I didn’t love Haley’s ending because she was proving herself so much in the fashion world and just let that all go. However, after seasons of Claire comparing Haley to her own path, I can see why the writers had her follow in Claire’s footsteps. She got pregnant by her high school sweetheart and becomes a stay at home mom. I hope this can only mean that once the twins are older, Haley, just like Clair, returns to the her job to show off her badassery.
@@AJ-zg1nq tbh if in 5 years they came out with a show about this I’d watch it (as long as it’s not a girl meets world fuller house type half assed cash grab thing)
@@esikazemese exactly. turning the fun party girl into a mom is such a tired story. let her have fun and be professional in a job that she loves and is obviously good at. they had to ruin everything.
they did Haley so dirty, which is infuriating. but even more it came at the expense of Alex and Luke. Haley got the most screen time out of the kids, and Alex and Luke got the least amount. Luke did basically nothing, he just became dumb and horny. Alex did what she would do, college, but we could've gotten so much more from her! I hated that she ended up with Arwin, Haley's ex. She dated a lovely himbo fireman who was so good for her and then had him dump her over the stupidest shit. It was annoying.
Thank you! I hated her and Arwin so much. That's not only Haley's ex, she left with him, and for what.. And Alex and Bill were actually really refreshing! Alex finally had an age-suitable partner and nothing like that employee of her mom's, who even cheated on her. Modern Family gave Haley so much more, and she even ended up pretty happy, and with a promising future.
Yeah, the show really spiraled with the kid characters. Luke was such a funny, cool little kid and Alex had potential too but they just pushed them into lazy half-baked tropes (Luke being dumb and horny, Alex being the cynical know-it-all). At least with Manny there was some continuation of his younger sensibilities and good heart and Lily kind of grew into her weirdness in a funny way.
No I like about Alex she had maybe the weirdest sex life I think I've ever seen on TV from Sanjay to Luke's friend Ruben to the himbo you were talking about to arwen she just could never get it right in her love life it was always awkward and weird and I loved it
Claire and Haley are more similar than they'd like to believe. They both had a past of dating immature guys, but instead fell for sweet guys like Phil and Andy. Sadly, history doesn't repeat the same way. I wished that we'd got some closure on Andy, and had Adam appear one last time, to wish Haley well.
They both had kids and settled down. Claire and Haley had the same character arc. Haley had a lot of potential but the writers didn’t know what to do with her
@@jeffreyschueler2223 the actor couldn't stay on the show anymore I heard. He was getting casted in bigger stuff such as Pitch Perfect. Maybe if the show didn't go on as long as it did, they might've ended up together
i actually wish alex was the one who had the accidental pregnancy instead. i think it would have been great to show her "mess up" in a way but still own it, and still be a hardworking kickass career woman.
Alex is way too planned out and contribute for that to ever happen she's the type of person who either is an IUD on the pill in condoms up every single time she plans out every single aspect of her life in real life that's exactly how Haley's life would have played out exactly the way it did
@@filthy0819 while this is all true, having the IUD fail or the condom break (none of these are 100% preventative anyway) would also be good for Alex. she took all the necessary precautions and still ended up knocked up. although she would probably end up having an abortion since she is so career driven, even that would've been nice to see, especially if she'd rely on Hayley for emotional support
@@filthy0819 Haley is clearly sexualy active for several seasons so it's safe to say (pun intended) that she uses precautions in bed. I agree that Alex could use with a bit of a shock to her system but I don't think that the majority of watchers would have appreciate her having any different from what she worked so hard to get. She was always the nerd who gave up on having fun, have friends, have a standard adolescence in order to succeed professionally. If she had to be knocked up at the end, many would have thought she was stolen from her final moment to shine
Haley was another character filled with wasted potential, one of my personal favorite scenes of the series was her breaking up with Dylan in season 6, because it felt like she had outgrown that relationship and was ready to grow up.
@@bigjbird4427 I agree, for that middle part of the series, Hayley got really funny and had great character arcs. They they re-set her and sent her back to Dylan.
EXACTLY she had was growing and maturing and she had found the perfect guy (andy) who is totally husband material he loves kids and is great with them and always brings out the best in haley then she had the fashion job at the same time and she was at her absolute peak then the downfall
Haley should’ve ended the series starting her own business, maybe get knocked up by Dylan but doesn’t end up marrying him. They co-parent together and Andy comes back into her life.
@@azules2688 fr tho everyone forgets how andy and hayley got together in the first place by cheating, and when beth admits to doing it as well andy just acts all surprised and heartbroken as if he didn't do the same thing
I feel like they turned Manny's character around eventually but for awhile he was no better than Luke, just a smarter version of the same shallow horny teen. The actress who played Lily was kind of limited but I feel like the writers worked with that and ultimately created a character who was a bit like April Ludgate from Parks and Rec.
Well Lily's character was too young to really do anything when she was with 13 when it ended and honestly nobody really cared that much about Manny's character he was very annoying
She was supposed to end up back with Andy but he couldn't get his schedule clear to shoot it so they went to Dylan. I really liked her with Andy. He was my favorite.
They did the same thing to Alex, in the service of the “brilliant but romantically incompetent” stereotype. Alex had several promising relationship starts (the sweet guy she meets at her college visit is just one example) that the writers literally pretended never happened, even as they made her more and more cartoonishly bad at the very basics of a relationship. That always pissed me off.
I was about 12 when Modern Family first started airing, and I related to Hayley. I was an average student while my younger sister got straight As with ease. Instead of comparing our intelligence, my parents encouraged us both to work on things we're good at. For me it was art and literature. For my sister it was academics and sports. I know Modern Family is "just a show", but it really does reflect how we all see people. Instead labelling the Hayley's and Luke's as "dumb", we should help them find their passionate and live a fulfilling life.
It feels like the show ended before we could see her get settled in her new home and start her job again to actually show off her growth in both personal and professional settings.
Yes, I will take it to my grave that Haley deserved much better than the ending the show gave her. Haley grew so much as a person, that having her end up with her immature high school boyfriend Dylan felt like an undoing to her growth. She was better suited to Andy, in my opinion, but Adam Devine's busy schedule probably led to him getting written out quicker than expected.
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 Preach. What happened to the girl choosing herself instead of a love interest? I hope that Nancy ends up with neither Jonathan or Steve, and hate that they're forcing another love triangle situation down our throats again.
@@trinaq I am a Jancy sucker but true. I think one thing I see is the kids in MF are so privileged. Like Haley makes me roll my eyes because she has it good: affluent parents and neighborhood, good schools, little financial stress but doesn't bother in school, which came off as ungrateful and bratty to me. I think a better written arc and characters would be Joan Holloway and Tuca Toucan
Nah I wish she ended up single or at least never had the kid, and went into her fashion career. She could have been a modern Elle and instead they made her a housewife.
yeah, but if Adam Devine couldn't be there (I think he was the original plan as they wanted to redo Claire and Phil's story, and Andy looks more like Phil than Dylan), they could have given her a new love interest, or just no love interest at all. I like Dylan as a character but it just didn't make sense to have him ended up with Haley.
i totally agree! there was so much potential to showcase that Alex’s path of hardcore academics (while perfectly laudable) aren’t the ONLY means to achieving your goals
The show made so many half assed potential growth routes for Hayley it is almost irritating to watch her. They were trying too hard to give her an end like Claire. They did her dirty.
I felt the same for Luke and Manny too.....they were curious and different children who towards the end were only interested in picking up girls. They could have done much more with these 3 characters.
Sometimes sit coms don't give realistic character development and that's sad. I feel like someone like Haley would've made it great in the real world. But shallow characterization
@@dhanashreegadhikar8281 I agree with both of you. Plus the show did Alex dirty too. The only real development (if you can even call it that, because it was always gonna happen) for Alex was she was the smartest who went to college. Her love life (and attitude towards others less intelligent than her) was not that great.
