Bolívar criticized Napoleon for being a centralizing the power on himself and ending the dreams of revolution, to himself later centralize his power later as he seeks for the independence ending the dreams of revolution. Really interesting swift.
Indeed, I'm just realizing how different Bolivar and San Martin were. San Martin never had any aspirations of power, any time someone offered him one he rejected it, or delegate someone else. That and he always treated POW and spanish royalist with respect, as if they were his own men. There is a even letter were he rejected an small payment from a spanish general to cover the expenses of some prisoners he had taken after a battle.
Well... it's an interesting swift, but i don't know if that should demonize him. I don't know very much about Venezuela history, but spaniards weren't such good guys. Everyone who wasn't from spain had no rights at all. I know violence is not the answer, but the intentions were good. Also how can you even make a goverment when you just liberated a country. Besides, it's not as easy as choosing a meal.
But there are differences. Napoleon made himself emperor. Bolivar was a reluctant dictator. After that series of battles (The Admirable Campaign), when he entered Caracas, he received the title of Liberartor of Venezuela, to which he said "This honor is more glorious and fulfilling than the scepter of all empires on Earth." In fact, he step down once the fight was over. His last words were, "Colombians, if my death contributes to the cesaing of the parties and the consolidation of the union, I shall go down in peace to my tomb."
we have some series about that part of Brazilian history... all of them comedies, because there is no way to tell the history of the portuguese royal family with a serious face
"Portuguese Court: Come back to Portugal you brat D. Pedro I: No Portuguese Court: We ORDER you to come back D. Pedro I: Ok, then I declare independence xD Portuguese Court: Wut" And thats how Brazil became independent
They're not that better, is just the the current school system in Venezuela sucks, but it used to be very informative (I heard of Boves when I was - like - 10 years old and I still remember those guys for how well they tough it).
Not very surprising. Most children in the US are taught that their War of Independence was a struggle for democracy. In real life, it was a naked powergrab by aristocratic elites - only the rich could vote until well into the 19th century. George Washington would have been HORRIFIED by democracy as we understand it today. He actually referred to poor people as "Cattle".
Yeah holy shit. Up to this point I was like "yeah he might be a blind idealist but he seems like a pretty awesome guy" Then suddenly he's given himself all power to more easily wage a ferocious and total war of attrition against the citizens of his home country... Beheading prisoners, enlisting children. This guy sounds worse than Palpatine.
Wait until Bolivar's Organic Decree in 1828 where he declares himself Dictator, which leads to the Septembrine Conspiration by people who opposed him and failed, and then were later massacred or exiled.
@@wolfangtorres1587 i born and raised in the llanos of Venezuela and still is lika that, since you are a little child all your family and the community teach you taht the world is for the strength people. It's a sad way of life
The "Legion of Hell," from what information I've found on them, didn't start out as bandits or outlaws. They were men who lived on the Venezuelan plains that were used to life on horseback, a people that were more or less left to their own devices, owing no loyalty to the Spanish or the Republicans. They were recruited into the war against the Second Republic and became (initially) a 4,000 strong lance cavalry division. Much of the success of the Spanish Royalists against the Republicans during this war is attributed to the Legion as their charges more or less broke Republican forces everywhere they met them. They were so effective that in the future struggle for Venezuelan independence, the Republicans under Bolivar would end up recruiting them for their cause. So to write them off as bandits or outlaws is kind of a disservice to their effectiveness as a fighting force. That's not to say that their methods weren't brutal though. Everywhere they went, civilian rapes, massacres, and all kinds of atrocities followed. I think there were more like the ancient Huns, since they relied on spears and charges, rather than the Mongols since Mongol tactics revolved more around the use of their superior horse archers and feigned retreats.
Vik Ing when they became a part of the Republican army, they had the 'battle of queseras del medio' where they defeated a +1000 Spaniard division with only 140 men... They only had 2 casualties and it began with a feigned retreat.
Yal Rathol I didn't say I rooted for them. And in any case, "rooting" for historical figures is strange because we know how things turned out and the scope of how they behaved (i.e. whether they were more bandits than freedom fighters, etc). The point I was making was that people in the comments section were talking about them as if they were merely outlaws and not one of the key players within the wars of that era. They delivered the First Republican War to the Spanish, and Bolivar courted them for his returning campaigns. That should tell people how important they were as a fighting force. 'where's the line when "effective combat unit" becomes "terrorist band that needs to be stopped"?' You're arguing two separate things. A fighting force can be both a terrorist faction and an effective combat unit. Those are not mutually exclusive things.
You won't find it, as it was just one of many nicknames for the llanos/pardo forces. Look up Jose Tomas Boves. He's the guy you're looking for; he was the main warlord in charge of those forces and there are many dark legends surrounding him. Perhaps we'll hear about him in the next episode.
Impossible, Boves died in the Battle of Puerta (but there were so many that the Patriots still lost), but Extra credits showed his face on this episode.
This episode sounds like an Assassin's Creed plot, liberating districts, recruitig people for your cause men like phantoms, sneaking thru jungles and swamps. There are moral dilema's surrounding the cause and the way to achive it and that Legion of Hell suddenly supporting the Spanish just screams Templar. Ubisoft get on with this!
definitely sounds like a great way to tell this story. though who would be the assassin? Just some random Venizualan? Of which class would he be? because that's incredibly important. Was he a Spanish Born Spanish blood? Foreign Born Spanish blood? Mix Blooded? Black? Native?
It's hard to choose a side because really neither is good. But I think the Assassins would likely with revolutionaries because it's more progressive. The issue with them is that they were slave owners and Ubisoft can't risk the controversy of a main character that is for independance but also fine with slavery. However if they could handle show the good and bad of both sides it could be great.
Animation Smart I'm finishing my Cs degree, so I'll try to explain. Java, C++, C#, Python. The list goes on. These languages can be used to create theoretically any program. There is no "best" option. The strength and weaknesses of these languages do not translate directly to making games. Unreal and unity are the most widely used.
Asking for what the best language to code a specific game is like asking for the best language to write poetry or literature in. There just isn't an objective answer.
When you guys started this series I feeared that you'll only cover the 'good' parts of Bolívar. Yet, you are telling his true history. I am a fan of San Martin, which liberated most south America in a very different way, and was a rightful man and a brilliant general.
Because Portugal was taken by Nappy, and you became "the metropoli" de facto, as the Portuguese monarchy escaped there. For your dear neighbours... Well, you see.
Yeah, not really. It wasn't nearly as bloody, granted, but it wasn't exacly peaceful either, with 4000 people dead in total, with battles like the battle of 4th of May and the Battle of Pirajá, both fought in Bahia. It involved quite a lot of troops, with the brazilian army + british and french mercenaries 28,000 men strong and the portuguese army about 18,000 men strong.
I also really hope they someday make one for San Martin. A very important man for South American independence and people from outside Argentina, Chile and Peru don't seem to know anything about who he was
***** I didn't mean to say nobody from outside those 3 countries know anything about him. I wanted to say that mostly south american people know him but the rest of the world don't seem to know who he was
Lucciano Bartolini No tenía idea, que bueno saberlo! Hasta donde yo sé, en Argentina tenemos un monumento a Bolivar en Buenos Aires, en el barrio de Caballito. Obviamente no hay tantas estatuas del libertador venezolano como de San Martín, pero creeme que todos conocemos bien quién fue Simón Bolivar por acá.
