursuing genuine science. They will hire others to do the weird stuff, or will manage themselves to build some collapsible submersible, flying coffin, or whatever. (Sam Altman and even Ilya Sutskever check this case, BTW.)
This initiative to recreate extinct fauna is complete nonsense at a time when we are destroying natural habitats and extinguishing species at mass scale.
Of course it excites everyone's imagination to picture a tiny herd of DIY "woolly mammoths" in Siberia. And that means a lot of money could be won by achieving that or even just trying.
But this, by entertaining people's fantasy that everything is possible thanks to science, like reviving any lifeform we make disappear on a daily basis, doesn't help us change course. Rather the contrary.
People keep dreaming that science can solve every problem before problems (of our own making) destroy us. Like solving the energy and non renewable stuff crisis, or the climate crisis, etc. It is pure folly.
Merry Christmas and happy holidays Joe!
Merry Christmas Joe!
(also..) All Hail Master Predator Zoe!
I know that they weren't extinct, but wolves and bison re-introduction to their habitat seems to have had positive results.
as long as they do their own thing outside human influence. sure, but imagine people being stupid enough to go and feed them, making them get closer to human settlements and as a result scare the people living there causing them to be seen as a danger that has to be dealt with.
oh wait ... that *is* actually what's happening in my country in the last few years since they were brought back in the 00s. obviously that's not on the wolves, but should humans really meddle with nature so much when we're still so incapable to not be stupid for once?
They didn't decide due to natural causes though.
Humans practly wiped them out.
That's a big difference
That's because there were extant parent populations that new breeding groups could be pulled from and re-introduced in familiar environmental conditions in new locations. You can't discount the value of parental training in cases like this. I know we successfully rescue orphans and reintroduce them to the wild, but they're either being introduced into wild populations or being monitored as they make their own way, and very often they are at risk because they don't have all the skills a parent would have taught them.
Now consider a nu-Mammoth. Mom was an asian elephant, and their intended habitat is the prairie and tundra of North America. Mom isn't going to know anything about surviving there, and humans can't really teach them what to do. The best we could do is feed them the stuff we hope they'll be able to eat in the wild and hope they can figure it out once they're released. Even then, I'm convinced the habitat we have isn't a close enough match to be able to sustain any sort of mammoth population at viable levels.
That's the point, wooly mammoth habitats don't exist.
@@Aislinsweetdreamstundra exists.
Bringing back animals that went extint relatively recently makes sense, such as the Tasmanian tiger and passenger pigeon. IF they can be successfully reintroduced to their ecosystem. The tech could also be used to save nearly extinct animals like the northern white rhino.
I disagree. Unless there's a specific function within the environment these animals serve that currently isn't being served all your doing is introducing potential problems. For example thylacine's which are so often branded about as the best candidate ignores the reason they went extinct.
Due to human encroachment on their habitat the thyalassen started predating more and more on livestock which became such a hazard to humans they were hunted to extinction not for food but to protect human food supplies.
Since their extinction humans impact upon Tasmania has only expanded. 50% decline in native mammals, roads criss-crossing the island and they have issues with feral cats and dogs. The enviroment is radically different then the one they were in just 100 years ago.
Additionally there's the genetic issues, we have only 1 source of DNA for the thylacine. That's bound to introduce genetic issues within the population.
@louiscypher4186 yeah, reintroducing anything we killed off sounds pointless to me. We are only expanding more and more and taking more habitats away, so bringing back animals that we have already killed off is probably just gonna end up with them all dead again, so why make the poor things suffer?
Right now, we should focus on saving what we have and correcting shit behaviour and searching for better ways to live without impacting the environment to such an extent. If we ever get to that point, then yeah, let's bring em back.
@@Cman04092 pretty much agree, but there are some cases where an extinct species can be beneficial.
these likely aren't things that are popular though. For example there's some frogs control beetle numbers. Some moths eat aphids.
I would argue that within the last hundred years, we've erased any accurate reflection of what ecosystems these creatures died in. They can't be brought back and simply plugged in to an existing niche.
This very much feels like the NdGT thing about "if we had the skills and tech to teraform Mars, we have the skills and tech to teraform Earth" like, if we have the resources to resurrect an extinct species, those resources might be better spent saving endangered but extant species... and maybe expanding past animal cloning and include plants and fungi. Joe brings this up around the 9 minute mark, but I like yeah... that should maybe have been the thesis?
Would a Passenger Pigeon if re-introduced just be bread out of existence by regular pigeons very quickly? Seems like that animal just go f'd out of existence and would be every time it is brought back.
