This Forza Game Is Worse Than You Remember
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2023
- Forza Motorsport 6 is often heralded as a return to form for the series. What most tend to forget is how it cut even more corners in terms of career and progression. Was Forza 6 overrated?
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What's funny about fm6 advertising night races is that the original forza motorsport had night races they just forgot about it lmao
THIS!
Tokyo street,
San Francisco pier,
And another event in the Eclipse vs Integra Challenge
Sunset Peninsula Oval
LMAO, they forgor 😂
EXACTLY THAT! I remember Tokyo and those point-to-point races being at night.
What I liked about FM4 is that you started of from zero to hero, this kind of progression was killed in FM5 by starting with slower sports car that you've got in FM4 in the sportsman/semipro series, oh and this kind of progression that FM had later on in FM5,6 and 7 also affected the progression in horizon series after the 3rd entry
Sadly I think we'll never go back to the old "start off with a complete shitbox and end with the fastest vehicle on the planet" style of progression that older Forza Motorsport and older Gran Turismo titles used to have. Car models are more complex than ever and require even more time to create from scratch plus licenses for those models are getting more difficult to obtain. So developers can't just put whatever the fuck they want in their games anymore and the variety dwindles as a result.
You can do 5 races and have a hyper car in Forza. It's so boring. Make us work for the best
Agree, its too easy to get cars in 5
@@CyanRooperWe have 10 year old tiktok addicted kids with a 5 second attention span to blame for that imo
@@Phenom98 You really gonna ignore the fact that grown ass adults with jobs and families play video games too and they usually don't have the time to grind out like they used to as kids?
FM4 is still the daddy - there was just so much to do and if you didn't fancy doing the curated stuff the world tour threw at you, there were dozens of other cups you could back out and do instead, all on one big, single-screen grid.
FM3 introduced this
My least favourite thing about FM7 is that they took the extremely linear career mode with the divisions and then turned it up to 100, some of them are nothing but a chore to get through.
And then instead of the Cars being Auto-Upgraded to the Top of their class they now have the Homologation Requirements to meet which do absolutely nothing except make building cars for career even more limited.
I wish they'd go back to how the original Forzas were. Even the OG Motorsports had decent racing restrictions; such as cars with less than 300hp race, cars with weight over 4k pounds, Nissan Z cars only, Subaru vs Mitsubishi and so on.
Oh, you don't like 7 laps of Norschleife in a 7 race championship that gives you 10% progression within your league?
I thought FM6 handling felt better than FM5 handling, and FM7 felt like more of the same while sucking the colour out of the game and massacring the engine sounds.
I have some nice memories with FM6, not the best but the best from the Xbox One era IMO.
I have to agree with you 100% I completed FM6 100% and don’t regret it. The game allows players to use ‘mods’ that increase car performance and or add mods that increase player payout/XP for restrictions.
100 percent agree. The memories I have playing drift events online and s class online races were legendary
FM5 is better. FM6 is half way into becoming Horizon 3.
Because the youtuber said the FM6 is Good doenst mean it actualy is.
@@AugustoV8Cesar bro fm6 is the closest thing we are going to get to fm4. Saying fm5 is better than 6 is low-key laughable when most cars were locked behind pay walls. Fm6 is arguable a top 3 game in the series. (sorry if I’m being rude)
@@IRXCER ill take the criticism, but, i still claiming that FM5 is the best because i played fm6 for 100 hours or 4.2 days.
I didnt played FM7 but im sure its atleast better than FM rebot, but i know FM6 is better than FM rebot (but i think FM7 is better than FM6)
Fm5 had very enjoying gameplay while when i tried playing fm6 i feel like a realistic version of forza horizon and FM5 has NICE Customization.
they had night races in FM1. the dockyard tracks were at night
This. And they were fun
And Tokyo, and Sunset Peninsula Speedway.
Don't forget about pitting and choosing how much to repair.
Opening cutscene: "Why do we race?"