As a proud Venezuelan, these videos fill me with joy to see people so interested in pretty much the founding father and human patriotic symbol of our country. It then saddens me to see how the Venezuelan government has devolved from freedom in the recent years and pretty much turned its back on Bolívar while still claiming to praise him. He must be rolling in his grave. Negativity, aside though, greetings from Venezuela, keep doing what you do best!
balamstudios Lo más irónico es que el título de "Bolivariana" se lo puso el mismo gobierno opresor que ahora tiene en dictadura a Venezuela. No tienen vergüenza.
lo de bolivariana era una estúpida idea de idealismo de Chaves que uso como bandera para tratar de unir a varios países latino americanos en caso de que sanciones internacionales de la oea o la onu intervinieran en su contra su gobierno (también comprar ese votos con petroleo) y esa idea se lo pego a todo de echo en Venezuela toda porquería se le agrego lo de bolivariano
Ni quiso unir esos países sino mas bien infiltrar a sus propios gobiernos para obtener el poder sin tener que romper con el sistema que, en caso de hacerlo, manejar todo eso le hubiera también traído consecuencias mayores a las que solo sufren los venezolanos en la actualidad.
They are actually doing exactly what Bolivar did, claim dictatorial power all to themselves, limit all market policies and fight any freedom of speech or opositionto total centralist policies.
Whenever a Protagonist in a story says, "I won't kill you because I'm not like you..." This is why. Paying like for like against your oppressors turns you into the very evil you claimed to oppose.
Sure, I understand. (I don't like the idea of violence, but I can understand when it seems necessary.) But a civil uprising wasn't what Bolivar wanted. He wanted to match the terror and bloodshed of Spain. So when you decide you want to act just like your opponents, don't be surprised when you end up just like them.
There are numerous countries that received either independence or regime change without violent conflict. Most clearly is Belgian Congo. It was owned privately by the Belgian king (not the state) and run by an absolutely evil dictator. When the Belgian people figured out, they said that the king had to pay for his crimes, by giving the colony to the people (read: state) of Belgium. They turned the most horrific colony in history into one of the most well run colonies with the some of the most fair treatment of the native population (but, you know - still a colony).
Not really, no. There are things you should do, and things you shouldn't. Killing murderers is still practiced in many places, fining thieves is just logical, and more moral than imprisoning them for most of their lives. Using force to stop violent people is completely necessary and always will be.
This is excellent. Our independence was pretty much a civil war, considering the high percentage of Venezuelan nationals on both sides. This part is pretty much washed from history by local politicians. Thank you very much for these videos.
The defeat is known as the "fall of the 2nd republic" which was followed by the "exodus to the east" when people of Caracas left so they could scape the llaneros. Also, "llaneros" were those cowboys and a Spaniard general said about them in a letter to the king "your majesty give me a thousand llaneros and I'll put Europe at your feet". Also the Venezuelan war for independence was so violent that British mercenaries would ask for extra payment for fighting in Venezuela. Source: I'm Venezuelan, that's my history.
Christian Lista Nicoloso Llora pues, son las cosas básicas que enseñan en la escuela aunque no me creo todo lo que enseñan ahí; pero esos son pequeños detalles que complementan lo que aparece en el vídeo.
Yep, from all the independence wars in Latin America, Venezuela's was the bloodiest of them all, even war hardened British mercenaries were horrified... and I'm not even touching all the other civil war that came after the independence during the 19th century. But I wish they would have talk about in other episode abou José Tomás "Taita" Rodriguez Boves, the leader of the Legion of Hell. The irony is that the guy leading the "pardos" and the blacks in a class and race war was a Spanish white. To be just with him, he tried to join the independence movement in 1810 offering money and his llaneros, but White Criollos looked at him like dirt for owning a butcher shop and involve himself with the lower classes and finally incarcelate him for being Spanish... Lets say that once he was liberate by royal forces the guy slipped badly, like "badshit crazy" bad
yes he did as did most of southern founders and leaders, and dont forget the New Englanders owned the slave ships, and were just as bad as the southerners tho somehow they got away with it.
Remember most that plead for liberty hardly EVER mean it for those they feel superior to. I guess " liberty and justice for only rich whites " doesnt roll off the tongue the same way...
This man's story is so sad, he wished to setup a a grand United south American Columbian republic, uniting all countries of south America, but so many wished for an independent country of their own and cared so little for their neighbors that as soon as Bolivar retired, his dream of Grand Colombia fell apart almost immediately.
It is tragic indeed, I wish that all of the Americas could unite to make the ultimate F U power to the "old world". Wouldn't that be just the ultimate grand insult? Except Canada, those shifty mother fuckers can go fuck themselves...
[Spoiler alert?] Well, in one point in history, on Peru, Bolivar met with San Martin, a man who was also liberating South America and had pretty much the same ideals as him. I wonder what would happened if after that meeting, instead of giving up because he hadn't economical nor military support from Buenos Aires, he joined Bolivar and toghether unite all the south american countries...
also its way to hard to keep contact between the regions, its way to hard to traverse the jungles and mountains to expect any response from a revolutionary army, the best they could do was to make a lot of isolated revolts, what would make much harder for the spanish to defend, but it would't help at all with unity
There is a simple answer to that. Why did the US revolution worked? All the leaders of the colonies sit down, they got to an agreement of what to do and how it should be ruled and then they went to and actual war. Here in latin america, not a single leader sit down with others and tryied to to do that. Actually, i could guess that the next part of this will introduce Antonio Nariño, one of the leaders of New Granada, aka Colombia, and he was not a fan of Bolivar, specially after he centraliced the power over him. Basically Nariño thought that Bolivar was trying to put monarchy again but under his rule.
England loved how civilized it acted so it didn't behave too cruel in public. Spain on the other hand felt it could burn the entire latin world to the last baby because they had god on their side. This sentiment gave them their hunger to treat us like dogs simply for not being spanish..
The spanish had conquered the Latin world with that attitude, which had served them well against the moors, who well had been a harsh teacher 700 years of brutal religious conflict forged a very bloody and zealous civilization.
I just love getting high and sitting down and clicking on an Extra History episode. It's like sitting down at a campfire and saying, "Tell me a story!"
Was the class specifically focused on South America? A LOT of things happen in history and you can only dig into so many events/periods when you have to cover large stretches. Do you know how many colonies gained independence from European powers over the last few centuries? There are a lot of stories out there.
Im absolutely loving the Bolivar series so far. Your team does a great job consistently, but this series is amazing! Thanks, extra credits! Please keep up the great work!
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These are the dark parts Venezuelan history and education wont show just to keep our national hero pure and flawless~
Except Napoleon declared himself an emperor, Bolívar was more of a dictator. This would be proved when he would help in the creation of the institutions of the third republic. During the second Republic he was more focused on liberating the country and eliminating the spanish influence rather than making institutions, thus, there wasn't a congress this time around.
Rabano Doom He wanted liberty and he owned slaves, he hated Napoleon, yet he did the same thing... in general, Bolívar is a shady guy, and not all historians believe his final goal was to liberate America.
Retax7 Those slaves you talk about raised him from his childhood. He loved them more than anything and you cannot be a rich man in XIX century without them, he treated them very well (as many landowners did in Caracas) and it was for those slaves that he wanted to abolish slavery. In fact, when he made The Great Colombia, one of the laws made were designed so any born slave that got 18 years old would become a free man (with a good amount of money saved since his childhood so he could start out very well). Those who think he was a shady guy, luckily, are a minority because they ignore facts to try to sustain their flawed speeches.
Well, i consider him a shady figure. He did terrible things. Most liberators try to avoid the sith path, while people like bolivar, or guevara and fidel do not care how many innocents or war crimes happen as long as they win their "revolution". A revolution of freedom should never forget that they fight for the people, and innocent civilians shouldn't be sacrificed because it is a price to pay. I mean, you're fighting for thier freedom, what kind of freedom are you trying to create? Because both fidel castro and bolivar wanted to centralize power on themselves, and guevara admited he killed innocents just in case they where not.
Have to say, I really love this Extra History. I'm coming to appreciate history more and more in light of current political and cultural events in the US and around the world. One can only try to imagine the desperation and fear that people ,during this time we're having, especially, once the Legion of Hell, came into play.