I never really got all this Andy Love in the truth is if they stayed together long-term if you're being honest with yourself Haley's probably going to get bored with him he's a very boring person and they had nothing in common
Haley's story always has been about her being pretty and always involved a guy. Her story should've broken the trope and made her achieve something solid with her hardwork and street smarts. Alex's story should've ended with her being more interested in human side of science
This analysis of Hallie made me think of Alexis from Schitt’s Creek; Alexis was allowed to develop and potentially fulfill her potential unlike Haley was.
Much like Joey from Friends, they developed him so well, until about season 8 or 9, and then they regressed him and he lost maturity. It's like the writers got lazy and just took him back to his season 1 attitude.
Joey in seasons 8-10 was a parody of himself from 2-7. S1 Joey was something else. He was dumb but still witty and present, not oblivious to the world beyond women and sandwiches.
I kind of wonder where her story would have went if Haley was challenged by someone from a less privilege background than she, like a hardworking student at her school who has to be bussed and works a lot who she befriends or Haley gets involved in community service and has her popularity values challenged by what she sees and hears. Like sometimes I think the show could have done better by their woman characters. Also why do social and book smarts have to be mutually exclusive? Haley comes off as a spoiled brat, Alex is bratty but at least she takes advantage of her privileges and opportunities while Haley is lazy at school.
I think that was the show's pitfall, that we only saw extremely affluent families in their admittedly affluent Los Angeles suburb. It got worse too as the series went on, with the vacations and gatherings and career perks (the super yacht Jay rents for the eclipse, that ridic apartment complex Alex lived in, etc) getting more and more Succession-like.
I think Hailey and Alex could actually balance each other out. Why is Alex always considered the gifted child that puts a lot of pressure on her. And Hailey dumb? When that's now true. She has great sense of fashion,social knowledge. As a person who doesn't have that I would tell you it's hard to achieve?
The only reason they got her pregnant was that this is a show about parents and young children, and all the children of the show had grown up at this point, some gone off to college. They needed an injection of young kids again, so they could carry on the same format. It's kinda annoying that tv shows Still make a woman's end point goal to be a mother, but it may be a while before that changes.
I think the pregnancy would have been better with Alex cause it would have taken everybody by surprise : Claire was so focused on Hayley not becoming like her that she forgets Alex could too, so she is in shock when it happens.
So true. I felt she was the street smart which is important to be and she was a very intelligent person in her own way. Andy and Haley were the best and Haley could have had better love interest. Also Alex was kind of stuck to the her stereotype, she was arrogant till the end.
I really wish we see more of her career. She's good with people and she's really observant. I was so proud of her when she got picked in class to show her photos in that exhibition. And with her fashion knowledge, she could have been model photographer or something.
I don’t think that the show doesn’t appreciate Hayley’s “different” type of inteligence. In fact, in many episodes Claire and Phil imply that her practical skills are better tan Axel’s academic knowledge. They shame Alex all the time for not having friends or not like to party, Claire never tells Hayley off for making fun of Alex by saying things like “we feel pity for you because books are your friends”. In many ways Hayley (and also Claire andPhil) are to blame for Alex’s lack of social skills and insecurity. So no, I dont think Hayley is the one being tease
It is sad that when Modern Family first came out, it was criticised for its portrayal of Claire and Gloria being stay-at-home-moms depended on their husbands, since that meant the show had no career successful adult woman. Then they rectified that later on, but still managed to end the show with Haley just becoming a stay-at-home-mom. Basically, the writers were the ones who didn't grow.
Haley is gonna raise her kids and resume her career later like Claire did. She’s still an idiot despite her growth and needs the stability that comes with her new family.
@@Kristina-wq4sq I in no way mean to devalue the hard work involved in parenting. My point was merely that the show received criticism for something, then they rectified said criticism, only to repeat it again in the end. They could have taken the time to demonstrate that a woman can raise small children while still being in the workforce, rather than having her step completely out of it, for 5-10 years.
I think there's something very realistic about Haley's arc and figuring out who she is. I just wish that it wasn't so closely tied to her relationships, but there's nothing wrong with that either. But I like the parallels with Claire and Haley, and I like Dylan and I like that she was happy.
I agree, I actually had more of a problem with how the show treated Alex than Haley! Also, there is still time for her to get back to a career after her children get bigger, not everything has to be shown on screen -- we were shown she is capable! And being a "kickass career woman" is not the only way you can have a successful and fulfilled life -- for some people, yes, but that never seemed to be a priority or a strong personal value for Haley. I think she was just feeling pressured into being excellent in something to prove she's not dumb, which she is clearly not. I thought Haley has grown so much and that she's become an amazing person, while Alex and Luke didn't get as much growth. Luke did, somewhat, but Alex, personality wise, didn't develop beyond her teenage years. She didn't learn anything about relationships and is continuing to only prioritise work over everything else, which results in her lacking depth as a character and kind of boring to watch, which made me sad, as I related a lot to Alex in earlier season, I was a similar kid. The only way the show did Haley her dirty, imo, is that they didn't make other characters acknowledge how much she has grown and what a cool person she is and has become, and apologised for constantly making her feel dumb throughout the years, which undoubtedly led to a lot of emotional scarring for her.
I HATED THAT SHE ENDED UP WITH DYLAN.. After she stood up for herself with her boss I thought, she is going to be okay. Then she met Andy and that was hot, and they put her with effing DYLAN!!! UGH...🤦🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
I hope you can explore Alex's story as well. Kind of sad how Haley had exactly Claire's story, even if her and Dylan will probably end up as happy as Claire and Phil in the future. But Alex.. She was always only "the smart one" but dates nerdy teenagers as an adult, had an initially-secret man-child lover and she literally threw away a 'dream' job with great pay and ended up with Haley's ex (ew) and left for a 'lousy' job.
No way??? Is that how it ends?? Wtf. So glad I stopped watching now, I’d definitely like an exploration of Alex - the therapy episode was very telling too.
I think a lot of people forget that Alex had a very obvious crush on Arwin first, he was her professor, she was working up the courage to tell him when Haley found and their relationship started. After that Alex went through a string of weird relationships, so its even worse than him just being her sister's ex. He was the only one we ever met on Alex's level, probably made her feel less alone like she admitted in the episode she had a breakdown. But she would had to watch them be together and honestly who wants to put themselves through that
I think Modern Family had a real weak spot with the kid characters in general. All the adults were given rich and complex layers that showcased how they were more than their original stereotypes. It never felt like they developed the kids the same way, especially Haley. With the exception of some minor growth through adulting, Haley didn't really feel like she changed that much at all at the end of the show. It was such a missed opportunity that she didn't end up with Andy, in my opinion, mainly because I think he pushed her to grow the most. He was sweet, secure, and didn't take any of her crap. I think she really needs someone like that in her life to force her out of her immaturity.
I believe that Hailey is Claire. They always compare them and Hailey is a modern day version of her mother. Plus, there was a whole episode where Hailey was debating not going back to work. In the episode she went back to that goop like job that she loved. No, she didn’t do these great extraordinary things, but her character had growth. Ultimately, I feel her character was to show that you don’t have to take traditional paths to do the things you want. You can learn through living (kind of how Luke did). Could they have done better, yes. However, I think the writers were dedicated to creating her as Claire and Dylan as Phil in their own way.
In the last season, Haley could've reconnected with Andy and Dylan could've played a more important role in her life as a friend and co-parent to the twins. She didn't have to get married in order to have an arc. In one of the episodes, Haley mentioned feeling like she was a giant failure, in my opinion, the writers could've used that emotion in order to make Haley something. The ending I have for Haley is that she reconnected with Andy, had Dylan's kids, became a designer or heck she could've started working for Prichett's closets (just for the family legacy and a nod to becoming as impactful as her mom Claire) and moved out with the twins while dating andy and co-parenting with Dylan. She deserved a wholesome ending, especially after the roller coaster journey her character has been through.
Haley was a bad person. She cheated multiple times on Dylan, lied constantly for personal gain, and was generally mean or demeaning to everyone. The reason her ventures fail is because it's shown she never puts consistent effort into anything. I think she didn't get a 'fairy tale ending' because she didn't deserve one.
You nailed it in this video! Whenever I am a little scared to enter a room full of new people or people, o barely know, I pretend to be Haley for 10 minutes or so. Because she definitely has skills that are important, that not everyone always has. I think that would be acknowledged as well, as other skills!