I’m not going to lie Joe this was one of the smoothest segues you’ve done from topic to comic bit to advertisement. Nicely done!
I think Joe deserves some recognition for how he makes regular videos while also constantly hiding from his predator clone. Must be a nightmare trying to edit a video and then an evil version of you turns up with an axe.
Are we sure there's only one predator clone? Harcourt Fenton Mudd ended up with five hundred android copies of his wife, Stella.
How can we be sure the "evil" one isn't the real Joe trying to remove the imposter!!!
@@tavdy79 Yes it true
If only Inspector Clouseau had this technology poor Kato would never had suffered so much.
Never make a clone of a clone
Interesting point on Smilodon. It makes sense that we still have a primal fear of carnivores like modern big cats. I often wondered why we depict monsters/demons with horns and or hooves. I'm going to assume that hunters attempting to score a kill amongst a grazer herd must've been assailed by defensive bulls that would either trample or gore them like modern bovids can. The anxiety of trying to get enough food for the tribe and survive must've scarred our collective consciousness with the shapes and armaments of these creatures
It's even worse than that. They were getting food for their own wives and children; the tribe was secondary.
Although I am a fan of the collective unconscious, I think a simpler explanation is that the modern depictions of demons with horns and hooves are largely (although not all) drawn from Christian (and other Abrahamic religions) demonization of 'pagan' gods and mythological figures, such as Pan (a Greek nature deity associated with causing panic (yes, Pan and panic are etymologically related), and became one of the sources of the depiction of the devil in Christian imagery. There's also the association with cloven hooved animals being 'unclean'. Bulls in many religions are associated much more with positive rather than negative connotations; I can't think of many deer deities, although they do turn up here and there as pullers of divine chariots (modern example - Santa Claus and his reindeer), and deer antlers are sometimes worn by shamanic figures. The minotaur in Greek mythology is a savage monster with bull features, but I think this relates to the specific location - the city/labyrinth was associated with bulls, and so its monster logically had to incorporate one.
I want them to bring back the Kauai O'o because the recording of the last male of the spieces desperately singing for a female that would never come haunts my dreams and brings me absolute melancholy.
Me too 😢
God i've heard that recording and it's haunting
This is so sad!
Joe, you can never just make a nice, educational science video without some Family Guy-esque segway into the weirdest shit I've ever seen 😂
I will accept this compliment. 😄
I know it takes more time, but I love the cinematic stuff!! Really appreciate!!!
I’ve had people tell me that one of their biggest fears is having to run from someone on the toilet with their pants down around their ankles ….i had never really considered it myself, but it was funny Joe included that touch.
@@joescottas you should!
@@joescottMore of this stuff, my man. You've got a natural talent for acting. Most RUclipsrs who do these sorts of things don't and so they come across as only serving their ego.
What would adding another keystone species or apex predators do to the existing environment? Wolves being reintroduced to Yellowstone restored balance and is an amazing testimony to this.
I think the key is that wolves were re-introduced to an environment that they had only been absent from for a very short time, and no other species had yet taken over their niche. They had carved out that niche for themselves and everything had reached equilibrium, and re-introducing them just put things back closer to that previous balance.
Life finds a way, though, and an ecological niche isn't likely to remain empty forever. Once another species starts to occupy that niche, I think the window for restoring things is closed.
If you tried to add a species to a niche that is already occupied, I would expect competition resulting in the severe decline or extinction of either the newcomer or the established species. Perhaps even a chain reaction where one species was out-competed and pushed outside its geographical range and into new environments, where it was essentially an invasive species and possibly de-stabilized the ecosystem in its new range.
Basically, I think adding a new species to a stable ecosystem would be a heck of a lot more complicated than re-introducing a species to its recent previous ecosystem.
Except that wolves were not 100% extinct in this habitat for thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. Those wolves were reintroduced into 'their' habitat mere decades after they left it, not into an habitat that kept evolving without them for milennia
You REALLY don't want to bring back a species into an habitat that has evolved past that species, except you're one of those people that just want to see the world burn and cherish absolute chaos (in this case, how do you do fellow chaos champion? xD)
@@lsdave42 Mammoths could actually have a really good effect on permafrost in Siberia, by reintroducing the old tundra climate (currently most is boreal pine forests, which protect the permafrost less and also stores less CO2 than the tundra grasses did). They trample young trees and bushes, creating space for more biodiversity, and push snow deeper into the ground, making the ground colder.