Dear Extra Credits, you MUST do a series on Sun Yat-Sen, the founding father of the Republic of China. He is my idol and favorite historical character, please do it for me, and for all of us
They only do stuff that is suggested and voted on Patreon. I feel like I am advertising them since I have mentioned this recently many times but I used to suggest things here too and people should know it is waste of time.
I know right? They already had games taking place during the American Revolution and the French Revolution, this would be a great fit in the series. Maybe after Empire they will do that.
Yep, from all the independence wars in Latin America, Venezuela's was the bloodiest of them all, even war hardened British mercenaries were horrified... and I'm not even touching all the other civil war that came after the independence during the 19th century. But I wish they would have talk about in other episode abou José Tomás "Taita" Boves, the leader of the Legion of Hell. The irony is that the guy leading the "pardos" and the blacks in a class and race war was a Spanish white. To be just with him, he tried to join the independence movement in 1810 offering money and his llaneros, but White Criollos looked at him like dirt for owning a butcher shop and involve himself with the lower classes and finally incarcelate him for being Spanish... Lets say that once he was liberate by royal forces the guy slipped badly, like "badshit crazy" bad
The federal war of venezuela a massacre after another caused by the same hatreds of the war of independence and a bad control of the slave who caused one of the bloody times caused to a great extent by the Monagas brothers and finished with the arrival of the caudillo and Dictator Juan Visente Gomez
I can't help but feel that the episode whitewashed over the legion of Hell as nothing but a bloody, unwarranted disaster, a perspective that never acknowledges the real demands of the Legion. The Legion was not only a brutal force that swept through Venezuela, it was also a force which fought against the Caste system and had a clear emancipatory ideology. Not only that but it represented an entire region in venezuela that was overlooked during the revolution, Los Llanos. To talk about the Legion and not the Llanos, is like talking about Simon Bolivar without mentioning Venezuela. I'm even inclined to point out that most of what we know about the legion is due to the accounts of Criollo, white aristocracy which obviously saw the Llaneros as a barbaric, brutish army with no intention but to kill. Comparison's with the Mongols and Antilla were passed on by accounts written in this time and Paint the legion as nothing close to a political force. But it was a political force. Modern research in the field shows how most of the barbarisms committed by the Legion were mostly mimicries of atrocities already committed by Bolivar, Monteverde or Diaz. There was a clear racialized agenda in the way white aristocracy depicted the Legion as inhumane because it justified the caste system, the llaneros sought to abolish. That is how their real motivations were ignored, and can still be ignored today.
No matter how "justified" they were, brutality doesn't justify brutality and that "white aristocracy" was way more capable of making an actual republic that the llaneros (lead by Boves) ever could.
Good points, but I think the EC crew probably did know about it. One reason they probably left most of that out is that this story focuses on Bolivar. You could spend another ten episodes on that alone. I think EC decided to mostly use them as an example of the sheer brutality of the civil war, and as a lead-in to the brutalities commited by other sides. Although calling themselves the "legion of hell" probably didn't help their case :)
+ElLorenzoMagnifico It was an organization that pretty much wiped the population of each town they conquered. There wasn't too much politics behind them... they never tried to organize anything. It was just an organization created by a psychopat charismatic leader who simply used the hate of the black and brown against whites to make himself an army of outlaws... The only political thing about them was the ''lands for the blacks.''motto, but in the end it didn't lead anywhere. The Legion of Hell can't even be put in the same category as Daesh or the Talibans, as those two trully have some political agenda and acted on it.
I'm so happy I found this channel and that you guys did a video on this. Being from Venezuela it is great to rekindle with our history, brutal as it may be, and listen to a perspective different to that taught in the schools of my time. Thank you.
Geez. Those horrors of war are pretty gruesome, even by wartime standards. But at least it ended, if only by attrition. Maybe that means similar conflicts today could end up running out of steam sooner or later. (I sure hope it's sooner.)
Large conflicts today would end up with the death of billions of people as we bomb central methropoles, panicked every ressemble of infrascturute and start a big and massive nuclear winter which would endure for a decade. We would litterally bomb our away back to a kind of stone age, and the survivors would tell horror stories around bonfires about the unthinkable doom of our humanity, even centuries later the event (as human population slowly recovers, because hell, humans).
Antonio Pedro Pedrosa Simon Bolivar's conflicts were important for Venezuela, but compared to the world as it was at the time, they were nowhere _near_ that major.
Timothy McLean it ended with the treaty of armistice and regularization of war, which is a precedent of modern international laws of treatment to POW, something I hope EH addresses in future videos of this series. Even when the war continued for a couple of years the treaty ceased the atrocities committed by both sides, yet the war was so violent that the country remained unstable for the most of the 19th century, the good thing is that Venezuela became one of the richest countries in the world by the 20th century... And then we got Chavez, who screwed it up.
5:53 You picture them using spears with metal tips, but the term fire-hardened spear refers to a weapon made entirely of wood which has its sharp point hardened by slowly charring it over a fire. This removes moisture from the wood, which makes it harder, if at the same time more brittle.
WOW I did not expect for this story to get _ths_ intense there should be a live action mini series about this guy Like defeat after defeat Simon just keeps coming back, I wonder what he'll do next week in attempt to free Venezuela
I love those latin american history videos, I live in Brazil and here there is this weird cultural isolationism from the rest of latin america (maybe it is because we don't speak spanish) so this isn't mentioned in school, we end up studying a lot more about portugal and the european point of view, not so much the view of our neighbours. Thank you!
It's funny how people in comments go full "he did the same as Napoleon, he is evil, durr", but doesn't even know how oppresive were the spaniards in South America. No matter if you were a child from spanish people, just for borning outside Europe you had no rights at all. Also they couldn't care less for the wellfare of the colonies, they just wanted all the gold. And more than often, they were very violent. I know the swift Bolivar had was a bit contradictory, but i think his ideals were good. I mean, would you like to live in a place like that?
People like Napoleon are only considered evil because they lost. If Julius Caesar was defeated when he marched his army on Rome then we would consider him evil too.
You're right. History is indeed written by the victors. Had Bolivar succeed in uniting a grand republic, it would be almost the wealthiest place in resources and definitely be on of the world's superpower. Not to mention everyone being thankful of Bolivar's actions.
I dont feel pity at all for Spain. Spain was one of the few empires in the world that was openly apathetic to those they took. If they made you into a colony that was a misnomer. Every country they invaded were nothing but slaves at best or obstacles to be murdered for gold most commonly. Spain only cared about Spain and its exteme love of religion meant their god said it was ok to treat us like dirt that their shoes
I find it deeply ironic how many of these early revolutionaries fighting for freedom and equality in North and South America... were slave owners... Edit: My point being that one would assume *literally owning people as property* would be the first thing to go in these revolutions. But instead many of these newly formed countries that supposedly stood for liberty and equality for all people would go on to be built on the backs of chattle slaves. Double edit: After doing some research, it seems Bolivar did release the slaves he owned. Though apparently only if they fought for him, until after the revolution when he freed the rest.
Not really. Many of them were already aristocrats, or "criollos", and they were young enough to be inspired by the French revolution and USA's independence. They were the rich kids who didnt posses the same rights of the people from Spain because they were born in America, and they were treated like second class citezens.
That and this men (both young and old) were fed up with the spanish government, their cast system and almost anything related to them. They even wanted the liberation of the slaves (most of them, at least) and a better treatment for the indians.
Me encantó la animación, es súper buena, la verdad que me ayudaste mucho para hacer mi tarea de historiay pues también para aprender un poco de inglés xD gracias por tus ayuda
At least a mini series or a normal series , even one episode, about the 3rd Crusade would be very helpful, Maybe included with the rise of Saladin and the fall of Jerusalem. Like if you want to see this! Great for revision!
