Great video Jude! As you can imagine, I love the versatility of a multi grind knife. I’ve been meaning to get me a William Collins for years, think I’m overdue to try one out
Thank you sir!! You’re knife is fantastic. I definitely want another as a backup. Haha! If you need a WC recommendation, let me know. I’ve messed around with 5 different ones so far. 😉
I love my Snake Eater. I'm so glad you dived in: it's really a fantastic blade and I like to see people get turned onto it. I love my kansbol too. Makes me think I should dive in on the Blackbird.
I knew I had to jump in eventually, haha! And yes. Get a Blackbird! I'm amazed at it's balance and feel despite being a "big" knife according to my definition.
I EDC an Eldris, and i love how this little edge with his big handle works for hours without tiring or hot spots, also very easy and quick to get sharp again. I also got a kansbol, but i don't use it. Eldris is all i need, and easy carry all time in my pocket.
A pretty thorough exploration on grinds and their application. Plus, an introduction to more knife makers. My thoughts come from the sharpening aspect. Do not sharpen the entire edge of the multi-grind blade or you will turn your Scandi grind into a saber grind. The saber/flat grind is sharpened as usual. The Scandi needs contact with the entire bevel while sharpening; otherwise, you will create a second micro bevel--which defeats the purpose (strength) of a Scandi. Hence, I sharpen the two grinds separately. I have found that not much sharpening is needed on the Scandi, as its purpose is different, and fine slicing is reserved more for the saber grind--as you pointed out. Note that a Scandi with a secondary bevel can be very sharp in my experience. Just some thoughts to consider.
I really appreciate the support and your comment! I keep hearing from the makers of these knives that despite the multi-grind, the angle of the cutting edge is consistent whether it's scandi, flat, saber, etc. so if you sharpen the entire bevel of the scandi, you'll also hit the correct angle for the flat or saber. Again, that's just what I'm hearing. Once I've used them enough to need to sharpen, I'll have a better feel for what you're talking about! Thanks again for the support, my friend!!
They are both phenomenal knives! You should definitely get one. If you like a knife that is heavy duty but can also handle finer tasks, this one is excellent!
I love multrigrinds, WC does them great and so does Mora on the kansbol. I haven't tried the snake eater yet but from everything I've seen it looks like it's done right
While I wouldn’t call myself a “Bushcrafter”, I enjoy getting far from anything by multiple means from Jeep’s, bikes and/or backpacks. I explore rivers and high mountain lakes mostly while camping, fishing etc.. My blade work is primarily fire, camp and food related. My years of doing this and experimenting with knives has led me to prefer a .15 to .2” zero ground sabrevex in the 5”ish” inch plus range as a belt knife if I’m only carrying one blade.
That's a great carrying system! Having a dedicated knife for a task is always more efficient. I think multi-grind shines when people want to carry just one knife, but they like the dual purpose aspects of them.
Oh wow! That's a lot of great steel! I'm really happy with his work so far, and even though I only have 2 currently, I'm definitely hoping to add more in the future!
@@SurvivoTek I've got Paul Walker making the knives for my Bushcraft courses, it's included in the price, you get a 5 inch blade made from 5160, fire kit, basic first aid kit, then I spend the weekend teaching them how to use things properly, this year is going to be great
Love your black bird. I got one of the second run blackbirds. With the 6 way stitched gear outfitters sheath. I find it's too heavy. Need a lighter sheath
That's awesome! The Tops Tracker has always been an interesting looking blade to me, but I'm a little intimidated by it. I generally prefer a smaller more traditional blade, which is why these multi grinds are forcing me out of my comfort zone. Thanks for the comment!
Like many others my sharpening skills make the multigrinds intermediating. I usually prefer to bring something with a really thin edge as a food prepper like a opinel. Never will notice the extra weight and will handle whatever small prep I'll have camp side. As always love the video!
Thank you for the comment! I totally see the benefit of having a dedicated food knife, especially something small like the opinel. What's your go-to sharpening method?
Now that makes good CommonCents! I'm a single grind multi knife kind a guy. Rather have the use of my entire edge for the grind I choose. I recommend the same concerning scandi grind for working wood... just get a Mora and you will see why a scandi works!
Haha! I see what you did there. "CommonCents." Scandi just makes woodworking so easy, and the thinner the scandi the better. I can't work with anything over an 1/8" in a scandi.
You don’t catch me without at least four blades anyways. And I like a hollow grind for food and skinning. A flat grind for most tasks. Saber grind for chopping. And Scandi for woodworking. Edge geometry and overall blade profile also play a game. Although recently I have been loving my Mora elderss.
