@@NEVILLEGROVE hi Steve, Yes they’re really easy to get into, I’m currently making the video talking about it going live later on tonight. Cheers, Ross
@@markmills4619 Thanks for watching, no worries there’s a unique sound to this particular train that had to be shared. My usual running session videos I rather had the musical sound track but every now and then I’ll throw one in like this. Thanks for watching, Ross.
Great review and thanks for showing how to connect the coaches which was well explained the coaches look fantastic just waiting for my final deliveries today of the four packs.I thought your idea of running two five car trains was a really good idea so I may have to find an extra beavertail observation as I only have one on order from hornby but yeah well presented video and great running session well done and thanks
@@andrewmeah3082 thank you for watching. I will make an omission that upon actually attempting to make two four car trains it’s not quite possible. But I think I’ve cracked it and will have to do a slight mod to one of the brake coaches (Coach H) so that both open thirds are not attached to the centre bogie. Once I’ve done this I shall make a video showing that process. I too will have to source the additional beaver tail for this concept too. Thanks for watching, Ross
Beautiful rolling stock, not so beautiful is misnaming LNER # 4492 Dominion of New Zealand not Commonwealth etc, which was only ever applied to LNER # 4491Commonwealth of Australia. Everything else is great and your passion shows through, one little mistake does not define you, none of us, especially me, are perfect. More videos please, lets see what you've got, I know it will be good.
@@paulsmith6616 Thank you, that’s why I added the correction in whilst editing the video regarding the name and I also saw a photo of an A3 filling in for a failed A4. Please check out my latest video where I explain all that’s coming up over the next year. 2025 will be quiet as I finish up a few projects but there will be a few videos here and there. The real revival is planned into be march 2026. Thanks for watching and hope you enjoyed it. Ross
Beautiful set - Years ago I tried to make the Kirk/Mailcoach kits - It didn't go well. ( The new Isinglass kits look much, much better but you undersell the time, tools and talent required to complete - Also it is unclear if you get transfers or wheels or couplings... all will add to the cost of the build ) Regarding the 1990s kits I had ( and failed miserably to complete - not everyone's experience will be the same) The kits back then were low run plastic with all of its compromises -lots of flash and no surfaces were fully smooth. The interior parts were basic and did not bear close inspection. Each side was moulded in clear plastic so an horrific clean up and masking job inside and out. The parts had no positive location points so you would have to create jigs to make each coach properly square and true (Difficult with the natural warpage of the parts). The paint job would require a full re-surfacing of the coach sides to make it smooth and to sharpen up all the trims that would be painted silver - a true labour of the master craftsman. The beavertail was appalling and you would have to scratch build the entire glazed section. The Hornby set would have bailed me out of that utter fiasco. The added bonus is a good looking interior with lighting. A coupling system that at the very least allows the train to enter a curve and seems to couple without a 3 yard gap. Finally the paint finish and especially the silver markings are well beyond what most of us to achieve at home. Would the £200 difference in price get you a professionally finished kit set (Think of it as just 20 hours to complete the entire rake and even then I am dramatically under valuing the skill and talent involved)
@@digitalcareline hello, I fully understand the time and skills needed to build rolling stock from the ground up having built several O gauge locomotives, parkside, ratio etc kits from the ground up. I’ve just presented it at face value cost of RTR vs Cost of the kits. I even stated as such that I couldn’t build a kit of these coaches to the level of which hornby had achieved. I must admit it was a mistake on my part to think people could use their own minds and weigh up the cost of the kits plus time and consumables vs the price of ready to go stock. So I apologise. Hence my full recommendation on these coaches. I hope this clarifies things for you and I also apologise that it upset you as to comment about this matter. Never was the intention. Regards, Ross
@@Madonsteamrailways You may want to point that out to hornby as on the box it’s stated as Marlborough blue. It may have been the same colour but called different things. But yes it’s prototypical for its time period. I believe they scanned/sampled the colour from the one in Margate. Thanks for watching, Ross
Hi. Cheers for the review. I very knowledgeable chap said to me that different classes of coaches had different lighting. With obviously the best lights for 1st. Do you think this is what happened? Cheers. Dave.
@@supstersmodelrailways3202 Thanks for watching Dave, I would assume that’s the case mate as well as the differences in interior colouring having a baring too. Thanks again for watching, Ross
@@JPoulAndersson Thank you for watching and you comment. They’re not the cheapest but worth it. If you’re on the fence about them I really recommend them before stocks run out. Regards from the uk, Ross
@@rossnation8092 Thanks for the recommendation. Where can you buy them? I looked in the Hornby webstore, and they don't seem to be available. I'm also in the US so I need a dealer that ships to the US.