He still was a hero. you are not looking at the big picture here. Spain was just as, if not more cruel than the English. He wanted to united the grand republic, and if it was done successfully, it would be the riches and most powerful super power in the world. However, the governments of the small countries didn't want this because they wanted to rule over their lands by themselves, and greed. Bolivar was backstabbed, and so was the beautiful dream of unity. He didn't want to rule over it forever, in fact he even resigned after 3 years. History is written by the victors, and it's easy to see Bolivar in a bad light. However, he was ultimately South America's chance at becoming like the US, but greed, deception, and division ultimately got in it's way.
Would you guys please cover the Spanish Revolution of 1936, next? If you need prominent figures you have Emma Goldman, Gaston Leval, and George Orwell.
I'm from Spain and, as much as I'd like to see Extra Credits' take on the Spanish Civil War, I must warn that it's a frigging beehive. Yes, even today. As in, we had general elections one year ago, followed by 10 months of political parties being unable to form a government, and during that time the Civil War was still used as a political grenade by politicians, political journalists and scholars on occasion. In general, the wounds have mostly healed, but the they still itch. PS: Those weren't "prominent figures". They were star witnesses. Although, fun fact, Orwell wrote "1984" partly inspired by massacres perpetrated by the Republicans he witnessed.
A small observation on how you drew Venezuela's map, at that time Venezuela still possessed the whole of the Guajira peninsula on the northwest (we lost most of it to Colombia over the course of the 19th and 20th centuries due to bloopers in treaties), and the Esequibo territory on the east (it's a territory that makes up 70% of modern day Guyana, long story short, we lost it to the Brits in 1899 due to a gunpoint arbitration that threatened to take away from us the Orinoco's delta if we didn't accept it). Also, you left out the core part of Bolívar's decree of war to death, it was "Spaniards and Canarians, count on death even if you are indifferent"( Españoles y canarios contad con la muerte aunque seáis indiferentes). And something interesting you can use on the "Lies" segment, there was a Spanish commander in the patriot forces who read it aloud in one of the towns controlled by the second republic, his name was Vicente Campo Elías, and the crowd that heard him was confused because they all knew he was from Spain and there he was promising to spill their blood, he made constant promises that after the independence war he'd put an end to his own life; a promise he didn't need to fulfill, as he met his end in 1814 due to wounds he suffered in the battle of San Mateo.
You're wrong on something, the Essequibo still belongs to Venezuela thanks to the Geneva Treaty of 1966 (in dispute, but still, it belong to us). And it isn't 70% of Guyana, its 1/7 of Venezuela.
I think it'd be pretty awesome to see something done for Jose de San Martin. I was searching for some educational videos to incorporate into lessons on him, and there is so little available in English I found during my digging.
When a group calling itself "The Legion of Hell" aligns itself against you, you've either done something very right, or very wrong.
Beriorn or both
or both...
or both
or both...
Either way you've just become the subject of your own metal album.
Bolívar criticized Napoleon for being a centralizing the power on himself and ending the dreams of revolution, to himself later centralize his power later as he seeks for the independence ending the dreams of revolution. Really interesting swift.
Indeed, I'm just realizing how different Bolivar and San Martin were. San Martin never had any aspirations of power, any time someone offered him one he rejected it, or delegate someone else. That and he always treated POW and spanish royalist with respect, as if they were his own men. There is a even letter were he rejected an small payment from a spanish general to cover the expenses of some prisoners he had taken after a battle.
Revolutions are fragile, much too easy to derail.
bolivar gave up his power
Well... it's an interesting swift, but i don't know if that should demonize him. I don't know very much about Venezuela history, but spaniards weren't such good guys. Everyone who wasn't from spain had no rights at all. I know violence is not the answer, but the intentions were good. Also how can you even make a goverment when you just liberated a country. Besides, it's not as easy as choosing a meal.
But there are differences. Napoleon made himself emperor. Bolivar was a reluctant dictator. After that series of battles (The Admirable Campaign), when he entered Caracas, he received the title of Liberartor of Venezuela, to which he said "This honor is more glorious and fulfilling than the scepter of all empires on Earth." In fact, he step down once the fight was over. His last words were, "Colombians, if my death contributes to the cesaing of the parties and the consolidation of the union, I shall go down in peace to my tomb."
Meanwhile, in Brazil, the king of Portugal is just chillin around with us. No blood, no death.
Pablo Aragon A Extra History about the Portuguese Refugee in Brazil, in 1808 will be incredible funny xD
we have some series about that part of Brazilian history... all of them comedies, because there is no way to tell the history of the portuguese royal family with a serious face
Danilo Oliveira There no way to tell ANY Brazilian story with a serious face, even the Dictatorship in Brazil was a comedy
Brasil: Hey, King of Portugal, can we be independent?
King: Sure, why not?
*The end*
"Portuguese Court: Come back to Portugal you brat
D. Pedro I: No
Portuguese Court: We ORDER you to come back
D. Pedro I: Ok, then I declare independence xD
Portuguese Court: Wut"
And thats how Brazil became independent
As a Venezuelan, I'm surprised how you explain our history better than many teachers in our country. Eager to see the continuation
They're not that better, is just the the current school system in Venezuela sucks, but it used to be very informative (I heard of Boves when I was - like - 10 years old and I still remember those guys for how well they tough it).
Politics and a tendency to turn a blind eye to one's faults, even in one's history.
Not very surprising. Most children in the US are taught that their War of Independence was a struggle for democracy. In real life, it was a naked powergrab by aristocratic elites - only the rich could vote until well into the 19th century. George Washington would have been HORRIFIED by democracy as we understand it today. He actually referred to poor people as "Cattle".
Do the Venezuuelans see him as a hero? I'm just curious
Don’t worry they are better than American teachers too it’s not just you
SOOOO, when was the exact moment Boliver embraced the way of the Sith?
connor vinas hmm, never? this is barely a small episode of an epic, two more tries left just for Venezuelan independence.
Yeah holy shit. Up to this point I was like "yeah he might be a blind idealist but he seems like a pretty awesome guy"
Then suddenly he's given himself all power to more easily wage a ferocious and total war of attrition against the citizens of his home country... Beheading prisoners, enlisting children. This guy sounds worse than Palpatine.
I'd say he's worse then Palpatine as he never used children to do anything lol amoung just his other things he did.
Viva la Vida, anyone???
Wait until Bolivar's Organic Decree in 1828 where he declares himself Dictator, which leads to the Septembrine Conspiration by people who opposed him and failed, and then were later massacred or exiled.
The Legion of Hell sounds like it came out of Berserk
Persona Simon the Venezuelan Llanos were a savage place were strength meant everything. No place for the weak there.
*Googles Berserk The Black Dog Knights.
@@wolfangtorres1587 i born and raised in the llanos of Venezuela and still is lika that, since you are a little child all your family and the community teach you taht the world is for the strength people. It's a sad way of life
The "Legion of Hell," from what information I've found on them, didn't start out as bandits or outlaws. They were men who lived on the Venezuelan plains that were used to life on horseback, a people that were more or less left to their own devices, owing no loyalty to the Spanish or the Republicans.
They were recruited into the war against the Second Republic and became (initially) a 4,000 strong lance cavalry division. Much of the success of the Spanish Royalists against the Republicans during this war is attributed to the Legion as their charges more or less broke Republican forces everywhere they met them.
They were so effective that in the future struggle for Venezuelan independence, the Republicans under Bolivar would end up recruiting them for their cause.
So to write them off as bandits or outlaws is kind of a disservice to their effectiveness as a fighting force.
That's not to say that their methods weren't brutal though. Everywhere they went, civilian rapes, massacres, and all kinds of atrocities followed.
I think there were more like the ancient Huns, since they relied on spears and charges, rather than the Mongols since Mongol tactics revolved more around the use of their superior horse archers and feigned retreats.