Do the four blades include folders/multitools? Cause I think I probably have 3-4 when I go out if I count those. I agree 100%! The edge and shape determine the performance more so than just the grind. I've had Scandis that struggled with woodworking cause the geometry was off.
@@SurvivoTek Actually all four of those are folders. Cold steel SR1 Tonto, Ultimate hunter re-profiled, Finn wolf Scandi and Recon1. And that does not include my SAK’s (camper on the keys and tinker in the smoke pouch) or my Leatherman Serge. And that’s not even covering my LT wright or recon scout/SRK or my Eldress. But the four folders and the three multi tools or my EDC. I work construction.
Another great video Jude! Have to test out that scandi first for a proper feedback. Back I guess around camp, backpacking when weight it's an issue is nice to have one single knife that can perform in different areas 👍
Hey man! Thank you! And yeah, check out your WC Woodsman! It's really a great knife! And that NitroV rocks! I think you're 100% right. At camp, having multiple knives for different tasks is no problem, but when weight is a concern, the multi-grind would come in handy!
I like the multi grinds. The Snake Eater is a great camp knife. It's one of my favorites along with the Kansbol. A good hollow grind will do it all too though. I'd put a Buck 105 against a multi grind any day.
I've never had good experiences with hollow grinds personally, but I maybe haven't used them for their intended purpose. I really appreciate your comment, sir!
Great video Jude 🙂 Man you must be having a great time with all those knives! I would take my blackbird every time if it wasn’t so big. I love that knife. I almost never take it though because I hate the sheath hitting the dirt when I kneel. I like doing Bushcraft stuff a lot. If I had to choose one grind it would always be a scandi. I would even take a companion over a kansbol.
Thanks, Joe! I wish I had more time. Every week, it feels like I'm playing with a different knife. Haha! You need to use a "beater" sheath that can get all scratched up for kneeling at the camp.
Thanks so much! And I'm starting to really see the benefits of carrying multi-grind for a camp knife. I think I'll stick with full scandi for my dedicated bushcraft knife, though.
Here’s my take. As you’re skill using knives increases your need for gimmicky features such as multi grinds or tracker style knives is reduced. Most saber ground/flat ground knives are just too thick behind the edge and have an obtuse edge angle making them bad for carving. If the knife is ground properly and the right steel and HT is selected a convex, or saber with a secondary will out perform scandi all day long.
Haha! Yeah, it's definitely a debate topic. I go back and forth. Some multigrinds are annoying, others work really well. Also depends on what I feel like using. Thanks for the comment, my friend!
Don't forget, that you can tweek almost any knife, to perform better on wood. Feathersticks for example, depend a lot on a supersharp edge, the sharper, the better! Slight convexing, will add too, because otherwise, the scandi edge for example, bites the wood deeper than it should, not allowing you, to create consistent thin feathers. Full Flat grinds and I hate to say, but hollow grinds, properly sharpened, can perform decently working on wood. Many people ,think their knives are sharp enough, or that the factory edge bevel, is perfect for any cutting task, but that's usually if not always, wrong! We can make our knives both work and perform a lot better. As for sabers, they usualy do not perform as good as other grinds on wood, because most factories, make really poor blade and edge geometries, on saber flat grind knives. (too thick behind the edge and big main bevel angles) If you go for a saber grind, blade, the only maker that comes into my mind, making that grind properly, is the Survive knives GSO. I really love that kind of videos you upload lately!! Keep it up!
So true! I do fall into the trap of compartmentalizing grinds - scandi for wood, saber for camp, flat for food. But you're 100% right. Any good knife well-made should be able to get the job done! Thanks so much for the support, my friend!
I'd like to see the snake eater compared to the greenriver fish knife. The greenriver is $20. I wanna see what difference $180 dollars gives me ,not just it holds a edge longer. I wanna see it. I say this because youtube used to do that. Now all I see is buy this. Personally I carry at least 3 knives in the woods, sometimes even more if I'm fishing and what time of year it is. I just see these grinds as gimmicks. I mostly use a convex grind. I was taught years ago in wilderness survival and it was reinforced in survival school in the military SERE. It's not a matter of what knife you carry its knowing how to use what you have on you. I never leave home without a good lockback. Even if I have a fixed blade. The more you know the less you need.
I appreciate the comment. I used to feel the same exact way until I decided to try one for myself. I still use primarily the standard grinds, but every once in a while, I go for the multi-grind. It's just so versatile.