I think it's very reminiscent of real life that Haley's plans don't turn out the way she intended, or that she couldn't unlock her full potential due to her accidental pregnancy - but in the end, she still managed to create a life full of love and laughter for herself. I wouldn't say that her choice to keep the baby and marry Dylan ruined her arc, her life just went a different way than perhaps the viewers expected. Her choice to lead her life that way doesn't need to be dismissed and disrespected in order to recognize that she was a smart and talented woman who could have had a great career as a single woman, but simply chose not to.
If the show ran 10 more years, I'm sure we'd see Haley being successful with both parenthood and being a career woman. I can easily see her getting back into her career when the kids are a little older and being great at it. Her character was still young and had plenty of time to do both, it's just that the show ended when her kids are not even a year old.
@@happychaosofthenorth absolutely! her life took its own course and she just didn't get to rush into everything she wanted to do. but she was young and had lots of time ahead of her to catch up, as well as an incredibly loving and supportive partner. I don't feel like that means the writers failed her character.
I feel like they addressed why this didn't work in the video. The problem was the show didn't care and arbitrarily regressed her character several times because they refused to build upon what they established with Hailey. Her plans didn't work out because the writer didn't care about them. In fact they didn't "not workout" because we never actual saw them fail. They just faded into the background with no explanation, never to be brought up again. It would have been great to see Hailey actually struggle with her career and potential and then see her come into her own as a mother. Also I think Alex should have gotten the knocked up storyline. That would have been more interesting to explore.
I thought she'd end up with Andy. My preferred list was : 1. Andy 2 . Dylan 3. Rainer 4. Irwin. ( didn't like it at all) But Dylan was a good guy to be with at the end. He values her. He understands her and supports her as an equal partner. I think moving to Paris would be great for them, maybe. When he said I'll keep working to get better untill I deserve you❤ Haley. I love her. I think she's going to do great. God, I need a sequel.
This is one of the final bosses all those RUclips shorts of Modern Family leads too. I disagree that the show let Hailey down because real life people go through a life story like her via the same choices. I wouldn't dismiss or disrespect those people either. Or say their parents or teachers failed them.
The issue wasn´t that Andy left; it was that they literally gave up on her after he left. She was on a good path. After they kicked her out of college, she started her fashion blog and got a job working for a famous stylist, and her biggest goal was to be a stylist. It was a slow trip but I could see her taking over her boss´ job. But somehow the writers thought that because Andy helped her in some of the process everything needed to go back to the start when he left. They deleted her character development, sending her back to a meaningless and empty job with not-so-dumb Dylan.
not to be rude or anything, but the ending of modern family was really disappointing. rather than the ending tying all of the stories in nice way, it felt extremely rushed.
I think the show also made Hailey the way they did was because realistically in a family that big with about 18 characters, it's almost impossible to show every one of them to be successful and have a great life, sadly enough some people will just be average or have a relatively unsuccessful career/ life, due to the storylines given to everyone else, the most suitable candidates for such a life had to be either Luke or Hailey, and they chose Hailey instead of Luke, which makes more sense to me as if they would've done this with Luke the audience might have been more annoyed as Luke was more of a lovable character than Hailey, often Hailey was manipulative and unkind to people who loved her and Luke wasn't so she was the best candidate for this !!
I've only seen a handful of episodes so I don't know the whole story of the show. That said, She kind of reminds me of Dewey from Malcolm in the middle. He's musically gifted, but also socially smart. He could manipulate people pretty easily, including the smart kid, Malcolm. I feel like when shows promote the smart kid as being the "better" one, it's in an attempt to take the focus away from what has been typically the socially and maybe culturally celebrated popular kid(s). Many TV shows will have a contrasting character to emphasize how much better the story-focused character is. For instance, when you look at Ted from How I met your mother, you realize what a creep he is, but throw Barney in there, and Ted looks decent by comparison. So you throw the "pretty", "dumb" character into the mix to help emphasize the smart character's intelligence, setting the bar so low for one character, makes the other character look that much better at their "gift" or what makes them special. For Malcolm, Reese is that character, and in a similar fashion, they made him good at cooking, but they rarely used that "gift" for anything and they certainly didn't use it as a jumping-off point for his own story arch. Also, individuals changing their carbon footprint will have little effect on the planet considering the majority of pollution is created by big companies that are given a free pass to do whatever they want because the political will in this world is weak against money hoarders.
I think it was because the actress had a lot of trouble filming her scenes due to her health, and since a long time had passed since the important event in her story line, the public forgot and had to start over.
Was her role written predominantly by men? Sure seems like it. Men rarely realize the pretty girl can also be intelligent, not to mention deeper than the average puddle
I kept being disappointed that Haley showed so many talents and it never paid off. Sometimes it felt like she was plain bullied in her own house. Any job she got she basically did good if not great
I think the creators started with the Kelly Bundy character trope (my daughter is beautiful but dumb as a post) and wasted an arc of growth that could have been so much more.
Have you covered about “the chosen one” tropes and seeing whether it’s outdated or overrated Edit: Reminds me when the creator of Ladybug and Cat Noir failed or didn’t want to make Chloe to have a redemption arc (maybe she’ll get it, if she finally sees after everything’s that happening or the creator making it happen)
Haley deserved Andy and Andy deserved Haley. But to be fair Haley never really tried to be better in school I’m not saying she’s dumb but lazy that she couldn’t get her butt to learn how to get better academic grades.
Success isn't defined solely career-wise. Having children and a supportive family doesn't mean she's a failure. Being a SAHM while your children are small doesn't mean your life ends. Like Clair she could have always focus on her career after the children are older
They actually confirmed she’s not dumb, there was a “joke” near the end of the show when she was eating a bunch due to pregnancy cravings and she was suddenly super smart, they said that she only seemed dumb because she was starving herself from a young age which… she’s also super business and socially smart. I find it weird they made Halley her mom when she was younger pregnant young and early to a goof ball dummy that at least in of her parents dislikes, it’s weird like we’re they trying to say all kids are their parents? They actively show Clair trying to make sure Haley didn’t turn into her which she ended up doing, I have mixed emotions.
I think this take fails to take into account the overall arc of the series and how Hayley plays the biggest part in it. Hayley and Alex mirror Mitchell and claire. Jay makes several references to this calling Dylan new phil as such by the last episode we know Hayley will be a successful businesswoman because claire is the ceo of the year. She is beginning the same arc again of taking a career break and then going on to smash it. This is the overall arc of the series though it might not be shown it is implied.
Thank god someone finally said it: yes, Haley and Dylan should NOT have ended up together. Nor do I think Haley should have had the twins. And I’m not just saying this because I think Haley should have ended up with Andy. But, of course I do, because her relationship with Andy was much more compelling and mature. And if Adam Devine had been able to stay, then I think they probably would have had Haley and Andy end up together. But, honestly, maybe they should have had her not end up with anyone by series end. I honestly would have preferred that over pigeonholing her into a life of forced motherhood before she was ready. And on that note, it really does seem odd that a show that billed itself as espousing modern, contemporary family values never had Haley, a woman in her 20s, meaningfully consider what many 21st century women in their 20s consider when in that situation. And yes, I’m talking about terminating the pregnancy. Wouldn’t it be so refreshing to have a portrayal of abortion on mainstream television that DOESN’T demonize it or make it out to be the worst thing in the world? One can’t help but think that we’d be in a better place in terms of reproductive rights in this country if more mainstream TV didn’t talk about abortion as it was a dirty secret. Okay. Sorry. I didn’t intend for this to become a referendum on reproductive rights in America.
haley reminds me of francis of malcom in the middle. both the oldest kid and trouble maker, writes try to make them change for good but kept going back and forth.
I have to disagree with Dylan is not a good partner for Hayley. Sure Andy would’ve been a better fit, but Dylan shows in several occasion that he loves Hayley for Hayley. One example is Dylan admits that he better himself so he’ll deserve Hayley. He always seen Hayley as this beautiful smart kick ass girl.