My brain: "Just to suffer?"
my thoughts aswell 😂😂
ad so because you didn't find it of your liking it is suddenly wrong?
Something about the sound of FM7 sounds off, it's like they took the recordings they used for FM6, pitched them up, and then put EXTRA echo and reverb on it.
Bro got 1 million credits on the second wheel spin. Never thought I'd see that happen again after I got it. Damn
Yeah i got it as well lol
And the Veyron
8:15 I actually got the Veyron the very first time I got this game. Was absolutely flabbergasted.
Aslo Rossi was basically god tier in this game, he was always a pain.
Ai were hysterical in this game. I have tons of clips on my console of their insanity.
Ohh yeah M. Rossi is very interesting. Most of the time I struggle to beat him but sometimes he just flies out of the corner :-P
Same
M Rossi has always been fucking evil in every Forza game. Incredibly fast and always seems to have more grip than you even if you're both rocking the same car.
This time, I disagree. FM6 was ton of fun, it legit made FM5 look like a demo for the next release. I 100% back in those days and had ton of fun with it, i still play it from time to time! Fm7.. not so much..
I wish dustin played this game longer to see what it really is. I've had a blast replaying this game last month.
@@somerandomdude2085 Well said! i think it has a lot to offer, GREAT game :)
completely agree tbh, its hard for me to complain about fm6. 3rd best motorsport game after fm3 and fm4 imo.
cars felt pretty good, not amazing but not horrible
atmosphere can only be beaten by fm4
music was just amazing
and unlike in fm7, the ai doesent cheat extremely obviously and is actually able to deliver fun races. imo the career wasn't bad either and while it could have had more, i enjoyed what i played of it
The soundtrack was goated as well
My thoughts exactly. I even lowkey preferred FM6 Apex on PC than FM5 lmfao
At least Apex was free, rather than being a $60 demo
Maybe it's that I played online a lot, but a lot of the single player gripes Dustin had didn't really apply online. I've got hundreds of hours in FM6, and most of it was from online races rather than the pretty dreadful single player experience. The classes were so varied, and you'd see players in your lobby change up cars for every track. Because credits were given so freely, you were just racing for the fun of it and it was great. I remember having a S class Ford GT specifically for Old Mulsanne, a B class grip VW beetle and a C class Alfa P3 that only had 3 gears but was so fun to throw around because it was built in the 30s and had 300 hp.
It's a shame the servers got shut down because the online racing was genuinely some of the best fun I've had playing racing games. It was great that it didn't restrict player freedom like FM7 did, and allowed people to build and tune cars. You would never know what you'd be racing against because sometimes the most absurd cars could be tuned to be fantasic for specific tracks.
Forza Motorsport in its Xbox One era (5 to 7) has its problems when it comes to making decisions for you, the lack of content and the card pack stuff, but I'll always look fondly on them since those were the games I remember playing the most on my Xbox One back when it was still kicking. You can really tell that they put in "more" effort with the Horizon games than the Motorsport series, which is a shame.
Babe wake up Dustin just uploaded
YESSSS
literally woke up, saw the notification and watched it
So I’m one of those people who have actually enjoyed Forza Motorsport 6 and don’t like to pretend that I don’t. Now yes FM6 was nowhere near perfect, especially since that the progression system was weird, narrow and had that “instant gratification” of earning a Bugatti or an LMP1 right from the get go. Plus I’ll admit FM7 had moments where it did better.
But other than that, the racing part of it was solid, I’ve had some amazing experiences and memories from the online and offline mode. Plus it has a decent car selection AND soundtrack! Not to mention the return of the night races were sure quite something! It’s almost always a pleasure to be able to go back and play FM6 when I feel like it.
But hey if you don’t like FM6, that’s fine. I can’t convince anyone to like something that they don’t like. However one thing that many SHOULD agree with is that FM6 was a major improvement than FM5.
