Experts believe entire Palos Verdes Peninsula may be at risk after recent landslide
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2023
- Jasmine Viel reports from Rolling Hills Estates, where experts are now expressing concern over the entire Palos Verdes Peninsula after the recent landslide, which completely destroyed a dozen homes and has placed many more at risk.
That man is getting upset saying _"there should have been more warning."_ Of course, blame someone else but he bought a house built on the side of a giant ravine!
I had the same reaction. Gotta have someone to blame rather than not using good common sense to buy or build a house in a precarious spot. PV Peninsula has been sliding for years1
He probably didn’t pay extra money for right home insurance coverage.
For many many years there has been plenty of warning. The home buyers just didn't pay attention to it.
Most of the ones that went were built in the 1970's...so they have been there for decades? It isn't as thought they were JUST built? Personally I would never build on the side of a hill! Or a flood plain. Insurance companies are saying most of these people will not be covered? Imagine your life savings gone in a few days? Heartbreaking.
Angry man upset that someone else should have warned them? Man. You bought the place without doing your own research of the area? It’s on you.
Are you telling me if you build a building on a cliff it may slide off? Unbelievable
Yeah
Just like declopers in the carolinas build in swamps and news homes get totally demolished in tropical storms and huricaines
They already declared an "emergency" to free up federal and state funds to help them out.
This is what happens when developers are more hungry for profits than ethics. They never should have been granted permits to build there. Bet there was corruption at city office as well
@@nottheone582So who's to blame? The city
Thats what I’m thinking. Seems like the home owners should have done their due diligence
I'm from CA, and I have always thought as a kid that it's stupid to build homes on hills like this.
I'm from IA, and we have he same kind of clueless people. They just can't seem to understand why their houses get flooded when they built on a floodplain. They are called river bottoms for a reason.
Whenever I'm in the passenger's seat, I always marvel at the guy that just has to be in front of everyone else, on stilts, just hanging in mid-air, way over the edge. Amazing. And in California.
On top of y’all dealing with earthquakes often. :/
I always got a kick of the homes built on stilts on Coldwater Canyon in Los Angeles.
@@RSTI191 Yea, me too! Hanging off the cliff. What amazes me, is that you don't hear of them falling down. Well, not yet, anyways.
I grew up in Southern California and it's been well known for many, many years how dicey and unstable these areas are. Why they allowed all these neighborhoods to be built up is beyond me.
I suspect $$$$$$$$$$$ has a lot to do with it.
Developers are the greediest MFers on Earth.
I bet there insurance is cheaper than mine in Florida!
These are established communities. Rolling Hills Estates has been there for almost 70 years.
Every time it rains, cities in the hills always end up slipping lol shout out to all the Mexicans working for these wealthy people trying to save their home
Why were developers allowed to build there in the first place?
Money! kinda obvious
The answer will always be "money"
Rich narcissists control everything. Well, that is, until things go wrong. Then, you have people like that pompous Yen yahoo blaming others on his decision to reside on a particular plot of land. 🙄
Sadly, because lots of money is passed under the tables.
big tax dollars on view homes.
People who lived in Palo Verde 50 years ago told me that the big disadvantage is that the land is unstable. It's not like this was unknown. It's not 'fixable'.
Uh, Palo Verde is in Riverside County, north of El Centro. NO Palos Verdes resident would confuse the two.
@@johnskelton5683 Lol!! How will he do that Moot?? It is ground movement! He control weather now does he!???? I mean...he WAS going to nuke a hurricane!! OH...AND rake forests!! At least he gave the Prime Minster of Finland a laugh!😯😯🎃🎃
@@Jeanne90275 Thanks for that corrective information. I'm not from SoCal, however, played ⛳ golf at the Trump International in Palos Verdes a lot and just love the course, Palos Verdes also, a truly beautiful place to see!
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Omg!! I never thought I’d see my geology professor from ten years ago on the news. Funny enough, I took “natural disasters” with him and we took a field trip to Portuguese Point to observe the massive risks related to land movement.
Did you use that knowledge to tell the powers that be NOT TO BUILD ON THE EDGE OF A SOFT DIRT CLIFF??? You could have been a hero.
@@kbrewski1 hilarious! The terrible part of it all is that they’ve been told for decades that this area is prone to land slides and WILL collapse. Granted, one of the most gorgeous places in the US but how arrogant of us to think that we can control a moving cliff.
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I was never a student at CSULB, but I DID recognize the professor's name when the reporter said it. I used to know a couple of the geoprofessors there, many long years ago.
You do realize, correct?, that since you took that course you will not be able to claim ignorance should a clear and present geologic hazard do damage to your home. If you try to sue anybody over it, the judge will look at you sternly and tell you: "I see from your college transcript you took Dr. Onderdonk's class. You knew better than to buy that house. NEXT CASE!!"