The older I have gotten, the more I have come to see my initial rejection of Hayley was because she represents aspects of my shadow, the parts of me I have rejected from a younger age because I always thought they were not important but in reality will get you further in life. Knowing how to conduct yourself in social spaces and make everyone feel accommodated while still taking yourself into account is the stuff of life.
TBH they *did* kind of show that Alex's drive had a toll on her, and she had to begin therapy because of the pressure. I absolutely could relate to that. But I wish they continued to show that Alex continued to go to therapy (instead of just in that one episode), and show that Hailey continued with her business work and be successful in that way. Even Luke gets a job, and settles down, but they did not even really translate what one could argue to be neurodiversity as a child into his adult life.
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Wait I just watched an episode in season 11 where Haley mentions recruiting people for NERP her job, doesn’t that mean she’s still working and a mom? I mean NERP is not the ideal job but she’s working, people forget that she’s a working mom not a stay at home mom in the last season. It probably could be due to them not showing her at work anymore in the final season but she references working still.
Just finished binge watching all 11 seasons and had to put my 2 cents in. I kinda agree how they (the writers) screwed up Haley's Arc AND Alex's Arc too. And yeah, I lean towards the "Haley-Andy" rather than "Haley-Dylan" pairing solely because the screen chemistry between Sarah and Adam was just on-point. It reminded me of a goofier "Ross-Rachel" type of fling. It really did enhance both Haley and Andy's characters' story progressions, until they shot the whole thing down. I'll never understand how the writers "couldn't find the funny anymore" between them. She was also better at her Fashion/Stylist job and her brief Photography stint, rather than ending up being a "Senior NERP rep." I mean sure, the "Photog phase" was probably written out coz Manny is the "Artistic kid" of the Family, but atleast the career in fashion made Haley's character more interesting and fits better than the whole NERP thing. As for Alex, I'll never understand someone turning down a high-paying science corpo job for way less pay sooo abruptly. She was set for life working for Halo in NY....instead, she ends up going to Switzerland with Haley's last BF leftover, Arwin, with yet another "research plot device" about AI-tech or whatevertheheck Arwin was spewing on about. And the way the writers broke her and Fireman Bill up was stupid, like really: the "oh no, I thought you got my nudies on your phone" misunderstanding that led to Bill being "sensitive" and shit finding out on a Valentines date is quite harsh...and lazily written. Admit it: it should've been Bill at that finish line together with Alex. And then, there's Luke. Good thing he got into a college, I guess? Sigh.
I didn't like this one. I think this just shows how devalued motherhood is compared to career. Motherhood in early adulthood is seen as disappointment and failure.
It was one of the few things I had an issue with when I finished Modern Family. It just felt like a missed opportunity. She had so much potential and so many skills, and the summation of her ending just felt lackluster.
Sounds like they did to Haley what they did to Trixie, from Fairly Oddparents. Only difference, besides being a cartoon, is that Haley is a main character.
what's really dumb, is that earlier in the show Dylan and Haley were shown to have natural god like parenting skills! Then when they finally have a kid they follow some stupid book.
Hakey is a complicated character which I think the show writers were not will to invest in. Ironically a show like Modern Family had the long term opportunity to lay the foundations of Haley to succeed, fail and grow. I think it was just easier to make Haley be stereotypical rather then make effort to create a living character.
I disagree with the whole Dylan thing. Sure, he's not the best boyfriend she could have, but for me it's very realistic. Most TV shows, specially sitcoms, usually give a "perfect (idealized) ending" to their characters, but Modern Family didn't do that (for the most part). They kept it real. For me Haley "could" have had a perfect life with a really great job (a few, actually, as we've been reminded on this video) and a "perfect" boyfriend and have a perfect house before turning 30. But she chose her first love because it felt right for her (as a character), and she had a less perfect ending (ended a little bit like Claire when she got pregnant I guess) but realistic and not idealized. I like that a lot. I've grown tired of the many shows and movies where they show how the characters can "overcome everything" if they "try hard enough" when life just isn't like that. Even if it's just a sitcom, I like happy but more grounded and realistic endings. Just like 2 Broke Girls for example, even if they got cancelled, they stayed broke for the entire show. This "American dream" that they still try to sell even on those Netflix shows just isn't real. Broke people, hardworking people who can barely handle life, and people who try to move up but still stay on the same place do exist.
I was glad Haley & Dillon ended up together .. Despite both being ditzy .. They both tried & were both likeable .. Unlike the teen Darlene Connors who was a downer grunge throughout .. Haley & Dillon did not reach the top of the heap .. But they were nice people who became very real together .. Like 99% of us .. TgT
to me haley was the most painful to watch. i watched this show when i was a teenager, haley was totally opposite to me but i felt deeply related to her. every time the show ridiculed haley it felt like they were ridiculing me for not being 100 percent perfect. like there is no better life for women like her. she is such an old stereotype, i could not believe she could exist in this era. i was hoping for them to slowly break it and show us something new. i always thought alex would be the one who will take a heterosexual role, be a mother and have it all in both sides. and Haley go to a more queer route.
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It’s funny, Dylan actually went through the arc that Haley should have gotten. He achieved professional fulfillment despite his “dumbness”
Wow. This is so spot on.
And why is that bad?
@@bigsistahtips It's not bad for him exactly but Hailey deserved a similar ending
Dylan was divorced so I don't see it as an achievement
@@ohh_heavy marrying a divorced guy is a bad thing?
I didn’t love Haley’s ending because she was proving herself so much in the fashion world and just let that all go. However, after seasons of Claire comparing Haley to her own path, I can see why the writers had her follow in Claire’s footsteps. She got pregnant by her high school sweetheart and becomes a stay at home mom. I hope this can only mean that once the twins are older, Haley, just like Clair, returns to the her job to show off her badassery.
Exactly this! I really wish that after the twins are a bit older, Haley returns to work and kills it in the fashion industry mirroring Clair's arc.
@@AJ-zg1nq tbh if in 5 years they came out with a show about this I’d watch it (as long as it’s not a girl meets world fuller house type half assed cash grab thing)
It's fucking sad that they tried to shove this conservative nightmare down fans throats. The whole storyline made no sense.
Why can't Dylan just be a stay home dad instead?
@@esikazemese exactly. turning the fun party girl into a mom is such a tired story. let her have fun and be professional in a job that she loves and is obviously good at. they had to ruin everything.
they did Haley so dirty, which is infuriating. but even more it came at the expense of Alex and Luke. Haley got the most screen time out of the kids, and Alex and Luke got the least amount. Luke did basically nothing, he just became dumb and horny. Alex did what she would do, college, but we could've gotten so much more from her! I hated that she ended up with Arwin, Haley's ex. She dated a lovely himbo fireman who was so good for her and then had him dump her over the stupidest shit. It was annoying.
Thank you! I hated her and Arwin so much. That's not only Haley's ex, she left with him, and for what.. And Alex and Bill were actually really refreshing! Alex finally had an age-suitable partner and nothing like that employee of her mom's, who even cheated on her. Modern Family gave Haley so much more, and she even ended up pretty happy, and with a promising future.
Yeah, the show really spiraled with the kid characters. Luke was such a funny, cool little kid and Alex had potential too but they just pushed them into lazy half-baked tropes (Luke being dumb and horny, Alex being the cynical know-it-all). At least with Manny there was some continuation of his younger sensibilities and good heart and Lily kind of grew into her weirdness in a funny way.
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No I like about Alex she had maybe the weirdest sex life I think I've ever seen on TV from Sanjay to Luke's friend Ruben to the himbo you were talking about to arwen she just could never get it right in her love life it was always awkward and weird and I loved it
@@leiutos always do it Haley and arwen was just stupid it made no sense and Alex and Erwin made sense from the beginning
Claire and Haley are more similar than they'd like to believe. They both had a past of dating immature guys, but instead fell for sweet guys like Phil and Andy. Sadly, history doesn't repeat the same way. I wished that we'd got some closure on Andy, and had Adam appear one last time, to wish Haley well.
They both had kids and settled down. Claire and Haley had the same character arc. Haley had a lot of potential but the writers didn’t know what to do with her
I really cried when I knew Andy won't be with Haley
@@alecoloxa I really thought the writers were setting Andy up as Haley's soulmate. I guess we saw something they didn't.