In my opinion, it's so forgettable that I always forget I have a physical copy of it, and it takes a lot for a game to achieve this
I think the main problem is that the racing game community is very divided, and can never be satisfied when it comes to what they want in a game. The three main groups “1. I want engaging experience 2. I want realistic sounds graphics and physics 3. I want a lot of cars and tracks” always confront each other because there isn’t one game that can implement all 3 at once. Gran Turismo 5 and Forza motorsport 7 both have over 800 cars. Great, right? Nope. Because the nitpicking people from Group 2 are going to criticize the low-quality models (even though I’ve been playing the games for such a long time and they never bothered me, I don’t even notice them). FM6 is a great game but the community isn’t grateful and it’s too pretentious to evaluate it properly.
@@originalbakugan7671Well said
@@originalbakugan7671 Sorry this got long winded TL;DR, console simcade fans are divided but keep buying their favorite titles no matter how much any of the main groups of conflicting opinions complain. Keep reading if you care about the reasoning behind my stupid opinions.
I'm guilty of having preferences that differ from a lot of the racing game community, and it's sad that they, the racing game companies, have effectively divided and conquered many, but not all of us by improving just enough that most people will buy and try each consecutive game of their preferred title. No matter how divided we are, if the games are just good enough to turn a decent profit, nothing will ever change, and everyone will continue to argue about their nitpicky preferences which in turn drives engagement on youtube and other social media, which in turn brings more eyes to these games. If we want change we need to boycott but we're so divided there will never be a big enough group to stop buying games to force them to change for the better, and even if we did, there would be no consensus about precisely what changes are "for the better".
For these reasons and many more I'm done buying new racing game titles until something comes along that fits what I want out of a racing game. Also most of this applies to mainly console racers like Forza, Gran Turismo, NFS, and other arcade or simcade racers. I think the PC master race with their full on racing sims are pretty much getting what they want for the most part, there's even a tangible road to getting into real world racing from winning at competitive sim racing events. I know PC sim racing is plagued with it's own unique problems, but I think it's less divided than the console/simcade fans. Notice I said "I think" for all my remarks on PC stuff because I don't own a gaming PC and don't play full on racing sims, the previous sentence was based on what I've seen youtubers talk about so take it with a pound of salt.
@@originalbakugan7671 The game that does all that has already been done. It's called Gran Turismo 4. The blueprint is there.
@@originalbakugan7671BeamNG being 3 in 1: hehehe...
All they have to do is take FM4, and refresh it with fresh graphics and an updated car and track list and they have a 10/10 racing game again
You are one of the only RUclipsrs in which I can guarantee that I'll have a good time watching a video.
Most of the youtubers have at least one good video at worst, but this guy manages to freate interesting videos every single time
@@LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious better than kuru. This guy makes long videos
@@BlueflagAlpha i never watched Kuru's streams, but i think you have a really good point here. And specially Eden's Gran Turismo series is sooooooo good to watch with all these fan-made story bits
FM6 was the best of the Xbox One era. I just hope they go back to their old roots with the reboot.
OG Motorsports still has an amazing track that was point to point and night time. The Pacific Shipyards. Set at night and was overall an amazing track, but was never used beyond the original Forza Motorsports. Same with their Tokyo Circuit.
Honestly, certain things in FM7 sounds eons better than FM6, but certain things sound better in FM6 than FM7, it’s weird
Growing up has been realizing that more isn’t always better, that’s why I love games like hitman blood money that focuses more on quality over quantity (insert hitman franchise joke here I guess) it’s one of the reasons why I love a bunch of ps2 games they weren’t boasting a huge open world with nothing they had fine crafted levels and areas
I remember driving the black edition GTR in this game and won in a Nurburgring race in this game, I beaten a Lamborghini, and I also remember that I won the Bugatti at the start on that wheel thing (I am not joking about that)
Yeah so did I lol. I assumed the first spin was fixed, but I just recently started a new playthrough and I didn't get the Bugatti in the spin this time.
@@iNathanLite nah it is most likely just luck
Hey Dustin if your gonna do a vid on FM7 please include the fact that it had loot boxes. they were removed later but still kinda shity
The biggest issue with Forza is lack of proper structure. The idea of throwing player into world map with races peaked in FM4 and never improved ever since.