In 1960, my parents were house hunting and looked at a home on Palos Verdes. I remember the view of being surrounded by nothing but ocean. It was beyond breathtaking. I was like "Dad! Get this house!" My dad said, "I'm not going to pay $23,000 for a house!"
What site r u on? This is bout collapse of homes.
That is too funny!
Was living there in 1966 with a view of Marine Land down below...great location on the terraced hill, beautiful
@@wokewokerman5280 Oh, how I miss Marineland! Went there in 1989, I think, and it had a closed sign. I was devastated. I still have my Bubbles the Whale book.
@@terriclark4255 It was on a flat, pretty solid looking lot for the location. The house was a 50s all brick with one and 1/2 bath, one car garage and three bedrooms. It was pink and black inside. That was uptown back then.
I lived in the South Bay area where Palos Verdes peninsula is located. I worked and played in Palos Verdes and Rolling Hills for many years. I dated a woman that lived in Palos Verdes Estates. Her pool was cracked in some locations. The lands up there are always moving. Portugese Bend has experienced landslides for many decades. It's an extremely beautiful place to live with views of the Pacific Ocean in some locations. But, i always wondered why building permits were issued in many places on the peninsula and why buyers of these homes were so damn naive. Do your homework, people.
Because $$$
Permits are issued because developers have money and politicians have big pockets.
If i only had a brain..
Greed! Money that they'll never recover.
Rolling Hills? That says it already. Buy only at Steady Hills 🙏👍
Sorry to ALL affected. They do call them "rolling hills" for a reason! Its a geological process and doesn't stop for home owners.
but i bought a home there..
maybe, but they'll collect insurance, the guy across the street is screwed.....
If they even have insurance that covers that.
Imagine, it'll roll off into the pacific ocean after an earthquake 😮🌊that's if the tsunami doesn't get it 1st.
Rich people problems& this one is beyond silly (house on rolling hills) Ask SKIDROW HOMELESS of this issue. 😮
@@celiaferreira2028 I asked them, they said it's a crack issue....
We have the same sort of issue on the Jersey shore. People built in flood prone areas near the ocean, and are then shocked when a hurricane floods everything and wipes out their homes...
And us poors then have to bail them out via disaster relief… meanwhile the rich hate school bond measures and parcel taxes!
Well you have to have flood insurance if you’re in a flood zone, and also most homes need to be raised about 20 feet.
@@noobie1890 Correct, but more and more companies won't even cover you then. They just don't want to deal with it I guess.
Anyone who has driven around Portuguese bend knows the road area that is constantly moving. Its POSTED as 5MPH in some areas because of road buckling and shifting. That's been going on for decades. Nice views of Catalina on a clear day but very risky to build a property on.
The Palos Verdes fault line runs directly underneath the Palos Verdes Peninsula, and though mostly underwater, it sits under places like Rancho Palos Verdes, Rolling Hills Estates and the Long Beach and Los Angeles Harbors. The nearly 70 mile line stretches from Dana Point to the Santa Monica Bay.
@@michaelhaidee Yep and now it's up to the rest of the state to bail them out.
So true,I lost my home on Mt Pinatubo.
Well That makes a massive-
" Ge-Shnuh ! " Time Frame Doesn't it !
WOW...! That's Very Informative !
Seriously ! Thank you...
rolling hills estates- hmm hw much more warning do you need
Experts have been saying this long before the landslide. ''This may have been preventable'' Yeah it's called choosing not to live somewhere that people have been saying for over two decades will have very active plate tectonic movement.
Nothing to do with plate tectonics. It's about unstable soils.
Serves the wealthy shits right for not listening.
But the view was to die for. Right?
@@frequentlycynical642 How about both?
@@mytwocents848 - If there was movement of a plate it woud have been accompanied by an earthquake. When a large quake occurs though, the current problem will look minor in comparison regarding land slides.
The blame goes to the city officials who gave permits to build on this land. A lot of palms were greased to make this happen. Geologists are on record warning of this since the 1950s. That's why most of the development in this area didn't happen til the 80's, when city and county officials finally were greased enough by land developers. This same thing has happened all over Florida, where most of the development is on swamp land. That's why there are so many canals and man-made lakes designed to control the water from swallowing back your house. The most dangerous of this development is on the coast where skyscrapers are built to the edge of the ocean. One day they may come down by erosion.
1980's Reagan deregulation mind set. If only Republicans would remember regulations are there to protect people this country might move forward again.
As the old carney used to say: "Youse pays yer money and youse takes yer chances".
Building on steep hillsides, in flood plains, on earthquake faults, or below dams is not a good plan for uninterrupted bliss.
Those poor rich people may have to move into their Palm Springs condos until they get this sorted out...
🎯 they caused it.
I can smell your pathological envy...and your inability to empathize is like a giant stamp across your forehead that reads, "I"M A NARCISSIST".