@@jeffreyschueler2223 the actor couldn't stay on the show anymore I heard. He was getting casted in bigger stuff such as Pitch Perfect. Maybe if the show didn't go on as long as it did, they might've ended up together
@@alecoloxa i literally mourned the relationship
i like to believe that her and andy lived happily ever after
i actually wish alex was the one who had the accidental pregnancy instead. i think it would have been great to show her "mess up" in a way but still own it, and still be a hardworking kickass career woman.
Could not agree more
Alex is way too planned out and contribute for that to ever happen she's the type of person who either is an IUD on the pill in condoms up every single time she plans out every single aspect of her life in real life that's exactly how Haley's life would have played out exactly the way it did
@@filthy0819 while this is all true, having the IUD fail or the condom break (none of these are 100% preventative anyway) would also be good for Alex. she took all the necessary precautions and still ended up knocked up. although she would probably end up having an abortion since she is so career driven, even that would've been nice to see, especially if she'd rely on Hayley for emotional support
@@filthy0819 Haley is clearly sexualy active for several seasons so it's safe to say (pun intended) that she uses precautions in bed. I agree that Alex could use with a bit of a shock to her system but I don't think that the majority of watchers would have appreciate her having any different from what she worked so hard to get. She was always the nerd who gave up on having fun, have friends, have a standard adolescence in order to succeed professionally. If she had to be knocked up at the end, many would have thought she was stolen from her final moment to shine
@@loiracitr that's a good point
Haley was another character filled with wasted potential, one of my personal favorite scenes of the series was her breaking up with Dylan in season 6, because it felt like she had outgrown that relationship and was ready to grow up.
Season 6 was my favourite Haley arc when she was working in fashion and went to all the music festivals for “research” hahah
@@bigjbird4427 I agree, for that middle part of the series, Hayley got really funny and had great character arcs. They they re-set her and sent her back to Dylan.
EXACTLY she had was growing and maturing and she had found the perfect guy (andy) who is totally husband material he loves kids and is great with them and always brings out the best in haley
then she had the fashion job at the same time and she was at her absolute peak
then the downfall
Haley should’ve ended the series starting her own business, maybe get knocked up by Dylan but doesn’t end up marrying him. They co-parent together and Andy comes back into her life.
Yes! That was she was on the same trajectory as Claire but changed the outcome.
am i the only person who thinks andy, beth, and hayley were all sh*t people during that arc?
@@azules2688 fr tho everyone forgets how andy and hayley got together in the first place by cheating, and when beth admits to doing it as well andy just acts all surprised and heartbroken as if he didn't do the same thing
Honestly they failed Manny and Lilly even more, why does no one talk about these wasted characters?
I feel like they turned Manny's character around eventually but for awhile he was no better than Luke, just a smarter version of the same shallow horny teen. The actress who played Lily was kind of limited but I feel like the writers worked with that and ultimately created a character who was a bit like April Ludgate from Parks and Rec.
Unpopular opinion but Lilly had the potential to have a lot of dimension to her.
@@firewind3509 Exactly! She is the Vietnamese adopted daughter of 2 gay men and they did NOTHING with her!
Well Lily's character was too young to really do anything when she was with 13 when it ended and honestly nobody really cared that much about Manny's character he was very annoying
Lily's actor was really bad at acting, she couldn't have pulled off anything more complex than monotone and dead eyes.
She was supposed to end up back with Andy but he couldn't get his schedule clear to shoot it so they went to Dylan. I really liked her with Andy. He was my favorite.
They did the same thing to Alex, in the service of the “brilliant but romantically incompetent” stereotype. Alex had several promising relationship starts (the sweet guy she meets at her college visit is just one example) that the writers literally pretended never happened, even as they made her more and more cartoonishly bad at the very basics of a relationship. That always pissed me off.
I was about 12 when Modern Family first started airing, and I related to Hayley. I was an average student while my younger sister got straight As with ease. Instead of comparing our intelligence, my parents encouraged us both to work on things we're good at. For me it was art and literature. For my sister it was academics and sports.
I know Modern Family is "just a show", but it really does reflect how we all see people. Instead labelling the Hayley's and Luke's as "dumb", we should help them find their passionate and live a fulfilling life.
It feels like the show ended before we could see her get settled in her new home and start her job again to actually show off her growth in both personal and professional settings.
Yes, I will take it to my grave that Haley deserved much better than the ending the show gave her. Haley grew so much as a person, that having her end up with her immature high school boyfriend Dylan felt like an undoing to her growth. She was better suited to Andy, in my opinion, but Adam Devine's busy schedule probably led to him getting written out quicker than expected.
Imagine if Haley ended single.
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 Preach. What happened to the girl choosing herself instead of a love interest? I hope that Nancy ends up with neither Jonathan or Steve, and hate that they're forcing another love triangle situation down our throats again.
@@trinaq I am a Jancy sucker but true. I think one thing I see is the kids in MF are so privileged. Like Haley makes me roll my eyes because she has it good: affluent parents and neighborhood, good schools, little financial stress but doesn't bother in school, which came off as ungrateful and bratty to me.
I think a better written arc and characters would be Joan Holloway and Tuca Toucan
Nah I wish she ended up single or at least never had the kid, and went into her fashion career. She could have been a modern Elle and instead they made her a housewife.
yeah, but if Adam Devine couldn't be there (I think he was the original plan as they wanted to redo Claire and Phil's story, and Andy looks more like Phil than Dylan), they could have given her a new love interest, or just no love interest at all. I like Dylan as a character but it just didn't make sense to have him ended up with Haley.
Tbh Modern Family also failed other characters like Manny, Lily, Mitch and Cam. The further it went on, the worst it got
Only jay was in the end with the most character development
They never even tried to write Alex
Yep, they turned Manny from a sweet precocious kid into a series of homophobic jokes.
i totally agree! there was so much potential to showcase that Alex’s path of hardcore academics (while perfectly laudable) aren’t the ONLY means to achieving your goals
that would have been awesome
The show made so many half assed potential growth routes for Hayley it is almost irritating to watch her. They were trying too hard to give her an end like Claire. They did her dirty.
I felt the same for Luke and Manny too.....they were curious and different children who towards the end were only interested in picking up girls. They could have done much more with these 3 characters.
Sometimes sit coms don't give realistic character development and that's sad. I feel like someone like Haley would've made it great in the real world. But shallow characterization
@@sakuranovaryan9261 exactly!
@@dhanashreegadhikar8281 I agree with both of you. Plus the show did Alex dirty too. The only real development (if you can even call it that, because it was always gonna happen) for Alex was she was the smartest who went to college. Her love life (and attitude towards others less intelligent than her) was not that great.
She really should have stayed with Andy. They were perfect together!
Andy used her as a side chick and when they got together he couldn't communicate at all with her
I never really got all this Andy Love in the truth is if they stayed together long-term if you're being honest with yourself Haley's probably going to get bored with him he's a very boring person and they had nothing in common
Haley's story always has been about her being pretty and always involved a guy. Her story should've broken the trope and made her achieve something solid with her hardwork and street smarts. Alex's story should've ended with her being more interested in human side of science
Alex was just as pretty
This analysis of Hallie made me think of Alexis from Schitt’s Creek; Alexis was allowed to develop and potentially fulfill her potential unlike Haley was.
Much like Joey from Friends, they developed him so well, until about season 8 or 9, and then they regressed him and he lost maturity. It's like the writers got lazy and just took him back to his season 1 attitude.
Joey in seasons 8-10 was a parody of himself from 2-7. S1 Joey was something else. He was dumb but still witty and present, not oblivious to the world beyond women and sandwiches.
Alex too was pigeonholed into the nerd role who couldn't have a suitable boyfriend at all.
Also nobody calls out on her not so good behaviour towards her ex-boyfriends
I kind of wonder where her story would have went if Haley was challenged by someone from a less privilege background than she, like a hardworking student at her school who has to be bussed and works a lot who she befriends or Haley gets involved in community service and has her popularity values challenged by what she sees and hears. Like sometimes I think the show could have done better by their woman characters.