Just imagine that they leaned into all "motorsport" theme and used upgrade system to increase immersion. Regular classes with PI limit should stay as a "open category" but restricted classes inspired by IRL racing series with appropriate race rulesets. Generally divisions from FM7 but done with effort. E.G. there should be racecar inspired aero kits (instead of static widebody instagram trash we see in Forza recently), cars should be elligible for multiple "divisions" with tag system instead of being restricted to single class, more limitations on allowed upgrades to enforce closer racing and builds more fitting visually.
I'm familiar with FM6. It's my first Forza I've played on the new Xbox consoles. Can't wait for your Forza Motorsport 7 video, Dustin!
Comment for engagement and to give some praise to our young lad here. I never thought I would enjoy watching some dude playing racing games. I especially enjoy the ones where he says "this game was made before is was born" and I'm sitting here like "dude, I played that when it came out". I also feel old now. Anyway, thanks.
"Content isn't everything"
Perfect counter-argument for most racing games today
FM6 also suffered from the frequent releases. I don't even remember playing that game. Somewhere in all of the craziness, I stayed locked in to FM4.
FM2 and 3 not having night racing was insane to me, but finding out they didn't add either until 6 makes me glad I stopped playing anything Forza that isnt Horizon lol
Forza Motorsport 1 had night tracks.
That´s where he´s coming from.@@JubbLaRacing
I really feel what you say at 16:00, I feel as though the ideal motorsport for me would be : You have that many races to finish this championship and progress in the campaign, and here's the events we propose you that your currently equipped car can enter. If you go to the auto shop and buy another car then the event roster will change to adapt to that car.
There, that would be perfect imo. But it seems that the latest Motorsport still follows the FM5 / FM6 / FM7 campaign formula
FM6 was my first Forza game and having played FM7 and 5, 6 is the best so far
I got a stroke reading that 💀
oh my god, this is the sole reason why I subbed to you last week, so good to see a new forza video. I discovered you by your forza 4 video and now I am watching almost all the other videos as well, can't wait for forza 7
Man, how do the only two condole-exclusive sim-cade racing titles on the market manage to peak in their fourth entry?
magic or spiting the countries that think 4 is unlucky idk
7:42 I just brake into the yellow, not the red. Do the same thing for every track because often times, the red is way too fast. Works every time
Honestly, I still really enjoy FM6. I can't really describe it, but just the vibe of the game is something I've yet to find in any other (with FM5 being a bit closer). I would sometimes just sit on the main menu screen with cinematic shots of whatever cars I had playing in the background and listen to the main menu music, which I can't talk about enough. The music for 6 was genuinely amazing, especially the main menu theme, which just enhanced the experience for me. Granted, when I first started playing 6 I was just a little kid so I didn't really understand much about sim racing, physics, and all that, but I still enjoyed it immensely. Even after playing both the newer games and the old games like FM4, which I've seen many people praise a lot, I still found myself returning to FM6 just because of the feel of the game
have to disagree on this one, FM6 is not the best game ever but a improvement over fm5 was actually fun to play whereas fm5 felt like a console demo
Your statement isn't confusing at all
@@DSN262 might need to learn the language better then
it will likely go undernoted but auto mobilista mode where you can look around the car in 3d and sometimes get little info chunks is a seriously nice touch . Hearing a little history or manufacturing fact about the headlights or engine etc is mint. sort of unique in the presentation
Liveries are not available for me. How do you get this feature?
Wondering the same thing
Yoo whats that opening into background music I just had a core memory unlock.