I bet you're a compassionate conservative.
Us poor people didn't have the option to build on a hill. But we definitely laugh and express outrage looking up at Hawaii's cliffs defiled and cut and made more dangerous by rich housing. And there's every reason to blame their cars for the climate change. I often wonder why we poor people never have an urge to remove the middle class and the comfort class from our environment.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The locals are all aware that RPV is built on unstable ground. There is even one road, "Portugese Bend" that has signs posted reminding drivers the ground there is in constant motion and not to stop their cars. The road itself is very bumpy and uneven, and utility pipes are laid above ground because they can't be buried in that soil. This is not new news to the local residents. It's a risk they took but they were not uninformed.
Yes, been that way for year. I grew up around that area in the early 80's. I'm just surprised that this hasn't happened sooner. Too bad!😟💔
I remember in the late 60’s (I was very young) riding by bike along PV Dr. South & the road was very unstable at that time. Clearly the road showed signs of a LOT of movement.
We would stop and look out into the ocean and you could see this brown cloud in the water, which was part of the eroding hillside, hitting the water.
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That's funny. You were looking at giant kelp beds. Some of us spent our time skindiving and spearfishing, and know what that is.
@@brianmclaughlin4419 I know what kelp beds are, this was brown silt that began from the shore & fanned out about 50 yards at the most.
My parents told me about the collapse back in the early '60s in Rolling Hils and Palos Verdes. This has been an ongoing issue for over half a century, yet they continue to build in that area. At some point, you cannot be stupid anymore..
Nothing lasts forever, the land is always changing 😊
especially ca..fires remove vegation then rains cause flooding, erosion..
Same with the climate.
I hope you lose you home and someone tells you the world is always changing 😊
Yes, just like the climate.
Along with the Climate for the last 4.5 billion years..
Hilltop homes are wonderful, but I chose not to purchase one in another area because I was afraid of earthquake damage or total destruction of a home perched on a hill. And with increased rainfall and atmospheric rivers these hills will slide more often. It is part of the geological and weathering processes.
"And with increased rainfall and atmospheric rivers .. " I follow long-term weather/climate prognosis and it seems the current El Niño will bring many, warm (Pineapple Express) storms to CA .. in particular to bottom half. If I lived on Palo Verde I would keep an eye out from Oct/Nov to Mar. 24.
Also has always been prone to serious wildfires. I grew up in PV Estates in the 50s and 60'. We had to evacuate due to fires racing up those hills and canyons several times.
Same reason im nervous about houses on stilts.
We once went house shopping in that area. One day we stopped at a listed unit. I got out of the car and looked over the gate at the side of the house. I felt like I was looking straight down the ravine at little roofs far below. I got a little dizzy. - We live in flat ol’ Torrance, now.
Big Rock in Malibu, the bluffs in Pacific Palisades, Bluebird Canyon in Laguna Beach are some of the other coastal LA areas that have been moving for many decades. Everyone knows it, but people repeatedly build, then every time something like this happens everyone acts shocked and the homeowners look for someone to blame besides themselves.
if you're a local who's lived there for awhile, you're gonna know, but people who are new to the area won't have any idea. And will the realtors tell them? Some will, some won't because they wanna make a sale.
@@HenryChangDesign Flood zones, land movement zones etc. are in the disclosures document the buyer must sign. People rarely read what they’re signing.
My friend is a geologist, and she says that developers never read the reports about the findings of whatever area they are trying to build on.. that’s terrifying!!
These idiot Californians believe humans caused CLIMATE CHANGE in the small amount of time humans existed on the planet but ignore the fact that the earths land by oceans have been shifting for centuries
Of course they never read them. They saw $$$ and nothing else.
That's profit motive
Yeeeks!
Or read them and disregarded. Greed.
The people who built those homes knew exactly what they were doing. They built those homes on a foundation they knew was temporary. And they are slip/sliding away.
Willful ignorance is the most likely cause. You can hire a geotech guy to tell you whatever you want to hear
How would they know ?
@@markme4 Because...landslides only happen to OTHER people...
These idiot Californians believe humans caused CLIMATE CHANGE in the small amount of time humans existed on the planet but ignore the fact that the earths land by oceans have been shifting for centuries
wasn’t there a song called “slip, sliding away?”. Oh yeah, “the more you’re near your destination, the more you’re slip, sliding away”. In this case, the destination is: to be near the ocean, away from the rabble, complete security and tranquility, beautiful sunsets…
I haven't lived there for 40 years it was sliding then, and it will continue to now and forever.
I have a friend and her family that live there! Pray they’re safe!!🙏🏻❤️
Good grief…warnings everywhere to drivers, hikers and bikers…but developers built houses on unstable ground…and people shocked when it does exactly what it was stated it could do. I got nothing…
Yes area has always been moving. I can see small rocks and dirt always coming off from the hills as I am driving through in the area and there are signs everywhere stating it. Why builders are allowed to build houses in all that area??? And why people keep buying homes there regardless???