However, you don't actually need to bring them back for it, because currently in Siberia they're already using bulldozers to mimic some of the effects, and have introduced populations of smaller grazers. There's a short video on this Pleistocene Park ruclips.net/video/RXAirenteRA/видео.htmlsi=8xB9IbXL_t6wCzT6
@@Oroberusand unfortunately, based on current research, the Australian, Tasmania, and New Guinea environments were already stretching the Thylacine to its limits. While humans, even the aboriginals that inhabited those areas first before the even more disasterous European colonization, absolutely had an effect, humans were not the ONLY cause-at least not directly through hunting and bagging incentive programs. They were already gone from Australia long before colonists got there. It’s likely dingos were already stretching their resources thin, and aboriginals accelerated the progress. There’s also the introduction of diseases they didn’t have defenses against. Now, they have not only human development taking over the landscape and reducing many prey items, there are additional competition in the form of domestic and feral dogs (that are slowly eating away at the dingo population via cross breeding, disease, and food competition), outdoor and feral cats, foxes, etc..
While I think it would be awesome if there’s a population holding out in some remote forested region of New Guinea and Tasmania, I just don’t think it’s likely, and reintroducing them to Australian would just put a ton of strain on the native species that are still desperately hoping,holding on. The invasive animals would need to be eradicated to a large extent and land would be needed to convert back into wilderness to support their territories and prey species. I just don’t see how there’s anyway one could do it ethically right now without very, very serious changes.
@@rachelann9362 This might be true for some species but not for others, as I especially pointed out wolves. Wolves didn't vanish from north america because the habitat wasn't able to provide them anymore, they were hunted out of north america, therefor reintroducing them to north america, will not put a strain on the habitat
You may have already done a video on 'Pleistocene Park', but a deeper look at why bringing large mastodons back to the steppe tundra, is potentially so important, (Potentially, very , very important.) would have been interesting. Great vid. Thank you.
Bringing back the Ivory-billed woodpecker seems like it should be easier than a dodo. But the Moa, and Haast’s Eagle would be pretty epic too.
I don’t think sheep ranchers and mothers of young children would want the Haast Eagle brought back.
@@sandrahurst4123 Their woes are irrelevant on the road to greatness. The weak children will be prey, but the strong children will learn to ride the eagles and form tribes which will terrorize countries and bring entire nations to their knees. Once they come of age and are no longer light enough to be carried on the backs of their steed, they will sacrifice themselves in battle by skydiving into enemy leaders with spears in each hand.
Sounds awesome:
"hey bros, let's bring back this dumb giant flightless bird".
"cool!"
"And then let's bring back this giant eagle to murder it!"
"Super cool!"
@@sandrahurst4123 Humans have been without natural predators for too long and have gotten arrogant. A little fear and caution is good for a species.
@@Crazyashley42 Arrogance is of sin. I truly hope you are joking with your comment. We were put on this earth to help one another make it back to the presence of God, but the wicked destroy the wicked, so i suppose sinful people are their own predators. Fear and caution is good if it leads to repentance. If not, there really is much to fear. The disastrous events happening in our day will increase over time until the Savior returns. Then we will live in peace with all people and races of good hearts and minds. Even the wooly mammoth, if brought back, will lie down in peace. There will be no fear because all will be alive with the knowledge of Christ and all He has done for the world. God is in control of everything and uses both the wicked and the righteous to bring about His purposes. Be a Peacemaker. Learn of Christ. Happiness will follow.
An interesting approach is the Quagga Project in South Africa that started in 1987, where an attempt is being made to "bring back" the extinct Qwagga by selectively breeding zebras that have similar traits until they can get a close enough analog, and each generation they get closer and closer to the real thing.
Very interesting for sure!!... BUT... It also makes me think of nearly all purebred dogs and cats. In that all the selective breeding to get the ones that we know/have today, also brought a lot of health issues or problems that are found in each specific purebred!?!?
@@DOCDOCFLAMINGOS Also it's more feasible with animals that breed quickly. Things like elephants, primates, and whales don't reach sexual maturity for a pretty long time, so changes can't be made very quickly this way.
I remember reading something about a similar effort to “reverse engineer” the aurochs.
Joe, I think I have seen every video you have ever made, and I think that this side clip/sponsor part/sub plot/whatever is the very best one you have ever made. That was amazing and sooo very well done. Excellent job. 👍😀
(and that says a lot because you have had many good ones, and it also made me make my first comment ever on one of your videos 👍)
Well, animals created in labs would have legal protections and the corporation owning it could sue the people killing it and destroying their environment. But they'll probably going to try to charge you for seeing one in the wild too.