Vik Ing when they became a part of the Republican army, they had the 'battle of queseras del medio' where they defeated a +1000 Spaniard division with only 140 men... They only had 2 casualties and it began with a feigned retreat.
Yal Rathol
I didn't say I rooted for them. And in any case, "rooting" for historical figures is strange because we know how things turned out and the scope of how they behaved (i.e. whether they were more bandits than freedom fighters, etc).
The point I was making was that people in the comments section were talking about them as if they were merely outlaws and not one of the key players within the wars of that era. They delivered the First Republican War to the Spanish, and Bolivar courted them for his returning campaigns. That should tell people how important they were as a fighting force.
'where's the line when "effective combat unit" becomes "terrorist band that needs to be stopped"?'
You're arguing two separate things. A fighting force can be both a terrorist faction and an effective combat unit. Those are not mutually exclusive things.
Well, now I'm not noooot gonna Wikipedia "The Legion of Hell".
You won't find it, as it was just one of many nicknames for the llanos/pardo forces. Look up Jose Tomas Boves. He's the guy you're looking for; he was the main warlord in charge of those forces and there are many dark legends surrounding him. Perhaps we'll hear about him in the next episode.
CoopDaddy91 It was Walpole
Impossible, Boves died in the Battle of Puerta (but there were so many that the Patriots still lost), but Extra credits showed his face on this episode.
Lucciano Bartolini Unless my sources are wrong, he actually died at the Battle of Urica in December, months after Puerta.
***** Oh, ok, then I was wrong.
This episode sounds like an Assassin's Creed plot, liberating districts, recruitig people for your cause men like phantoms, sneaking thru jungles and swamps. There are moral dilema's surrounding the cause and the way to achive it and that Legion of Hell suddenly supporting the Spanish just screams Templar. Ubisoft get on with this!
definitely sounds like a great way to tell this story. though who would be the assassin? Just some random Venizualan? Of which class would he be? because that's incredibly important. Was he a Spanish Born Spanish blood? Foreign Born Spanish blood? Mix Blooded? Black? Native?
Much better than AC Rogue or Liberation
It's hard to choose a side because really neither is good. But I think the Assassins would likely with revolutionaries because it's more progressive. The issue with them is that they were slave owners and Ubisoft can't risk the controversy of a main character that is for independance but also fine with slavery. However if they could handle show the good and bad of both sides it could be great.
Zodayn that is what they did with Assassin's Creed 3
Yeah. Remember when Ezio owned a dozen slaves and enlisted children to be his new assassins?
1:13
Is that... is that... _the appropriate flag for the the time period_?
*What sorcery is this?*
DON'T SAY IT SO LOUDLY! The flag demons will come after us again...
I was just about to type that !
talking about flags, at 0:34, is that also the appropiate flag? And at 2:29, what's the bridge name?
The flags. Always the flags.
Not to worry. If the flag demons come, they'll have to answer to me and my hammer!
Defeat has only fired Bolívar's lust for revenge against the Spanish - and freedom at any cost. But his conviction threatens to lead him astray.
There is no "main language". You can technically use any language, but there are development engines, like Unreal and Unity that you can use.
Animation Smart I'm finishing my Cs degree, so I'll try to explain. Java, C++, C#, Python. The list goes on. These languages can be used to create theoretically any program. There is no "best" option. The strength and weaknesses of these languages do not translate directly to making games. Unreal and unity are the most widely used.
Asking for what the best language to code a specific game is like asking for the best language to write poetry or literature in. There just isn't an objective answer.
Animation Smart Java or C++. These are the "starter" languages for most
Extra Credits its san martin coming up on next episode?
When you guys started this series I feeared that you'll only cover the 'good' parts of Bolívar. Yet, you are telling his true history. I am a fan of San Martin, which liberated most south America in a very different way, and was a rightful man and a brilliant general.
Man, i dint knew Latin America independence was so bloody. I am from Brazil and our independence was fairly peacefull.
Because Portugal was taken by Nappy, and you became "the metropoli" de facto, as the Portuguese monarchy escaped there.
For your dear neighbours... Well, you see.
There was an Brazillian war of indence just not that bloody
Yeah, not really.
It wasn't nearly as bloody, granted, but it wasn't exacly peaceful either, with 4000 people dead in total, with battles like the battle of 4th of May and the Battle of Pirajá, both fought in Bahia. It involved quite a lot of troops, with the brazilian army + british and french mercenaries 28,000 men strong and the portuguese army about 18,000 men strong.
Well... we did annihilate Paraguay... But thats never properly mentioned in school so not many people remember this fact
Super Velociraptor Triple alliance?
You guys have to do a series on Jose de San Martin. He's always overshadowed by Bolivar but probably just as important.
Ask them on Patreon.
I also really hope they someday make one for San Martin. A very important man for South American independence and people from outside Argentina, Chile and Peru don't seem to know anything about who he was
Valdox Here in Venezuela we have (in Caracas) a Plaza named after him. And he's always mentioned whenever we talk about Bolívar going to Perú.
***** I didn't mean to say nobody from outside those 3 countries know anything about him. I wanted to say that mostly south american people know him but the rest of the world don't seem to know who he was
Lucciano Bartolini No tenía idea, que bueno saberlo! Hasta donde yo sé, en Argentina tenemos un monumento a Bolivar en Buenos Aires, en el barrio de Caballito. Obviamente no hay tantas estatuas del libertador venezolano como de San Martín, pero creeme que todos conocemos bien quién fue Simón Bolivar por acá.
As a proud Venezuelan, these videos fill me with joy to see people so interested in pretty much the founding father and human patriotic symbol of our country. It then saddens me to see how the Venezuelan government has devolved from freedom in the recent years and pretty much turned its back on Bolívar while still claiming to praise him. He must be rolling in his grave. Negativity, aside though, greetings from Venezuela, keep doing what you do best!
balamstudios Lo más irónico es que el título de "Bolivariana" se lo puso el mismo gobierno opresor que ahora tiene en dictadura a Venezuela. No tienen vergüenza.
lo de bolivariana era una estúpida idea de idealismo de Chaves que uso como bandera para tratar de unir a varios países latino americanos en caso de que sanciones internacionales de la oea o la onu intervinieran en su contra su gobierno (también comprar ese votos con petroleo) y esa idea se lo pego a todo de echo en Venezuela toda porquería se le agrego lo de bolivariano
Ignacio Pulido Precisamente. La palabra básicamente no significa nada.
Ni quiso unir esos países sino mas bien infiltrar a sus propios gobiernos para obtener el poder sin tener que romper con el sistema que, en caso de hacerlo, manejar todo eso le hubiera también traído consecuencias mayores a las que solo sufren los venezolanos en la actualidad.
They are actually doing exactly what Bolivar did, claim dictatorial power all to themselves, limit all market policies and fight any freedom of speech or opositionto total centralist policies.
Whenever a Protagonist in a story says, "I won't kill you because I'm not like you..." This is why. Paying like for like against your oppressors turns you into the very evil you claimed to oppose.
Yeah but they usually kill thousands of underlings on their way to that final conflict, so those words are voided long before they're uttered.
Still, the logic stands, proved time and again. But since when did people ever let a silly thing like logic stand in the way of a nice bloodbath?
Sure, I understand. (I don't like the idea of violence, but I can understand when it seems necessary.) But a civil uprising wasn't what Bolivar wanted. He wanted to match the terror and bloodshed of Spain. So when you decide you want to act just like your opponents, don't be surprised when you end up just like them.
There are numerous countries that received either independence or regime change without violent conflict. Most clearly is Belgian Congo. It was owned privately by the Belgian king (not the state) and run by an absolutely evil dictator. When the Belgian people figured out, they said that the king had to pay for his crimes, by giving the colony to the people (read: state) of Belgium. They turned the most horrific colony in history into one of the most well run colonies with the some of the most fair treatment of the native population (but, you know - still a colony).