The same reason why houses are built and lived in on coastal regions in hurricane prone regions. Beautiful views and disaster might never happen.
Why? They rake in high taxes.
Greed!
Horse blinkers. Some wear them their whole life.
I lived in L.A. for 60 years, and have seen many of these erosion episodes, and people lose their homes. No one thinks to check on the geological status BEFORE they put all their money into them.
People do do research before hand. Just not these people who bought these houses.
I lived very close to this until quite recently (the beach). The earth is ALWAYS moving there.
Who would've thought living on the edge of a canyon could be problematic?
A canyon in sand dunes.
With EROSION.
@@yourewelcome192 Over Watering on Porous Limestone Bluffs - (Sinkhole "City", like Florida). Incidentally, Donald Trump has a Golf Course up there - (Just saying *)
@@Heterogeneity Frail Limestone
@@johntrojan9653 Ooo you're right! They do water a lot. Wow, hadn't thought about that! THAT, most assuredly contributed to THE EROSION. It's true, with ground like that, you want to be VERY CAREFUL. And driving your car up on the driveway... they didn't stand a chance.
Working in heavy construction for thirty years building subdivisions in sandy areas was always sketchy. Unless it was in a level area where the grounds could be compacted well.
But on a sandy hillside is rolling the dice every time.
Not to mention the extra work removing extra product.
We built pools in Tijunga that we'd need to put 2×4s down for ribbing to hold up the form!
Some of the lengths were up to 6ft long...just to hold up bender board 🤷⁉️
The rock in Palos Verdes soil is soft and I could crumble it by hand as a child in the 70s. Everyone who ever drove the coast through the Portuguese Bend area knew decades ago that the ground was unstable up there. It absolutely AMAZES me the way County Supervisors fast tracked public emergency assistance for rich people living in a gated private community.
1955 Toronto hit with Hurricane Hazel and significant flooding, damage etc. (look it up) to communities along shore of Lake Ontario and Humber River Basin. Government response was to map the floodplain and turn all those waterfront areas into parks. Big win for citizens as we now have these beautiful areas for cycling, picnics, parks etc.
The builders and the city made tons of money. Even if the owners knew they were on unstable ground that would not have stopped them from buying for the view.
They thought their money was more powerful than Mother Nature.
They’re in for another rude awakening with their insurance companies, too. Insurers out there have a built in clause saying they don’t cover damage caused by shifting earth. They know what they’re doing. It’s a mountain on top of an earthquake fault line for chrissake.
Hope the view was worth it ya greedy, dumb, arrogant fuhx.
These people literally lived in a place called Rolling Hills and they're shocked that this happened?!? Still, prayers going out to all those affected.
I mean I thought it is a common sense not to build houses on the mountain. Many countries dont do that. I've been wondering looking at those houses on the hills for years. Hollywood hills around laurel canyon etc. they even got some of the houses destroyed by mudslide for past 10 years or so. California is part of the ring of fire, and we have earthquakes often and recent mudslide, landslide, all predictable just like that huge sign 2:19
What will these poor people do? 😮
The City of Rolling Hills is named after the area topography.
@@GeriMars You mean it's not a reference to the hills themselves rolling downhill?
"These people literally lived in a place called Rolling Hills and they're shocked ..."
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Homeowners assume that the developers are aware of the geology and have concluded that it is safe to build. That's naive, to say the least. But homeowners themselves are not geologists. The real villain here are the developers who see undeveloped land as a chance to make lots of $$$. Developers and their capitalist mentality don't give a damn about people.
For decades, I have thought the entire PV Peninsula is not a good place to own a home due to ongoing soil movement. I feel bad for the people who lost their homes, but I find it shocking that they were not previously concerned about the unstable soil throughout the peninsula.
The beauty of these places drive people to want to live there. However due to unstable soil and geologic conditions, there are some places that people should avoid building homes. My heart goes out to the people losing everything.
Don't feel sorry for wilful planned idiocy.
@@kbrewski1 before I even noticed your name, my response to you was, go get yourself another beer so you can enjoy sitting on the front porch, looking at all those broken down cars in your driveway. Have a nice day.
Lack of due diligence and critical thinking skills does not make me or anyone else financially liable to cover another’s losses. My insurance increases every time a policy is paid out for properties purchased in dangerous areas and now these foolish folks want my tax dollars, too? The whole concept of insurance is unsustainable in the long term.
This has been happening for years. The road that goes from San Pedro thru Palos Verdes has been shifting
YES! My buddy lived in PV Estates....even back then there were pipes/conduits carrying water and power lines along portions of that roadway....still there, today!