Hey dustin eden. Idk if you will see it man but i must say thank you for playing midnight club la a while back. Because of that video, i went back to finish my midnight club la save using your strat and because of that strat. Im now the king of La. Thanks dustin eden. Love all the videos. I originally never got to finish midnight club la because the the ps3 stopped working a long time ago. Now it's working ♥ 🐀
Starting without FWD cars is kinda lame for progression, I squeezed everthing out of my VW Fox in FM4 :)
FM4 is still the best, And I can play it on emulator nicely :) FM5 and FM6 didnt do so well with some spects, but I think limiting these games to just one console robbed them of so much sales potencial. Horizon 3 which also released in 2016 got a PC port and I can imagine that sales numbers went to the moon. And after that Motorsport died because everyone played Horizon instead...
I prefer working my way through a career instead of being given everything. Maybe forza needs and option at the start for one or the other for players?
I literally redownloaded this just to do what I always did and play free play with Indycars
And that's why I think original motorsport and 4 were the best
11:30 FUUUUUUUUU-
I hate it when games want to hold your hands and be one long tutorial instead of letting you choose what to do. I want to grind Sunday cup for 100 times in a row? That's my choice.
No game ever can beat Assetto Corsa's Rain effects.
There were night races in Forza motorsport 1. There wasn't a weather and time selectors technology permitting
I really like your Playtrough/Review videos of the Forza games and it would be nice, if you would keep doing them once you have played through all if them.
You could play gta-clones, like Sleeping Dogs, True Crime, Saints Row or the Getaway or even different genres, like the Yakuza games.
Or if you want to keep doing racing games, there is still Drive Club, The Crew, Project Gotham Racing or Midtown Madness.
I'm looking forward to your next videos, keep up the good work.
16:20 I agree. FM4 was great in that once you finished whatever the career was called, you could see the chart of EVERY SINGLE RACE. And play them in whatever order you wanted
as a racer of granturismo games and 2 project cars games when i gave forza motorsports 7 a try i ....just don't know it looked nice and played ok on my pc but the controls felt so heavy and unresponsive like i was always going to miss a corner that i could take easily in other games
yeah! i can't stand Forza Motorsport because it feels so floaty, like driving a boat
Next Forza Motorsport is the demo when it come to this. Will you do a review to that one to??
It’s a shame they never released the full version of FM6 on PC, great game
Forza 6 sucked and drove me away from the series for good, and I'd 100%'d every Forza Motorsport game since FM1.
I gave FM7 a try though for a day and that only reaffirmed my decision. Even bigger ball of shite.
Man, I enjoy these videos so much. Dustin, you're the only person that has ever made me consider using Twitch.
what games do you play now? i’m playing assetto corsa evoluzione which is gt4 career mod on assetto, looking for more to play though :)
i was a horizon player during the early motorsport days and now horizon and the new motorsport games are trash
The indycar scene reminded me of the red bull x series cornering on the Nurburgring
Still devistated that they shut the servers down.
in every forza motorsport you can in the first second of the race just enter settings and disable all assists
if i ever get the game, i'll give it a try. i hope to get FM5 to so i can check that out too.
oh and Forza 6 sound is better than Forza 7 sound
I have 400+ hours on Forza 6 and it's clearly the GOAT: Sounds, Graphics, Career not complicated unlike Gran Turismo, more than correct content and especially the OST!
6:08 Typical racing game moment: You in second place, first place in a shitbox rubberbands into the sunset and the other 22 AI´s follow closely packed behind :)
Also wheelspins and Auto- Upgrades are just dumb, WHY???
21:35 you deserve a like just for including the apropriatingly named song "reasoning" from Persona 4 golden to the segment
I still love FM6, it also has the best OST in my opinion.
The sense of speed and the beauty and realism of night and rainy races is a breathtaking combo.
Racing first person in the rain following other cars closely feels REAL.
Can you beat GT4 without cars?
Yes just play tourist trophy
OnlyFans when?
i actually loved this game along w nfs 2015 but the only downside is i had no ffb when drifting
I did get the Veyron SS and 1 million credits in my first 2 spins😂
I love playing this game. To me it is night and day in the way the cars drive from 5 to 6.
Love your video bro keep up the good work my dude and your always best bro
Forza 6 Apex has been completely overlooked and forgotten. Nobody has talked about it in 7 years. Great free game exclusive to PC.