5:39 I know it's not in the spirit of this video, but look at that wood butchering machine. Man, that's efficient.
I have a fun memory of the La Brea Tarpits in the late 1980s. I was visiting the LA area and driving down Wilshire Blvd. and came across it, and I had to go around a few blocks to make sure I was seeing it correctly, because it's so close to downtown LA! Of course Google Maps and the Internet weren't a thing for travelers back then. I felt like I had found a treasure trove of ancient history and over 35 years later, I remember that visit fondly.
Thanks for another great vid! Hands down, the Tasmanian Tiger. But in doing so, we’d also need foxes and feral cats to be under control so the Tiger can be the top predator again. They’ve only been gone for a blip on the extinction radar, I mean we have them on film so hopefully it’s something they can do, I know there’s a lot of interest here in Oz.
On a trip around California many years ago, friend and I stopped by the Tar Pits and found them so interesting! However, the lasting memory I have of them is that some small, black bird took it into its mind to attack me, at least three times. The little bugger wouldn't leave me alone! Despite that, the pits and what is found in them (and how the stuff is found) was wonderous. Love me some science!
I had a bat do that once. I tried to net it but couldn't. Then flipped the net to the handle and hit a home run killing the bat...
@@brandonhoffman4712touchdown! 😂
I hope I can visit that one day too
The Red Wing Black Bird is very territorial. . . I’ve been attacked more than once while cycling in the countryside. . .
i'd be down to watch a video where you talk about the bacterial infections becoming immune to modern antibiotics that you mentioned if you're looking for video ideas!
Lol that's a no from me, I've already surpassed my lifetime quota of being scared shitless
This kind of program would be great for rhinos (especially the extinct Black Rhino). I would also LOVE to see the Caspian Tiger and Archaeoindris (giant lemur) come back. I don't think they would become invasive, and they would be cool to have back (in an appropriate habitat, of course).
Absolutely the best segue into a sponsor video ever. I'm actually going to look into it now, simply due to your performance effort.
Predator Clone is hilarious!
It (of course) would be a bit scary if it were real.
Using Predator Clone to segue into the Incogni commercial was pretty clever.
All Hail Zoe!
You freakin crack me up Joe, you really do.
I might be simple, but there is a cognitive sympathetic resonance there I am certain.
That means you are sick and sad and twisted, just like me.
In terms of extinctions, an additional 200 species was added just this year, to the list of 44,000 species in danger of extinction.
It was fun while it lasted.
I'm also sick, sad, and twisted. We should start a band! 😁
I made up this idea in my head a while ago where I thought about how hilarious it would be to hire a guy to just stalk and randomly attack you as you go about your day just to keep you sharp
Yes, loved the segue!
"10 years out till you see a wolly mammoth"
Me, who seen the wolly mammoth genetic engineering concern 15+ years ago and they also claimed they were gonna have a wolly mammoth in 5-10 years:
Thanks for all the great videos this year Joe! Hope you had a good holiday spent with the family. Can't wait to see what you have in store next!
This might be the absolute BEST commercial for Incogni. Predator Clone is hilarious!
I just listen to your videos while i work most of the time because i dont want to miss what you have to offer, but I can't just sit and watch them...... having said that, I was listening to this video while cutting something on my table saw, and that bit you did for your sponsor was the best thing I've "seen" all week! I would love to see what you could do with a full studio and a big production company behind you. Keep it up Joe you do an amazing job with these videos.
Letting AI decide what parts of the genome to use is such a great idea that it'd be a great setting for the next Terminator movie.
Nothing that includes "... letting AI decide ..." is a good idea EVER xD
@@OroberusWe solved Protein Folding with AI so that is a lie.
Please stop, AI is just a Intelligence that is produced artificially, I hate everyone constantly say Skynet Skynet Skynet.
There are some plant life I'd like to see come back. I can't think of anything in particular, but I know there is a tree that is the last of its kind.
Ah yes, so many flower species missing from the UK, and it's been decades since I've seen a Camberwell Beauty butterfly.
On reflection, I think it probably is better to start with the most recent losses and work backwards, since I remember an article by the World Wide Fund For Nature that claimed every time a species went extinct, an 'average' of 50 other interconnected species die with it.
Therefore, it would make sense to help the present day species that are ailing as a result of species, now extinct, that depended on them in some way.
Work backwards through the timeline of extinctions and get others off the Red Data list, and we can improve environments 'in readiness' for those species we aim to bring back next.