Yes, I drove that road a few days ago. They actually have signage warning drivers, motorcyclists, and bicyclists that the road is dangerous due to the subsiding ground beneath it. I was really uncomfortable driving on that road and I think anyone who has experienced it would be in denial to think having a house in that area is a good idea. That said, the view is spectacular and the homes are gorgeous. I'm guessing Pompei's residents enjoyed similar opulence.
@@DavidSmith-fj6fx the signs are up because of foolish drivers thinking they can drive through at fast speeds, not because the roads are going to cave in.
@@justbeachy2031 Thanks for the reply. I agree that fools make everything worse for the rest of us.
It’s all about greed. That land should never have been developed.
Greed on BOTH sides, the SELLERS should have been required to explain that the peninsula is unstable, and the BUYER must be willing to take the chance. And from the County Taxman, of course.🙄
What?! It's perfect land for the developers! Buy high risk land at low prices, and build 'luxury living' McMansions on it for maximum profit. Lather rinse repeat.
@@GungaLaGungaThe American dream.
@@elainemartinez2021 Yep. "The American dream. Because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin
They have always had to make repairs on Palos Verdes Drive at the south side of the Peninsula near Portuguese Bend due to landslides. It was constant back in the 1970s when I lived there.
My aunt lived in RPV in the 70’s and 80’s. She sold her home, because the ground kept moving and damaging her house. This is not new.
She had to disclose or it's a perfect lawsuit.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 who said she didn’t disclose? I have no idea one way or the other, but don’t worry, she passed away a long time ago.
They shouldn't have been allowed to build there. Was there no environmental studies done 1st???
It was a trash dump prior to development. No environmental studies required.
It's Cali, so who knows. In my part of the country environmental studies are required only if there needs to be a federal permit of some sort.
@@reensure It's a joke but, it really was a trash dump prior to development.
It used to be illegal to build up there, for obvious reasons.
When the Big one hits, many homes will be damaged. The entire CA sits next to the San Andreas fault line so all Californians need to move to another State away from the main fault line!!! Are you in CA?
Growing up nearby, I would Mountain bike with friends around those hills when it was open fields. I recall though the hills looked rugged, however some areas were soft and dangerous because you could find yourself in a sinkhole while riding through. This is probably what happened after many years later the ground gave way, and of course the recent rains didn't help.
A house just down the street on Hawthorne lost their backyard about 15 years ago. I grew up here and yes you can tell where the ground is softer and less stable.
Wow good to know this. This will end up in the ocean when the big one hits. Or when it's time....yikes 😮just like the movies showing the floor collapsing.
Almost 20 years ago, I used to jog through subdivisions and public areas to reach the Pacific coast in the south side of the peninsula. I remember (countless of times) how I could see new cracks forming week after week in the summer on Palos Verdes Blvd, some of them requiring shutting down traffic for the road crews to fix the problem. I also remember a lot for sale on a hill nearby Del Cerro park that literally “vanished” after a heavy rain (due to the landslide that followed). And some folks still pay millions for a house that may not last the next rainy season…
I remember houses sliding into Elliot Bay in Seattle after heavy snowfall and rain in 1996. Homeowners in the area sued Seattle/King County to build their homes in areas that were deemed too unstable, yet after the storms and homes slid over the fact they ( property owners) were allowed to build them.
It looks like those hills are not made of rock but rather clay deposits. Developers just see open land, though, without much consideration to the consistency of the ground they build on.
They build those homes on quick sand. Yikes!
They also have diatome layers, which is like chalk - very slippery.
Geologists can probably establish where we ought to be, but people aren't likely to accept the word "no" if they have enough money to build there. They tell us "no" when we beg for sustainable lives.
That's exactly the mentality of the developer's! All they care about is the money.
Blame the city for handing out the permits. They knew.
As a building contractor for 35 years, I can tell you that this is what happens when your local building department is either inept or getting kick backs from developers. It is not that difficult to determine if the ground your building on is stable or not. It’s not difficult but it can be an expensive process, so it doesn’t get done. Potential homeowners with no construction experience or knowledge should do their own research or pay out of pocket to hire independent experts and engineers. These people did not do that and now have been defrauded by their building department.
This area is beautiful but dangerous and is prone to landslides. That has been known for decades. Gradually builders and buyers were allowed to override common sense. Glad that no one died.
Reminds me of HS running up around Shantree Flats in the Azusa area . We loved it as there was always a breeze while runing cross country. Of course, developers sucked local govt. into allowing the building of housing there. BUT that breeze also brings Santa Ana winds, and burns the housing down. !! Every Grade 10 kid knew you don't build there!
but stable today in future it is not
I've hiked in this exact area before. It is breathtakingly beautiful but eerie at the same time. There are these big water pipes along the trail that are kind of like an accordion that try to adjust with the land movement.