Not really, no. There are things you should do, and things you shouldn't. Killing murderers is still practiced in many places, fining thieves is just logical, and more moral than imprisoning them for most of their lives. Using force to stop violent people is completely necessary and always will be.
This is excellent. Our independence was pretty much a civil war, considering the high percentage of Venezuelan nationals on both sides. This part is pretty much washed from history by local politicians. Thank you very much for these videos.
The defeat is known as the "fall of the 2nd republic" which was followed by the "exodus to the east" when people of Caracas left so they could scape the llaneros.
Also, "llaneros" were those cowboys and a Spaniard general said about them in a letter to the king "your majesty give me a thousand llaneros and I'll put Europe at your feet".
Also the Venezuelan war for independence was so violent that British mercenaries would ask for extra payment for fighting in Venezuela.
Source: I'm Venezuelan, that's my history.
Christian Lista Nicoloso Llora pues, son las cosas básicas que enseñan en la escuela aunque no me creo todo lo que enseñan ahí; pero esos son pequeños detalles que complementan lo que aparece en el vídeo.
Yep, from all the independence wars in Latin America, Venezuela's was the bloodiest of them all, even war hardened British mercenaries were horrified... and I'm not even touching all the other civil war that came after the independence during the 19th century.
But I wish they would have talk about in other episode abou José Tomás "Taita" Rodriguez Boves, the leader of the Legion of Hell. The irony is that the guy leading the "pardos" and the blacks in a class and race war was a Spanish white. To be just with him, he tried to join the independence movement in 1810 offering money and his llaneros, but White Criollos looked at him like dirt for owning a butcher shop and involve himself with the lower classes and finally incarcelate him for being Spanish... Lets say that once he was liberate by royal forces the guy slipped badly, like "badshit crazy" bad
the irony of a slave owner wanting to be free...
Croco He realized that, too.
Did you forget about Washington? He also owned slaves
yes he did as did most of southern founders and leaders, and dont forget the New Englanders owned the slave ships, and were just as bad as the southerners tho somehow they got away with it.
Remember most that plead for liberty hardly EVER mean it for those they feel superior to. I guess " liberty and justice for only rich whites " doesnt roll off the tongue the same way...
Mr. Turtle Man George Washington actually wanted to free his Slaves but couldn’t do so until death since he was in debt.
Curacao is pronounced Kurr-a-sow.
-Someone who lives on Curacao.
is also written Curaçao.
I know, i was too lazy to add that annoying little squiggly C.
The squiggly on the C clarifies that pronunciation immediately. It is basically the same letter as ß in Germanic and ss in English.
Currie cow
This man's story is so sad, he wished to setup a a grand United south American Columbian republic, uniting all countries of south America, but so many wished for an independent country of their own and cared so little for their neighbors that as soon as Bolivar retired, his dream of Grand Colombia fell apart almost immediately.
It is tragic indeed, I wish that all of the Americas could unite to make the ultimate F U power to the "old world". Wouldn't that be just the ultimate grand insult?
Except Canada, those shifty mother fuckers can go fuck themselves...
the south american countries diverge way to much in ideologies to expect any unity... sadly
[Spoiler alert?]
Well, in one point in history, on Peru, Bolivar met with San Martin, a man who was also liberating South America and had pretty much the same ideals as him. I wonder what would happened if after that meeting, instead of giving up because he hadn't economical nor military support from Buenos Aires, he joined Bolivar and toghether unite all the south american countries...
also its way to hard to keep contact between the regions, its way to hard to traverse the jungles and mountains to expect any response from a revolutionary army, the best they could do was to make a lot of isolated revolts, what would make much harder for the spanish to defend, but it would't help at all with unity
There is a simple answer to that. Why did the US revolution worked? All the leaders of the colonies sit down, they got to an agreement of what to do and how it should be ruled and then they went to and actual war. Here in latin america, not a single leader sit down with others and tryied to to do that.
Actually, i could guess that the next part of this will introduce Antonio Nariño, one of the leaders of New Granada, aka Colombia, and he was not a fan of Bolivar, specially after he centraliced the power over him. Basically Nariño thought that Bolivar was trying to put monarchy again but under his rule.
I would definitely like an entire series of the Legion of Hell
The American Revolution seems almost peaceful when compared to some of history's most violent revolutions
Yes the the American revolution was in fact a conservative one as opposed to the French or the "Bolivarian" ones.
England loved how civilized it acted so it didn't behave too cruel in public.
Spain on the other hand felt it could burn the entire latin world to the last baby because they had god on their side. This sentiment gave them their hunger to treat us like dogs simply for not being spanish..
The spanish had conquered the Latin world with that attitude, which had served them well against the moors, who well had been a harsh teacher 700 years of brutal religious conflict forged a very bloody and zealous civilization.
Wanna say that the picture of panic filling the streets was really well done, made me feel emotions.
1:31 Simon bolavar got a small loan of a Million dollers
a Million dabloons*
Baloons
a loan of a million Racoons
A million dragoons.
The Russians will tremble before their fancy-hatted glory.
Ok guys I just wanted to make a joke about Donald trump and his loan so please don't give me controversy for it.
I just love getting high and sitting down and clicking on an Extra History episode. It's like sitting down at a campfire and saying, "Tell me a story!"
Screwgo Ogleplus I've binged them so much
Wow I'm surprised that my history class spent less than a day on bolivar this year, we never even mentioned the legion of hell
Was the class specifically focused on South America? A LOT of things happen in history and you can only dig into so many events/periods when you have to cover large stretches. Do you know how many colonies gained independence from European powers over the last few centuries? There are a lot of stories out there.
Iampikachu21 the leguion Was a grup of generals the most imprtan, and crule a espanis of cost (fron de canaria ailand) Bobes
Im absolutely loving the Bolivar series so far. Your team does a great job consistently, but this series is amazing! Thanks, extra credits! Please keep up the great work!
These are the dark parts Venezuelan history and education wont show just to keep our national hero pure and flawless~
Wow, the Legion of Hell makes Negan's thugs look like choir boys in comparison. How can people become so fucked up?
I'm surprised that we haven't seem this legion of hell group used for antagonists/backstory in more works of historical fiction.
One chapter of San Martin would be epic.
Maximiliano Smith as well as Antonio Nariño
:o Sweet mercy that got grimdark as hell FAST.
6:50 Wasn't he...wasn't he incredibly angry at napoleon for doing the exact same thing? Wow, he's a hypocrite too!
Rabano Doom see cgp grey "rules for rulers" for an explanation
Except Napoleon declared himself an emperor, Bolívar was more of a dictator. This would be proved when he would help in the creation of the institutions of the third republic. During the second Republic he was more focused on liberating the country and eliminating the spanish influence rather than making institutions, thus, there wasn't a congress this time around.
Rabano Doom He wanted liberty and he owned slaves, he hated Napoleon, yet he did the same thing... in general, Bolívar is a shady guy, and not all historians believe his final goal was to liberate America.
Retax7 Those slaves you talk about raised him from his childhood. He loved them more than anything and you cannot be a rich man in XIX century without them, he treated them very well (as many landowners did in Caracas) and it was for those slaves that he wanted to abolish slavery.
In fact, when he made The Great Colombia, one of the laws made were designed so any born slave that got 18 years old would become a free man (with a good amount of money saved since his childhood so he could start out very well).
Those who think he was a shady guy, luckily, are a minority because they ignore facts to try to sustain their flawed speeches.