Choosing species like Woolly Mammoths - for whatever reason than they're big and impressive - may not work because the plants are not there, because the bugs that pollinated them are not there, because the dung of the prehistoric predators the aforementioned bugs lay their eggs in aren't there. In this respect, choosing a Woolly Mammoth to restore might result in a slow, sad re-extinction for that animal.
I think we humans ought to do less than what's really impressive, and do what is thought out sensibly to support the target creatures scientists want to bring back.
A famous one i know of is the plant the romans made extinct because it prevented pregnancy
Joe: You got this, Bro!
This is definitely your thing (talent) or i guess one of many.
Thank you for informing us in this cool format.
I'm a 51 year old man, and i watch these videos with my 12 yo son, and it's a great experience to learn new stuff together; Even though English is our 2nd language (we're from Mexico).
Please keep teaching us.
We appreciate it.
Peace!
El Charlie
That Predator Clone bit was hilarious. Awesome video!
What will happen is rather than addressing the actual issues, people will continue to spin their wheels and end up using this technology to transform humans into bizarre constructs that can survive in the horrible conditions humanity continues to create.
Hi Joe I would just like to thank you in 2019 I came down with pancreatic cancer found your Chanel and been watching ever since when I watch you now it takes me back to a bad time that you made bearable Thank you 👍
Oh, that monster under the bed bit near the beginning sent shivers down my back
I think the Dodo and the Thylacine are important projects. The mammoth? Not so much. There are plenty of other species that have disappeared more recently that should be the focus of those efforts.
In my experience, after taking a cruise for the first and only time, I learned that nearly the entire crew was from the Philippines. I asked other people I know of that have gone on cruises, and they had similar observations, but their crew was Malaysian. I don't think it would take much research to expose the bad conditions and labor demands that are required of the crew. They are likely severely underpaid as well. I theorize that when you add those circumstances to an emergency situation it would be unreasonable to expect the crew to go above and beyond to help passengers. It would be like expecting the 3rd class passengers to help load all of the 1st and 2nd class passengers before themselves. Not what they signed up for and not nearly enough compensation. The captain has zero excuse, and neither do the cruise lines for their deplorable labor practices.
See... the dodo story always gets to me.
Because the received wisdom is that the dodo was tasty AF. Nowadays, rumour has it that the tapir is also pretty good eating, however its also endangered. So Im like... ofc I shouldnt eat it, because its endangered. But on the other hand, what if it goes extinct and I never got to taste one, maybe I should chow down while Ive got the chance?
Im really conflicted, and I just love tasty things.
Interestingly, some animals have been saved because they were tasty. Red wattle hogs, for instance, were bred back into widespread existence because of several factors - one being their meat.
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@@nod4eight945 Well the reason for that is probably because there was a full human population to turn it into livestock, while the colonists that found the Dodo's probably didn't have the equipment, people, or maybe even knowhow on how to turn them into livestock.
the fact that the *mammoth step* biome is missing the DEFINING FEATURE of the biome (mammoths trampling trees & grasses to compact permafrost- preventing methane from entering the atmosphere) but overall i think resurrection technology seems like a good medical tool. this could lead to us being able to grow replacement limbs & organs for you or your loved ones in a 3d meat printer.
FINALLY, someone who understands how to weave an ad into their video in an entertaining way with a perfect segway! Oh, and an entertaining presentation of interesting information. Ranks you right up with Kyle Hill (although YOUR segway was better).
Been absent from the channel for a while. I miss the chair spin at the beginning, but I am glad that the intro remains the same.
It's not just from that time period. The natural world is fucking terrifying, even with modern technology. (Even ignoring the microbiological universe.)
A reindeer will murder you for a lick of salt. Or just because you happened to be nearby in mating season. Or because they like jaywalking. A wild racoon can rip flesh from bone. People have literally been mauled to death while saving cats from a burning building. House cats.
The city/rural divide on all lines stems from the basic perception of having bested nature - of having risen edifices of hubris that show total domination.... of rats and cockroaches, but also of humans, over nature.
The rural folk realize that they still live in an active world that is fundamentally hostile and trying to survive as best it can - and it will screw you over if it gets the chance.
The city folk as so far removed from the actual production of most *things* of actual value (save for software, for a few of us), that even the concept of running out of food in the store doesn't make sense.
I love that Peaceful Joe was embroidering a sampler.
However, I don't understand how reviving the woolly mammoth would either protect Arctic permafrost or save modern elephants from extinction. On the latter goal, in fact, remember that elephants bear and raise one infant at a time, taking years to do so -- so each infant mammoth born from a modern elephant replaces a modern infant elephant that that mother elephant cannot carry and rear.