I lived on the Peninsula 60 years ago. They had already changed the location of the major road around the area because of landslides. That was because of a horizontal clay layer that turned into mud if it got wet. We used to hike up and down the cliffs and bluffs. The rock will crumble in your hand. It's layers of soft sediments that aren't consolidated. Despite all that, it was a great place to grow up and run around like you were in the country. If you buy a home there, make sure it's on a flat area.
My Dad lived out there in early 1970s. We walked the cliffs a lot and saw the war bunkers. Very wild, not much around at that time.
Hong kong same soils.they wire meshed and gunnited and created concrets pathways for water.. Ive seen it and they get way more rain.. like 16 inches in 20 minutes no damage.. they prepared for it.. yes i lived thru that rain..
Are any of these homes insured? I can't imagine an insurer even covering this.
Portuguese Bend flat area was the worst. if you can predict where it will slump next, you are working for God, cause God only knows.
Sure but the guy up on the hill collapsing on your flat area not helping.
To be greedy for best view in LA, it'll cost you Everything (life, property, destruction of others properties/life). Then they want pity afterwards....make this make sense people 😮
"someone dropped the ball" yes, you did when you bought the home.
Right tell these durps
Blame game
Do you understand that he was talking about the timeframe of warning the residents to get out ? Of course you don't .
@@mizzury54how would you know? You didn’t see the same video we did?
We lived in RPV and one thing that was concerning is how many homes were built before the stronger earthquake guidelines. It is beautiful though, our views were amazing. Note, when she is showing the sign about land movement that pipe infrastructure behind her is ABOVE ground because it moves so much there.
I grew up in Southern California and experienced and saw lots of movement.
Seismic activity has increased incredibly and a mega quake could turn Palos Verdes into one of the Channel Islands.
all you have to do is, take a ride to near by San Pedro's Point Ferman and take a look at Sunken City. that should tell you that the area has a history of erosion and landslides.
Pretty good indication not to build there. I'm sure building contracts included clauses regarding erosion, saturation, and possible land/soil risks.
It's a certainty that the insurance contracts expressly mention this as excluded from coverage.
Pretty much all of coastal California has been known for ages to be "geologically active." It takes little more than a glance at a map of fault lines in the Los Angeles area, and a terrain map, to see that the Palos Verdes peninsula is on a kind of shelf. Last year a study from Harvard said the fault had far greater potential to be the focus of a large magnitude earthquake than formerly known. That is new but scarcely surprising information. Earth movement has been common on this peninsula for a long time. My guess is that it is sliding into the sea, and there's not a blessed thing that can stop it or even appreciably delay it.
My understanding is that ordinary homeowner's casualty insurance doesn't cover damage from earth movement. Even earthquake insurance won't cover this. IMHO, that's how it should be. Building on land that is primed to slide should not be insurable.
That’s not where humans are supposed to build things and live permanently. It’s where we should go camping and let nature be beautiful !!! It’s sliding into the ocean a little bit every year. This year the rain made it worse.
Yeah, the Native Americans knew where to live, but we got rid of them.
@@ighdesigns that’s not true ! They have casinos all over the state of California and throughout the United States. We The People of America today didn’t do anything to them. It’s the people of the past that are responsible for what they did to Native Americans, Afro Americans, Mexican Americans and Japanese Americans. They were evil and greedy 🤬 self centered 🤬. But with the grace of God. We have a beautiful country. Now we need to start working together peacefully
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@@ighdesigns native americans still exist, give them their land back. You can start with your house
I didn’t say they don’t exist, but they didn’t live in places that got flooded or crumbled underneath them. They knew the land.@@therealvlad505
So many things that can be said... so many things wrong!!! But when she said the HOA is working on locating a GEOLOGISTS, I died 😂
Same!!
I know! I thought a bunch of mean old Karens trying to boss scientists around.
My heart goes out to the people who have lost their homes. Heartbreaking!
This actually could happen... anywhere on Earth.
I remember years ago when I rode around the exclusive residential areas near Cold Water Canyon near Burbank, and the first things I noticed were the many palatial estates built on cliffsides, propped up or supported merely by the dubious placement of stilts.
I wondered about the supposed integrity of the local geological terrain in the event of an inevitable and devastating mud slide, as well as the apparently astronomical degree of credibility or gift of gab, on the part of unscrupulous real estate agents, while dealing with inexperienced or gullible clients, who like nothing so much as to being separating from their money, solely on the enthusiastic recommendation of respected friends or family!
Look at these rich people saying it "could have been preventable". Just looking to sue someone for the risk they took buying there.
Yep.
Nature really showing the rich who’s boss these last few weeks… good
Hello the name says it all...”Rolling Hills”
Sending love from Florida. Just spent time in CA. Beautiful state.