Also why do social and book smarts have to be mutually exclusive?
Haley comes off as a spoiled brat, Alex is bratty but at least she takes advantage of her privileges and opportunities while Haley is lazy at school.
would have gone **
I think that was the show's pitfall, that we only saw extremely affluent families in their admittedly affluent Los Angeles suburb. It got worse too as the series went on, with the vacations and gatherings and career perks (the super yacht Jay rents for the eclipse, that ridic apartment complex Alex lived in, etc) getting more and more Succession-like.
I think Hailey and Alex could actually balance each other out. Why is Alex always considered the gifted child that puts a lot of pressure on her. And Hailey dumb? When that's now true. She has great sense of fashion,social knowledge. As a person who doesn't have that I would tell you it's hard to achieve?
Using a working class person to advance the development of a main/affluent character is in pretty poor taste
@@aboutashow You don't know what storyline I'd be proposing (like Haley teaches her to be able to relax and speak her mind without guilt)
The only reason they got her pregnant was that this is a show about parents and young children, and all the children of the show had grown up at this point, some gone off to college. They needed an injection of young kids again, so they could carry on the same format. It's kinda annoying that tv shows Still make a woman's end point goal to be a mother, but it may be a while before that changes.
Exactly
Well Alex didn't become a mother but I guess I see your point
I think the pregnancy would have been better with Alex cause it would have taken everybody by surprise : Claire was so focused on Hayley not becoming like her that she forgets Alex could too, so she is in shock when it happens.
So true. I felt she was the street smart which is important to be and she was a very intelligent person in her own way. Andy and Haley were the best and Haley could have had better love interest. Also Alex was kind of stuck to the her stereotype, she was arrogant till the end.
I really wish we see more of her career. She's good with people and she's really observant. I was so proud of her when she got picked in class to show her photos in that exhibition. And with her fashion knowledge, she could have been model photographer or something.
I don’t think that the show doesn’t appreciate Hayley’s “different” type of inteligence. In fact, in many episodes Claire and Phil imply that her practical skills are better tan Axel’s academic knowledge. They shame Alex all the time for not having friends or not like to party, Claire never tells Hayley off for making fun of Alex by saying things like “we feel pity for you because books are your friends”. In many ways Hayley (and also Claire andPhil) are to blame for Alex’s lack of social skills and insecurity. So no, I dont think Hayley is the one being tease
Haley deserves her own spin off so we can finally see her reach her full potential
It is sad that when Modern Family first came out, it was criticised for its portrayal of Claire and Gloria being stay-at-home-moms depended on their husbands, since that meant the show had no career successful adult woman. Then they rectified that later on, but still managed to end the show with Haley just becoming a stay-at-home-mom. Basically, the writers were the ones who didn't grow.
And women were not included in the "modern" aspect
Haley is gonna raise her kids and resume her career later like Claire did. She’s still an idiot despite her growth and needs the stability that comes with her new family.
Please it’s not “just” stay-at home mom. Being a mom is hard and time taking! It’s a wage less job but it’s still a job
@@Kristina-wq4sq I in no way mean to devalue the hard work involved in parenting. My point was merely that the show received criticism for something, then they rectified said criticism, only to repeat it again in the end. They could have taken the time to demonstrate that a woman can raise small children while still being in the workforce, rather than having her step completely out of it, for 5-10 years.
I think there's something very realistic about Haley's arc and figuring out who she is. I just wish that it wasn't so closely tied to her relationships, but there's nothing wrong with that either. But I like the parallels with Claire and Haley, and I like Dylan and I like that she was happy.
I agree, I actually had more of a problem with how the show treated Alex than Haley! Also, there is still time for her to get back to a career after her children get bigger, not everything has to be shown on screen -- we were shown she is capable! And being a "kickass career woman" is not the only way you can have a successful and fulfilled life -- for some people, yes, but that never seemed to be a priority or a strong personal value for Haley. I think she was just feeling pressured into being excellent in something to prove she's not dumb, which she is clearly not.
I thought Haley has grown so much and that she's become an amazing person, while Alex and Luke didn't get as much growth. Luke did, somewhat, but Alex, personality wise, didn't develop beyond her teenage years. She didn't learn anything about relationships and is continuing to only prioritise work over everything else, which results in her lacking depth as a character and kind of boring to watch, which made me sad, as I related a lot to Alex in earlier season, I was a similar kid. The only way the show did Haley her dirty, imo, is that they didn't make other characters acknowledge how much she has grown and what a cool person she is and has become, and apologised for constantly making her feel dumb throughout the years, which undoubtedly led to a lot of emotional scarring for her.
I HATED THAT SHE ENDED UP WITH DYLAN.. After she stood up for herself with her boss I thought, she is going to be okay. Then she met Andy and that was hot, and they put her with effing DYLAN!!! UGH...🤦🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
I hope you can explore Alex's story as well. Kind of sad how Haley had exactly Claire's story, even if her and Dylan will probably end up as happy as Claire and Phil in the future. But Alex.. She was always only "the smart one" but dates nerdy teenagers as an adult, had an initially-secret man-child lover and she literally threw away a 'dream' job with great pay and ended up with Haley's ex (ew) and left for a 'lousy' job.
No way??? Is that how it ends?? Wtf. So glad I stopped watching now, I’d definitely like an exploration of Alex - the therapy episode was very telling too.
I think a lot of people forget that Alex had a very obvious crush on Arwin first, he was her professor, she was working up the courage to tell him when Haley found and their relationship started. After that Alex went through a string of weird relationships, so its even worse than him just being her sister's ex. He was the only one we ever met on Alex's level, probably made her feel less alone like she admitted in the episode she had a breakdown. But she would had to watch them be together and honestly who wants to put themselves through that
I think Modern Family had a real weak spot with the kid characters in general. All the adults were given rich and complex layers that showcased how they were more than their original stereotypes. It never felt like they developed the kids the same way, especially Haley. With the exception of some minor growth through adulting, Haley didn't really feel like she changed that much at all at the end of the show. It was such a missed opportunity that she didn't end up with Andy, in my opinion, mainly because I think he pushed her to grow the most. He was sweet, secure, and didn't take any of her crap. I think she really needs someone like that in her life to force her out of her immaturity.
I believe that Hailey is Claire. They always compare them and Hailey is a modern day version of her mother. Plus, there was a whole episode where Hailey was debating not going back to work. In the episode she went back to that goop like job that she loved. No, she didn’t do these great extraordinary things, but her character had growth. Ultimately, I feel her character was to show that you don’t have to take traditional paths to do the things you want. You can learn through living (kind of how Luke did). Could they have done better, yes. However, I think the writers were dedicated to creating her as Claire and Dylan as Phil in their own way.
In the last season, Haley could've reconnected with Andy and Dylan could've played a more important role in her life as a friend and co-parent to the twins. She didn't have to get married in order to have an arc. In one of the episodes, Haley mentioned feeling like she was a giant failure, in my opinion, the writers could've used that emotion in order to make Haley something. The ending I have for Haley is that she reconnected with Andy, had Dylan's kids, became a designer or heck she could've started working for Prichett's closets (just for the family legacy and a nod to becoming as impactful as her mom Claire) and moved out with the twins while dating andy and co-parenting with Dylan. She deserved a wholesome ending, especially after the roller coaster journey her character has been through.
Haley was a bad person. She cheated multiple times on Dylan, lied constantly for personal gain, and was generally mean or demeaning to everyone. The reason her ventures fail is because it's shown she never puts consistent effort into anything. I think she didn't get a 'fairy tale ending' because she didn't deserve one.
they do do Hayley dirty it's such a shame
You nailed it in this video! Whenever I am a little scared to enter a room full of new people or people, o barely know, I pretend to be Haley for 10 minutes or so. Because she definitely has skills that are important, that not everyone always has. I think that would be acknowledged as well, as other skills!