Not only is this channel AWESOME interesting and fun, but even the commercials are worth watching 😄
Sort of related to the theory about why kids imagine monsters, there is a theory in psychology that ADHD is a remnant of a time where humanity were still largely hunter-gatherers. The people with what we now call ADHD, that heightened awareness and increased ability to take in stimuli, would have been the ones responsible for keeping the tribe safe. Noticing the twig snapping in the woods, or when the forest fell silent, or the first to see that a section of river they fished was now barren. It's an interesting idea to ponder.
Great focus on the habitat required for the to-be-reintroduced species, its potential impact on habitats as they exist today. I was thinking exactly that they might constitute (re)invasive species when you made your point about temporally invasive species. :D
TLDR Do we really know enough to authoritatively say what is a "keystone species" and what is not? A few million years of separation may hide a lot of unknown unknowns, leading to complications and unintended interactions.
Re: the Colossus Biosciences quote, specifically about restoring "keystone species". If I were optimistic, I'd assume that the eggheads will do their due diligence and strive for a balanced, objective view of what "keystone" means. However, if their profit model in any way comes to rely on winning over the public's imagination (or even just investors with less rigorous scientific/academic backgrounds) with the sensational, then I strongly suspect all kinds of human cognitive biases are going to creep into the decision-making process on what constitutes a "keystone" species.
Note that the PR material released by these companies, mentioned in the video, all focus on PETA-esque high profile, complex animals -- mammals, birds. Not a single mention of reviving extinct protozoa or lichens, or amphibians like the extinct toad Joe mentioned. B/c insects, fungi, germs, worms, reptiles, amphibians, fish, etc aren't evolutionarily as close or relatable to an unsophisticated human audience. So what are these restored sexy mammals going to eat? A caveat: yes, simpler extinct species that supported the extinct target species are potentially easier to substitute with modern-day species that occupy the nearly the same ecological niche. But "nearly" may or may not be sufficient in all necessary cases. Not a hard "no", just a big "what about".
e.g. For the proposed modified pseudo-mammoth, what will it eat? Are there enough plants in Siberia compatible with an Asian elephant diet? This goes back to Joe's point about pointlessly restoring an extinct species (or in this case filling a vacant ecological niche with a new hybrid species) that just quickly goes extinct again without ongoing intensive sustainment efforts by human overseers. We can't even feed our own pet dogs and cats the plant matter and other dietary elements their ancestors used to get from eating the offal of their prey. And that's in a relatively controlled environment of profit-driven industrial kibble production and our own homes. What will profit-driven biotech companies feed their hybrid engineered mammoths? Monsanto corn? :P
Here is one of my concerns , although scientists like to laugh at crazy religious people, they are just as susceptible to short sightedness and magical thinking. I loved the quote you included about best intentions. I've always liked your videos, they are getting better and better
What a creative way to advertise it was the first time I didn't fast forward through an advertisement
Man, that segue to the Incogni promotion was the stuff of legends. 😄👏🏽
I'm reminded of the controversial push to start farming rhinos.
it's currently illegal to farm rhinos for most (or any) reason. but the plan had been to breed them in captivity for food, leather, and yes: ivory. the plan would allow rhino populations to recover faster by using private lands and financial incentives, a portion of the increased population could be released into the wild to the extent that the wilds could support them. and farmed ivory would tank the price of ivory, effectively killing the illicit ivory trade, which, of course, starts with poaching.
on this topic, the recovered population of the more common rhino types would allow the recently-extinct varieties; for which we have complete dna samples and records; to be recovered as well, using the newly-common-rhinos to incubate and bare de-extinct calves. it would be like incubating a cloned embryo of a Bison/buffalo in a common cow...
If you've ever watched the Pink Panther movies, Inspector Cleouseu had a "house boy" (played by Bruce Lee), who would attack him (just like Joe Scott clone) to "keep him sharp"... because his hands were "deadly weapons"...
Happy New Year Joe and Zoe!
The murder clone skit, particularly the ad read in the closet had big Michael from the office vibes particularly one of those silly safety briefs he did
Happy Holidays Joe and crew🤗
Thank you all for the amazing content! To quote the legend himself "have a a safe and happy new year love ya guys and take care"
Happy holidays Joe. Hope you end 2023 strong and that 2024 brings you, your family, your channel, and your team unprecedented success! Thanks for the knowledge and entertainment!
Ok Joe, Predator Clone was pretty funny; and it was hilarious the way you segued into the advertising. Nice job.