He was 100% inspired by that kansbol as well as the green river. But he definitely admits it. I think the main benefit is superior construction from a gifted craftsman as well as the obvious full tang, AEB-L, etc. And that's worth it to me, but that's just my opinion. ;)
@@SurvivoTek 🤣 your opinion is valued my friend 100% that Green River is such an American piece of history just awesome and cheap!! I do really like the look of his knife blade and micarta handles just handsome 😍 great job jamming out new content btw brother keep it coming!!😁✊🔥✌️💚
Great video Jude! As you can imagine, I love the versatility of a multi grind knife. I’ve been meaning to get me a William Collins for years, think I’m overdue to try one out
Thank you sir!! You’re knife is fantastic. I definitely want another as a backup. Haha! If you need a WC recommendation, let me know. I’ve messed around with 5 different ones so far. 😉
You’re awesome James. And I found this guy because he was testing your knife.
Scandi fixed knife + opinel stainless steel for food prep. Best for me ever.
I love my Snake Eater. I'm so glad you dived in: it's really a fantastic blade and I like to see people get turned onto it. I love my kansbol too. Makes me think I should dive in on the Blackbird.
I knew I had to jump in eventually, haha! And yes. Get a Blackbird! I'm amazed at it's balance and feel despite being a "big" knife according to my definition.
I EDC an Eldris, and i love how this little edge with his big handle works for hours without tiring or hot spots, also very easy and quick to get sharp again. I also got a kansbol, but i don't use it. Eldris is all i need, and easy carry all time in my pocket.
The Kansbol is pretty much mandatory gear for me on any hike or camping trip.
Agreed. Either the Kansbol or the HighQ always ride as a backup in my pack or my truck.
@@SurvivoTek Lots of utility, almost no weight.
A pretty thorough exploration on grinds and their application. Plus, an introduction to more knife makers. My thoughts come from the sharpening aspect. Do not sharpen the entire edge of the multi-grind blade or you will turn your Scandi grind into a saber grind. The saber/flat grind is sharpened as usual. The Scandi needs contact with the entire bevel while sharpening; otherwise, you will create a second micro bevel--which defeats the purpose (strength) of a Scandi. Hence, I sharpen the two grinds separately.
I have found that not much sharpening is needed on the Scandi, as its purpose is different, and fine slicing is reserved more for the saber grind--as you pointed out. Note that a Scandi with a secondary bevel can be very sharp in my experience. Just some thoughts to consider.
I really appreciate the support and your comment! I keep hearing from the makers of these knives that despite the multi-grind, the angle of the cutting edge is consistent whether it's scandi, flat, saber, etc. so if you sharpen the entire bevel of the scandi, you'll also hit the correct angle for the flat or saber. Again, that's just what I'm hearing. Once I've used them enough to need to sharpen, I'll have a better feel for what you're talking about! Thanks again for the support, my friend!!
"You're carrying 2 knives!" As he puts away the 6th knife he's carrying
Hahaha! I mean, who in their right mind would carry more than 2 knives??
Love the wc and the snake eater . Got to save up for the wc black bird. looks like a great belt knife
They are both phenomenal knives! You should definitely get one. If you like a knife that is heavy duty but can also handle finer tasks, this one is excellent!
why am i only seeing this now? Great topic!
I love multrigrinds, WC does them great and so does Mora on the kansbol. I haven't tried the snake eater yet but from everything I've seen it looks like it's done right
Hey man! You gotta get a Snake Eater now and try it for yourself! You honestly won't regret it!
It's been looking like a winner!
While I wouldn’t call myself a “Bushcrafter”, I enjoy getting far from anything by multiple means from Jeep’s, bikes and/or backpacks. I explore rivers and high mountain lakes mostly while camping, fishing etc.. My blade work is primarily fire, camp and food related. My years of doing this and experimenting with knives has led me to prefer a .15 to .2” zero ground sabrevex in the 5”ish” inch plus range as a belt knife if I’m only carrying one blade.
Mostly I carry a 4 to 5” primary knife. A light filet or food prep blade and a large preferably convex 9”ish” inch blade or hatchet.
WC knives, like the Blackbird in this video, are within the .15-.2" angle. This gives them very sharp slicing ability. I have been impressed with them
That's a great carrying system! Having a dedicated knife for a task is always more efficient. I think multi-grind shines when people want to carry just one knife, but they like the dual purpose aspects of them.
Ι was just holding the Kansbol in my hands, thinking of adding it to my bag out bag as a backup knife, when your video poped in my notifications!