Are coaches B & F both the same (coach F hidden by a Pepsi can)? Both have frosted-over windows. What do those coaches represent? Kitchen cars? This set may be expensive (something like £900.00 with the locomotive & the beaver-tail coach) but I'm blown away by the quality. Things have moved on since the days of Tri-ang Edit: Due to the expense, I can't see Sam from Sam's Trains reviewing this, at least for a few years
@@lynnmorton7544 hello, Yes they’re both kitchen thirds, I shall type the formation here for you; Coach A Brake Third, Coach B Kitchen Third, Coach C Open First Coach D Open First Coach E Open Third Coach F Kitchen Third Coach G Open Third Coach H Brake Third Observation car. The quality of these models is astonishing, the livery application and foil effect are superb. I wish I could match this level in my own work. Thanks for watching, Ross Edit; I think now Bachmann have announced those LNWR coaches at £110 each the £40 difference doesn’t seem too bad. But I agree I don’t think it’ll be anytime soon he touches these.
Each pack of two has an RRP of £149.99 and the Observation car £82 so a total RRP of £682 so not £900 but still not cheap, except compared to Bachmann's insane prices for the new unlit LNWR coaches. Nine of those would cost just under £1000! However few people are foolish enough to pay the RRP which has gone up twice since they first went on pre-order. Initially it was £99.99 then £124.99 I missed the early pre-order as I couldn't afford them at the time, but got them at the second price and used a 10% off voucher code so I paid £575, but also got 15% reward points worth £86.25. If you factor that in too they cost £489. That works out as just over £54 per coach which for a high detail coach with lights isn't too terrible.
The West Riding had eight carriages, not six! Four sets of eight carriages were built, one each for the North and Southbound Coronation, one for the out and back West Riding and an unbranded spare set. The latter could be used on any of the streamlined trains, including the Silver Jubilee. Gresley A1 locomotives were not un-superheated!
@@AndrewTeale-cy3dw Oh right!! I was informed it was six. Perhaps I got it confused with the shortened ‘brake test’ rake perhaps?. Everyday is a school day, maybe yourself or someone as knowledgeable as yourself could produce a video on the train sets and discuss more into the diagrams, technical information and details of the coaches? I’d happily watch it as with knowledge I can apply it going forward to modifying another set into the west riding. I find loads of people withhold information rather than share it just to use as a whipping stick on online forums and it’s such a shame as we loose the information to time then as generations pass. Thanks for watching, Ross
@@rossnation8092 The sets were identical for the two services, except for the branding 'Coronation' or 'West Riding'. The branding would make it difficult but not impossible to convert one set to the other. The lettering and numbers were individual 3d stainless steel items on the original carriages. This has been replicated on the model as far as I can see. The branding and numbers would have to be cut from the sides of the carriages and then a great deal of rubbing down and some touch up with the airbrush. The replacement branding could then be glued in place. As the sets were identical, better to wait for Hornby to produce the West Riding set, I'm sure they will in due course. The two observation cars only ran with the two Coronation sets, not the West Riding. It may be this that caused the confusion about the length of the respective trains. Set number four was interesting as it had no branding, but is easy to spot in photographs, as provision was made to carry roof destination boards that identified the train. Thanks for your video, I did enjoy looking at the models.
@ no worries at all mate. Unfortunately the branding is part of the mould. It would be an interesting challenge but it’s more likely that hornby will introduce either the west riding or unbranded sets. I’m kind of surprised they didn’t produce an unbranded set (no numbers or train titles) at the same time as they’d of sold a lot more of these because of the ability to convert them to any of the four sets. Maybe I’ll suggest it to them at the next big show I attend. Thanks for watching, Ross.
@@rossnation8092 The four sets produced were identical except for their branding. It would be difficult to convert the Coronation to the West Riding set, you would have to cut off the branding and lettering and replace it. On the real carriages, the letters and numbers were individual stainless steel items standing proud of the surface. As far as I can see, this has been replicated on your model. As it is identical, I'm sure Hornby will produce a West Riding set in due course with the correct branding. The two observation cars ran with the two Coronation sets only, not the West ridding set. It may be this that confused the issue over the length of the two formations. The fourth set was unbranded, but is easy to spot in photographs as it has roof destination board brackets in order to identify the service it is working. In some respects, the fourth set is the more interesting to model, as it never gets modelled. The fourth stood in for The Coronation, West riding and the Silver Jubilee sets as required. Thanks for the video, I appreciated looking at the models.