If you have lived her long enough, you'll remember in the movie Lethal Weapon 2 they 'pulled' a house down. Well it was a house in Rolling Hills that had been condemned, and they got permission to film them pulling it down. That was 1988/89. Rolling Hills has had movement problems for years. Some people never learn.
It’s insane to live perched in such a vulnerable place.
What do people expect ? Buying or building on a hill like that not the brightest crayons in the box.
It's called "Dumb as Hell". Plus! They aren't covered by insurance due to it was done by "nature".
It's your business. Everyone for himself. It's what I expected from a privatized "country*" or from a group of owners. Rolling hills? Let them roll with it.
Rich narcissists build where they wish and dive in submarines which are glued together. What a shame. Intelligence is RARELY a byproduct of inherited wealth.
Wait until the San Andreas Fault starts to vibrate.
It was 100 % preventable, They did not have to move there.
This is the most intelligent thing said in this entire post thread!!! You sound more intelligent than the reporters, government. 😅❤
I left Rancho Palos Verdes in 1990. Homes were still out if reach to buy. We left So Cal and never looked back. I do still miss the atmosphere of living in an affluent area but that's how life goes.
Where is this
What's worse is no insurance coverage for landslides. A total loss for these homeowners
There is, it's an added expense.
Correct, but you can buy coverage. I imagine there are some owners who did not buy additional coverage
Wouldnt the providers just claim 'mother nature' clause and not cover anything?
@@kilbournInsurance companies don't sell "caused by nature" policies. They're shit out of luck
they can afford it
That whole area has been having issues ever since before I was born.
The families trusted those who assured them the land was safe. I truly feel sorry for those who lost their homes and the things they valued. Thankfully, they didn't lose their lives.
It was safe at the time,and it changed..
As many others have noted, this stuff is NOT NEW. At least as far back as the 1950s there was evidence this area was UNSTABLE. Homeowner that asked who was responsible for the damage should look in the mirror. Building/buying homes in high risk historically unstable areas, or ANY other steep hillside or beachfront cliffside home, should not expect a bailout. High risk homesite - that's on YOUR dime. Documentary WAY BACK explained the US agency in charge, told people in historical flood zones on the mid/lower Mississipi to relocate up on the bluffs or they were on their own. Hate to see anyone lose their home, but the risks were obvious.
Paradise has a price.
My uncles house in ElCajon was not compacted well enough, it began to show signs...he sued and won! He now lives on Mt Helix, and no problem there!
After any heavy rainy season in southern California this happens. Last year the cliffs in san clemente caved in. Its a naturally recurring event.
Now that headline is somewhat misleading. Although some parts of the peninsula are prone to slides, it's a stretch to say that the entire peninsula is at risk. This area is no more likely to have landslides than Palisades, Malibu and many other neighborhoods sitting on hilly land along the coast. The Portuguese Bend area is an exception, but that is a small part of PV.
The nerve of that guy saying that something should have been done and he feels they were overlooked in the past. Friggin humans have an endless GALL or whatever ya want to call it.....idiocy!!!!!!!!
...you're trying to keep the value in this area up, aren't you? On paper, Rolling Hills gave no indication that it was in a landslide prone area, and yet several houses have been lost now.
Yes, Portuguese Bend is a slightly new adventure everytime I drive it. Love that drive, too...beautiful vistas.
You only say this because you live there and probably own property there too
I agree. There were 2 homes in my neighborhood in a suburb of Los Angeles that slid off a 15 foot hill. The area has a few small hills, but nothing even remotely close to what Palos Verdes has and the homes still slid. I’m sure the flatter area of PV are much more stable than these cliff side areas. It will be interesting to see what the geologist has to say.
Why wasn't there a soils report done by a structural engineer firm??
why would they wanna pay?
The city should have required one. Or, sinking foundation stabilizers far enough down.
It amazes me that people would buy a home without confirming the structural integrity of the ground it's built on. It's equally ridiculous if homebuilders aren't required to conduct such surveys and disclose the findings.
I'm from Los Angeles, and I remember serious concerns going back to at least the 1970s about where politicians were allowing developers to build.
I don't think this loss is even covered by homeowners insurance.
I used to do homeowners insurance claims, and I thought it's a geological problem immediately. I don't think it's a water/rain problem.
Always hire a geologist to survey the property before you buy. Universities have geologists.
These homeowners are going to spend the next 10-15 years in a lawsuit.
I'm really glad for those residents that many of them got to enjoy those drop-dead, stunningly gorgeous vistas from PV for as long as they did. The entire California coastline is gorgeous, but those vistas from Palos Verdes, especially with all the beautiful Mediterranean architecture and red clay shingles, are definitely in the top 10.
I wish the best for these residents. If I could afford to live there, I would've chosen to live there, as well. Absolutely stunningly beautiful area, and one of the most tranquil in the South Bay.