I think it's very reminiscent of real life that Haley's plans don't turn out the way she intended, or that she couldn't unlock her full potential due to her accidental pregnancy - but in the end, she still managed to create a life full of love and laughter for herself. I wouldn't say that her choice to keep the baby and marry Dylan ruined her arc, her life just went a different way than perhaps the viewers expected. Her choice to lead her life that way doesn't need to be dismissed and disrespected in order to recognize that she was a smart and talented woman who could have had a great career as a single woman, but simply chose not to.
If the show ran 10 more years, I'm sure we'd see Haley being successful with both parenthood and being a career woman. I can easily see her getting back into her career when the kids are a little older and being great at it. Her character was still young and had plenty of time to do both, it's just that the show ended when her kids are not even a year old.
@@happychaosofthenorth absolutely! her life took its own course and she just didn't get to rush into everything she wanted to do. but she was young and had lots of time ahead of her to catch up, as well as an incredibly loving and supportive partner. I don't feel like that means the writers failed her character.
I feel like they addressed why this didn't work in the video. The problem was the show didn't care and arbitrarily regressed her character several times because they refused to build upon what they established with Hailey. Her plans didn't work out because the writer didn't care about them. In fact they didn't "not workout" because we never actual saw them fail. They just faded into the background with no explanation, never to be brought up again. It would have been great to see Hailey actually struggle with her career and potential and then see her come into her own as a mother.
Also I think Alex should have gotten the knocked up storyline. That would have been more interesting to explore.
I thought she'd end up with Andy.
My preferred list was :
1. Andy
2 . Dylan
3. Rainer
4. Irwin. ( didn't like it at all)
But Dylan was a good guy to be with at the end. He values her. He understands her and supports her as an equal partner. I think moving to Paris would be great for them, maybe.
When he said I'll keep working to get better untill I deserve you❤
Haley. I love her. I think she's going to do great. God, I need a sequel.
This is one of the final bosses all those RUclips shorts of Modern Family leads too.
I disagree that the show let Hailey down because real life people go through a life story like her via the same choices.
I wouldn't dismiss or disrespect those people either. Or say their parents or teachers failed them.
The issue wasn´t that Andy left; it was that they literally gave up on her after he left. She was on a good path. After they kicked her out of college, she started her fashion blog and got a job working for a famous stylist, and her biggest goal was to be a stylist. It was a slow trip but I could see her taking over her boss´ job. But somehow the writers thought that because Andy helped her in some of the process everything needed to go back to the start when he left.
They deleted her character development, sending her back to a meaningless and empty job with not-so-dumb Dylan.
This. I was so sad when Haley and Andy broke up I created a family of them in my Sims 3 game.
not to be rude or anything, but the ending of modern family was really disappointing. rather than the ending tying all of the stories in nice way, it felt extremely rushed.
The ending was completely disrespectful to Luke.
@@zachryder3150 hope you don’t mind me asking, I stopped watching after season 6. What did they do to Luke?
@@firewind3509 Search "Alex and Hayley pull a final prank on Luke" it explains everything.
@@zachryder3150 I just watched it but I don’t get what’s so bad?
@@firewind3509 He's still treated like the idiotic joke of the family.
ooh! Do this for Britta in Community!
I think the show also made Hailey the way they did was because realistically in a family that big with about 18 characters, it's almost impossible to show every one of them to be successful and have a great life, sadly enough some people will just be average or have a relatively unsuccessful career/ life, due to the storylines given to everyone else, the most suitable candidates for such a life had to be either Luke or Hailey, and they chose Hailey instead of Luke, which makes more sense to me as if they would've done this with Luke the audience might have been more annoyed as Luke was more of a lovable character than Hailey, often Hailey was manipulative and unkind to people who loved her and Luke wasn't so she was the best candidate for this !!
shes like the fan favourite behind phil what are you talking about
I've only seen a handful of episodes so I don't know the whole story of the show. That said, She kind of reminds me of Dewey from Malcolm in the middle. He's musically gifted, but also socially smart. He could manipulate people pretty easily, including the smart kid, Malcolm. I feel like when shows promote the smart kid as being the "better" one, it's in an attempt to take the focus away from what has been typically the socially and maybe culturally celebrated popular kid(s). Many TV shows will have a contrasting character to emphasize how much better the story-focused character is.
For instance, when you look at Ted from How I met your mother, you realize what a creep he is, but throw Barney in there, and Ted looks decent by comparison. So you throw the "pretty", "dumb" character into the mix to help emphasize the smart character's intelligence, setting the bar so low for one character, makes the other character look that much better at their "gift" or what makes them special. For Malcolm, Reese is that character, and in a similar fashion, they made him good at cooking, but they rarely used that "gift" for anything and they certainly didn't use it as a jumping-off point for his own story arch.
Also, individuals changing their carbon footprint will have little effect on the planet considering the majority of pollution is created by big companies that are given a free pass to do whatever they want because the political will in this world is weak against money hoarders.
It is true. Society often overlooks different realms of intelligence. That is reflected in our movies/television.
I never understood why they made her drop out out of college. But that’s just me who values a good education
I think it was because the actress had a lot of trouble filming her scenes due to her health, and since a long time had passed since the important event in her story line, the public forgot and had to start over.
Was her role written predominantly by men?
Sure seems like it.
Men rarely realize the pretty girl can also be intelligent, not to mention deeper than the average puddle
I kept being disappointed that Haley showed so many talents and it never paid off. Sometimes it felt like she was plain bullied in her own house. Any job she got she basically did good if not great
Yeah the writers never where very
" modern " . The perspective of the youth on this show is what a old white person thinks of a skater .
I just think it’s a cop out for shows to simply rely on some stereotypical bs. Why not allow a character grow and reach his/her full potential?
I think the creators started with the Kelly Bundy character trope (my daughter is beautiful but dumb as a post) and wasted an arc of growth that could have been so much more.
Have you covered about “the chosen one” tropes and seeing whether it’s outdated or overrated
Edit: Reminds me when the creator of Ladybug and Cat Noir failed or didn’t want to make Chloe to have a redemption arc (maybe she’ll get it, if she finally sees after everything’s that happening or the creator making it happen)
She and Alex deserved so much better it breaks my heart
I'd like to think Modern Family fans ultimately understood and appreciated Haley better than the writers, which is pretty sad.
Haley deserved Andy and Andy deserved Haley. But to be fair Haley never really tried to be better in school I’m not saying she’s dumb but lazy that she couldn’t get her butt to learn how to get better academic grades.
To be fair though
Alex is my favorite character
More videos on Modern Family pls
Andy was perfect for her❤ it sucks that Adam DEVINE(😂😂) had a pretty busy schedule
What if you’re socially and academically smart? You can be both
They should've recast Andy.
Andy is actually my favorite character 😭😭
Do you think that her real life health challenges may have affected her role in the series?
Success isn't defined solely career-wise. Having children and a supportive family doesn't mean she's a failure. Being a SAHM while your children are small doesn't mean your life ends. Like Clair she could have always focus on her career after the children are older
They actually confirmed she’s not dumb, there was a “joke” near the end of the show when she was eating a bunch due to pregnancy cravings and she was suddenly super smart, they said that she only seemed dumb because she was starving herself from a young age which… she’s also super business and socially smart. I find it weird they made Halley her mom when she was younger pregnant young and early to a goof ball dummy that at least in of her parents dislikes, it’s weird like we’re they trying to say all kids are their parents? They actively show Clair trying to make sure Haley didn’t turn into her which she ended up doing, I have mixed emotions.
I wish Adam didn’t have to leave the show for other schedules so she could’ve ended up with Andy
I think this take fails to take into account the overall arc of the series and how Hayley plays the biggest part in it. Hayley and Alex mirror Mitchell and claire. Jay makes several references to this calling Dylan new phil as such by the last episode we know Hayley will be a successful businesswoman because claire is the ceo of the year. She is beginning the same arc again of taking a career break and then going on to smash it. This is the overall arc of the series though it might not be shown it is implied.
Thank god someone finally said it: yes, Haley and Dylan should NOT have ended up together. Nor do I think Haley should have had the twins. And I’m not just saying this because I think Haley should have ended up with Andy. But, of course I do, because her relationship with Andy was much more compelling and mature. And if Adam Devine had been able to stay, then I think they probably would have had Haley and Andy end up together.