@@AndrewTeale-cy3dw It would be good to see the fourth set become produced then as it has so much flexibility. In regards to the silver jubilee am I right in thinking then that when the service was introduced 1935/6 it has 7 coaches (x2 twins and x1 triplet) then became 8 coaches in 1936/7 (x1 twin and x2 triplets)? Ross
@@jeffreysmith156 I know, event to kit build these is on par or more expensive. It’s really staggering how manufacturers get to these prices. I think I’m going to be modifying a lot of older models going forward and second hand will be the way forward. Thanks for watching. Ross
@@goupigoupi6953 Hello, With a small modification these can be spilt into two 4 coach trains. The modification entails, swapping the shared bogie from coach G to coach H and now I can set the train up in two rakes for 4. Which is easier that It sounds. Only tools needed for the mod is a small Phillips screwdriver and small flat head to tease the gromit out of its slot in the bogie. This will be demonstrated in a later video. My fiddle yard will be able to take a max of 6 coaches. So the ability to split the train is essential. Thanks for watching, Ross
It would have been Garter Blue and Royal Blue for this particular train!! Gorgeous!!
On the coach boxes it states the colours are Garter Blue and Marlborough Blue you can only go by What you know and this if off the Hornby box
In Wikipedia it states the coaches are Garter Blue and Marlborough Blue not sky Blue
They look fantastic. Is it easy to get inside to add passengers?
@@NEVILLEGROVE hi Steve,
Yes they’re really easy to get into,
I’m currently making the video talking about it going live later on tonight.
Cheers,
Ross
Nice video. Good shots of running. Thanks for not adding music. I like to hear the train.
@@markmills4619
Thanks for watching, no worries there’s a unique sound to this particular train that had to be shared.
My usual running session videos I rather had the musical sound track but every now and then I’ll throw one in like this.
Thanks for watching,
Ross.
Great review and thanks for showing how to connect the coaches which was well explained the coaches look fantastic just waiting for my final deliveries today of the four packs.I thought your idea of running two five car trains was a really good idea so I may have to find an extra beavertail observation as I only have one on order from hornby but yeah well presented video and great running session well done and thanks
@@andrewmeah3082 thank you for watching.
I will make an omission that upon actually attempting to make two four car trains it’s not quite possible.
But I think I’ve cracked it and will have to do a slight mod to one of the brake coaches (Coach H) so that both open thirds are not attached to the centre bogie.
Once I’ve done this I shall make a video showing that process.
I too will have to source the additional beaver tail for this concept too.
Thanks for watching,
Ross
@@rossnation8092
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Beautiful rolling stock, not so beautiful is misnaming LNER # 4492 Dominion of New Zealand not Commonwealth etc, which was only ever applied to LNER # 4491Commonwealth of Australia. Everything else is great and your passion shows through, one little mistake does not define you, none of us, especially me, are perfect. More videos please, lets see what you've got, I know it will be good.
@@paulsmith6616
Thank you, that’s why I added the correction in whilst editing the video regarding the name and I also saw a photo of an A3 filling in for a failed A4.
Please check out my latest video where I explain all that’s coming up over the next year.
2025 will be quiet as I finish up a few projects but there will be a few videos here and there. The real revival is planned into be march 2026.
Thanks for watching and hope you enjoyed it.
Ross
@@rossnation8092 No worries keep steaming!! We're with you.
Beautiful set - Years ago I tried to make the Kirk/Mailcoach kits - It didn't go well. ( The new Isinglass kits look much, much better but you undersell the time, tools and talent required to complete - Also it is unclear if you get transfers or wheels or couplings... all will add to the cost of the build )
Regarding the 1990s kits I had ( and failed miserably to complete - not everyone's experience will be the same)
The kits back then were low run plastic with all of its compromises -lots of flash and no surfaces were fully smooth. The interior parts were basic and did not bear close inspection. Each side was moulded in clear plastic so an horrific clean up and masking job inside and out.
The parts had no positive location points so you would have to create jigs to make each coach properly square and true (Difficult with the natural warpage of the parts).
The paint job would require a full re-surfacing of the coach sides to make it smooth and to sharpen up all the trims that would be painted silver - a true labour of the master craftsman. The beavertail was appalling and you would have to scratch build the entire glazed section.