I hope, at the very least, they are able to retrieve their most treasured belongings that can never be replaced.
Apparently mother nature didn't like where they put their beautiful shacks.
Before the city gets to them first.
@@nancymorrison9978 Well, the first time I visited PV as a tourist, before moving there, was 1990. So, if one presumes your absurd anthropomorphization was true, "mother nature" sure took her sweet time showing disapproval.
Wayfarer's Chapel has been there since 1949/50 and the plans were in place for it to be built in the 1920/30s, much delayed due to the Great Depression and WWII.
Perhaps "mother nature" had more pressing issues.
...and I can smell your pathological envy through your desperate need to try and belittle and diminish these gorgeous homes to "shacks". LOL Your parents really broke you so badly you have been forever trapped in the early childhood stage of narcissistic development, huh?
Go take out your irreparable issues on those people who broke you instead of walking around the word trying to punish others.
Sadly if you are one of those people with more money than brains, the money can't buy more brains.
@@ronskancke1489 Not even common sense, apparently.
This is beyond ridiculous! Why was building ever permitted on land like this?
Let them build where they want and pay the price. Do insurance companies cover this place?
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Why would you fill cracks on a Cliff face??
The crqcks opened up because it's sliding downwards! Filling the cracks is adding more mass on the top of the sliding slope!!! Are they trying to make it slide faster?
It is hard to believe that thaw home builders and regulators didn’t know this land was unsuitable for buildings
Jeez, build in a flood plain or on a shifty hillside and poop may happen.
A friend who grew up there said that this is very old news and something that's been happening forever.
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The community couldn't have a more appropriate name--"Rolling Hills" is perfect!
I used to pick up my daughter from a family that lived in a house on top of a hill in San Jose -- who had picked her up from a Scout meeting.
The entire area was designated a "seismic activity study area.'
The road up to the top was in a continual, slow-but-measurable LANDSLIDE!
Neither insurance rate-payers nor taxpayers should have to bail out people who take that risk.
Insurance companies don’t pay for sucidie. Why pay for those houses ? Let them go after the builder.
They knew they shouldn’t build there and they did anyway because they knew how much money people would pay to live there
And the dopes that bought the houses are so arrogant and vain that they put "having an ocean view for a few years" over having a house that would last until old age.
If I'm driving into an area to look at a home to purchase, and there are signs on the road leading in that warn of constant land movement, I'm turning around and not bothering to look...
C'MON! People who buy in the hills are aware of possible or future landslides or liquefaction. The only people who dropped the ball are the buyers who didn't do their due diligence to hire the proper inspector to conduct soil testing to determine if the property is worth buying.
All around PV the oil pipes have extensions so when the soil moves they don’t split apart, and the roads have repairs from the cracks due to ground movement. I’m suprized this issue has not happened more. But the views from these homes along PV are fantastic.
As they slide down the cliff, wave by
They knew that landslides were an issue, but the view... Lucky no one was killed.
Yeah, how’s the view from the bottom of a sink hole?
This kind of thing has been coming for a long time. There are so many folks that have built homes on cliffs and hillsides all over the place. It's no surprise, and it's probably going to increase as time continues. Time to join us poor folks in the valley folks.
Yes, they were built in the 1970s. I can't believe it took this long.
We live on a giant bowl of molten soup that has formed into a ball instead of spilling all over the place because it exists in a vacuum and reached a certain density. The surface of that soup has cooled and congealed into a thin, unstable, frequently wet crust. It's been that way long enough, not only has bacteria started to grow in the wet areas, it's also started to evolve and expand across the rest of the crust. That anything survives at all is incredible.
The sun is acting up, Yellowstone is quaking
This is exactly what I've been predicting, in fact I think the area between LA and San Diego is at risk of submerging when the Big One hits.
And that earth is coming soon. Yellowstone is acting up.
How did Mr Yen expect anyone to predict the landslide?
He probably expects socialist politicos to have rules in place for just such an event.
Well I guess they are busy doing other rules and regs.
@@ericscottstevens ; Did you see RE developers running to the County Board yelling "Please regulate me!" No, you didn't. They actively fought for freedom from oversight and this is the result. BTW; they're long gone.
@ericscottstevens yes how dare we have rules in place to not allow a contractor to build a house on unstable land? Why would that be a bad thing? Do you seriously expect every potential homeowner to be an environmental engineer with the ability to test the land themselves? No? So wouldn't it make sense to have people who are experts in the field to weigh in?
It's Repiglicans telling everybody else how to live their lives.
Everyone should have expected it. Homes on the edge of a mountain might just slide down someday 🤔🧐
Odd the builders were allowed to build there.
Careful - I keep thinking in what could be the reson$$$$$.
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The San Clemente landslip that knocked out passenger train service between Oceanside and San Juan Capistrano followed after a very rainy winter. But it has been dry in SoCal for over a month.