But, honestly, maybe they should have had her not end up with anyone by series end. I honestly would have preferred that over pigeonholing her into a life of forced motherhood before she was ready.
And on that note, it really does seem odd that a show that billed itself as espousing modern, contemporary family values never had Haley, a woman in her 20s, meaningfully consider what many 21st century women in their 20s consider when in that situation. And yes, I’m talking about terminating the pregnancy. Wouldn’t it be so refreshing to have a portrayal of abortion on mainstream television that DOESN’T demonize it or make it out to be the worst thing in the world? One can’t help but think that we’d be in a better place in terms of reproductive rights in this country if more mainstream TV didn’t talk about abortion as it was a dirty secret.
Okay. Sorry. I didn’t intend for this to become a referendum on reproductive rights in America.
SINCE ALEX DIED OF A CHEMICAL SPILL AT THE SCIENCE LAB AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SWITZERLAND GENAVA ON APRIL 23 2022 SATURDAY 24 YEARS OLD.
haley reminds me of francis of malcom in the middle. both the oldest kid and trouble maker, writes try to make them change for good but kept going back and forth.
Analyze more characters of this series!!
IN 2023 HALEY WOODSEN FINALLY GRADUATED LA BUSINESS COLLEGE AND GOT A DIMOPULA AFTER 14 YEARS AND NO HALEY BAILEY BOO DR. DYLAN WOODSEN YAY YES.
STOP PUT DOWN HALEY & DE. DYLAN WOODSEN PLEASE AND THEY'LL OKAY.
I’m happy to see this video bc it’s exactly why I stopped watching. I love how badass Haley is and she was majorly let down.
I have to disagree with Dylan is not a good partner for Hayley. Sure Andy would’ve been a better fit, but Dylan shows in several occasion that he loves Hayley for Hayley.
One example is Dylan admits that he better himself so he’ll deserve Hayley. He always seen Hayley as this beautiful smart kick ass girl.
It bothered me more than I care to admit, when she got back with Dylan.
Same!
The older I have gotten, the more I have come to see my initial rejection of Hayley was because she represents aspects of my shadow, the parts of me I have rejected from a younger age because I always thought they were not important but in reality will get you further in life. Knowing how to conduct yourself in social spaces and make everyone feel accommodated while still taking yourself into account is the stuff of life.
TBH they *did* kind of show that Alex's drive had a toll on her, and she had to begin therapy because of the pressure. I absolutely could relate to that. But I wish they continued to show that Alex continued to go to therapy (instead of just in that one episode), and show that Hailey continued with her business work and be successful in that way. Even Luke gets a job, and settles down, but they did not even really translate what one could argue to be neurodiversity as a child into his adult life.
Love the vid, and can we please address in a video how Alex has been wronged as a character by the characters and the writing team
NOW MRS. HALEY WOODSEN (DAKOTA JOHNSON) AND HER FAMILY OF WOODSENS DUE TO FARRAH MARSHALL MARRIED TO MR. THOMAS "TOM" WOODSEN (MADLYN SWEETEEN & TOM VERICA) ARE ALL STILL IN LOS ANGELES, CA. USA.
Wait I just watched an episode in season 11 where Haley mentions recruiting people for NERP her job, doesn’t that mean she’s still working and a mom? I mean NERP is not the ideal job but she’s working, people forget that she’s a working mom not a stay at home mom in the last season. It probably could be due to them not showing her at work anymore in the final season but she references working still.
Just finished binge watching all 11 seasons and had to put my 2 cents in.
I kinda agree how they (the writers) screwed up Haley's Arc AND Alex's Arc too. And yeah, I lean towards the "Haley-Andy" rather than "Haley-Dylan" pairing solely because the screen chemistry between Sarah and Adam was just on-point. It reminded me of a goofier "Ross-Rachel" type of fling. It really did enhance both Haley and Andy's characters' story progressions, until they shot the whole thing down. I'll never understand how the writers "couldn't find the funny anymore" between them. She was also better at her Fashion/Stylist job and her brief Photography stint, rather than ending up being a "Senior NERP rep." I mean sure, the "Photog phase" was probably written out coz Manny is the "Artistic kid" of the Family, but atleast the career in fashion made Haley's character more interesting and fits better than the whole NERP thing.
As for Alex, I'll never understand someone turning down a high-paying science corpo job for way less pay sooo abruptly. She was set for life working for Halo in NY....instead, she ends up going to Switzerland with Haley's last BF leftover, Arwin, with yet another "research plot device" about AI-tech or whatevertheheck Arwin was spewing on about. And the way the writers broke her and Fireman Bill up was stupid, like really: the "oh no, I thought you got my nudies on your phone" misunderstanding that led to Bill being "sensitive" and shit finding out on a Valentines date is quite harsh...and lazily written. Admit it: it should've been Bill at that finish line together with Alex.
And then, there's Luke. Good thing he got into a college, I guess? Sigh.
Alex belittles her sister because she always bullies her and all the bullies in her school are also basically Haley!
I didn't like this one. I think this just shows how devalued motherhood is compared to career. Motherhood in early adulthood is seen as disappointment and failure.
It was one of the few things I had an issue with when I finished Modern Family. It just felt like a missed opportunity. She had so much potential and so many skills, and the summation of her ending just felt lackluster.
haley should get her own spinoff show where she navigates the world as a newly divorced single mom and comes back to the fashion world.
put a pin in this comment because i think you could actually have just predicted the future lol
Haley will always be my favorite and if anyone should get a spin off, it's her.
Sounds like they did to Haley what they did to Trixie, from Fairly Oddparents. Only difference, besides being a cartoon, is that Haley is a main character.
what's really dumb, is that earlier in the show Dylan and Haley were shown to have natural god like parenting skills! Then when they finally have a kid they follow some stupid book.
Hakey is a complicated character which I think the show writers were not will to invest in. Ironically a show like Modern Family had the long term opportunity to lay the foundations of Haley to succeed, fail and grow. I think it was just easier to make Haley be stereotypical rather then make effort to create a living character.
I really wanted to ending with Andy because she was ready to change with him anddd then they got rid of him within an episode
I disagree with the whole Dylan thing. Sure, he's not the best boyfriend she could have, but for me it's very realistic. Most TV shows, specially sitcoms, usually give a "perfect (idealized) ending" to their characters, but Modern Family didn't do that (for the most part). They kept it real. For me Haley "could" have had a perfect life with a really great job (a few, actually, as we've been reminded on this video) and a "perfect" boyfriend and have a perfect house before turning 30. But she chose her first love because it felt right for her (as a character), and she had a less perfect ending (ended a little bit like Claire when she got pregnant I guess) but realistic and not idealized. I like that a lot. I've grown tired of the many shows and movies where they show how the characters can "overcome everything" if they "try hard enough" when life just isn't like that. Even if it's just a sitcom, I like happy but more grounded and realistic endings. Just like 2 Broke Girls for example, even if they got cancelled, they stayed broke for the entire show. This "American dream" that they still try to sell even on those Netflix shows just isn't real. Broke people, hardworking people who can barely handle life, and people who try to move up but still stay on the same place do exist.
if it was a real Modern Family she should have been a single mom by the end of the 1st season and shown what that is like
I was glad Haley & Dillon ended up together .. Despite both being ditzy .. They both tried & were both likeable .. Unlike the teen Darlene Connors who was a downer grunge throughout .. Haley & Dillon did not reach the top of the heap .. But they were nice people who became very real together .. Like 99% of us .. TgT
Glad to see it wasn't just me who hated who the writers failed Haley
to me haley was the most painful to watch. i watched this show when i was a teenager, haley was totally opposite to me but i felt deeply related to her. every time the show ridiculed haley it felt like they were ridiculing me for not being 100 percent perfect. like there is no better life for women like her. she is such an old stereotype, i could not believe she could exist in this era. i was hoping for them to slowly break it and show us something new. i always thought alex would be the one who will take a heterosexual role, be a mother and have it all in both sides. and Haley go to a more queer route.
I'm one minute in and...Haley should have ended up with Andy
I honestly was so disappointed when Haley didn't end up with Andy