The Hornby set would have bailed me out of that utter fiasco. The added bonus is a good looking interior with lighting. A coupling system that at the very least allows the train to enter a curve and seems to couple without a 3 yard gap. Finally the paint finish and especially the silver markings are well beyond what most of us to achieve at home.
Would the £200 difference in price get you a professionally finished kit set (Think of it as just 20 hours to complete the entire rake and even then I am dramatically under valuing the skill and talent involved)
@@digitalcareline hello,
I fully understand the time and skills needed to build rolling stock from the ground up having built several O gauge locomotives, parkside, ratio etc kits from the ground up.
I’ve just presented it at face value cost of RTR vs Cost of the kits.
I even stated as such that I couldn’t build a kit of these coaches to the level of which hornby had achieved.
I must admit it was a mistake on my part to think people could use their own minds and weigh up the cost of the kits plus time and consumables vs the price of ready to go stock. So I apologise.
Hence my full recommendation on these coaches.
I hope this clarifies things for you and I also apologise that it upset you as to comment about this matter. Never was the intention.
Regards,
Ross
The actual colours of this rake of carriages are LNER Sky Blue and LNER Royal Blue. Absolutely prototypical for the time this train was used.
@@Madonsteamrailways
You may want to point that out to hornby as on the box it’s stated as Marlborough blue.
It may have been the same colour but called different things.
But yes it’s prototypical for its time period. I believe they scanned/sampled the colour from the one in Margate.
Thanks for watching,
Ross
Hi. Cheers for the review. I very knowledgeable chap said to me that different classes of coaches had different lighting. With obviously the best lights for 1st. Do you think this is what happened? Cheers. Dave.
@@supstersmodelrailways3202
Thanks for watching Dave,
I would assume that’s the case mate as well as the differences in interior colouring having a baring too.
Thanks again for watching,
Ross
Beautiful rake very jealous! Cheers from Holland, Joachim
@@JPoulAndersson
Thank you for watching and you comment.
They’re not the cheapest but worth it. If you’re on the fence about them I really recommend them before stocks run out.
Regards from the uk,
Ross
Very nice set, I think it would look very nice next to my "Treno Azzuro"...
@@tomsmaerklintrainlayout6742 they’re very elegant coaches.
I would recommend.
Thank you for watching,
Ross
@@rossnation8092 Thanks for the recommendation. Where can you buy them? I looked in the Hornby webstore, and they don't seem to be available. I'm also in the US so I need a dealer that ships to the US.
Hornby now have the observation cars in stock
@@modelrailwaynoob indeed they do mine is on its way.
Video to be done next week.
Thanks for watching.
Ross
Are coaches B & F both the same (coach F hidden by a Pepsi can)? Both have frosted-over windows. What do those coaches represent? Kitchen cars?
This set may be expensive (something like £900.00 with the locomotive & the beaver-tail coach) but I'm blown away by the quality. Things have moved on since the days of Tri-ang
Edit: Due to the expense, I can't see Sam from Sam's Trains reviewing this, at least for a few years
@@lynnmorton7544 hello,
Yes they’re both kitchen thirds, I shall type the formation here for you;
Coach A Brake Third,
Coach B Kitchen Third,
Coach C Open First
Coach D Open First
Coach E Open Third
Coach F Kitchen Third
Coach G Open Third
Coach H Brake Third
Observation car.
The quality of these models is astonishing, the livery application and foil effect are superb.
I wish I could match this level in my own work.
Thanks for watching,
Ross
Edit;
I think now Bachmann have announced those LNWR coaches at £110 each the £40 difference doesn’t seem too bad.
But I agree I don’t think it’ll be anytime soon he touches these.
Each pack of two has an RRP of £149.99 and the Observation car £82 so a total RRP of £682 so not £900 but still not cheap, except compared to Bachmann's insane prices for the new unlit LNWR coaches. Nine of those would cost just under £1000!
However few people are foolish enough to pay the RRP which has gone up twice since they first went on pre-order.
Initially it was £99.99 then £124.99 I missed the early pre-order as I couldn't afford them at the time, but got them at the second price and used a 10% off voucher code so I paid £575, but also got 15% reward points worth £86.25. If you factor that in too they cost £489. That works out as just over £54 per coach which for a high detail coach with lights isn't too terrible.