Well, i consider him a shady figure. He did terrible things. Most liberators try to avoid the sith path, while people like bolivar, or guevara and fidel do not care how many innocents or war crimes happen as long as they win their "revolution". A revolution of freedom should never forget that they fight for the people, and innocent civilians shouldn't be sacrificed because it is a price to pay. I mean, you're fighting for thier freedom, what kind of freedom are you trying to create? Because both fidel castro and bolivar wanted to centralize power on themselves, and guevara admited he killed innocents just in case they where not.
This needed to be 2 episodes... The Legion of Hell did not need to just pop up out of nowhere like this.
Great series, could you do one on San Martin who was liberating countries in the south half of South America?
Have to say, I really love this Extra History. I'm coming to appreciate history more and more in light of current political and cultural events in the US and around the world. One can only try to imagine the desperation and fear that people ,during this time we're having, especially, once the Legion of Hell, came into play.
I'm surprised you talked about the Infernal Legion but not of José Tomás Boves.
Dear Extra Credits, you MUST do a series on Sun Yat-Sen, the founding father of the Republic of China.
He is my idol and favorite historical character, please do it for me, and for all of us
They only do stuff that is suggested and voted on Patreon. I feel like I am advertising them since I have mentioned this recently many times but I used to suggest things here too and people should know it is waste of time.
They have one now! That's the guy literally brought me here.
I want an Assassin's Creed game set in this time period, I think it will be awesome
I know right? They already had games taking place during the American Revolution and the French Revolution, this would be a great fit in the series. Maybe after Empire they will do that.
Wow. This is a dark Fire Emblem game
This isn't fire emblem, this is real life history.
A Fire Emblem game based on Latin America would be pretty sweet.
Yep, from all the independence wars in Latin America, Venezuela's was the bloodiest of them all, even war hardened British mercenaries were horrified... and I'm not even touching all the other civil war that came after the independence during the 19th century.
But I wish they would have talk about in other episode abou José Tomás "Taita" Boves, the leader of the Legion of Hell. The irony is that the guy leading the "pardos" and the blacks in a class and race war was a Spanish white. To be just with him, he tried to join the independence movement in 1810 offering money and his llaneros, but White Criollos looked at him like dirt for owning a butcher shop and involve himself with the lower classes and finally incarcelate him for being Spanish... Lets say that once he was liberate by royal forces the guy slipped badly, like "badshit crazy" bad
The federal war of venezuela a massacre after another caused by the same hatreds of the war of independence and a bad control of the slave who caused one of the bloody times caused to a great extent by the Monagas brothers and finished with the arrival of the caudillo and Dictator Juan Visente Gomez
That's a bit redundant, but in the long run you are right.
I can't help but feel that the episode whitewashed over the legion of Hell as nothing but a bloody, unwarranted disaster, a perspective that never acknowledges the real demands of the Legion. The Legion was not only a brutal force that swept through Venezuela, it was also a force which fought against the Caste system and had a clear emancipatory ideology. Not only that but it represented an entire region in venezuela that was overlooked during the revolution, Los Llanos. To talk about the Legion and not the Llanos, is like talking about Simon Bolivar without mentioning Venezuela.
I'm even inclined to point out that most of what we know about the legion is due to the accounts of Criollo, white aristocracy which obviously saw the Llaneros as a barbaric, brutish army with no intention but to kill. Comparison's with the Mongols and Antilla were passed on by accounts written in this time and Paint the legion as nothing close to a political force. But it was a political force. Modern research in the field shows how most of the barbarisms committed by the Legion were mostly mimicries of atrocities already committed by Bolivar, Monteverde or Diaz. There was a clear racialized agenda in the way white aristocracy depicted the Legion as inhumane because it justified the caste system, the llaneros sought to abolish. That is how their real motivations were ignored, and can still be ignored today.
Thank you for enlightening me
No matter how "justified" they were, brutality doesn't justify brutality and that "white aristocracy" was way more capable of making an actual republic that the llaneros (lead by Boves) ever could.
Good points, but I think the EC crew probably did know about it.
One reason they probably left most of that out is that this story focuses on Bolivar. You could spend another ten episodes on that alone. I think EC decided to mostly use them as an example of the sheer brutality of the civil war, and as a lead-in to the brutalities commited by other sides.
Although calling themselves the "legion of hell" probably didn't help their case :)
+ElLorenzoMagnifico It was an organization that pretty much wiped the population of each town they conquered. There wasn't too much politics behind them... they never tried to organize anything. It was just an organization created by a psychopat charismatic leader who simply used the hate of the black and brown against whites to make himself an army of outlaws... The only political thing about them was the ''lands for the blacks.''motto, but in the end it didn't lead anywhere. The Legion of Hell can't even be put in the same category as Daesh or the Talibans, as those two trully have some political agenda and acted on it.
We'll wait for the Lies episode, and hopefully they'll address this.
I'm so happy I found this channel and that you guys did a video on this. Being from Venezuela it is great to rekindle with our history, brutal as it may be, and listen to a perspective different to that taught in the schools of my time. Thank you.
Being a Venezuelan I love these episodes, thanks
Geez. Those horrors of war are pretty gruesome, even by wartime standards.
But at least it ended, if only by attrition. Maybe that means similar conflicts today could end up running out of steam sooner or later. (I sure hope it's sooner.)
Large conflicts today would end up with the death of billions of people as we bomb central methropoles, panicked every ressemble of infrascturute and start a big and massive nuclear winter which would endure for a decade.
We would litterally bomb our away back to a kind of stone age, and the survivors would tell horror stories around bonfires about the unthinkable doom of our humanity, even centuries later the event (as human population slowly recovers, because hell, humans).
Antonio Pedro Pedrosa Simon Bolivar's conflicts were important for Venezuela, but compared to the world as it was at the time, they were nowhere _near_ that major.
Timothy McLean it ended with the treaty of armistice and regularization of war, which is a precedent of modern international laws of treatment to POW, something I hope EH addresses in future videos of this series.
Even when the war continued for a couple of years the treaty ceased the atrocities committed by both sides, yet the war was so violent that the country remained unstable for the most of the 19th century, the good thing is that Venezuela became one of the richest countries in the world by the 20th century... And then we got Chavez, who screwed it up.
Perhaps one of the best narration yet. Keep up the good work
Please make your next Extra History on the topic of the year of the Four Emperors. That would be awesome.
Simon Bolivar would've been proud to hear that Infinity Ward made up Federacion de las Americas from COD:GHOSTS.
5:53 You picture them using spears with metal tips, but the term fire-hardened spear refers to a weapon made entirely of wood which has its sharp point hardened by slowly charring it over a fire. This removes moisture from the wood, which makes it harder, if at the same time more brittle.
You can harden metal by heating and cooling it fast afterwards
CR IMF It's a technical term with a specific meaning. Also you don't temper steel on an open flame, you have to use a furnace.
Another healthy dose of History on Saturday. Thanks, Extra Credits.
Damnit Walpole, did it again
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you."
As Nietzsche once said: Let he who fights monsters beware lest he become a monster himself...
Great video bro! 😉
Bolivar really is the prime example of how good intentions mixed with unjustifiable actions can ruin anything.
Hey guys, love this channel. But one request, could you do a mini episode on the history of the Irish plantations
Thanks!
Are you familiar with this irishhistorypodcast.ie/podcast-directory/?
That's very good, but I would rather like the extra credits take on this subject
Bolívar: *wants a united Latin America*
Future Latin America: HAH, no
WOW I did not expect for this story to get _ths_ intense
there should be a live action mini series about this guy
Like defeat after defeat Simon just keeps coming back, I wonder what he'll do next week in attempt to free Venezuela
I live on Venezuela! I saw this on history class!, Simon Bolivar is my idol 👍👍. thank you for this
I love those latin american history videos, I live in Brazil and here there is this weird cultural isolationism from the rest of latin america (maybe it is because we don't speak spanish) so this isn't mentioned in school, we end up studying a lot more about portugal and the european point of view, not so much the view of our neighbours. Thank you!