Get it for the achievements if nothing else, the medals are a blast to get and level up, it has a PGR kind of progression system. Amazing graphics even to this day.
You can't get the game anymore.
How do you think the new Forza Motorsport will compare to FM 5, 6, and 7?
its shit...
lol, i forgot 6 even exists... i played 5 and waited straight into 7 😂
That intro slapped me like a pile of bricks it’s so funny bc it’s so stupid and bc I completely forgot about it
This was my first forza game (apart from demos) i still play it today.
I would like your opinion on the crew motorfest dustin, I think the sense of speed is much better now compared to 2.
Its actually good
It goes hard on mute.
Damn, gta 3 theme at start hittin different
I can’t believe this game is about to be 10 years old
Are we gonna ignore the fact that I'm pretty sure that's vernon fucking roche in the intro
You should play Motorsport 6 Apex next (the weird cut down PC version)
After my save data got corrputed twice i gave up
What people often forget is that it was a launch game with the new console, and that never happened before. No console ever launch with a " sim " racer. I played this and Ryse to death on day one... of the One. The " new " factor took some of the game's shortcomings in it's moment. It's the reason why 6 it's so heralded as saviour... when for some of us the reality was that it was fm5 on its completion
did you really threw the games in the toilet
I threw them directly into toilet cleaner. They were still bad an hour later, I haven’t checked since recording.
I had never played FM6 but did play FM6 Apex and it was fun for what it was.
This FM5 game BGM like "hey, we go save the world, by driving car!"
Great video!
bro said FWD on a Golf R that says everything 💀
Bro doesn’t allow anyone of make any mistakes. You don’t need to be a car NERD to be able to enjoy racing games.
@@tommywang8229 that's right, you don't need to be, but that doesn't mean i won't judge you for it.
Even Forza has a obsession with jdm cars
@@IGAME-cd2lr wich is sad because if you have a big catalog of cars of all over the world why just give Japanese cars and 1 German car as starters.
JDM is kinda mid ngl
5:09 not dustin calling the golf R front wheel drive lmao
why whenever a game adds a track in Brazil, it's a fictional track, why not add Interlagos, and that leads to another question, why almost no racing game has Interlagos, it is one of the best circuits of the formula 1 season
Because you dont need to pay for a fictional track. In the case of Interlagos or even the Jacarepaguá from 80 s - you need to pay the license to use it... And sometimes, the price is not worth in the eyes of xyz game Studio 🤷
Me with a 2013 Speed3 in real life as Dustin calls it a shit box 😢
I want a speed 3 so bad man
I think you should try a new bmw if you think the g80 was there last good car 😅.. nice video though can’t wait for forza 8 .. on the verge of selling Xbox n all that but yeah
my brother managed to convince my parents to get an Xbox one when they came out, and it came with a copy of fm5, before I had a pc of my own fm5 and fm6 were a blast in a vacuum where no other good racing games existed and my young mind had no expectations.
that xbox still has the messed up blue ray drive
Truth be told I'm honestly surprised that the the Indianapolis motor speedway is in the game. (I live like half an hour away from it)
6:00 that's just M.Rossi's skill
Those headphones look insanely cool can someone tell me what they are?
Audio Technica ATH-M50xBT
@@TheJakeMG thanks :)
Sometimes you want to make decisions. Sometimes after a long day of work of you just wanna sit down and grind out sooner hours racing with no decisions to make.
GRID Autosport did the same thing. It's hard to feel like you are accomplishing anything, but that's not the point. The point is to just sit down and do some racing.
And both games excel at that.
20:41 Eden chanelling his inner Pastor Maldonado😂
hasn't anyone have cracked FM6 Apex?
A few of my personal critiques for this game include:
-Stupid-ass wheelspins that too often give you 1-3M credits and break the progression
-🤮handling, compared to other games like Assetto Corsa FM6 has giga understeer
-Puntarino-ing Drivatars
Forza 6 was pretty decent imo but it doesn't have anything on the first four Forza Motorsport games