The West Riding had eight carriages, not six! Four sets of eight carriages were built, one each for the North and Southbound Coronation, one for the out and back West Riding and an unbranded spare set. The latter could be used on any of the streamlined trains, including the Silver Jubilee. Gresley A1 locomotives were not un-superheated!
@@AndrewTeale-cy3dw
Oh right!! I was informed it was six. Perhaps I got it confused with the shortened ‘brake test’ rake perhaps?.
Everyday is a school day, maybe yourself or someone as knowledgeable as yourself could produce a video on the train sets and discuss more into the diagrams, technical information and details of the coaches? I’d happily watch it as with knowledge I can apply it going forward to modifying another set into the west riding.
I find loads of people withhold information rather than share it just to use as a whipping stick on online forums and it’s such a shame as we loose the information to time then as generations pass.
Thanks for watching,
Ross
@@rossnation8092 The sets were identical for the two services, except for the branding 'Coronation' or 'West Riding'. The branding would make it difficult but not impossible to convert one set to the other. The lettering and numbers were individual 3d stainless steel items on the original carriages. This has been replicated on the model as far as I can see. The branding and numbers would have to be cut from the sides of the carriages and then a great deal of rubbing down and some touch up with the airbrush. The replacement branding could then be glued in place.
As the sets were identical, better to wait for Hornby to produce the West Riding set, I'm sure they will in due course. The two observation cars only ran with the two Coronation sets, not the West Riding. It may be this that caused the confusion about the length of the respective trains. Set number four was interesting as it had no branding, but is easy to spot in photographs, as provision was made to carry roof destination boards that identified the train.
Thanks for your video, I did enjoy looking at the models.
@ no worries at all mate.
Unfortunately the branding is part of the mould. It would be an interesting challenge but it’s more likely that hornby will introduce either the west riding or unbranded sets.
I’m kind of surprised they didn’t produce an unbranded set (no numbers or train titles) at the same time as they’d of sold a lot more of these because of the ability to convert them to any of the four sets.
Maybe I’ll suggest it to them at the next big show I attend.
Thanks for watching,
Ross.
@@rossnation8092 The four sets produced were identical except for their branding. It would be difficult to convert the Coronation to the West Riding set, you would have to cut off the branding and lettering and replace it. On the real carriages, the letters and numbers were individual stainless steel items standing proud of the surface. As far as I can see, this has been replicated on your model.
As it is identical, I'm sure Hornby will produce a West Riding set in due course with the correct branding. The two observation cars ran with the two Coronation sets only, not the West ridding set. It may be this that confused the issue over the length of the two formations. The fourth set was unbranded, but is easy to spot in photographs as it has roof destination board brackets in order to identify the service it is working. In some respects, the fourth set is the more interesting to model, as it never gets modelled. The fourth stood in for The Coronation, West riding and the Silver Jubilee sets as required.
Thanks for the video, I appreciated looking at the models.
@@AndrewTeale-cy3dw
It would be good to see the fourth set become produced then as it has so much flexibility.
In regards to the silver jubilee am I right in thinking then that when the service was introduced 1935/6 it has 7 coaches (x2 twins and x1 triplet) then became 8 coaches in 1936/7 (x1 twin and x2 triplets)?
Ross
Your back
@@Alextrains502 only briefly,
Next video will explain more and roughy when I’ll be back proper.
Thanks for watching,
Ross
At least these coaches are significantly cheaper than some of Bachmann's latest coaches (which are £100 to £110).
@@jeffreysmith156
I know, event to kit build these is on par or more expensive.
It’s really staggering how manufacturers get to these prices.
I think I’m going to be modifying a lot of older models going forward and second hand will be the way forward.
Thanks for watching.
Ross
Beautiful train
@@raymondleggs5508 thank you,
The rake is stunning, hornby have really blown it out of the park with these.
Thanks for watching,
Ross
I own a reduced set of 7 Coronation Scot coaches, that's all that my longest fiddle yard track can accommodate. These 9 won't fit.
@@goupigoupi6953 Hello,
With a small modification these can be spilt into two 4 coach trains.
The modification entails, swapping the shared bogie from coach G to coach H and now I can set the train up in two rakes for 4. Which is easier that It sounds.
Only tools needed for the mod is a small Phillips screwdriver and small flat head to tease the gromit out of its slot in the bogie.
This will be demonstrated in a later video. My fiddle yard will be able to take a max of 6 coaches. So the ability to split the train is essential.
Thanks for watching,
Ross