Haha! The irony is so great! And that's generally where I keep this Kansbol. It's an incredible backup.
Great video. Really loving this series!
And crazy timing. I ordered a Snake Eater earlier today
Haha! Oh the irony! I love it! Thanks for the support, brother!
I've got 13 William Collins knives, they're perfect for every situation, if it's not my Collins blade, I'm using my Paul Walker custom 5 inch blade
Oh wow! That's a lot of great steel! I'm really happy with his work so far, and even though I only have 2 currently, I'm definitely hoping to add more in the future!
@@SurvivoTek I've got Paul Walker making the knives for my Bushcraft courses, it's included in the price, you get a 5 inch blade made from 5160, fire kit, basic first aid kit, then I spend the weekend teaching them how to use things properly, this year is going to be great
Awesome vid as always 👌🏼
Thanks, brother! You're awesome!
Love your black bird. I got one of the second run blackbirds. With the 6 way stitched gear outfitters sheath. I find it's too heavy. Need a lighter sheath
That's what I've heard about those 6-way sheaths. They're bombproof but quite a bit to carry around. Does Randy have smaller or lighter versions?
Nice video. I have the tracker from Tops. Also multi grind. After changing the edges it became quite good. Carving and chopping.
That's awesome! The Tops Tracker has always been an interesting looking blade to me, but I'm a little intimidated by it. I generally prefer a smaller more traditional blade, which is why these multi grinds are forcing me out of my comfort zone. Thanks for the comment!
Like many others my sharpening skills make the multigrinds intermediating. I usually prefer to bring something with a really thin edge as a food prepper like a opinel. Never will notice the extra weight and will handle whatever small prep I'll have camp side. As always love the video!
Thank you for the comment! I totally see the benefit of having a dedicated food knife, especially something small like the opinel. What's your go-to sharpening method?
3m wet/ dry paper on float glass. Going to be buying some chosera stones soon to up grade but they have served there purpose pretty well so far.
Now that makes good CommonCents! I'm a single grind multi knife kind a guy. Rather have the use of my entire edge for the grind I choose. I recommend the same concerning scandi grind for working wood... just get a Mora and you will see why a scandi works!
Haha! I see what you did there. "CommonCents." Scandi just makes woodworking so easy, and the thinner the scandi the better. I can't work with anything over an 1/8" in a scandi.
@@SurvivoTek Same here.
You don’t catch me without at least four blades anyways. And I like a hollow grind for food and skinning. A flat grind for most tasks. Saber grind for chopping. And Scandi for woodworking. Edge geometry and overall blade profile also play a game. Although recently I have been loving my Mora elderss.
Do the four blades include folders/multitools? Cause I think I probably have 3-4 when I go out if I count those. I agree 100%! The edge and shape determine the performance more so than just the grind. I've had Scandis that struggled with woodworking cause the geometry was off.
@@SurvivoTek Actually all four of those are folders. Cold steel SR1 Tonto, Ultimate hunter re-profiled, Finn wolf Scandi and Recon1. And that does not include my SAK’s (camper on the keys and tinker in the smoke pouch) or my Leatherman Serge. And that’s not even covering my LT wright or recon scout/SRK or my Eldress. But the four folders and the three multi tools or my EDC. I work construction.
Another great video Jude! Have to test out that scandi first for a proper feedback. Back I guess around camp, backpacking when weight it's an issue is nice to have one single knife that can perform in different areas 👍
Hey man! Thank you! And yeah, check out your WC Woodsman! It's really a great knife! And that NitroV rocks! I think you're 100% right. At camp, having multiple knives for different tasks is no problem, but when weight is a concern, the multi-grind would come in handy!
Cool video. But you forgot the biggest benefit of carrying more than one knife. The fact that you’re carrying more than one knife! ☺️
Hahahaha! Too true! I mean, who in the knife community only carries one knife??
Nothing like a Mora!
So true!
Love your style brother😉! Got to love those multi grind knives, you know I do👊🔪🔪🔪
The man himself!! You knocked it out of the park with this knife! I absolutely love it and can't wait to get more dirt time with it!
Such a cool looking knife. Very nice!
Thank you! And I really love the look of a good multi-grind knife!
I like the multi grinds. The Snake Eater is a great camp knife. It's one of my favorites along with the Kansbol. A good hollow grind will do it all too though. I'd put a Buck 105 against a multi grind any day.
I've never had good experiences with hollow grinds personally, but I maybe haven't used them for their intended purpose. I really appreciate your comment, sir!