I am learning about this time period in class, It is cool to see what other things were happening.
Hey, folks at extra credits! I love you guys, especially those Mailbag episodes you did years ago, ^^^^
10/10 best series so far
As a fellow Simon I appreciate someone doing a series on the historical figure I was named after
:v
l just love these extra history videos
this makes learning history so fun
Simón be like, "I'm going anyway."
I wonder how many tales have moments like that.
1:29 A small loan of a million dollars.
It's funny how people in comments go full "he did the same as Napoleon, he is evil, durr", but doesn't even know how oppresive were the spaniards in South America. No matter if you were a child from spanish people, just for borning outside Europe you had no rights at all. Also they couldn't care less for the wellfare of the colonies, they just wanted all the gold. And more than often, they were very violent.
I know the swift Bolivar had was a bit contradictory, but i think his ideals were good. I mean, would you like to live in a place like that?
Napoleon was not quite evil either.
People like Napoleon are only considered evil because they lost. If Julius Caesar was defeated when he marched his army on Rome then we would consider him evil too.
well if you were black or mestizo is clear that you wouldn't liked.
You're right.
History is indeed written by the victors. Had Bolivar succeed in uniting a grand republic, it would be almost the wealthiest place in resources and definitely be on of the world's superpower. Not to mention everyone being thankful of Bolivar's actions.
I dont feel pity at all for Spain. Spain was one of the few empires in the world that was openly apathetic to those they took. If they made you into a colony that was a misnomer. Every country they invaded were nothing but slaves at best or obstacles to be murdered for gold most commonly. Spain only cared about Spain and its exteme love of religion meant their god said it was ok to treat us like dirt that their shoes
Bolivar's seems a lot like Griffith actually
A less successful Griffith maybe. But the legion of hell does sound like Wyald's wild dogs.
Thanks for the upload! Any hint on who may be next for ECH? Love the show! Keep up the amazing work fellers
I find it deeply ironic how many of these early revolutionaries fighting for freedom and equality in North and South America... were slave owners...
Edit: My point being that one would assume *literally owning people as property* would be the first thing to go in these revolutions. But instead many of these newly formed countries that supposedly stood for liberty and equality for all people would go on to be built on the backs of chattle slaves.
Double edit: After doing some research, it seems Bolivar did release the slaves he owned. Though apparently only if they fought for him, until after the revolution when he freed the rest.
Not really. Many of them were already aristocrats, or "criollos", and they were young enough to be inspired by the French revolution and USA's independence. They were the rich kids who didnt posses the same rights of the people from Spain because they were born in America, and they were treated like second class citezens.
That and this men (both young and old) were fed up with the spanish government, their cast system and almost anything related to them. They even wanted the liberation of the slaves (most of them, at least) and a better treatment for the indians.
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do the mongols! !!!!!!!!
if you want them to do something you need to become a patreon as they put up votes for the next subject
They have already been done to death by everybody.
They need to do history still unknown to most.
mangonels!
Your wish has been fulfiled mongols seris will start this saturday
The Legion of Hell has a problem in this series. Their horses are too dang cute.
Because in the grim darkness of the past, there is only war...
Please do a series on the Philippine Revolution and the Philippine-American War.
>Fights for freedom
>Sad because his *slaves* were taken away
The concept of freedom was different back then, they dont want more Spanish rule and that is what they called freedom
Things go from 0 to 100 in a matter of one video.
@Extra Credits
The story of Emir Abdelkader of Algeria is also incredible.
Please do an Extra History Episode of his life and accomplishments.
Me encantó la animación, es súper buena, la verdad que me ayudaste mucho para hacer mi tarea de historiay pues también para aprender un poco de inglés xD gracias por tus ayuda
You guys should do a series on the life of Sir Winston Churchill
Imagine what would Simon Bolivar think of if he sees Venezuela today.
You guys should do a series on General Issac Brock.
ALSO are you guys gonna talk about masonry? because its pretty important to the south american campaigns
Legion of Hell? Jesus Christ! something right out of a fantasy novel.
At least a mini series or a normal series , even one episode, about the 3rd Crusade would be very helpful, Maybe included with the rise of Saladin and the fall of Jerusalem. Like if you want to see this! Great for revision!
Listening to this story, it really makes me think that he would be a very fitting protagonist for an Assassin's Creed game for some reason.
Although Age of Empires III has many faults. Their Bolivar campaign was always my favorite!
What I learned is; You don’t mess with Simón
My lack of historical knowledge makes me somewhat surprised that he was allowed more than one opportunity to attempt revolution.
He DID have to take refuge on a third party's island to wait for his next opportunity though.
thank extra credits so much
Bolivar's story really reminds me of the quote from Dark Knight
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Herman Kinnmalm oh you still have only hear the beginning of his story, this is bigger than heroism or villainy
Wolfang Torres yeah I guess there isn't only black and with in life
He still was a hero. you are not looking at the big picture here.
Spain was just as, if not more cruel than the English. He wanted to united the grand republic, and if it was done successfully, it would be the riches and most powerful super power in the world. However, the governments of the small countries didn't want this because they wanted to rule over their lands by themselves, and greed. Bolivar was backstabbed, and so was the beautiful dream of unity. He didn't want to rule over it forever, in fact he even resigned after 3 years.
History is written by the victors, and it's easy to see Bolivar in a bad light. However, he was ultimately South America's chance at becoming like the US, but greed, deception, and division ultimately got in it's way.
I am hoping you guys discuss also about the Philippine Revolution.
Would you guys please cover the Spanish Revolution of 1936, next? If you need prominent figures you have Emma Goldman, Gaston Leval, and George Orwell.
I'm from Spain and, as much as I'd like to see Extra Credits' take on the Spanish Civil War, I must warn that it's a frigging beehive. Yes, even today. As in, we had general elections one year ago, followed by 10 months of political parties being unable to form a government, and during that time the Civil War was still used as a political grenade by politicians, political journalists and scholars on occasion.
In general, the wounds have mostly healed, but the they still itch.
PS: Those weren't "prominent figures". They were star witnesses. Although, fun fact, Orwell wrote "1984" partly inspired by massacres perpetrated by the Republicans he witnessed.
My understanding is that around 1920 is their cut off, specifically for the reason of avoiding political messes like that.
A small observation on how you drew Venezuela's map, at that time Venezuela still possessed the whole of the Guajira peninsula on the northwest (we lost most of it to Colombia over the course of the 19th and 20th centuries due to bloopers in treaties), and the Esequibo territory on the east (it's a territory that makes up 70% of modern day Guyana, long story short, we lost it to the Brits in 1899 due to a gunpoint arbitration that threatened to take away from us the Orinoco's delta if we didn't accept it).
Also, you left out the core part of Bolívar's decree of war to death, it was "Spaniards and Canarians, count on death even if you are indifferent"( Españoles y canarios contad con la muerte aunque seáis indiferentes). And something interesting you can use on the "Lies" segment, there was a Spanish commander in the patriot forces who read it aloud in one of the towns controlled by the second republic, his name was Vicente Campo Elías, and the crowd that heard him was confused because they all knew he was from Spain and there he was promising to spill their blood, he made constant promises that after the independence war he'd put an end to his own life; a promise he didn't need to fulfill, as he met his end in 1814 due to wounds he suffered in the battle of San Mateo.
You're wrong on something, the Essequibo still belongs to Venezuela thanks to the Geneva Treaty of 1966 (in dispute, but still, it belong to us). And it isn't 70% of Guyana, its 1/7 of Venezuela.
Love this series
I think it'd be pretty awesome to see something done for Jose de San Martin. I was searching for some educational videos to incorporate into lessons on him, and there is so little available in English I found during my digging.
The two Russian Revolutions in the 20th century and the Civil War!!! That would be interesting but also a long series