Hi Joe. I love your work and think you are absolutely awesome. But when it comes to extinction stuff, I can't help but think of that George Carlin bit about saving the planet. To combat my aura of nihilism, i would like to wish you a merry festivus, may all your kin be blessed by the divine noodles, and may your grog be ever cool and drinkable. 😁♥
super impressed with you rolling your running gag into your sponsorship. I don't need incogni right now but if I did, I would just for that! what doing that did (if you're looking for feedback) is make me watch the whole ad instead of skipping ahead once I heard who sponsored the video.
The Predator Clone was priceless.
Imagine having a bank of all the genomes of all the extinct species on earth and knowing where they fit into their environments so that five hundred years from now we can just factory reset whole environments back up and running
The last passenger pigeon died here in Cincinnati. I’d love to see more Martha’s brought back 😊
Passenger Pigeons used to have flocks so massive they'd block the sun for hours when passing over. We ate every last one. Imagine what they did for their ecosystems as they migrated with that scale of consumption and excretion.
0:11 Seconding after going to LA for the first time (of an age to remember) back in September. Tar pits museum was neat.
Cloning wooly mammoths has been "10 years away" for the last 30 years 😂
There is/was another group called Pliestocene park in Russia that are trying to bring back the mammoth and other large fauna to try and slow the thawing permafrost. they're theory is that mammoths can help clear trees in the tundra, promoting grass growth, and increasing the number of grazing animals will help refreeze permafrost from the animals pushing snow away to get at the grass. I haven't seen any new info in a while though so I hope the project didn't get canned.
2:44 Not as delicious as many other birds on the island. One of the first names given to the bird was "Walghvoghel", meaning "disgusting bird".
Predator Clone is my new fav sketch! 🤣🤣Merry Xmas Joe!
We love you too Joe. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year my friend.
Be selfish > Reintroduce Passenger Pigeons > Roast chestnuts! Once upon a time, these flocks ‘dropped’ so much guano that the American Chestnut wasn’t even phased by the blight that’s currently killing them all. Wild Pigeon = also tasty!
...I think this is the -best- Sponsorship setup and segue you've ever performed.
Great video! Thanks so much for asking what animal I want to resurrect.
The Barbary lion:
1 It would be less difficult because it hasn't been extinct long.
2. It will warm people up to the idea and then do more exotic animals like Smilodon.
3. Who doesn't like giant kitties? What do we need a giant sloth for? Well, maybe to feed the giant kitties.
The monsters under the bed concept isn’t that far fetched. Anthropologists studying monkeys have recognized that essentially all monkeys are innately afraid of snakes (as are some people). It is hypothesized that this fear is a genetic left over from the days where all primates lived in trees, a lifestyle that brought them into direct contact with snakes. The guys/gals that were fast enough to live ‘to tell’ about their encounters lived, the others… well, they didn’t. We too may have a genetic memory of the days when a bump in the night was something not to be ignored.
Incogni should give you a bonus for that brilliant ad.
Oh and Kudos for making the predator club ad just that tiny bit too long^^ I love that.
You must be the only youtuber whos ads I actually watch just because of the creative und unexpected setups 😀 Feel free to use this when negotiating your cut the next time around :P
Mice problem in Australia? Bring back Taz Tigers. Makes sense. To them it's like running around finding chicken nuggets... or... mice... nuggets...
Merry Xmas Joe, thanks for everything xox
That sponsor transition got a good laugh out of me. Great job with that integration!
Joe is part woolly mammoth. 65 on the thermostat?! Man, that’s crazy.
Awesome predator clone sketch. Was that Stellarator playing in the background?
Merry Christmas, and a great video
Hey Joe! Merry Christmas and happy new year! Just wanted to say love the way you did the Segway into the commercial! I really enjoyed and appreciate that. If ya gotta do a commercial might as well make it funny or entertaining! Golly good show ol’ chap👍🏻
I see you’re also staring in the Apple TV series “Trying”. Well done!
The best! So good.
Thank you for your amazing work.
Ray, from Vancouver, BC.
I'm sure you do your research before each video, and I don't mean to criticize you, I love your channel and I always love watching your videos. That said, I feel like this one in particular sounds a lot like those random companies that have a impossible project as their main goal, who suddenly get a lot of recognition from a news article and they blow up, but they don't eventually come to anything. Everything in their websites reminds me of that Adam Something video about the moon megaproject.
Historical records tell us that dodo tasted awful, bad enough to make the eater vomit. But the dogs, cats, and pigs thought the eggs were delicious.