Great video Jude 🙂 Man you must be having a great time with all those knives! I would take my blackbird every time if it wasn’t so big. I love that knife. I almost never take it though because I hate the sheath hitting the dirt when I kneel. I like doing Bushcraft stuff a lot. If I had to choose one grind it would always be a scandi. I would even take a companion over a kansbol.
Thanks, Joe! I wish I had more time. Every week, it feels like I'm playing with a different knife. Haha! You need to use a "beater" sheath that can get all scratched up for kneeling at the camp.
I like multi grind for general purpose out in the woods. Plus I must agree a scandi all the way for carving... Great video buddy
Thanks so much! And I'm starting to really see the benefits of carrying multi-grind for a camp knife. I think I'll stick with full scandi for my dedicated bushcraft knife, though.
@@SurvivoTek Best of both worlds..I Definitely understand you.. How's the snake eater ..I have WC but no snake eater.. just wondering..
@@antoniosantiago2770 So far, I'm really liking it! It's light and functional. I still want more dirt time with it before I really recommend it.
that Snake Eater tho...!!!
I know... I know.... it's niiiice.... ;)
We miss you Jude. Please come back. :)
Those knives are definitely great, but I thought; why not carry a scandi on the belt and an opinel in the pocket.
Here’s my take. As you’re skill using knives increases your need for gimmicky features such as multi grinds or tracker style knives is reduced. Most saber ground/flat ground knives are just too thick behind the edge and have an obtuse edge angle making them bad for carving. If the knife is ground properly and the right steel and HT is selected a convex, or saber with a secondary will out perform scandi all day long.
Seems a bit unnecessary, a good Saber grind does all I need it to. We're venturing into the weeds a bit but hey, I get it, I love knives also
Haha! Yeah, it's definitely a debate topic. I go back and forth. Some multigrinds are annoying, others work really well. Also depends on what I feel like using. Thanks for the comment, my friend!
Don't forget, that you can tweek almost any knife, to perform better on wood. Feathersticks for example, depend a lot on a supersharp edge, the sharper, the better! Slight convexing, will add too, because otherwise, the scandi edge for example, bites the wood deeper than it should, not allowing you, to create consistent thin feathers.
Full Flat grinds and I hate to say, but hollow grinds, properly sharpened, can perform decently working on wood. Many people ,think their knives are sharp enough, or that the factory edge bevel, is perfect for any cutting task, but that's usually if not always, wrong! We can make our knives both work and perform a lot better.
As for sabers, they usualy do not perform as good as other grinds on wood, because most factories, make really poor blade and edge geometries, on saber flat grind knives. (too thick behind the edge and big main bevel angles) If you go for a saber grind, blade, the only maker that comes into my mind, making that grind properly, is the Survive knives GSO.
I really love that kind of videos you upload lately!! Keep it up!
So true! I do fall into the trap of compartmentalizing grinds - scandi for wood, saber for camp, flat for food. But you're 100% right. Any good knife well-made should be able to get the job done! Thanks so much for the support, my friend!
I'd like to see the snake eater compared to the greenriver fish knife. The greenriver is $20. I wanna see what difference $180 dollars gives me ,not just it holds a edge longer. I wanna see it.
I say this because youtube used to do that. Now all I see is buy this.
Personally I carry at least 3 knives in the woods, sometimes even more if I'm fishing and what time of year it is.
I just see these grinds as gimmicks. I mostly use a convex grind.
I was taught years ago in wilderness survival and it was reinforced in survival school in the military SERE.
It's not a matter of what knife you carry its knowing how to use what you have on you.
I never leave home without a good lockback. Even if I have a fixed blade.
The more you know the less you need.
What brand are your fingerless gloves?
These are Outdoor Research merino wool gloves. I highly recommend them!
Love his design but I hate multi grinds
I appreciate the comment. I used to feel the same exact way until I decided to try one for myself. I still use primarily the standard grinds, but every once in a while, I go for the multi-grind. It's just so versatile.
That mora is a perfect example how James junkyard fox copied the design it's a nice knife, but a blatant copy IMO!!(=
He was 100% inspired by that kansbol as well as the green river. But he definitely admits it. I think the main benefit is superior construction from a gifted craftsman as well as the obvious full tang, AEB-L, etc. And that's worth it to me, but that's just my opinion. ;)
@@SurvivoTek 🤣 your opinion is valued my friend 100% that Green River is such an American piece of history just awesome and cheap!! I do really like the look of his knife blade and micarta handles just handsome 😍 great job jamming out new content btw brother keep it coming!!😁✊🔥✌️💚