I suggest we start as early back as possible and see if we can branch off into a whole new type of life form, maybe one that breathes sunlight direct, like a plant animal thing! Maybe really get it right this time.
All Hail Zoe! Merry Christmas Joe and family!
5:19 I don’t know why that made me laugh that hard. Thank you.
When Joe asks "we could bring these back , but should we?" my answer was YES ,YES , give it a go!
If you take it as not an all or nothing choice, it becomes easier to say yes. In this case, the thing to do would be would be to make sure the raw materials are available for the future restoration to life of the extinctions we caused (which weren't "just happening all the time" at the rate they are now, before we decided to value our "needs" as a absolute priority over anything else). No need to go through the entire process from beginning to end in one spasm that might fizzle.
For instance, I've heard that "free hand backs" mostly just end up on landfills. That doesn't seem worth destroying life for. For starters, if we're the only life that matters, we could just pack up and leave if we set to it. Go and be the only thing on the Moon. Win win. We get to be important in an absolute way, and everything else gets to live. And be less boring than our paved surfaces and shopping malls. Or door to boring door deliveries, half of which have the main purpose of making us fat, while not fulfilling the need they felt like they'd fulfill.
It's pointless restoring animals in isolation. Animals are part of habitats. For starters all animals (us included) need some plants to parasitize, directly or indirectly. Some are very specific about what they can be the parasites of. (We're a bit more flexible. We can parasitize grass indirectly by directly parasitizing cows. We can parasitize grains. We can even parasitize insects (like prawns). Or stuff that's similar to insects.
To save habitats, we need to leave them alone. Get rid of the paving, the roofing, and other death star features we bring with us. Stop dumping plastic bags on them. Basically just leave well enough alone.
So before we get to bringing back mammoths (which is only a good idea if it's for its own sake - doesn't need the promise of some "advance" to justify it, if it's justified, and we're not absolute, and everything else better just get used to that, as we go about cleaning our nest and sterilizing it for ourselves as we've done till now) we need to leave things like "forests" (tree farms, well sterilized - because we "need" them - because we "need" whatever we scream for when we chuck our toys out of the cot) alone. Let the bad fungi back in, for instance. And the "weeds".
A good way to start is just to KILL YOUR LAWN.
Have a look at what Joey Santore has to say about that. ruclips.net/video/xYdLfkJcfok/видео.html (Great tips on practical ways of starting to undo what we did when we had the excuse of being uneducated in our unthinking.)
My apologies for the rude words he says to you at the end, but he means it in a good hearted way, so don't be hurt by it.
I think it makes the most sense to bring back species that we have had an undeniably direct hand in destroying, like the great auk or the PP
Happy New Year Joe!
Merry Christmas! 🎅 🎄 ❤
The fact it's only a 50/50 clone, personally I wouldn't count it as brining back the species.
I can't think of any species that I would like to see come back before the environment improves. However, I know one species that would very probably improve the environment if it went extinct.
Merry Xmas joe and team🎉🥳🥳🤣🤣
I don't have to wonder about monsters under the bed... I *know* there is a monster under the bed.
Of course, that monster is our 5kg housecat, and he's adorable. But if toes poke out from the blankets, they're targets.
that ad read deserves an award
I have not heard WHY restored Mammoths, specifically, would be so good for the Arctic environment.
This just proves we should just heap money onto scientists and see what they might come up with. Sometimes they could accidentally or willingly solve really big problems while actually trying to do something else. Just look at all the stuff we got from the space race.
I have never agreed with the idea of "a better use of resources would be X, therefore you shouldn't do Y", because even if that was the case having something like de-extinction is still good to keep in your back pocket even if we don't properly take advantage of it till a later date. If you can demonstrate de-extincting a Mammoth (more extreme a Dino species) then you can for sure de-extinct any of the the species that end up going extinct tomorrow or just just help boost the population of an endangered species, at the very least such a demonstration would prove it was worth digitizing the genomes or clone fresh frozen samples of species before the DNA is to far gone to read. You could also freeze or digitize genomes in a vault like a more comprehensive version of the Switzerland seed vault (personally I think even if we don't colonize another planet anytime soon we should be spreading out digital data and frozen samples of the current state of the earth around our star system for more secure archival purposes, in-case future generations or Alien races with the technology need it to de-extinction or just understand the history of the earth). Such technology could also be helpful later down the line when we have the ability to build things like O'Neil cylinders to more efficiently populate artificial preserves in structures like that. Instead of bring something large like an Elephant to the artificial preserve, just grow them on location.
Totally thought u were carrying a different type of axe when the clone popped out… 1:55